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(Some Guy)   News: Wii U players reporting the console bricking itself within one day of use. Fail: It only happens when you yank the plug out of the wall during a firmware update   (aussie-gamer.com) divider line 144
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2012-11-21 04:22:56 PM

TheOriginalEd: and Treygreen Fallout 3 was literally unplayable and remains so for a large number of people. Its not just minor graphical glitches. Its the game constantly crashing because your computer has more than one core in its cpu


It was specific to AMD phenom dual core processors I believe, because AMD likes to ignore standards in favor of optimizations.

Also, you can force fallout 3 to only use one core and sidestep the problem. It's a whole 2 lines in a config file.

/There is a reason AMD chips are cheaper...
 
2012-11-21 04:23:13 PM

A Shambling Mound: Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update.


That's a fair point, except for the fact the update doesn't do that. If it the update fails (cause of a power outage or some twit unplugging it mid-install) it goes into a "safe mode" upon re-boot where it re-downloads and completes the update but only shows a black screen.

Nothing is being bricked by this update.

/Day one updates, while annoying, aren't the end of the world especially since they can be completed in the background.
 
2012-11-21 04:24:55 PM

Treygreen13: The stories of NPCs falling to their death is pretty hilarious. It was still a great game, though


It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.
 
2012-11-21 04:27:36 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Treygreen13: The stories of NPCs falling to their death is pretty hilarious. It was still a great game, though

It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.


I had many more issues with New Vegas than F3. Hell New Vegas is the only game I've played where I literally could not continue because the game would crash upon entering The Strip. I eventually had to go in and edit the save file (on Xbox 360) to add a beret to my inventory. No idea why, but the only way I could go into The Strip was by wearing a beret.
 
2012-11-21 04:28:08 PM

YodaBlues: A Shambling Mound: Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update.

That's a fair point, except for the fact the update doesn't do that. If it the update fails (cause of a power outage or some twit unplugging it mid-install) it goes into a "safe mode" upon re-boot where it re-downloads and completes the update but only shows a black screen.

Nothing is being bricked by this update.

/Day one updates, while annoying, aren't the end of the world especially since they can be completed in the background.


From VentureBeat:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/19/bricked-wii-u-owners-will-have-to-s e nd-their-consoles-to-nintendo-for-repair/

"The system files are fragile during the update process," the customer service agent told me. "If something goes wrong, it will leave the console bricked. You'll have to send it to us."
 
2012-11-21 04:32:11 PM

Raharu: PsyLord: Someone actually bought that console?

Yes record breaking sales again for Nintendo, those idiots.

They can't do ANYTHING right... noobs.


Actually being half serious. When the Wii came out, it was all over the news that there were mad rushes and long lines to get one. However, I didn't hear anything about the Wii U release. In fact, I wasn't even aware that it had been released.
 
2012-11-21 04:33:38 PM

fluffy2097: It was specific to AMD phenom dual core processors I believe, because AMD likes to ignore standards in favor of optimizations.

Also, you can force fallout 3 to only use one core and sidestep the problem. It's a whole 2 lines in a config file.


Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.
 
2012-11-21 04:34:11 PM

Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.


Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.
 
2012-11-21 04:39:03 PM

Treygreen13: Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.


Oh yes. The days of DMA and IRQ errors, and having to resolve them by going into the BIOS and messing with things.

/Did you load EMM386.sys and himem.sys?
//Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:10 PM

fluffy2097: Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.

Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.


An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.
 
2012-11-21 04:41:01 PM

Amper: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?

Three simple steps for you:

2) Call tech support for an unresponsive device that you deliberately farked during an update.
3) Don't lie about how you deliberately farked the device during an update.
4) Be told to wait for the update to complete properly without farking with it.

Why'd I skip step one? Because "1) Tattle to the internets that a device you deliberately farked during an update isn't working as expected" isn't part of the solution.

While not the most user friendly, the update recovery probably works quite well and only happens under worst-case scenarios: Highly unlikely power outage or catastrophic user judgment.

(And seriously, people, if you ever call customer service/tech support/IT, don't skip step three.)


Nothing you said relates to the statement I made or was responding to. He said people who don't know what a system is doing when no UI feedback is provided are stupid. I disagreed. That is all.
 
2012-11-21 04:42:50 PM
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2012-11-21 04:43:20 PM

scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.


FTFY
 
2012-11-21 04:43:25 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews

NSMBU has been getting very good reviews.


