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(Some Guy)   News: Wii U players reporting the console bricking itself within one day of use. Fail: It only happens when you yank the plug out of the wall during a firmware update   (aussie-gamer.com) divider line 144
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2012-11-21 02:28:30 PM
And this guy is a reviewer? Farking moron.

The worst part is Nintendo is sending him a new one, with the firmware already installed so he doesn't screw it up again.
 
2012-11-21 02:29:47 PM
Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.
 
2012-11-21 02:34:55 PM

ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.


I am surprised they didn't have the usual "DO NOT UNPLUG OR REMOVE STORAGE DEVICE DURING [XYZ]" like every other computer system/console in the world. But that's been so ingrained into my mind that I don't unplug anything when it's on unless I absolutely have to.
 
2012-11-21 02:36:50 PM
+1 for use of the plug tag
 
2012-11-21 02:43:51 PM

ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.


I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.
 
2012-11-21 03:11:59 PM
The Wii U offers some really exciting new features, but as soon as I opened the box and dumped the contents in my hot tub, the system immediately became unresponsive!
 
2012-11-21 03:15:30 PM

Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.


Depends. If they expose themselves to kids, they should be arrested.
 
2012-11-21 03:18:01 PM
Still don't see why people are buying it in the first place. The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews and everything else is is available on the other two consoles.
 
2012-11-21 03:19:03 PM

Treygreen13: The Wii U offers some really exciting new features, but as soon as I opened the box and dumped the contents in my hot tub, the system immediately became unresponsive!


When I took out the memory card, inserted it into my anus for personal satisfaction, and then went to place it back in the unit, I noticed a strong offensive odor! I demand my money back!
 
2012-11-21 03:19:31 PM

Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.


Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?
 
2012-11-21 03:19:35 PM

jso2897: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Depends. If they expose themselves to kids, they should be arrested.


Thus completing the circle of life.
 
2012-11-21 03:21:56 PM
ID-10-T
 
2012-11-21 03:27:41 PM

scottydoesntknow: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I am surprised they didn't have the usual "DO NOT UNPLUG OR REMOVE STORAGE DEVICE DURING [XYZ]" like every other computer system/console in the world. But that's been so ingrained into my mind that I don't unplug anything when it's on unless I absolutely have to.


I've always wondered what would happen if I did unplug it while updating. I've just never had the guts to try it.
 
2012-11-21 03:29:49 PM
At first mine worked fine. It continued to work as I filled it with peanut butter but now, I can access most of the digital content but the optical drive doesn't work. It smells oddly of peanut butter and the fan only turns once in a minute or so.
Also, it isn't completely enclosed- once warm, the peanut butter drains out the bottom and it takes about 30 minutes to scoop it all up and pour it in again.

5/10
 
2012-11-21 03:32:24 PM
Great use of tag.
 
2012-11-21 03:32:37 PM
To clarify, the peanut butter used in my review is Jif Creamy peanut butter. It takes about 18 oz to fill the unit. As with any electronics, use of crunchy peanut butter isn't recommended.

I specifically called Nintendo of America and asked if it was bad to fill the Wii U with crunchy peanut butter and they said that it was insane to do so- so stick to creamy, folks, if you want to keep that warranty.
 
2012-11-21 03:32:38 PM
I should also add that this sort of reactionary garbage is common amongst reviewers. I remember when Fallout 3 came out the first handful of reviews were something like TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE BUGFEST with such game ruining bugs as "a dead deathclaw moved in a funny way". The game did have a few bugs at launch but the reviewers blew it way out of proportion considering the epic scope of the game and the massive undertaking it is to try to get rid of every possible bug in something like that.
 
2012-11-21 03:35:03 PM
Because the power never goes out where you live, subby?

/Things been so bad here, we only update our machines when plugged into a battery backup
 
2012-11-21 03:36:49 PM
Excellent use of Plug tag, Bravo Subby.
 
2012-11-21 03:37:03 PM

Treygreen13: I should also add that this sort of reactionary garbage is common amongst reviewers. I remember when Fallout 3 came out the first handful of reviews were something like TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE BUGFEST with such game ruining bugs as "a dead deathclaw moved in a funny way". The game did have a few bugs at launch but the reviewers blew it way out of proportion considering the epic scope of the game and the massive undertaking it is to try to get rid of every possible bug in something like that.


I'm with you regarding kneejerk reviewers, but you lost me in your defense of Fallout 3. Bethesda has a long track record of abysmal QA going back to the early 1990s.
 
2012-11-21 03:38:25 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?


Three simple steps for you:

2) Call tech support for an unresponsive device that you deliberately farked during an update.
3) Don't lie about how you deliberately farked the device during an update.
4) Be told to wait for the update to complete properly without farking with it.

Why'd I skip step one? Because "1) Tattle to the internets that a device you deliberately farked during an update isn't working as expected" isn't part of the solution.

While not the most user friendly, the update recovery probably works quite well and only happens under worst-case scenarios: Highly unlikely power outage or catastrophic user judgment.

(And seriously, people, if you ever call customer service/tech support/IT, don't skip step three.)
 
2012-11-21 03:39:50 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Treygreen13: I should also add that this sort of reactionary garbage is common amongst reviewers. I remember when Fallout 3 came out the first handful of reviews were something like TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE BUGFEST with such game ruining bugs as "a dead deathclaw moved in a funny way". The game did have a few bugs at launch but the reviewers blew it way out of proportion considering the epic scope of the game and the massive undertaking it is to try to get rid of every possible bug in something like that.

I'm with you regarding kneejerk reviewers, but you lost me in your defense of Fallout 3. Bethesda has a long track record of abysmal QA going back to the early 1990s.


An verily emphatic ^THIS^.

Fallout 3 was an awesome awesome bug-riddled mess. But it WAS bug-riddled, such as the "suicidal NPC's" who would get lost walking their programmed routes and walk off cliffs to their deaths, preventing you from completing missions.

/Still an amazing friggin game.
 
2012-11-21 03:40:44 PM
I'm guessing that by "journalist" they meant "blogger nobody has heard of," but in case they were being serious, I really hope he lost his job over this.
 
2012-11-21 03:40:56 PM

ChaoticLimbs: At first mine worked fine. It continued to work as I filled it with peanut butter but now, I can access most of the digital content but the optical drive doesn't work. It smells oddly of peanut butter and the fan only turns once in a minute or so.
Also, it isn't completely enclosed- once warm, the peanut butter drains out the bottom and it takes about 30 minutes to scoop it all up and pour it in again.

5/10


Sir that is the best review Ive ever read. You are a gentleman and a scholar.

and Treygreen Fallout 3 was literally unplayable and remains so for a large number of people. Its not just minor graphical glitches. Its the game constantly crashing because your computer has more than one core in its cpu http://lmgtfy.com/?q=multi+core+fallout+3

Sometimes if everyone is yelling about something you have to wonder if something isnt going on even if it seems stupid.
 
2012-11-21 03:41:34 PM
Here's what happened: some journalist in America went out and bought a Wii U at midnight launch. He got home and saw the console asked him to perform a system update after he connected to WiFi. And so he sat, looking at the screen for a whole 15 minutes before getting bored and yanking the power cable out of the wall.


NOOO THE MUNCHERS GOT MOE!
 
2012-11-21 03:41:55 PM

Treygreen13: The Wii U offers some really exciting new features, but as soon as I opened the box and dumped the contents in my hot tub, the system immediately became unresponsive!


YOU MEAN IT DOES NOT FLOAT????

/FAIL
 
2012-11-21 03:42:33 PM

scottydoesntknow: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I am surprised they didn't have the usual "DO NOT UNPLUG OR REMOVE STORAGE DEVICE DURING [XYZ]" like every other computer system/console in the world. But that's been so ingrained into my mind that I don't unplug anything when it's on unless I absolutely have to.


We don't know that it didn't. Anyone who would yank the plug out to try and cancel an update is the exact type of moron to ignore that warning.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:59 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews


NSMBU has been getting very good reviews.
 
