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(Some Guy)   News: Wii U players reporting the console bricking itself within one day of use. Fail: It only happens when you yank the plug out of the wall during a firmware update   (aussie-gamer.com) divider line 144
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2012-11-21 08:15:53 PM

neuroflare: It does it on my i5 dual core as well. It's not an AMD issue, it's a Bethesda issue.


Then apply the 2 line core affinity fix, you putz.

If it doesn't resolve the issue, It's not your CPU that's the problem.

/maybe try actually buying the game
//Or removing your nude mods
///PEBKAC
 
2012-11-21 08:43:43 PM

torusXL: I feel I should clarify the situation with respect to the tech developers of the world.


Also it doesn't necessarily have to be a matter of dropping the ball. Can have something changed on the network side and then it's found it doesn't play nice with the device.
 
2012-11-21 09:35:24 PM

styckx: How exactly is this update being applied? From the sound of it, it is writing the update as it downloads it.. Almost like a copy-paste across a network.. Shouldn't it download a package, confirm package MD5 and then apply it?


The standard model has 8GB of storage and the update is said to be around 5GB.
 
2012-11-21 09:38:40 PM

palan: Gig103: I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.

I was curious about that as well. My guess is that it is flagged as needing to update, so it does. It probably checks that before it loads the OS so you don't have the UI or any real inputs available to answer the query about should the system update. The query times out, defaults to update and does it.

I've seen boot loaders for EFI that can handle updates to the system, but production versions can't cancel it because the system only has a touch screen which the EFI couldn't handle.

The other question is why there isn't a text mode or vga screen saying that something is occurring rather than just a black screen.


That's a good point that the bootloader would run before the application, and I agree it should be putting a message out. Maybe nobody tried to intentionally brick it and so it wasn't caught. We had a last minute update once when someone forgot to test one of the load methods on our product.
 
2012-11-21 09:43:50 PM

Flappyhead: madgonad: Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.

I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning. I discourage munchkinism - and 4E is pretty much all munchkin, all the time.

Your class routes were also restricted(unless you brought in house rules) to the point where you really couldn't build a character, just alternates of archtypes. Not surprisingly the rules lawyers in my group loved it.


I hate rules lawyers. To steal a line from The Gamers: Dorkness Rising - Story trumps rules
 
2012-11-21 09:46:54 PM

Gig103: palan: Gig103: I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.

I was curious about that as well. My guess is that it is flagged as needing to update, so it does. It probably checks that before it loads the OS so you don't have the UI or any real inputs available to answer the query about should the system update. The query times out, defaults to update and does it.

I've seen boot loaders for EFI that can handle updates to the system, but production versions can't cancel it because the system only has a touch screen which the EFI couldn't handle.

The other question is why there isn't a text mode or vga screen saying that something is occurring rather than just a black screen.

That's a good point that the bootloader would run before the application, and I agree it should be putting a message out. Maybe nobody tried to intentionally brick it and so it wasn't caught. We had a last minute update once when someone forgot to test one of the load methods on our product.


You mean the QA guys didn't get all the testing time they wanted? That's just unpossible in today's business world.

/Most annoying man I ever worked with was QA.
//He was damn good at his job. Miss working with the man who made everyone's life hell.
///I don't care if the farking French-Canadian language hasn't been tested, we need to push this farker live.
 
2012-11-21 09:48:30 PM

fluffy2097: Treygreen13: Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.

Oh yes. The days of DMA and IRQ errors, and having to resolve them by going into the BIOS and messing with things.

/Did you load EMM386.sys and himem.sys?
//Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.


Fark you for even bringing up those things. I had just about purged the phrase "IRQ error" from my mind, not to mention himem.sys. Now that you've refreshed them, the memories will continue to torment me.

/Haven't yet read the rest of the thread... read this post and couldn't fight off the irresistible urge to respond
//Did manage to fight off the almost irresistible urge to groan audibly
 
2012-11-21 10:16:17 PM

wildcardjack: In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.