It's been getting OK reviews...not great. Head on over to Metacritic and see for yourself. Yeah, I hate Metacritic, but it's the only way to get a feel for general consensus. And for the new SMB game, that consensus is that it's just pretty good.
 
2012-11-21 04:44:33 PM

I Like Bread: An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.


Sigh... If that were really a reason, why does the Xbox360 version have to split maps into smaller sections, has fewer lights and shadows, smaller textures and and reduced post processing?
 
2012-11-21 04:44:59 PM

I Like Bread: fluffy2097: Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.

Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.

An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.


It has Internet Explorer, so now it can have those 15 tabs of porn!
 
2012-11-21 04:45:23 PM

fluffy2097: Treygreen13: Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.

Oh yes. The days of DMA and IRQ errors, and having to resolve them by going into the BIOS and messing with things.

/Did you load EMM386.sys and himem.sys?
//Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.


I don't even have to go that far back to think of some of the most hilariously frustrating things. Let's spend 4 hours in the DOS Prompt trying to figure out why the install for Descent hangs with zero documentation in a manual or on the internet.

Or even more recently, the night my friend and I excitedly waited for Star Wars: Galaxies to finally open and we sat at the server screen waiting, waiting, waiting for the servers to open up. We just sat there trying to connect for hours and tried to piece together an idea of when they'd be available based on the rumors from the internet and calling our friends to see if they got in. Spoiler alert: they didn't open that day at all.

Now if a game comes out at midnight and if you're not playing at 12:01 the whole thing is a disaster and everyone involved should be fired.
 
2012-11-21 04:46:46 PM

fluffy2097: Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.

Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.


Certainly, and I'm not trying to say the game sucked, but there's no way it didn't have bugs on pretty much anything you ran it on. The Gamebryo engine sucked.
 
2012-11-21 04:50:03 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Certainly, and I'm not trying to say the game sucked, but there's no way it didn't have bugs on pretty much anything you ran it on. The Gamebryo engine sucked.


I had a few crashes, a few minor bugs on my PC.

Certainly nothing I would consider "the engine sucking". Some of those crashes WERE frustrating when I hadn't saved in a while...

But I'm starting to sound like a member of the PC gaming master race and that's really not my point.

The Xbox version was ham-stringed in order to run. It was a bad port made worse by limited hardware.
 
2012-11-21 04:52:34 PM
I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.
 
2012-11-21 04:52:40 PM

PsyLord: Actually being half serious. When the Wii came out, it was all over the news that there were mad rushes and long lines to get one. However, I didn't hear anything about the Wii U release. In fact, I wasn't even aware that it had been released.


Then you probably just haven't been paying attention this time around, because it's sold out most places. I don't know if they've fixed the supply issues they had for the original Wii or not, but if not, the Wii U may remain sold out until the Christmas season is over.
 
2012-11-21 05:00:55 PM
He's mad because his hardware didn't get firmware and now it can't perform at all.
 
2012-11-21 05:03:01 PM

YodaBlues: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Treygreen13: I should also add that this sort of reactionary garbage is common amongst reviewers. I remember when Fallout 3 came out the first handful of reviews were something like TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE BUGFEST with such game ruining bugs as "a dead deathclaw moved in a funny way". The game did have a few bugs at launch but the reviewers blew it way out of proportion considering the epic scope of the game and the massive undertaking it is to try to get rid of every possible bug in something like that.

I'm with you regarding kneejerk reviewers, but you lost me in your defense of Fallout 3. Bethesda has a long track record of abysmal QA going back to the early 1990s.

An verily emphatic ^THIS^.

Fallout 3 was an awesome awesome bug-riddled mess. But it WAS bug-riddled, such as the "suicidal NPC's" who would get lost walking their programmed routes and walk off cliffs to their deaths, preventing you from completing missions.

/Still an amazing friggin game.


I played it on PC, and I have to say it was on of the buggiest games I've ever played. The game would lock, the little alarm sound (tweetweetweet) would never stop, dead bodies would float away or continue twitching, and characters would just wander away while you were talking to them.

/saved frequently
 
2012-11-21 05:03:54 PM

sjmcc13: drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.


My group didn't like 4E, and we love pathfinder. Worked for us. Have yet to read a single review. But the consensus for our fellow gamers we meet has been the same. So I'll stick with that. I don't read pen and paper blogs.
 
2012-11-21 05:07:43 PM

Gig103: I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.


I was curious about that as well. My guess is that it is flagged as needing to update, so it does. It probably checks that before it loads the OS so you don't have the UI or any real inputs available to answer the query about should the system update. The query times out, defaults to update and does it.