2012-11-21 03:43:39 PM

Treygreen13: I should also add that this sort of reactionary garbage is common amongst reviewers. I remember when Fallout 3 came out the first handful of reviews were something like TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE BUGFEST with such game ruining bugs as "a dead deathclaw moved in a funny way". The game did have a few bugs at launch but the reviewers blew it way out of proportion considering the epic scope of the game and the massive undertaking it is to try to get rid of every possible bug in something like that.


gamebryo has a metric buttload of issues

/still want fo4 on gamebryo 1.5 or 'creation' as bethesda is fond of calling it
 
2012-11-21 03:47:07 PM
Someone actually bought that console?
 
2012-11-21 03:52:21 PM

farbekrieg: gamebryo has a metric buttload of issues


Unless there was something odd about my system, Fallout 3 had particularly shiatty quality control. It crashed on me quite a lot more than New Vegas did, and by the time I got to Fallout 3 it had been out at least a year so it wasn't just the benefit of a little more time to patch out glitches.

/yanking the plug is dumb but if it actually unrecoverably bricks itself that's still a flaw, even if it's pretty unlikely you lose power at that exact moment
 
2012-11-21 03:55:51 PM
I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
 
kab
2012-11-21 03:57:33 PM
When your customer base is comprised of folks who have bought rehashes of the same Italian plumber game for the past 30 years, it's likely that you can't expect them to have common sense regarding things like firmware updates.
 
2012-11-21 04:00:01 PM

Treygreen13: I should also add that this sort of reactionary garbage is common amongst reviewers. I remember when Fallout 3 came out the first handful of reviews were something like TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE BUGFEST with such game ruining bugs as "a dead deathclaw moved in a funny way". The game did have a few bugs at launch but the reviewers blew it way out of proportion considering the epic scope of the game and the massive undertaking it is to try to get rid of every possible bug in something like that.

It would help if they had bothered to properly test the game, as there were bugs that they had no reasonable excuse to not know about and have fixed, like on the PS3 where any PSN notification would lock up the game until the notification timed out
 
2012-11-21 04:00:17 PM

PsyLord: Someone actually bought that console?


Yes record breaking sales again for Nintendo, those idiots.

They can't do ANYTHING right... noobs.
 
2012-11-21 04:05:53 PM
How exactly is this update being applied? From the sound of it, it is writing the update as it downloads it.. Almost like a copy-paste across a network.. Shouldn't it download a package, confirm package MD5 and then apply it?
 
2012-11-21 04:05:54 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Here's what happened: some journalist in America went out and bought a Wii U at midnight launch. He got home and saw the console asked him to perform a system update after he connected to WiFi. And so he sat, looking at the screen for a whole 15 minutes before getting bored and yanking the power cable out of the wall.


NOOO THE MUNCHERS GOT MOE!


Wait the WiiU launched? News to me.
 
2012-11-21 04:08:15 PM

Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.


seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?
 
2012-11-21 04:09:28 PM

styckx: How exactly is this update being applied? From the sound of it, it is writing the update as it downloads it.. Almost like a copy-paste across a network.. Shouldn't it download a package, confirm package MD5 and then apply it?


Nevermind I finished reading the article now
 
2012-11-21 04:10:51 PM

drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.

To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.
 
2012-11-21 04:12:26 PM
What a retarded article. How many more times can the guy use the phrase 'Big Shot Journalist'?

There is an issue with the WiiU bricking. People have reported it locking up during games or downloading the update, with no way of reseting the system aside from unplugging it. Some of those people have unplugged it since it was the only way to turn it off, and then have had their system fail to power on again.

Whoever wrote this blog post sounds angry that someone is negatively talking about the WiiU and went nuts over a tweet.
 
2012-11-21 04:13:57 PM

ChaoticLimbs: To clarify, the peanut butter used in my review is Jif Creamy peanut butter. It takes about 18 oz to fill the unit. As with any electronics, use of crunchy peanut butter isn't recommended.

I specifically called Nintendo of America and asked if it was bad to fill the Wii U with crunchy peanut butter and they said that it was insane to do so- so stick to creamy, folks, if you want to keep that warranty.


But the cup holder still works, right?
 
2012-11-21 04:15:26 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?


Correct, we're living in the future.
 
2012-11-21 04:15:55 PM
Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update. If you have an update that is forced right out of the box that has any chance whatsoever of rendering the hardware completely inoperative you have to accept some responsibility. It's not like this is optional and it's not like this is in any way, shape or form a fault-tolerant operation.

Boo at Nintendo for forcing the update in the first place, cheers to Nintendo for realizing that this is partially a problem of their own making.
 
2012-11-21 04:16:22 PM

sjmcc13: drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.


I played AD&D since 1st edition... Each edition had it's strengths and weaknesses... The problem I find with 4th edition is that it tries to be too realistic... It is after all supposed to be fantasy... an escape, not a rulemonger's wet dream. I think my favorite edition (yes, I know I will get hate for this) is 2nd Edition. I do however like the addition of skills and Psionics being fixed.
 
2012-11-21 04:17:35 PM
The N64WiiCubeU

kab: When your customer base is comprised of folks who have bought rehashes of the same Italian plumber game for the past 30 years, it's likely that you can't expect them to have common sense regarding things like firmware updates.


The same ones who thought the Wii-U was anything but a rehashed Wii with a over priced LCD controller instead of a magic wand..

More power to Nintendo for selling re-purposed trash to people though..
 
2012-11-21 04:18:14 PM

TheOriginalEd: and Treygreen Fallout 3 was literally unplayable and remains so for a large number of people. Its not just minor graphical glitches. Its the game constantly crashing because your computer has more than one core in its cpu http://lmgtfy.com/?q=multi+core+fallout+3

Sometimes if everyone is yelling about something you have to wonder if something isnt going on even if it seems stupid.


I was referring to the Xbox 360 version, since this is (or at least was) a discussion about console gaming.

However, I remember that particular issue. Of course, I was able to resolve it with the first result on google search, and the community at Fallout Nexus put together a fix for that and a few other minor problems without having to wait for Bethesda to do a full patch. That's part of the reason I prefer PC on pretty much any game other than sports games - if there's an issue with the compatibility of my hardware or I just want to add something new to my game, I can.

Now, it certainly was a problem. But a good reviewer would say "there is currently an issue with multi-core processors and a fix is available" instead of "THIS IS UNPLAYABLE".

The stories of NPCs falling to their death is pretty hilarious. It was still a great game, though.
 
2012-11-21 04:18:19 PM
If you pull the plug on hardware during a firmware update, you are too stupid to use the hardware.
 
2012-11-21 04:19:03 PM

styckx: styckx: How exactly is this update being applied? From the sound of it, it is writing the update as it downloads it.. Almost like a copy-paste across a network.. Shouldn't it download a package, confirm package MD5 and then apply it?

Nevermind I finished reading the article now


Just as a technical side note, they probably do they download, validate and apply. Firmware is fairly easy to brick, though, since the actual update follows a format of erasing the entire firmware, or at least several blocks of it's memory and rewriting it and then validating. Having the firmware lose power during the erase or the write tends to work out rather poorly.
 
2012-11-21 04:21:36 PM

A Shambling Mound: Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update. If you have an update that is forced right out of the box that has any chance whatsoever of rendering the hardware completely inoperative you have to accept some responsibility. It's not like this is optional and it's not like this is in any way, shape or form a fault-tolerant operation.

Boo at Nintendo for forcing the update in the first place, cheers to Nintendo for realizing that this is partially a problem of their own making.


Nintendo has always had Stellar Customer Service... for years on end, since the 80s at least.
 
2012-11-21 04:22:56 PM

TheOriginalEd: and Treygreen Fallout 3 was literally unplayable and remains so for a large number of people. Its not just minor graphical glitches. Its the game constantly crashing because your computer has more than one core in its cpu


It was specific to AMD phenom dual core processors I believe, because AMD likes to ignore standards in favor of optimizations.

Also, you can force fallout 3 to only use one core and sidestep the problem. It's a whole 2 lines in a config file.