It's their way of getting the end-user to hook up their game console to the internet and accept that the creator can modify the hardware/software at any time because "corporations rule the Earth" and "intelectual poperty rightz lol".
 
2012-11-21 10:39:14 PM

Ponzholio: scottydoesntknow: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I am surprised they didn't have the usual "DO NOT UNPLUG OR REMOVE STORAGE DEVICE DURING [XYZ]" like every other computer system/console in the world. But that's been so ingrained into my mind that I don't unplug anything when it's on unless I absolutely have to.

I've always wondered what would happen if I did unplug it while updating. I've just never had the guts to try it.


I always assumed they told you "in case" it happened. I didn't realize it was a guarantee. I mean, I'm glad everyone here is so machine savvy, I'd hate to be a kid plugging in a brand new Wii U, and having the power go off while waiting for it to get to spec.
 
2012-11-21 10:41:18 PM

moothemagiccow: styckx: How exactly is this update being applied? From the sound of it, it is writing the update as it downloads it.. Almost like a copy-paste across a network.. Shouldn't it download a package, confirm package MD5 and then apply it?

The standard model has 8GB of storage and the update is said to be around 5GB.



If the whole machine only has 25% storage remaining out of the box, that's a bad design. Hell, I doubt I could even find a modern only 8 GB hard drive. Stick a 500Gb laptop drive as a backup memory and be done with it. Sheesh.

My phone used to do this. 170mB onboard drive, nearly completely filled with crapware at the factory. Would consistently give me a low memory error fortnightly, completely ignoring potentially 32GB of new space on the insertable memory card. 

Management makes the oddest design decisions.
 
2012-11-21 10:42:25 PM
Apparently these folks have never owned a Wii before. You always have a major update right after purchase. Always. And yes, they will take a long time, which is great for sitting down and reading the instruction manual, getting yourself familiar with all the components to the unit, etc. Anyone so full of fail that they would turn off their Wii U during a firmware update deserves a bricked machine. Firmware updates on any sort of electronic device are very specific - DO NOT TURN OFF THE DEVICE DURING THE UPDATE.

Wow, some people.
 
2012-11-21 11:32:48 PM

fluffy2097: neuroflare: It does it on my i5 dual core as well. It's not an AMD issue, it's a Bethesda issue.

Then apply the 2 line core affinity fix, you putz.

If it doesn't resolve the issue, It's not your CPU that's the problem.

/maybe try actually buying the game
//Or removing your nude mods
///PEBKAC


Actually I did buy the game, asshat. On Steam running no mods, and no update to the game, nor anything I could find online would fix the crash but switching it to one core. So fark off.
 
2012-11-21 11:38:22 PM

Alphakronik: scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.

FTFY


Thank you for advertising your ignorance of the current state of the software, hardware, internet, and in general anything technical businesses. Your comments will be summarily derided, laughed at, and used for "point out the luddite" drinking games.
 
2012-11-21 11:45:49 PM
I had to leave the house while my Wii U was updating and my 10 year old niece was saying with us that day. I told her not to touch the Wii U, no matter what, just let it finish updating and you can play it when I get home and finish seting it up..... Luckily, she just hit OK when it was finished updating but I was still upset that she touched the system. I lucked out and she didn't do anything to brick it.

/ should have known her grandmother wasn't going to make sure she didn't touch it
// why yes I have been drinking..... *burp*
 
2012-11-21 11:54:14 PM

SteveFU: I had to leave the house while my Wii U was updating and my 10 year old niece was saying with us that day. I told her not to touch the Wii U, no matter what, just let it finish updating and you can play it when I get home and finish seting it up..... Luckily, she just hit OK when it was finished updating but I was still upset that she touched the system. I lucked out and she didn't do anything to brick it.

/ should have known her grandmother wasn't going to make sure she didn't touch it
// why yes I have been drinking..... *burp*


Wow, time for me to stop drinking...
 