I've seen boot loaders for EFI that can handle updates to the system, but production versions can't cancel it because the system only has a touch screen which the EFI couldn't handle.

The other question is why there isn't a text mode or vga screen saying that something is occurring rather than just a black screen.
 
2012-11-21 05:10:02 PM

styckx: The N64WiiCubeUkab: When your customer base is comprised of folks who have bought rehashes of the same Italian plumber game for the past 30 years, it's likely that you can't expect them to have common sense regarding things like firmware updates.

The same ones who thought the Wii-U was anything but a rehashed Wii with a over priced LCD controller instead of a magic wand..

More power to Nintendo for selling re-purposed trash to people though..


The Wii was just a Gamecube with a motion control gimmick tacked on, so Nintendo is just doing what worked before. Aside from a handful of games made specifically for motion control, most of the games on the Wii could have been done on the Gamecube console. Look at Twilight Princess. It came out on both consoles, and aside from motion controls (and flipping the game from left to right), there was no discernible differences in graphics, sound, gameplay or content.
 
2012-11-21 05:12:03 PM

HindiDiscoMonster:
I played AD&D since 1st edition... Each edition had it's strengths and weaknesses... The problem I find with 4th edition is that it tries to be too realistic... It is after all supposed to be fantasy... an escape, not a rulemonger's wet dream. I think my favorite edition (yes, I know I will get hate for this) is 2nd Edition. I do however like the addition of skills and Psionics being fixed.


Umm, you never played 4E did you? It is not trying to be to realistic, in no way shape of form does that rule set try to be to realistic. Considering the massive ammount of things that they specifically did not hard code in the rules, or left to have a very simple mechanics to determine success,that was in no way being reaslistic.
You seem to be miss associating it with 3.X in this respect, same ith rulemongers.
 
2012-11-21 05:12:36 PM
I really want to play Zombie U. If only people could buy this console without the intent to put it on Ebay.
 
2012-11-21 05:15:43 PM

fluffy2097: I Like Bread: An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.

Sigh... If that were really a reason, why does the Xbox360 version have to split maps into smaller sections, has fewer lights and shadows, smaller textures and and reduced post processing?


Doesn't make it irrelevant.
Porting isn't exactly a new thing. If I wanted to, say, port Double Dragon to the NES, I'd have to draw all-new sprites and tiles with reduced colors and resolution. Most of what you said are actually among the easiest ways a developer can scale a game these days.
 
2012-11-21 05:18:08 PM

I Like Bread: fluffy2097: I Like Bread: An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.

Sigh... If that were really a reason, why does the Xbox360 version have to split maps into smaller sections, has fewer lights and shadows, smaller textures and and reduced post processing?

Doesn't make it irrelevant.
Porting isn't exactly a new thing. If I wanted to, say, port Double Dragon to the NES, I'd have to draw all-new sprites and tiles with reduced colors and resolution. Most of what you said are actually among the easiest ways a developer can scale a game these days.


Or you could just take the existing double dragon NES game out and stick in the NES. done.
 
2012-11-21 05:22:43 PM
Now, was it bricking if you interrupted the update somehow, or the download itself? I've seen it both ways, which makes me wonder as to the process the wii U downloads and installs updates.
 
2012-11-21 05:25:20 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?


By learning about the technology that they are emotional attached to so that they won't flip out when it doesn't magically do what they silently wished?

Computers run by the laws of physics, sorry.
 
2012-11-21 05:25:58 PM

sirgrim: I really want to play Zombie U. If only people could buy this console without the intent to put it on Ebay.


My wife won a wii u in the burger king no purchase neccessary contest, I wanted to buy zombiU but it got like a 6.1 on ign, whereas mario bros got a 9.1 and Nintendo land got a 9.5 so I think I know which ones I'll pick up.
 
2012-11-21 05:26:18 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: GavinTheAlmighty: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews

NSMBU has been getting very good reviews.

It's been getting OK reviews...not great. Head on over to Metacritic and see for yourself. Yeah, I hate Metacritic, but it's the only way to get a feel for general consensus. And for the new SMB game, that consensus is that it's just pretty good.


I love the mario games, but something about NSMB doesn't feel right. It's like the jump physics are off compared to other platformers, and double that for other 2d mario games.
 
2012-11-21 05:32:08 PM

sjmcc13: drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.


Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.
 
