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(Talking Points Memo)   Intent on losing his job as Speaker, Boehner goes to the well one last time: Obamacare must go as part of any fiscal cliff deal   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 81
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2012-11-21 11:23:44 AM  
12 votes:
at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. We can't afford it,

I don't believe the guy who voted in favor of two tax cuts, two wars, and medicare part D has any credibility when it comes to concern over the debt.
2012-11-21 01:00:35 PM  
10 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Obama got reelected with a mandate in the same way as FDR and Clinton did. Boehner lost seats in the House including some Teabagger diehards. False equivalence is false.
2012-11-21 11:56:25 AM  
8 votes:
the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.
2012-11-21 11:02:09 AM  
8 votes:
do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.
2012-11-21 02:21:27 PM  
7 votes:
And this is where Obama says that the public option is back on the table to save money and point out the savings for medicare. This is a negotiation people, get rough!
2012-11-21 12:53:18 PM  
7 votes:
The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.
2012-11-21 12:11:24 PM  
7 votes:

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


I think they want to see how many times they can lose on Obamacare.

They lost when Obama won after campaigning for it.

They lost when it was passed.

They lost in 2010 when they couldn't get a majority to overturn it.

They lost earlier this year when it was deemed Constitutational

and the lost again when Obama was reelected on keeping it.

They've lost 5 times on it already. What is their goal?
2012-11-21 07:54:55 PM  
6 votes:
Boehner: What have I to fear?
Obama: The Democrats. It's what we call ourselves, sort of like a party. "America's Re-elected Executive" type thing.
Boehner: Yes, I've met them.
Obama: Yeah. Takes us a while to get any traction, I'll give you that one but, let's do a head count here: 332 electoral college votes in 27 states, a candidate who couldn't get elected with four BILLION dollars worth of SuperPAC money on his side, the loss of eight seats in the House of Representatives, a Senate that was yours to lose until your nominees decided to turn women into brood-mares for the State, 64 MILLION people of a 61% turnout voting for the Democrat, and you, big fella, you've managed to piss off every single one of them.
Boehner: That was the plan.
Obama: Not a great plan. When the voters blame, and they will, they'll blame Republicans.
Boehner: I have a filibuster.
Obama: We have a Biden.
Boehner: I thought the beast had wandered off.
Obama: You're missing the point. There's no throne. There is no version of this where you come out on top. Maybe the fiscal cliff comes, and maybe it's too much for us, but it's all on you. Because if we can't protect the country, you can be damned well sure we'll avenge it.
2012-11-21 11:23:39 AM  
5 votes:
And this is where Obama should walk away from the table until Boehner withdraws this.
2012-11-21 02:11:25 PM  
4 votes:
With opposition to ObamaCare at 33% and falling, this is the perfect time for the GOP to once again be on the wrong side of a clear demographic trend.
2012-11-21 11:20:34 AM  
4 votes:

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Delusion is a wonderful thing, I suppose.

I think this is all pandering for the base now, trying to show them that, by Golly, the GOP won't take an ass-kicking sitting down! Why, they'll stand right back up and get punched in the jaw again, and again, and again, until those nasty Dems get tired and walk away!

In the end, if no deal is done before Dec. 31st, the GOP takes the blame. And we will remind voters of this over, and over, and over again in the run-up to 2014 mid-term elections. "Who caused your taxes to go up, John and Jane Everyman? Why, it was the GOP, who refused to sit down and actually negotiate a proper deal to prevent a fiscal meltdown. But hey, at least the Bush Tax Cuts expired, so there's that."
2012-11-21 11:20:16 AM  
4 votes:

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


Not sure about the functioning part
2012-11-21 02:26:25 PM  
3 votes:
www.people-press.org

Republicans are economic terrorists.
2012-11-21 02:24:40 PM  
3 votes:
Fine, Democrats should then insist on single payer as part of any fiscal cliff negotiations.
2012-11-21 02:22:34 PM  
3 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


The Republicans only kept the house due to gerrymandering. FFS, they lost seats in the Senate, despite the fact that most of the seats in play were held by Dems. That should tell them (and you) something.
2012-11-21 01:14:39 PM  
3 votes:
Do they not understand that people, in general, want health care reform? And don't want to use visits to the emergency room (thanks, Mitt Romney) as their primary form of health care? I guess not.

They're absolutely determined to sink this country. It's ironic, considering all of their doom and gloom regarding the President's "agenda" to do that. Not that they could possibly be projecting anything....