/There is a reason AMD chips are cheaper...
 
2012-11-21 04:23:13 PM

A Shambling Mound: Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update.


That's a fair point, except for the fact the update doesn't do that. If it the update fails (cause of a power outage or some twit unplugging it mid-install) it goes into a "safe mode" upon re-boot where it re-downloads and completes the update but only shows a black screen.

Nothing is being bricked by this update.

/Day one updates, while annoying, aren't the end of the world especially since they can be completed in the background.
 
2012-11-21 04:24:55 PM

Treygreen13: The stories of NPCs falling to their death is pretty hilarious. It was still a great game, though


It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.
 
2012-11-21 04:27:36 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Treygreen13: The stories of NPCs falling to their death is pretty hilarious. It was still a great game, though

It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.


I had many more issues with New Vegas than F3. Hell New Vegas is the only game I've played where I literally could not continue because the game would crash upon entering The Strip. I eventually had to go in and edit the save file (on Xbox 360) to add a beret to my inventory. No idea why, but the only way I could go into The Strip was by wearing a beret.
 
2012-11-21 04:28:08 PM

YodaBlues: A Shambling Mound: Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update.

That's a fair point, except for the fact the update doesn't do that. If it the update fails (cause of a power outage or some twit unplugging it mid-install) it goes into a "safe mode" upon re-boot where it re-downloads and completes the update but only shows a black screen.

Nothing is being bricked by this update.

/Day one updates, while annoying, aren't the end of the world especially since they can be completed in the background.


From VentureBeat:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/19/bricked-wii-u-owners-will-have-to-s e nd-their-consoles-to-nintendo-for-repair/

"The system files are fragile during the update process," the customer service agent told me. "If something goes wrong, it will leave the console bricked. You'll have to send it to us."
 
2012-11-21 04:32:11 PM

Raharu: PsyLord: Someone actually bought that console?

Yes record breaking sales again for Nintendo, those idiots.

They can't do ANYTHING right... noobs.


Actually being half serious. When the Wii came out, it was all over the news that there were mad rushes and long lines to get one. However, I didn't hear anything about the Wii U release. In fact, I wasn't even aware that it had been released.
 
2012-11-21 04:33:38 PM

fluffy2097: It was specific to AMD phenom dual core processors I believe, because AMD likes to ignore standards in favor of optimizations.

Also, you can force fallout 3 to only use one core and sidestep the problem. It's a whole 2 lines in a config file.


Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.
 
2012-11-21 04:34:11 PM

Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.


Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.
 
2012-11-21 04:39:03 PM

Treygreen13: Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.


Oh yes. The days of DMA and IRQ errors, and having to resolve them by going into the BIOS and messing with things.

/Did you load EMM386.sys and himem.sys?
//Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:10 PM

fluffy2097: Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.

Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.


An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.
 
2012-11-21 04:41:01 PM

Amper: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?

Three simple steps for you:

2) Call tech support for an unresponsive device that you deliberately farked during an update.
3) Don't lie about how you deliberately farked the device during an update.
4) Be told to wait for the update to complete properly without farking with it.

Why'd I skip step one? Because "1) Tattle to the internets that a device you deliberately farked during an update isn't working as expected" isn't part of the solution.

While not the most user friendly, the update recovery probably works quite well and only happens under worst-case scenarios: Highly unlikely power outage or catastrophic user judgment.

(And seriously, people, if you ever call customer service/tech support/IT, don't skip step three.)


Nothing you said relates to the statement I made or was responding to. He said people who don't know what a system is doing when no UI feedback is provided are stupid. I disagreed. That is all.
 
2012-11-21 04:42:50 PM
i49.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-21 04:43:20 PM

scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.


FTFY
 
2012-11-21 04:43:25 PM

GavinTheAlmighty: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews

NSMBU has been getting very good reviews.


It's been getting OK reviews...not great. Head on over to Metacritic and see for yourself. Yeah, I hate Metacritic, but it's the only way to get a feel for general consensus. And for the new SMB game, that consensus is that it's just pretty good.
 
2012-11-21 04:44:33 PM

I Like Bread: An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.


Sigh... If that were really a reason, why does the Xbox360 version have to split maps into smaller sections, has fewer lights and shadows, smaller textures and and reduced post processing?
 
2012-11-21 04:44:59 PM

I Like Bread: fluffy2097: Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.

Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.

An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.


It has Internet Explorer, so now it can have those 15 tabs of porn!
 
2012-11-21 04:45:23 PM

fluffy2097: Treygreen13: Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.

Oh yes. The days of DMA and IRQ errors, and having to resolve them by going into the BIOS and messing with things.

/Did you load EMM386.sys and himem.sys?
//Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.


I don't even have to go that far back to think of some of the most hilariously frustrating things. Let's spend 4 hours in the DOS Prompt trying to figure out why the install for Descent hangs with zero documentation in a manual or on the internet.

Or even more recently, the night my friend and I excitedly waited for Star Wars: Galaxies to finally open and we sat at the server screen waiting, waiting, waiting for the servers to open up. We just sat there trying to connect for hours and tried to piece together an idea of when they'd be available based on the rumors from the internet and calling our friends to see if they got in. Spoiler alert: they didn't open that day at all.

Now if a game comes out at midnight and if you're not playing at 12:01 the whole thing is a disaster and everyone involved should be fired.
 
2012-11-21 04:46:46 PM

fluffy2097: Lumbar Puncture: It was a great game, and I love it, but I played it on the 360 and it was buggy as hell. It crashed on me several times on the 360, and was the only game I had that problem with, well, aside from some New Vegas.

Well, fallout 3 on PC requires a minimum of 1GB of ram, with 2 preferred, and a graphics card with 512 Mb ram.

An Xbox 360 has 512 megs of ram, shared between system and graphics card...

There had to be a lot of hacking to fit that game into such a small memory space.


Certainly, and I'm not trying to say the game sucked, but there's no way it didn't have bugs on pretty much anything you ran it on. The Gamebryo engine sucked.
 
2012-11-21 04:50:03 PM

Lumbar Puncture: Certainly, and I'm not trying to say the game sucked, but there's no way it didn't have bugs on pretty much anything you ran it on. The Gamebryo engine sucked.


I had a few crashes, a few minor bugs on my PC.

Certainly nothing I would consider "the engine sucking". Some of those crashes WERE frustrating when I hadn't saved in a while...

But I'm starting to sound like a member of the PC gaming master race and that's really not my point.

The Xbox version was ham-stringed in order to run. It was a bad port made worse by limited hardware.
 
2012-11-21 04:52:34 PM
I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.
 
2012-11-21 04:52:40 PM

PsyLord: Actually being half serious. When the Wii came out, it was all over the news that there were mad rushes and long lines to get one. However, I didn't hear anything about the Wii U release. In fact, I wasn't even aware that it had been released.


Then you probably just haven't been paying attention this time around, because it's sold out most places. I don't know if they've fixed the supply issues they had for the original Wii or not, but if not, the Wii U may remain sold out until the Christmas season is over.
 
2012-11-21 05:00:55 PM
He's mad because his hardware didn't get firmware and now it can't perform at all.
 
2012-11-21 05:03:01 PM

YodaBlues: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Treygreen13: I should also add that this sort of reactionary garbage is common amongst reviewers. I remember when Fallout 3 came out the first handful of reviews were something like TOTALLY UNPLAYABLE BUGFEST with such game ruining bugs as "a dead deathclaw moved in a funny way". The game did have a few bugs at launch but the reviewers blew it way out of proportion considering the epic scope of the game and the massive undertaking it is to try to get rid of every possible bug in something like that.

I'm with you regarding kneejerk reviewers, but you lost me in your defense of Fallout 3. Bethesda has a long track record of abysmal QA going back to the early 1990s.

An verily emphatic ^THIS^.

Fallout 3 was an awesome awesome bug-riddled mess. But it WAS bug-riddled, such as the "suicidal NPC's" who would get lost walking their programmed routes and walk off cliffs to their deaths, preventing you from completing missions.

/Still an amazing friggin game.