2012-11-22 12:07:11 AM

scottydoesntknow: Farking moron.


end of story
 
2012-11-22 12:17:52 AM
First, let me say that I saw the initial complaint by this journalist, and to answer the common question: YES, the console puts a "Do not turn off or remove power supply while updating" message (that's paraphrased, but the gist of the message is made clear) so the reviewer was a complete moron twice over. I'm glad someone stepped up to call him on it.

Okay... My review of the Wii U, fit for Farkers, with some background:

I'm not a big fan of Nintendo. I had an NES, of course, and a SNES, and enjoyed them both as simple gaming solutions compared to my beloved Commodore 64, TurboGrafx-CD/TurboDuo, and Genesis. Like other people in my age category, I started out with Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. in the arcade, and was pleased to see what happened with Super Mario Bros. on the NES.

I also enjoyed a few exclusives on the SNES, most notably Super Metroid, Super Castlevania IV, Super Mario World, and Super Punch-Out. I also liked some third party titles, such as Zombies Ate My Neighbors and Shadowrun, but a lot of games fell short for me as compared to their C64 or IBM PC-DOS counterparts, most notably the role-playing games.

My point here is that I wasn't exactly a Nintendo hater, but I also wasn't a huge Nintendo mega-fan.

I did enjoy the Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and GBA. I even enjoyed the Virtual Boy for a while (though it did give me a horrendous headache sometimes, and I'm fairly certain I became near-sighted because of it. At least, that's the story I'm sticking with. It was the VB, not aging, that ruined my eyesight.)

The N64 came out, and I was not happy with Nintendo's decision to stick with cartridges when CDs were all the rage, and the PSOne (the original) was offering some really great games. Eventually I caved in and got an N64. I played Mario 64, and dinked around with WWF No Mercy, but ultimately gave the console to my nephews for a Christmas present. They loved it. I felt like maybe I had outgrown Nintendo.

Nintendo put out the GameCube. Again, I got one, and played with it for a while, but had a hard time finding games that I considered worth paying for. I gave the GameCube away as a gift as well. Again, the nephews enjoyed the hell out of it.

When the Wii came out, I flat-out refused to get one. The way I saw it, Nintendo was just rehashing their big hits over and over at this point. It was obvious to me that the choice to skip HD was a problem where third-party developers were concerned, and the motion controls would limit the games to a lot of gimmicky, cheap titles. I wasn't far off from the truth of it, either. The Wii seems to have a lot of shovelware, and as a result I never did dive in and get one. I went with the Xbox 360, and later switched to the PS3 (because I was not pleased with Microsoft's insistence that I pay for Live Gold in order to access Netflix-- A service I already paid a subscription for. It was the principle of the matter.)

And that brings us to the Wii U. I was pretty sure I wasn't interested. I mean, after the Wii showed us that third parties were avoiding Nintendo, what was I to think? More Mario games, more Zelda games, no third parties and gimmicky controls, right?

Well, I just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and I got one because it was there, I had the funds, and I knew they would be in demand this season. And I sat on it for a couple days, trying to determine if I wanted to sell it for a little mark-up, or keep it. Finally, after seeing that everyone else in the nation bought one to sell it online, thus driving the price down, the gadget freak in me couldn't resist unpacking the Wii U and playing around with it.

And well... I like it. I tried ZombiU, and really got into it. The screen on the GamePad is a gimmick, but it's a well-utilized gimmick. The game itself lives up to expectations, too, if you like survival horror. Using the GamePad screen to dig through the backpack, scan the area, or check the map is pretty cool, and I like that some sounds (like the radio transmissions from your helper) come through the gamepad, while others come through the TV or sound system. It's a really great game, and the controller adds to the experience.

New Super Mario Bros. U is also pretty cool. It reminds me a lot of the fun I had with Super Mario World on the SNES when I first got it. I suck at Mario games, but this one has a lot to do and mirrors the game on the GamePad, so I can actually turn off the TV and treat it like a portable-yet-full version. Very nifty.