But I really don't understand their plan. Piss off the entire country, when the blame obviously and openly falls on their own shoulders? How do they see that working out for them?
2012-11-21 01:06:14 PM  
3 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


By 2016 at the latest GOP incumbents will be running campaign ads bragging about delivering access to affordable health care.
2012-11-21 12:13:49 PM  
3 votes:
I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.
2012-11-21 10:53:28 AM  
3 votes:
How does it feel to want, John?

/these guys are delusional
2012-11-21 10:44:00 AM  
3 votes:
The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.
2012-11-22 12:19:16 PM  
2 votes:

Aracnix: It isn't a bad arguement. From a fiscally frugal point of view, he has a point. But this guy cries, whines and disappoints so often with his meager grasp of complexity that it seems impossible to know if that arguement is actually legitimate. What is the real cost of the AMA? Is that short term or long term cost? What's more expensive to the overall economy/health/stability of the nation over the progressive course of time: the up-front cost of the insurance to businesses and consumers, or the cost of healthcare for preventable conditions as the citizenry gets older? Are initial pains and losses worth the eventual gains of the investment in making healthcare accessible to more people? Would a single-payer option have prevented this debate in the first place? Is the AMA acceptable because of its benefits in the face of a looming economic crisis, or is the principle of individual responsibility more important in maintaining the cultural stability of the nation? What is a nation if not the aggregate lives of its citizens?

Lots of questions.


No, he doesn't, and Boehner has no idea what he's talking about. If Boehner were even slightly informed, he'd love the ACA because it cuts the deficit by over $100 billion over the next decade, and several hundred billion dollars more in the following decade. Is Boehner's argument that we can't afford to reduce the budget shortfall? Is Boehner's argument that he intends to cut the deficit by making the deficit worse? Boehner's neocon talking points are at odds with reality. No, there aren't lots of questions which haven't been answered. It's just that the neocons have rejected the fact-based world, and substituted their own.
2012-11-22 09:35:16 AM  
2 votes:
Here's the real problem,

The Republicans have been on a long, downhill slide over the last 20 to 30 years to the right. It started in the early 1980's with the Religious Right and Ronald Reagans landslide election. It got worse, slowly but surely.

The groundswell of support for George W. Bush after 9/11 was a crystalizing moment, when they thought they ruled America unchecked, and forever. It was like their dreams had come true.

In 2003 Karl Rove rather famously said the plan was for a "Permanent Republican Majority", where the Republican Party controlled the Presidency, a fillibuster-proof supermajority of the Senate, and the House for a generation or more, decades of one-party rule. Democratic politicians would be a vestigial minority representing a handful of incurably "blue" constituencies such as San Francisco and Boston, with no real power in Congress since anything they would say or do would be bowled over by the Republican supermajorities acting in unison.

In 2004, Grover Norquist said that he hoped that soon, Democratic Politicians would be "delivering pizzas" because that's the only job a former Democratic Congressman would be able to get because of the universal stigma and shame of having been an elected Democratic politician.

They got enthralled with the idea of America as a one-party state, with the Republicans being that Party. Unelected party bosses like Norquist and Rove would set policy for the nation, which would be blindly rubber-stamped by the elected puppets of The Party, and the people would be told what to think and believe via FOX News. Elections would exist only to routinely validate the rule of The Party, the outcomes would never be in doubt.

They want that. Not bipartisanship, not democracy, not a Republic, they want a one-party state with them as the one party. They are still stuck in that mentality, that somehow they think thats what the people want, that's what they crave. . .if only they could just somehow make it happen.

This idea that no matter how much they lose on election day, they still have a "mandate" to follow their party line, that no matter how many times their policy plans like repealing the ACA face defeat at the ballot box (and courts), they just do it over again.

The Tea Party movement just made things worse, they helped purge from The Party those politicians who were moderates, who still believed in compromise, in pragmatism, in moderation.

Don't expect bipartisanship, or any level of cooperation from the Republicans, not from the Republican Party of the 21st century, it just wants wants crypto-fascist rule of the US as a one-party state, nothing less.
2012-11-21 04:50:00 PM  
2 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


This is very true -- here in Canada, even the most right wing conservatives won't go near the topic of reducing or limiting public health care. It's political suicide. The guy who brought about public health care in Canada is fairly universally recognized as the greatest Canadian to ever have ever lived. Tommy Douglas. And he was as left as one can get in politics here and still get any votes.