I played it on PC, and I have to say it was on of the buggiest games I've ever played. The game would lock, the little alarm sound (tweetweetweet) would never stop, dead bodies would float away or continue twitching, and characters would just wander away while you were talking to them.

/saved frequently
 
2012-11-21 05:03:54 PM

sjmcc13: drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.


My group didn't like 4E, and we love pathfinder. Worked for us. Have yet to read a single review. But the consensus for our fellow gamers we meet has been the same. So I'll stick with that. I don't read pen and paper blogs.
 
2012-11-21 05:07:43 PM

Gig103: I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.


I was curious about that as well. My guess is that it is flagged as needing to update, so it does. It probably checks that before it loads the OS so you don't have the UI or any real inputs available to answer the query about should the system update. The query times out, defaults to update and does it.

I've seen boot loaders for EFI that can handle updates to the system, but production versions can't cancel it because the system only has a touch screen which the EFI couldn't handle.

The other question is why there isn't a text mode or vga screen saying that something is occurring rather than just a black screen.
 
2012-11-21 05:10:02 PM

styckx: The N64WiiCubeUkab: When your customer base is comprised of folks who have bought rehashes of the same Italian plumber game for the past 30 years, it's likely that you can't expect them to have common sense regarding things like firmware updates.

The same ones who thought the Wii-U was anything but a rehashed Wii with a over priced LCD controller instead of a magic wand..

More power to Nintendo for selling re-purposed trash to people though..


The Wii was just a Gamecube with a motion control gimmick tacked on, so Nintendo is just doing what worked before. Aside from a handful of games made specifically for motion control, most of the games on the Wii could have been done on the Gamecube console. Look at Twilight Princess. It came out on both consoles, and aside from motion controls (and flipping the game from left to right), there was no discernible differences in graphics, sound, gameplay or content.
 
2012-11-21 05:12:03 PM

HindiDiscoMonster:
I played AD&D since 1st edition... Each edition had it's strengths and weaknesses... The problem I find with 4th edition is that it tries to be too realistic... It is after all supposed to be fantasy... an escape, not a rulemonger's wet dream. I think my favorite edition (yes, I know I will get hate for this) is 2nd Edition. I do however like the addition of skills and Psionics being fixed.


Umm, you never played 4E did you? It is not trying to be to realistic, in no way shape of form does that rule set try to be to realistic. Considering the massive ammount of things that they specifically did not hard code in the rules, or left to have a very simple mechanics to determine success,that was in no way being reaslistic.
You seem to be miss associating it with 3.X in this respect, same ith rulemongers.
 
2012-11-21 05:12:36 PM
I really want to play Zombie U. If only people could buy this console without the intent to put it on Ebay.
 
2012-11-21 05:15:43 PM

fluffy2097: I Like Bread: An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.

Sigh... If that were really a reason, why does the Xbox360 version have to split maps into smaller sections, has fewer lights and shadows, smaller textures and and reduced post processing?


Doesn't make it irrelevant.
Porting isn't exactly a new thing. If I wanted to, say, port Double Dragon to the NES, I'd have to draw all-new sprites and tiles with reduced colors and resolution. Most of what you said are actually among the easiest ways a developer can scale a game these days.
 
2012-11-21 05:18:08 PM

I Like Bread: fluffy2097: I Like Bread: An XBox 360 isn't running Windows 7, nor does it have to factor in 15 tabs of porn open in the background.

Sigh... If that were really a reason, why does the Xbox360 version have to split maps into smaller sections, has fewer lights and shadows, smaller textures and and reduced post processing?

Doesn't make it irrelevant.
Porting isn't exactly a new thing. If I wanted to, say, port Double Dragon to the NES, I'd have to draw all-new sprites and tiles with reduced colors and resolution. Most of what you said are actually among the easiest ways a developer can scale a game these days.


Or you could just take the existing double dragon NES game out and stick in the NES. done.
 
2012-11-21 05:22:43 PM
Now, was it bricking if you interrupted the update somehow, or the download itself? I've seen it both ways, which makes me wonder as to the process the wii U downloads and installs updates.
 
2012-11-21 05:25:20 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?


By learning about the technology that they are emotional attached to so that they won't flip out when it doesn't magically do what they silently wished?

Computers run by the laws of physics, sorry.
 
2012-11-21 05:25:58 PM

sirgrim: I really want to play Zombie U. If only people could buy this console without the intent to put it on Ebay.


My wife won a wii u in the burger king no purchase neccessary contest, I wanted to buy zombiU but it got like a 6.1 on ign, whereas mario bros got a 9.1 and Nintendo land got a 9.5 so I think I know which ones I'll pick up.
 
2012-11-21 05:26:18 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: GavinTheAlmighty: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews

NSMBU has been getting very good reviews.

It's been getting OK reviews...not great. Head on over to Metacritic and see for yourself. Yeah, I hate Metacritic, but it's the only way to get a feel for general consensus. And for the new SMB game, that consensus is that it's just pretty good.


I love the mario games, but something about NSMB doesn't feel right. It's like the jump physics are off compared to other platformers, and double that for other 2d mario games.
 
2012-11-21 05:32:08 PM

sjmcc13: drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.


Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.
 
2012-11-21 05:34:10 PM

Bippal: sjmcc13: drjekel_mrhyde: I have a friend who believes this type of shiat that bloggers say. She never touched Windows 8 but swear up and down it's bad, because that's what bloggers say.
To many people are like that unfortunatly. It happens with everything unless the previous version was hated for some reason (usually small) the cave men who fear change rant about how bad it is, and the drone labourers believe them because they do not have the ability to think for them selves.

No worse then when D&D 4E came out and the "reviews" were nothing but hate filled rants by people who have not even bothered to read the rules and understand the product. and more and more lies by one idiot after another kept getting added together to the point that no one who had not actually tried it, or tracked down information from actual reviews knew anything about it, and did not understand any of the games strengths, and improvements.

My group didn't like 4E, and we love pathfinder. Worked for us. Have yet to read a single review. But the consensus for our fellow gamers we meet has been the same. So I'll stick with that. I don't read pen and paper blogs.


My disappointing with 4e was Gamma World 4e. I thought we were finally going to get a Gamma World worthy of the name and then they go and nerf it with a weird ass card mechanic that everybody hated.
 
2012-11-21 05:34:51 PM

Antimatter: I love the mario games, but something about NSMB doesn't feel right. It's like the jump physics are off compared to other platformers, and double that for other 2d mario games.


Oh man yeah! I could never place my finger on what was off about that game. It's subtle, but the jump physics seem "floaty" and "kinda slow". And there's this sensation after the apex of the jump of falling too quickly (at least compared to what I'm use to in good platformers).
 
2012-11-21 05:36:17 PM
Whoever does that deserves a brick.
 
2012-11-21 05:41:10 PM

Nowhereman: My wife won a wii u in the burger king no purchase neccessary contest, I wanted to buy zombiU but it got like a 6.1 on ign, whereas mario bros got a 9.1 and Nintendo land got a 9.5 so I think I know which ones I'll pick up.


NintendoLand comes with the Deluxe edition which is the one I wanted. Might settle for the regular edition, haven't decided on that yet. Not huge on the latest mario bros games.
 
2012-11-21 05:42:15 PM
Double Fail - Its not really bricked, just downloading and installing the update in a recovery mode
 
2012-11-21 05:43:38 PM

way south: Because the power never goes out where you live, subby?

/Things been so bad here, we only update our machines when plugged into a battery backup


Or you could RTFA.
 
db2
2012-11-21 06:03:36 PM

Jon iz teh kewl: Here's what happened: some journalist in America went out and bought a Wii U at midnight launch. He got home and saw the console asked him to perform a system update after he connected to WiFi. And so he sat, looking at the screen for a whole 15 minutes before getting bored and yanking the power cable out of the wall.


This was me, except I didn't unplug it like a moron. The progress gauge was moving (slowly), so I said screw it, it'll be done by morning, and went to bed.
 
2012-11-21 06:07:29 PM

Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.