The console itself is decent. The GamePad is bigger than I expected it to be, but it's not clunky or heavy. Setup was easy (and as I said, idiot-proof if you can read). I'm not fond of the lack of Toslink port (my TV doesn't push PCM as surround via optical from HDMI), but otherwise the quality of the connection is decent, offering 1080p on a Nintendo console for the first time. This seems trivial today, but it does mean that the Wii U is going to be able to play current-gen games like Assassin's Creed 3 as well as (or better than) the PS3 and Xbox 360. And third-party games ARE out there this time.

I have the basic set, and while I was concerned about the limited storage space, a little research taught me that I could pop a USB hard drive into the ports in the back of the Wii U and let it format for use as a storage device. Even with the rear USB ports taken, I still have ports left (something I really wish the PS3 would have implemented in the slim model). I'm glad I got the basic set, because reports say the black one collects dust and fingerprints like crazy. Nintendo is even nice enough to include an HDMI cable in the basic kit.

There's a sensor bar for Wii remotes, too. The general idea is that you use the GamePad (that's the one with the screen, camera, gyroscope, microphone and speakers) by itself, or with Wii remotes for other players. This is actually a pretty handy arrangement, allowing for cool game ideas like the GamePad holder being invisible to other players, using his screen to interact while the other players use the TV screen. It also means that the vast supply of inexpensive Wii remotes out there are compatible with the new system, as are the games.

Will I get any Wii games now? Probably not many, but I hear Super Mario Galaxy is good, and I think that since Wii games are going to be pretty cheap now they might be worth checking out.

As a media device, the Wii U impresses me. No, it can't play DVDs or Blu-ray Discs (an unfortunate omission considering the price of the console), but it can stream Netflix, and Hulu Plus, Amazon, and YouTube are coming soon. As a Netflix device it has one of the best interfaces I've ever seen. Your queue and other choices appear on your GamePad screen, and you can scroll through with controls or touch. You can watch on the TV, or on the GamePad screen and the transition between the two is seamless- No pause or stutter. Controls are on the GamePad screen, and you can use the scrubber by swiping to the point in the movie you want to reach.

The GamePad also works as a decent television remote control. As part of the Wii U setup you can sync the remote with your television, and it can control Input Source, volume, and channels.

It's a well-made console, and I think Nintendo is ready to step up and play nice with third parties. There's potential here, and it has made me feel much better about the fact that this is a Nintendo console.

If you do grab one, I highly suggest picking up ZombiU and giving it a fair chance. It's not a typical FPS. It's a really good, moody survival horror adventure, and it will give you a sense of what can be accomplished with the Wii U GamePad in the future. I'm eager to see what other developers do with the GamePad in popular franchises. An Elder Scrolls game with GamePad integration could be epic.
 
2012-11-22 12:26:27 AM
TL;DR version:

The Wii U is better than I thought it would be. The games are clever and the controller is a gimmick, but a well-designed one. ZombiU is worth playing. Netflix is better on the Wii U than on PS3 or Xbox 360. Being able to play Wii games is a bonus you may or may not use. Adding storage is easy.
 
2012-11-22 01:02:27 AM

ZeroCorpse: TL;DR version:

The Wii U is better than I thought it would be. The games are clever and the controller is a gimmick, but a well-designed one. ZombiU is worth playing. Netflix is better on the Wii U than on PS3 or Xbox 360. Being able to play Wii games is a bonus you may or may not use. Adding storage is easy.


You left out B.E.S.U.R.E.T.O.D.R.I.N.K.Y.O.U.R.O.V.A.L.T.I.N.E
 
2012-11-22 01:59:55 AM

Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.


The problem is when the idiots got lawyers.
 