2012-11-21 05:34:10 PM

Bippal: sjmcc13: drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.

My group didn't like 4E, and we love pathfinder. Worked for us. Have yet to read a single review. But the consensus for our fellow gamers we meet has been the same. So I'll stick with that. I don't read pen and paper blogs.


My disappointing with 4e was Gamma World 4e. I thought we were finally going to get a Gamma World worthy of the name and then they go and nerf it with a weird ass card mechanic that everybody hated.
 
2012-11-21 05:34:51 PM

Antimatter: I love the mario games, but something about NSMB doesn't feel right. It's like the jump physics are off compared to other platformers, and double that for other 2d mario games.


Oh man yeah! I could never place my finger on what was off about that game. It's subtle, but the jump physics seem "floaty" and "kinda slow". And there's this sensation after the apex of the jump of falling too quickly (at least compared to what I'm use to in good platformers).
 
2012-11-21 05:36:17 PM
Whoever does that deserves a brick.
 
2012-11-21 05:41:10 PM

Nowhereman: My wife won a wii u in the burger king no purchase neccessary contest, I wanted to buy zombiU but it got like a 6.1 on ign, whereas mario bros got a 9.1 and Nintendo land got a 9.5 so I think I know which ones I'll pick up.


NintendoLand comes with the Deluxe edition which is the one I wanted. Might settle for the regular edition, haven't decided on that yet. Not huge on the latest mario bros games.
 
2012-11-21 05:42:15 PM
Double Fail - Its not really bricked, just downloading and installing the update in a recovery mode
 
2012-11-21 05:43:38 PM

way south: Because the power never goes out where you live, subby?

/Things been so bad here, we only update our machines when plugged into a battery backup


Or you could RTFA.
 
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2012-11-21 06:03:36 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Here's what happened: some journalist in America went out and bought a Wii U at midnight launch. He got home and saw the console asked him to perform a system update after he connected to WiFi. And so he sat, looking at the screen for a whole 15 minutes before getting bored and yanking the power cable out of the wall.


This was me, except I didn't unplug it like a moron. The progress gauge was moving (slowly), so I said screw it, it'll be done by morning, and went to bed.
 
2012-11-21 06:07:29 PM

Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.


I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning. I discourage munchkinism - and 4E is pretty much all munchkin, all the time.
 
2012-11-21 06:15:47 PM

fluffy2097: It was specific to AMD phenom dual core processors I believe, because AMD likes to ignore standards in favor of optimizations.

Also, you can force fallout 3 to only use one core and sidestep the problem. It's a whole 2 lines in a config file.

/There is a reason AMD chips are cheaper...


It does it on my i5 dual core as well. It's not an AMD issue, it's a Bethesda issue.
 
2012-11-21 06:24:01 PM
In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.
 
2012-11-21 06:27:20 PM

madgonad: Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.

I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning. I discourage munchkinism - and 4E is pretty much all munchkin, all the time.


Your class routes were also restricted(unless you brought in house rules) to the point where you really couldn't build a character, just alternates of archtypes. Not surprisingly the rules lawyers in my group loved it.
 
2012-11-21 06:31:41 PM

wildcardjack: In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.


There are ways to do it, but including an instruction like "do not touch this new, expensive and exciting toy you've been eagerly awaiting for the next XX hours, or it may break". That's perfectly acceptable on a rack full of servers, but appallingly stupid thinking on the part of a toy company.
 
2012-11-21 06:53:02 PM

wildcardjack: In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.


I feel I should clarify the situation with respect to the tech developers of the world.

When these things happen, the developers (sw, hw, systems, testers, etc) are often just as pissed as the customers. In many tech companies upper management usually does not listen enough to the engineering side of the company and push schedules beyond their limits, forcing engineering managers to remove features, reduce testing time, etc (i.e. reduce product quality).

Which isn't to say that hitting good release dates isn't a part of the process - sales need to be successful, money made, food put on the table, etc. Most self-respecting developers wish deep down that they could make the best product possible. Sadly sometimes, they just aren't given the chance.
 
2012-11-21 07:49:34 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still don't see why people are buying it in the first place. The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews and everything else is is available on the other two consoles.


They're really fun, simply put (even if they aren't critical successes)

I only buy 3rd party games on the PC anyways, nobody can beat that
 
2012-11-21 07:54:39 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?


shiat happens, I remember when the ps3 first came out, legit patches would brick your system - no power outage or plug yanking required, cod3 would brick your console as well just because'

Wear a helmet
 
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