I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning. I discourage munchkinism - and 4E is pretty much all munchkin, all the time.
 
2012-11-21 06:15:47 PM

fluffy2097: It was specific to AMD phenom dual core processors I believe, because AMD likes to ignore standards in favor of optimizations.

Also, you can force fallout 3 to only use one core and sidestep the problem. It's a whole 2 lines in a config file.

/There is a reason AMD chips are cheaper...


It does it on my i5 dual core as well. It's not an AMD issue, it's a Bethesda issue.
 
2012-11-21 06:24:01 PM
In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.
 
2012-11-21 06:27:20 PM

madgonad: Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.

I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning. I discourage munchkinism - and 4E is pretty much all munchkin, all the time.


Your class routes were also restricted(unless you brought in house rules) to the point where you really couldn't build a character, just alternates of archtypes. Not surprisingly the rules lawyers in my group loved it.
 
2012-11-21 06:31:41 PM

wildcardjack: In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.


There are ways to do it, but including an instruction like "do not touch this new, expensive and exciting toy you've been eagerly awaiting for the next XX hours, or it may break". That's perfectly acceptable on a rack full of servers, but appallingly stupid thinking on the part of a toy company.
 
2012-11-21 06:53:02 PM

wildcardjack: In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.


I feel I should clarify the situation with respect to the tech developers of the world.

When these things happen, the developers (sw, hw, systems, testers, etc) are often just as pissed as the customers. In many tech companies upper management usually does not listen enough to the engineering side of the company and push schedules beyond their limits, forcing engineering managers to remove features, reduce testing time, etc (i.e. reduce product quality).

Which isn't to say that hitting good release dates isn't a part of the process - sales need to be successful, money made, food put on the table, etc. Most self-respecting developers wish deep down that they could make the best product possible. Sadly sometimes, they just aren't given the chance.
 
2012-11-21 07:49:34 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Still don't see why people are buying it in the first place. The exclusive titles are all getting lackluster reviews and everything else is is available on the other two consoles.


They're really fun, simply put (even if they aren't critical successes)

I only buy 3rd party games on the PC anyways, nobody can beat that
 
2012-11-21 07:54:39 PM

HindiDiscoMonster: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?


shiat happens, I remember when the ps3 first came out, legit patches would brick your system - no power outage or plug yanking required, cod3 would brick your console as well just because'

Wear a helmet
 
2012-11-21 08:15:53 PM

neuroflare: It does it on my i5 dual core as well. It's not an AMD issue, it's a Bethesda issue.


Then apply the 2 line core affinity fix, you putz.

If it doesn't resolve the issue, It's not your CPU that's the problem.

/maybe try actually buying the game
//Or removing your nude mods
///PEBKAC
 
2012-11-21 08:43:43 PM

torusXL: I feel I should clarify the situation with respect to the tech developers of the world.


Also it doesn't necessarily have to be a matter of dropping the ball. Can have something changed on the network side and then it's found it doesn't play nice with the device.
 
2012-11-21 09:35:24 PM

styckx: How exactly is this update being applied? From the sound of it, it is writing the update as it downloads it.. Almost like a copy-paste across a network.. Shouldn't it download a package, confirm package MD5 and then apply it?


The standard model has 8GB of storage and the update is said to be around 5GB.
 
2012-11-21 09:38:40 PM

palan: Gig103: I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.

I was curious about that as well. My guess is that it is flagged as needing to update, so it does. It probably checks that before it loads the OS so you don't have the UI or any real inputs available to answer the query about should the system update. The query times out, defaults to update and does it.

I've seen boot loaders for EFI that can handle updates to the system, but production versions can't cancel it because the system only has a touch screen which the EFI couldn't handle.

The other question is why there isn't a text mode or vga screen saying that something is occurring rather than just a black screen.


That's a good point that the bootloader would run before the application, and I agree it should be putting a message out. Maybe nobody tried to intentionally brick it and so it wasn't caught. We had a last minute update once when someone forgot to test one of the load methods on our product.
 
2012-11-21 09:43:50 PM

Flappyhead: madgonad: Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.

I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning. I discourage munchkinism - and 4E is pretty much all munchkin, all the time.

Your class routes were also restricted(unless you brought in house rules) to the point where you really couldn't build a character, just alternates of archtypes. Not surprisingly the rules lawyers in my group loved it.


I hate rules lawyers. To steal a line from The Gamers: Dorkness Rising - Story trumps rules
 
2012-11-21 09:46:54 PM

Gig103: palan: Gig103: I don't really understand why pulling the plug forces it into an "autopilot mode" while it downloads. The author of this article claims it's because the software was partially updated but that can't be it - I work on bootloaders and BSPs for a living and we wait until the file is completely done, checksum it, and then commit it to flash.

But I'm glad for the clarification that it wasn't bricked.

I was curious about that as well. My guess is that it is flagged as needing to update, so it does. It probably checks that before it loads the OS so you don't have the UI or any real inputs available to answer the query about should the system update. The query times out, defaults to update and does it.

I've seen boot loaders for EFI that can handle updates to the system, but production versions can't cancel it because the system only has a touch screen which the EFI couldn't handle.

The other question is why there isn't a text mode or vga screen saying that something is occurring rather than just a black screen.

That's a good point that the bootloader would run before the application, and I agree it should be putting a message out. Maybe nobody tried to intentionally brick it and so it wasn't caught. We had a last minute update once when someone forgot to test one of the load methods on our product.


You mean the QA guys didn't get all the testing time they wanted? That's just unpossible in today's business world.

/Most annoying man I ever worked with was QA.
//He was damn good at his job. Miss working with the man who made everyone's life hell.
///I don't care if the farking French-Canadian language hasn't been tested, we need to push this farker live.
 
2012-11-21 09:48:30 PM

fluffy2097: Treygreen13: Sometimes I feel like an old man screaming at kids to get off his lawn. Resolving software/hardware conflicts seems like something I've been doing for so long that if somebody tells me they had to *shudder* change a line in an .ini file I can't even muster enough annoyance to be frustrated. I mean, I know it should really work out of the box but I'm not going to lose my mind if something released on 2 consoles and every possible configuration of PC requires me to make a minor change.

I remember spending *days* trying to figure out what was wrong with Spy vs. Spy on Commodore 64, and I think Sam & Max Hit The Road crashed on me 20 times. Still really liked the games.

Oh yes. The days of DMA and IRQ errors, and having to resolve them by going into the BIOS and messing with things.

/Did you load EMM386.sys and himem.sys?
//Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.


Fark you for even bringing up those things. I had just about purged the phrase "IRQ error" from my mind, not to mention himem.sys. Now that you've refreshed them, the memories will continue to torment me.

/Haven't yet read the rest of the thread... read this post and couldn't fight off the irresistible urge to respond
//Did manage to fight off the almost irresistible urge to groan audibly
 
2012-11-21 10:16:17 PM

wildcardjack: In other news, Nintendo shipped an unfinished product to the masses. Shouldn't have needed a firmware update on launch day.


It's their way of getting the end-user to hook up their game console to the internet and accept that the creator can modify the hardware/software at any time because "corporations rule the Earth" and "intelectual poperty rightz lol".
 
2012-11-21 10:39:14 PM

Ponzholio: scottydoesntknow: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I am surprised they didn't have the usual "DO NOT UNPLUG OR REMOVE STORAGE DEVICE DURING [XYZ]" like every other computer system/console in the world. But that's been so ingrained into my mind that I don't unplug anything when it's on unless I absolutely have to.

I've always wondered what would happen if I did unplug it while updating. I've just never had the guts to try it.


I always assumed they told you "in case" it happened. I didn't realize it was a guarantee. I mean, I'm glad everyone here is so machine savvy, I'd hate to be a kid plugging in a brand new Wii U, and having the power go off while waiting for it to get to spec.
 
2012-11-21 10:41:18 PM

moothemagiccow: styckx: How exactly is this update being applied? From the sound of it, it is writing the update as it downloads it.. Almost like a copy-paste across a network.. Shouldn't it download a package, confirm package MD5 and then apply it?