2012-11-22 02:19:34 AM
1. The update is 1.2 gb, not 5gb
2. The system doesn't brick. It goes into "autopilot mode", and if you plug it in it will download the update but will download a black screen. If you leave it on it will eventually update itself
3. Zombi U, NSMB U, and Nintendo Land are completely rad, and several of the other games are solid ports or titles (Tekken, Scribblenauts, CoD, etc). Next year there are some great titles like Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Rayman Legends, Aliens Colonial Marines, Lego City, and Monster Hunter
4. The web browser has a higher HTML5 score than Internet Explorer and is better than every other game browser by far
5. The Miiverse is actually one of the coolest video game console interfaces ever. It's fun, social, useful, unobtrusive. It's great
 
2012-11-22 02:37:35 AM
2. The system doesn't brick. It goes into "autopilot mode". If you plug it back in it will download and apply the update but will display a black screen while doing so.

Fixed
 
2012-11-22 04:21:56 AM
OK. SO I played the wiiu and i have to say, i was non impressed. Graphics looked on par w/todays standards (TBH even todays standard look the same as 4yrs ago standard) and overall I was not impressed. I'm wondering if we hit a brick wall for innovation. I cant see next gen consoles get too ahead of the game either since they usually go about halfsies to the specs of today's better pcs. Anywho holding a tablet..controller... Crablet? Tontroller? tablenter? is really awkward, uncomfortable and heavy vs a standard controller, the game I played made the screen/tablet a gimmick feature more then a necessary or an added experience. MEH
 
2012-11-22 05:43:10 AM

sjmcc13: HindiDiscoMonster:
I played AD&D since 1st edition... Each edition had it's strengths and weaknesses... The problem I find with 4th edition is that it tries to be too realistic... It is after all supposed to be fantasy... an escape, not a rulemonger's wet dream. I think my favorite edition (yes, I know I will get hate for this) is 2nd Edition. I do however like the addition of skills and Psionics being fixed.

Umm, you never played 4E did you? It is not trying to be to realistic, in no way shape of form does that rule set try to be to realistic. Considering the massive ammount of things that they specifically did not hard code in the rules, or left to have a very simple mechanics to determine success,that was in no way being reaslistic.
You seem to be miss associating it with 3.X in this respect, same ith rulemongers.


As each edition came out, there were more rules... rules upon rules. rules for rules to apply to rules.... it's like friggin java or something.
 
2012-11-22 05:45:39 AM

AdamK: HindiDiscoMonster: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?

shiat happens, I remember when the ps3 first came out, legit patches would brick your system - no power outage or plug yanking required, cod3 would brick your console as well just because'

Wear a helmet


I am sure that excuse would work for car manufacturers too...

Driving down the road on the highway... BOOM engine drops out... 30 people killed in a massive collision.... manufacturers response: "shiat happens"... lol

somebody is gonna get sued :)

/it's a feature
 
2012-11-22 06:48:25 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: AdamK: HindiDiscoMonster: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?

shiat happens, I remember when the ps3 first came out, legit patches would brick your system - no power outage or plug yanking required, cod3 would brick your console as well just because'

Wear a helmet

I am sure that excuse would work for car manufacturers too...

Driving down the road on the highway... BOOM engine drops out... 30 people killed in a massive collision.... manufacturers response: "shiat happens"... lol

somebody is gonna get sued :)

/it's a feature


brings new meaning to "red ring of death"
 
2012-11-22 07:34:08 AM

ZeroCorpse: WalloftextU


Thanks for the info! I've been waiting for some real info and user experiences on the system before deciding whether to take the plunge or not. Bought the Wii opening day and I swear, I used it maybe twice. Just no decent games I cared about and the motion controls were kind of dumb. Great for parties though, not so much solo experiences.

The only game I've seen so far that has me interested is ZombiU and it's good to hear that the game makes good use of the controller. Probably going to wait until the poachers stop driving the price up before grabbing one though, only one game has really caught my eye and it's kind of hard to justify the purchase.
 
2012-11-22 08:01:41 AM

Treygreen13: TheOriginalEd: and Treygreen Fallout 3 was literally unplayable and remains so for a large number of people. Its not just minor graphical glitches. Its the game constantly crashing because your computer has more than one core in its cpu http://lmgtfy.com/?q=multi+core+fallout+3

Sometimes if everyone is yelling about something you have to wonder if something isnt going on even if it seems stupid.