The standard model has 8GB of storage and the update is said to be around 5GB.



If the whole machine only has 25% storage remaining out of the box, that's a bad design. Hell, I doubt I could even find a modern only 8 GB hard drive. Stick a 500Gb laptop drive as a backup memory and be done with it. Sheesh.

My phone used to do this. 170mB onboard drive, nearly completely filled with crapware at the factory. Would consistently give me a low memory error fortnightly, completely ignoring potentially 32GB of new space on the insertable memory card. 

Management makes the oddest design decisions.
 
2012-11-21 10:42:25 PM
Apparently these folks have never owned a Wii before. You always have a major update right after purchase. Always. And yes, they will take a long time, which is great for sitting down and reading the instruction manual, getting yourself familiar with all the components to the unit, etc. Anyone so full of fail that they would turn off their Wii U during a firmware update deserves a bricked machine. Firmware updates on any sort of electronic device are very specific - DO NOT TURN OFF THE DEVICE DURING THE UPDATE.

Wow, some people.
 
2012-11-21 11:32:48 PM

fluffy2097: neuroflare: It does it on my i5 dual core as well. It's not an AMD issue, it's a Bethesda issue.

Then apply the 2 line core affinity fix, you putz.

If it doesn't resolve the issue, It's not your CPU that's the problem.

/maybe try actually buying the game
//Or removing your nude mods
///PEBKAC


Actually I did buy the game, asshat. On Steam running no mods, and no update to the game, nor anything I could find online would fix the crash but switching it to one core. So fark off.
 
2012-11-21 11:38:22 PM

Alphakronik: scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.

FTFY


Thank you for advertising your ignorance of the current state of the software, hardware, internet, and in general anything technical businesses. Your comments will be summarily derided, laughed at, and used for "point out the luddite" drinking games.
 
2012-11-21 11:45:49 PM
I had to leave the house while my Wii U was updating and my 10 year old niece was saying with us that day. I told her not to touch the Wii U, no matter what, just let it finish updating and you can play it when I get home and finish seting it up..... Luckily, she just hit OK when it was finished updating but I was still upset that she touched the system. I lucked out and she didn't do anything to brick it.

/ should have known her grandmother wasn't going to make sure she didn't touch it
// why yes I have been drinking..... *burp*
 
2012-11-21 11:54:14 PM

SteveFU: I had to leave the house while my Wii U was updating and my 10 year old niece was saying with us that day. I told her not to touch the Wii U, no matter what, just let it finish updating and you can play it when I get home and finish seting it up..... Luckily, she just hit OK when it was finished updating but I was still upset that she touched the system. I lucked out and she didn't do anything to brick it.

/ should have known her grandmother wasn't going to make sure she didn't touch it
// why yes I have been drinking..... *burp*


Wow, time for me to stop drinking...
 
2012-11-22 12:07:11 AM

scottydoesntknow: Farking moron.


end of story
 
2012-11-22 12:17:52 AM
First, let me say that I saw the initial complaint by this journalist, and to answer the common question: YES, the console puts a "Do not turn off or remove power supply while updating" message (that's paraphrased, but the gist of the message is made clear) so the reviewer was a complete moron twice over. I'm glad someone stepped up to call him on it.

Okay... My review of the Wii U, fit for Farkers, with some background:

I'm not a big fan of Nintendo. I had an NES, of course, and a SNES, and enjoyed them both as simple gaming solutions compared to my beloved Commodore 64, TurboGrafx-CD/TurboDuo, and Genesis. Like other people in my age category, I started out with Donkey Kong and Mario Bros. in the arcade, and was pleased to see what happened with Super Mario Bros. on the NES.

I also enjoyed a few exclusives on the SNES, most notably Super Metroid, Super Castlevania IV, Super Mario World, and Super Punch-Out. I also liked some third party titles, such as Zombies Ate My Neighbors and Shadowrun, but a lot of games fell short for me as compared to their C64 or IBM PC-DOS counterparts, most notably the role-playing games.

My point here is that I wasn't exactly a Nintendo hater, but I also wasn't a huge Nintendo mega-fan.

I did enjoy the Game Boy, Game Boy Color, and GBA. I even enjoyed the Virtual Boy for a while (though it did give me a horrendous headache sometimes, and I'm fairly certain I became near-sighted because of it. At least, that's the story I'm sticking with. It was the VB, not aging, that ruined my eyesight.)

The N64 came out, and I was not happy with Nintendo's decision to stick with cartridges when CDs were all the rage, and the PSOne (the original) was offering some really great games. Eventually I caved in and got an N64. I played Mario 64, and dinked around with WWF No Mercy, but ultimately gave the console to my nephews for a Christmas present. They loved it. I felt like maybe I had outgrown Nintendo.

Nintendo put out the GameCube. Again, I got one, and played with it for a while, but had a hard time finding games that I considered worth paying for. I gave the GameCube away as a gift as well. Again, the nephews enjoyed the hell out of it.

When the Wii came out, I flat-out refused to get one. The way I saw it, Nintendo was just rehashing their big hits over and over at this point. It was obvious to me that the choice to skip HD was a problem where third-party developers were concerned, and the motion controls would limit the games to a lot of gimmicky, cheap titles. I wasn't far off from the truth of it, either. The Wii seems to have a lot of shovelware, and as a result I never did dive in and get one. I went with the Xbox 360, and later switched to the PS3 (because I was not pleased with Microsoft's insistence that I pay for Live Gold in order to access Netflix-- A service I already paid a subscription for. It was the principle of the matter.)

And that brings us to the Wii U. I was pretty sure I wasn't interested. I mean, after the Wii showed us that third parties were avoiding Nintendo, what was I to think? More Mario games, more Zelda games, no third parties and gimmicky controls, right?

Well, I just happened to be in the right place at the right time, and I got one because it was there, I had the funds, and I knew they would be in demand this season. And I sat on it for a couple days, trying to determine if I wanted to sell it for a little mark-up, or keep it. Finally, after seeing that everyone else in the nation bought one to sell it online, thus driving the price down, the gadget freak in me couldn't resist unpacking the Wii U and playing around with it.

And well... I like it. I tried ZombiU, and really got into it. The screen on the GamePad is a gimmick, but it's a well-utilized gimmick. The game itself lives up to expectations, too, if you like survival horror. Using the GamePad screen to dig through the backpack, scan the area, or check the map is pretty cool, and I like that some sounds (like the radio transmissions from your helper) come through the gamepad, while others come through the TV or sound system. It's a really great game, and the controller adds to the experience.

New Super Mario Bros. U is also pretty cool. It reminds me a lot of the fun I had with Super Mario World on the SNES when I first got it. I suck at Mario games, but this one has a lot to do and mirrors the game on the GamePad, so I can actually turn off the TV and treat it like a portable-yet-full version. Very nifty.

The console itself is decent. The GamePad is bigger than I expected it to be, but it's not clunky or heavy. Setup was easy (and as I said, idiot-proof if you can read). I'm not fond of the lack of Toslink port (my TV doesn't push PCM as surround via optical from HDMI), but otherwise the quality of the connection is decent, offering 1080p on a Nintendo console for the first time. This seems trivial today, but it does mean that the Wii U is going to be able to play current-gen games like Assassin's Creed 3 as well as (or better than) the PS3 and Xbox 360. And third-party games ARE out there this time.

I have the basic set, and while I was concerned about the limited storage space, a little research taught me that I could pop a USB hard drive into the ports in the back of the Wii U and let it format for use as a storage device. Even with the rear USB ports taken, I still have ports left (something I really wish the PS3 would have implemented in the slim model). I'm glad I got the basic set, because reports say the black one collects dust and fingerprints like crazy. Nintendo is even nice enough to include an HDMI cable in the basic kit.

There's a sensor bar for Wii remotes, too. The general idea is that you use the GamePad (that's the one with the screen, camera, gyroscope, microphone and speakers) by itself, or with Wii remotes for other players. This is actually a pretty handy arrangement, allowing for cool game ideas like the GamePad holder being invisible to other players, using his screen to interact while the other players use the TV screen. It also means that the vast supply of inexpensive Wii remotes out there are compatible with the new system, as are the games.

Will I get any Wii games now? Probably not many, but I hear Super Mario Galaxy is good, and I think that since Wii games are going to be pretty cheap now they might be worth checking out.

As a media device, the Wii U impresses me. No, it can't play DVDs or Blu-ray Discs (an unfortunate omission considering the price of the console), but it can stream Netflix, and Hulu Plus, Amazon, and YouTube are coming soon. As a Netflix device it has one of the best interfaces I've ever seen. Your queue and other choices appear on your GamePad screen, and you can scroll through with controls or touch. You can watch on the TV, or on the GamePad screen and the transition between the two is seamless- No pause or stutter. Controls are on the GamePad screen, and you can use the scrubber by swiping to the point in the movie you want to reach.

The GamePad also works as a decent television remote control. As part of the Wii U setup you can sync the remote with your television, and it can control Input Source, volume, and channels.

It's a well-made console, and I think Nintendo is ready to step up and play nice with third parties. There's potential here, and it has made me feel much better about the fact that this is a Nintendo console.

If you do grab one, I highly suggest picking up ZombiU and giving it a fair chance. It's not a typical FPS. It's a really good, moody survival horror adventure, and it will give you a sense of what can be accomplished with the Wii U GamePad in the future. I'm eager to see what other developers do with the GamePad in popular franchises. An Elder Scrolls game with GamePad integration could be epic.
 
2012-11-22 12:26:27 AM
TL;DR version:

The Wii U is better than I thought it would be. The games are clever and the controller is a gimmick, but a well-designed one. ZombiU is worth playing. Netflix is better on the Wii U than on PS3 or Xbox 360. Being able to play Wii games is a bonus you may or may not use. Adding storage is easy.
 
2012-11-22 01:02:27 AM

ZeroCorpse: TL;DR version:

The Wii U is better than I thought it would be. The games are clever and the controller is a gimmick, but a well-designed one. ZombiU is worth playing. Netflix is better on the Wii U than on PS3 or Xbox 360. Being able to play Wii games is a bonus you may or may not use. Adding storage is easy.


You left out B.E.S.U.R.E.T.O.D.R.I.N.K.Y.O.U.R.O.V.A.L.T.I.N.E
 
2012-11-22 01:59:55 AM

Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.


The problem is when the idiots got lawyers.
 
2012-11-22 02:19:34 AM
1. The update is 1.2 gb, not 5gb
2. The system doesn't brick. It goes into "autopilot mode", and if you plug it in it will download the update but will download a black screen. If you leave it on it will eventually update itself
3. Zombi U, NSMB U, and Nintendo Land are completely rad, and several of the other games are solid ports or titles (Tekken, Scribblenauts, CoD, etc). Next year there are some great titles like Pikmin 3, Wonderful 101, Bayonetta 2, Rayman Legends, Aliens Colonial Marines, Lego City, and Monster Hunter
4. The web browser has a higher HTML5 score than Internet Explorer and is better than every other game browser by far
5. The Miiverse is actually one of the coolest video game console interfaces ever. It's fun, social, useful, unobtrusive. It's great
 
2012-11-22 02:37:35 AM
2. The system doesn't brick. It goes into "autopilot mode". If you plug it back in it will download and apply the update but will display a black screen while doing so.

Fixed
 
2012-11-22 04:21:56 AM
OK. SO I played the wiiu and i have to say, i was non impressed. Graphics looked on par w/todays standards (TBH even todays standard look the same as 4yrs ago standard) and overall I was not impressed. I'm wondering if we hit a brick wall for innovation. I cant see next gen consoles get too ahead of the game either since they usually go about halfsies to the specs of today's better pcs. Anywho holding a tablet..controller... Crablet? Tontroller? tablenter? is really awkward, uncomfortable and heavy vs a standard controller, the game I played made the screen/tablet a gimmick feature more then a necessary or an added experience. MEH
 
2012-11-22 05:43:10 AM

sjmcc13: HindiDiscoMonster:
I played AD&D since 1st edition... Each edition had it's strengths and weaknesses... The problem I find with 4th edition is that it tries to be too realistic... It is after all supposed to be fantasy... an escape, not a rulemonger's wet dream. I think my favorite edition (yes, I know I will get hate for this) is 2nd Edition. I do however like the addition of skills and Psionics being fixed.

Umm, you never played 4E did you? It is not trying to be to realistic, in no way shape of form does that rule set try to be to realistic. Considering the massive ammount of things that they specifically did not hard code in the rules, or left to have a very simple mechanics to determine success,that was in no way being reaslistic.
You seem to be miss associating it with 3.X in this respect, same ith rulemongers.


As each edition came out, there were more rules... rules upon rules. rules for rules to apply to rules.... it's like friggin java or something.
 
2012-11-22 05:45:39 AM

AdamK: HindiDiscoMonster: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?

shiat happens, I remember when the ps3 first came out, legit patches would brick your system - no power outage or plug yanking required, cod3 would brick your console as well just because'

Wear a helmet


I am sure that excuse would work for car manufacturers too...

Driving down the road on the highway... BOOM engine drops out... 30 people killed in a massive collision.... manufacturers response: "shiat happens"... lol

somebody is gonna get sued :)

/it's a feature
 
2012-11-22 06:48:25 AM

HindiDiscoMonster: AdamK: HindiDiscoMonster: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

seriously... it's not like we ever have to deal with power outages or anything... amirite?

shiat happens, I remember when the ps3 first came out, legit patches would brick your system - no power outage or plug yanking required, cod3 would brick your console as well just because'

Wear a helmet

I am sure that excuse would work for car manufacturers too...

Driving down the road on the highway... BOOM engine drops out... 30 people killed in a massive collision.... manufacturers response: "shiat happens"... lol

somebody is gonna get sued :)

/it's a feature


brings new meaning to "red ring of death"
 
2012-11-22 07:34:08 AM

ZeroCorpse: WalloftextU


Thanks for the info! I've been waiting for some real info and user experiences on the system before deciding whether to take the plunge or not. Bought the Wii opening day and I swear, I used it maybe twice. Just no decent games I cared about and the motion controls were kind of dumb. Great for parties though, not so much solo experiences.

The only game I've seen so far that has me interested is ZombiU and it's good to hear that the game makes good use of the controller. Probably going to wait until the poachers stop driving the price up before grabbing one though, only one game has really caught my eye and it's kind of hard to justify the purchase.
 
2012-11-22 08:01:41 AM

Treygreen13: TheOriginalEd: and Treygreen Fallout 3 was literally unplayable and remains so for a large number of people. Its not just minor graphical glitches. Its the game constantly crashing because your computer has more than one core in its cpu http://lmgtfy.com/?q=multi+core+fallout+3

Sometimes if everyone is yelling about something you have to wonder if something isnt going on even if it seems stupid.

I was referring to the Xbox 360 version, since this is (or at least was) a discussion about console gaming.

However, I remember that particular issue. Of course, I was able to resolve it with the first result on google search, and the community at Fallout Nexus put together a fix for that and a few other minor problems without having to wait for Bethesda to do a full patch. That's part of the reason I prefer PC on pretty much any game other than sports games - if there's an issue with the compatibility of my hardware or I just want to add something new to my game, I can.

Now, it certainly was a problem. But a good reviewer would say "there is currently an issue with multi-core processors and a fix is available" instead of "THIS IS UNPLAYABLE".

The stories of NPCs falling to their death is pretty hilarious. It was still a great game, though.


Dont be a twat. My entire point was that even if there is a quick fix its still a problem and still bad press, console or pc has nothing to do with it. Just because you think a problem is trivial is no reason to ignore that it exists or call reviews pointing out the issues reactionary garbage.
 
2012-11-22 08:08:58 AM
why does it already need FW update to begin with
 
2012-11-22 08:17:36 AM

ZeroCorpse: Will I get any Wii games now? Probably not many, but I hear Super Mario Galaxy is good, and I think that since Wii games are going to be pretty cheap now they might be worth checking out.