I was referring to the Xbox 360 version, since this is (or at least was) a discussion about console gaming.

However, I remember that particular issue. Of course, I was able to resolve it with the first result on google search, and the community at Fallout Nexus put together a fix for that and a few other minor problems without having to wait for Bethesda to do a full patch. That's part of the reason I prefer PC on pretty much any game other than sports games - if there's an issue with the compatibility of my hardware or I just want to add something new to my game, I can.

Now, it certainly was a problem. But a good reviewer would say "there is currently an issue with multi-core processors and a fix is available" instead of "THIS IS UNPLAYABLE".

The stories of NPCs falling to their death is pretty hilarious. It was still a great game, though.


Dont be a twat. My entire point was that even if there is a quick fix its still a problem and still bad press, console or pc has nothing to do with it. Just because you think a problem is trivial is no reason to ignore that it exists or call reviews pointing out the issues reactionary garbage.
 
2012-11-22 08:08:58 AM
why does it already need FW update to begin with
 
2012-11-22 08:17:36 AM

ZeroCorpse: Will I get any Wii games now? Probably not many, but I hear Super Mario Galaxy is good, and I think that since Wii games are going to be pretty cheap now they might be worth checking out.


Get Punch Out for Wii. It's a small twist on the formula but it's great. Kirby's Epic Yarn is also a good platformer. Either of these should be $10 used or on sale.

//i've sunk 30 hours into this Xenoblade game and I've only had it a week. getting unhealthy
 
2012-11-22 08:18:17 AM

Leader O'Cola: why does it already need FW update to begin with


Nintendo rushed the OS to market instead of working on it for the last 2 years.
 
2012-11-22 08:20:03 AM

natmar_76: 1. The update is 1.2 gb, not 5gb


Thanks sorry. That's what I read elsewhere and I repeated it.
 
2012-11-22 08:49:18 AM

Lumbar Puncture: YodaBlues: A Shambling Mound: Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update.

That's a fair point, except for the fact the update doesn't do that. If it the update fails (cause of a power outage or some twit unplugging it mid-install) it goes into a "safe mode" upon re-boot where it re-downloads and completes the update but only shows a black screen.

Nothing is being bricked by this update.

/Day one updates, while annoying, aren't the end of the world especially since they can be completed in the background.

From VentureBeat:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/19/bricked-wii-u-owners-will-have-to-s e nd-their-consoles-to-nintendo-for-repair/

"The system files are fragile during the update process," the customer service agent told me. "If something goes wrong, it will leave the console bricked. You'll have to send it to us."


It's italian.
 
2012-11-22 12:09:40 PM

ZeroCorpse: Will I get any Wii games now? Probably not many, but I hear Super Mario Galaxy is good, and I think that since Wii games are going to be pretty cheap now they might be worth checking out.


Bully: Scholarship Edition is like GTA set in high school. If you like action games with fun puzzles, try Zack & Wiki (no, they do not make a porno). I'd also recommend Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword, but that's the Zelda fanboy in me talking (he won't stop talking about Zelda whenever he puts it in my butt). There's also Metroid Prime 3, which you can get by itself or packaged as a Trilogy with Prime 1 & 2. Metroid: Other M is okay, but as a Metroid game, it's a huge disappointment (refer to the internet for more details). I recently got the Kirby 20th Anniversary Collection, and it's fantastic. I'm sure there are others, but those are the only games coming to mind right now.
 
2012-11-22 02:50:14 PM

Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.

Umm, 4E is not like playing WoW, it could be if you do not read the books and try to forse it to do things it is not designed for, or if you are a ROLL player and not a ROLE player. Being like WoW is the major complaint of peopel who never tried to understand the edition, or forgot how Role playing actually is suppose ot work.

madgonad: I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning.