Get Punch Out for Wii. It's a small twist on the formula but it's great. Kirby's Epic Yarn is also a good platformer. Either of these should be $10 used or on sale.

//i've sunk 30 hours into this Xenoblade game and I've only had it a week. getting unhealthy
 
2012-11-22 08:18:17 AM

Leader O'Cola: why does it already need FW update to begin with


Nintendo rushed the OS to market instead of working on it for the last 2 years.
 
2012-11-22 08:20:03 AM

natmar_76: 1. The update is 1.2 gb, not 5gb


Thanks sorry. That's what I read elsewhere and I repeated it.
 
2012-11-22 08:49:18 AM

Lumbar Puncture: YodaBlues: A Shambling Mound: Obviously subby hasn't realized this is a somewhat larger issue than "some blogger no one has ever heard of" bricking his console.

Nintendo is not just replacing his, but anyone's console that gets bricked during the initial update.

That's a fair point, except for the fact the update doesn't do that. If it the update fails (cause of a power outage or some twit unplugging it mid-install) it goes into a "safe mode" upon re-boot where it re-downloads and completes the update but only shows a black screen.

Nothing is being bricked by this update.

/Day one updates, while annoying, aren't the end of the world especially since they can be completed in the background.

From VentureBeat:
http://venturebeat.com/2012/11/19/bricked-wii-u-owners-will-have-to-s e nd-their-consoles-to-nintendo-for-repair/

"The system files are fragile during the update process," the customer service agent told me. "If something goes wrong, it will leave the console bricked. You'll have to send it to us."


It's italian.
 
2012-11-22 12:09:40 PM

ZeroCorpse: Will I get any Wii games now? Probably not many, but I hear Super Mario Galaxy is good, and I think that since Wii games are going to be pretty cheap now they might be worth checking out.


Bully: Scholarship Edition is like GTA set in high school. If you like action games with fun puzzles, try Zack & Wiki (no, they do not make a porno). I'd also recommend Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword, but that's the Zelda fanboy in me talking (he won't stop talking about Zelda whenever he puts it in my butt). There's also Metroid Prime 3, which you can get by itself or packaged as a Trilogy with Prime 1 & 2. Metroid: Other M is okay, but as a Metroid game, it's a huge disappointment (refer to the internet for more details). I recently got the Kirby 20th Anniversary Collection, and it's fantastic. I'm sure there are others, but those are the only games coming to mind right now.
 
2012-11-22 02:50:14 PM

Hebalo: Blargh. 4E was farking brutal. If I want to play WoW, I can do that already. We struggled through about 3 nights, then went back to 3.5. Now we're on Pathfinder, and very happy.

Umm, 4E is not like playing WoW, it could be if you do not read the books and try to forse it to do things it is not designed for, or if you are a ROLL player and not a ROLE player. Being like WoW is the major complaint of peopel who never tried to understand the edition, or forgot how Role playing actually is suppose ot work.

madgonad: I agree. It effectively turned every class into a wizard with various tiers of feats/spells. I favor long engagements with traditional ranged to melee combat with reinforcements. I also didn't like the mandatory nature of always using specific tactics against creature types (always AOF against minions for example). Fighter-types were pretty much gimped from the beginning.


Umm, one of the complaints from people who actually played 4e, unlike you, was that combat was to long. Also fighter types like the fighter and the ranger are amoung the most powerful classes in 4E and were since release (PHB along Ranger and Rogue are the most dangerous classes)

Flappyhead: Your class routes were also restricted(unless you brought in house rules) to the point where you really couldn't build a character, just alternates of archtypes. Not surprisingly the rules lawyers in my group loved it.


Except that you actually had more choices then in previous editions for almost every class and thus more options for customization, and their decision to seperate Fluff (the PHB outright stated re-fluffing things was OK and expected) and Crunch meant developing a character's persionality and background had considerable more room then before.
 
2012-11-22 08:00:44 PM
El Terrible: //Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.

Fark you for even bringing up those things. I had just about purged the phrase "IRQ error" from my mind, not to mention himem.sys. Now that you've refreshed them, the memories will continue to torment me.


You forgot something, there at the end.

DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE.EXE
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6
 
2012-11-22 08:53:15 PM

lordargent: El Terrible: //Try turning the turbo button on and off, some applications don't like it.

Fark you for even bringing up those things. I had just about purged the phrase "IRQ error" from my mind, not to mention himem.sys. Now that you've refreshed them, the memories will continue to torment me.

You forgot something, there at the end.

DEVICE=C:\Windows\HIMEM.SYS
DOS=HIGH,UMB
DEVICE=C:\Windows\EMM386.EXE NOEMS
LH C:\MOUSE\MOUSE.EXE
SET BLASTER=A220 I5 D1 H5 P330 E620 T6


Oh man. Wolfenstein memories.
 
2012-11-22 09:47:54 PM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?


THIS!

/my PS3 has an indicator of when it's updating, you know what I don't do when I see that bar moving? *UNPLUG THE SYSTEM!!*
 
2012-11-22 10:56:29 PM

DarkSoulNoHope: SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Slaxl: ShawnDoc: Bit of poor engineering on Nintendo's part. There are ways to make a device show a status display to indicate the unit isn't bricked and is continuing the update process.

I don't think so. We shouldn't make the world idiot proof. We should laugh at idiots when they expose themselves.

Oh please, without an indicator how the f*ck would you know what the system was doing?

THIS!

/my PS3 has an indicator of when it's updating, you know what I don't do when I see that bar moving? *UNPLUG THE SYSTEM!!*


This! At least if the bar has been frozen for an hour or something you might take a chance. But as long as that thing is slowly ticking, don't touch it.
 
2012-11-23 03:59:21 AM
Is a gigabyte of patch on release day really farking okay these days? And a less than instructive/informative interface about what is happening? This from the company that sells consoles to grannies and housewives?

Jesus.
 
2012-11-23 09:43:20 AM

YodaBlues: ZeroCorpse: WalloftextU

Thanks for the info! I've been waiting for some real info and user experiences on the system before deciding whether to take the plunge or not. Bought the Wii opening day and I swear, I used it maybe twice. Just no decent games I cared about and the motion controls were kind of dumb. Great for parties though, not so much solo experiences.

The only game I've seen so far that has me interested is ZombiU and it's good to hear that the game makes good use of the controller. Probably going to wait until the poachers stop driving the price up before grabbing one though, only one game has really caught my eye and it's kind of hard to justify the purchase.


From the review I've read on it, ZombiU also has asymeticral local multiplayer, with one player using the Gamepad as a zombie overlord, and the other playing a survivor.
 
2012-11-23 04:04:09 PM

Leishu: Alphakronik: scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.

FTFY

Thank you for advertising your ignorance of the current state of the software, hardware, internet, and in general anything technical businesses. Your comments will be summarily derided, laughed at, and used for "point out the luddite" drinking games.


I don't mind a firmware update, but I'll be damned if I'm paying for shiat that needs it day of purchase.

Always wait for 2.0.
 
2012-11-23 04:05:59 PM

gaspode: Is a gigabyte of patch on release day really farking okay these days? And a less than instructive/informative interface about what is happening? This from the company that sells consoles to grannies and housewives?

Jesus.


A late console is only late until it is released.
A bad console is bad fore-- FARK IT, WE CAN PATCH IT LATER!
 
2012-11-24 07:44:28 PM

Alphakronik: Leishu: Alphakronik: scottydoesntknow:

The worst part is Nintendo is sending out consoles that need a firmware update a week after release, instead of getting their shiat right.

FTFY

Thank you for advertising your ignorance of the current state of the software, hardware, internet, and in general anything technical businesses. Your comments will be summarily derided, laughed at, and used for "point out the luddite" drinking games.

I don't mind a firmware update, but I'll be damned if I'm paying for shiat that needs it day of purchase.

Always wait for 2.0.


Every console release and most game releases that have online component in the past 5-6 years have had firmware updates on day one.

Welcome to the future.
 
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