Umm, one of the complaints from people who actually played 4e, unlike you, was that combat was to long. Also fighter types like the fighter and the ranger are amoung the most powerful classes in 4E and were since release (PHB along Ranger and Rogue are the most dangerous classes)

Flappyhead: Your class routes were also restricted(unless you brought in house rules) to the point where you really couldn't build a character, just alternates of archtypes. Not surprisingly the rules lawyers in my group loved it.


Except that you actually had more choices then in previous editions for almost every class and thus more options for customization, and their decision to seperate Fluff (the PHB outright stated re-fluffing things was OK and expected) and Crunch meant developing a character's persionality and background had considerable more room then before.
 
2012-11-22 08:00:44 PM
El Terrible: //Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.

Fark you for even bringing up those things. I had just about purged the phrase "IRQ error" from my mind, not to mention himem.sys. Now that you've refreshed them, the memories will continue to torment me.


You forgot something, there at the end.

DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE.EXE
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6
 
2012-11-22 08:53:15 PM

lordargent: El Terrible: //Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.

Fark you for even bringing up those things. I had just about purged the phrase "IRQ error" from my mind, not to mention himem.sys. Now that you've refreshed them, the memories will continue to torment me.

You forgot something, there at the end.

DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE.EXE
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6


Oh man. Wolfenstein memories.
 
2012-11-22 09:47:54 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?


THIS!

/my PS3 has an indicator of when it's updating, you know what I don't do when I see that bar moving? *UNPLUG THE SYSTEM!!*
 
2012-11-22 10:56:29 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?

THIS!

/my PS3 has an indicator of when it's updating, you know what I don't do when I see that bar moving? *UNPLUG THE SYSTEM!!*


This! At least if the bar has been frozen for an hour or something you might take a chance. But as long as that thing is slowly ticking, don't touch it.
 
2012-11-23 03:59:21 AM
Is a gigabyte of patch on release day really farking okay these days? And a less than instructive/informative interface about what is happening? This from the company that sells consoles to grannies and housewives?

Jesus.
 
2012-11-23 09:43:20 AM

YodaBlues: ZeroCorpse: WalloftextU

Thanks for the info! I've been waiting for some real info and user experiences on the system before deciding whether to take the plunge or not. Bought the Wii opening day and I swear, I used it maybe twice. Just no decent games I cared about and the motion controls were kind of dumb. Great for parties though, not so much solo experiences.

The only game I've seen so far that has me interested is ZombiU and it's good to hear that the game makes good use of the controller. Probably going to wait until the poachers stop driving the price up before grabbing one though, only one game has really caught my eye and it's kind of hard to justify the purchase.


From the review I've read on it, ZombiU also has asymeticral local multiplayer, with one player using the Gamepad as a zombie overlord, and the other playing a survivor.
 
2012-11-23 04:04:09 PM

Leishu: Alphakronik: scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.

FTFY

Thank you for advertising your ignorance of the current state of the software, hardware, internet, and in general anything technical businesses. Your comments will be summarily derided, laughed at, and used for "point out the luddite" drinking games.


I don't mind a firmware update, but I'll be damned if I'm paying for shiat that needs it day of purchase.

Always wait for 2.0.
 
2012-11-23 04:05:59 PM

gaspode: Is a gigabyte of patch on release day really farking okay these days? And a less than instructive/informative interface about what is happening? This from the company that sells consoles to grannies and housewives?

Jesus.


A late console is only late until it is released.
A bad console is bad fore-- FARK IT, WE CAN PATCH IT LATER!
 
2012-11-24 07:44:28 PM

Alphakronik: Leishu: Alphakronik: scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.

FTFY

Thank you for advertising your ignorance of the current state of the software, hardware, internet, and in general anything technical businesses. Your comments will be summarily derided, laughed at, and used for "point out the luddite" drinking games.

I don't mind a firmware update, but I'll be damned if I'm paying for shiat that needs it day of purchase.

Always wait for 2.0.


Every console release and most game releases that have online component in the past 5-6 years have had firmware updates on day one.

Welcome to the future.
 
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