This, I'm sure, terrifies the GOP (or at least those aware of it).

They have a very short window to kill it before it becomes permanently entrenched. And it seems they know it.
If they don't kill it, they worry (rightly) that Obama will be remembered with Washington and Lincoln as one of the truly great Presidents.

And Obama's second term makes it virtually impossible to kill. Welcome to the rest of the industrialized world Americans. With a little more work, you'll have single payer, and be able to join the ranks of civilized society. (Ok, that may be stretching things a bit, I admit.)
2012-11-21 04:48:41 PM  
2 votes:
i.imgur.com
2012-11-21 02:36:38 PM  
2 votes:
REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES AMERICANS HEALTHCARE

Domestic terrorists the lot of them.
2012-11-21 02:27:54 PM  
2 votes:

Somacandra: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.

Obama got reelected with a mandate in the same way as FDR and Clinton did. Boehner lost seats in the House including some Teabagger diehards. False equivalence is false.


Not only that, Republicans lost the popular vote. Only gerrymandering let them keep the seats they managed to hold. If they decide to take the economy over the cliff, they will be held responsible. Remember, Obama has offered to sign a Senate-sponsored bill that keeps the tax cuts in place for up to the first $250,000 everyone earns. If the Republicans refuse to approve that bill, then they are responsible for more than just raising taxes on just the poor and the middle class. They are refusing to lower taxes for the wealthy, too. If I made a half-a-million dollars a year, I would prefer that taxes be lower on half my income than raised on my entire income.
2012-11-21 01:50:05 PM  
2 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: I inferred the opposite. "Got into office" by beating Bush, stayed in office by beating Dole.


We just inadvertently demostrated how sectarian religious wars start.
2012-11-21 12:52:09 PM  
2 votes:
Somebody needs to go to Ohio and talk to the FARKING MORONS that keep re-electing this asswipe.
vpb [TotalFark]
2012-11-21 12:33:21 PM  
2 votes:
He doesn't think it will work, he is just working on his image in the party.
2012-11-21 11:24:09 AM  
2 votes:

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


Nope. My father was far more reasonable on his worse day than this toolbox.
2012-11-21 11:19:04 AM  
2 votes:
Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.
2012-11-21 10:58:57 AM  
2 votes:

Grand_Moff_Joseph: one last time.


it won't be the last time. they will move to repeal it at least 2 dozen more times.
2012-11-21 10:45:41 AM  
2 votes:
yeah, good luck with that.
2012-11-22 06:15:27 AM  
1 votes:
Add "Butthurt" to the list of terms "conservatives" don't know the meaning of...
2012-11-22 04:27:57 AM  
1 votes:
I heard that the tax increases on the rich will only pay for an additional 8 days per yr of government spending. Is this true? If so, and if no one is willing to make meaningful spending cuts, then we're farked. Subby's headline is right, but that won't help our debt crisis.
2012-11-22 12:29:09 AM  
1 votes:

NateGrey: [static3.businessinsider.com image 612x612]

Miss me yet?


no.
2012-11-21 08:18:30 PM  
1 votes:

NateGrey: [static3.businessinsider.com image 612x612]

Miss me yet?


NO
2012-11-21 06:38:59 PM  
1 votes:

quickdraw: The insurance lobby has bought and paid for Boehner. They paid him to keep farking that chicken. He can't stop even if he desperately wants to.


The insurance company benefitted from Obamacare more than anyone else, including the citizens. Basically, obamacare requires people to get insurance. How can that hurt the insurance companies? They're basically going to add 30-90 million more customers.
2012-11-21 06:28:27 PM  
1 votes:
The insurance lobby has bought and paid for Boehner. They paid him to keep farking that chicken. He can't stop even if he desperately wants to.
2012-11-21 06:04:14 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


ObamaCare was passed into law. It survived a Supreme Court challenge. Campaigning on repealing ObamaCare failed miserably. Billionaire business owners firing people for phantom ObamaCare costs have only hurt their own image.

So if the Republicans want to charge that line again, I encourage them to do so. We'll write an epic poem for them.
2012-11-21 05:23:38 PM  
1 votes:
Yes, GOP, keep fighting to take away the law that gives me access to the drugs I need to stay alive... then keep complaining about how I should be happier if you took those same tax dollars and spent them on another war with Iran instead. Keep trying to peddle that BS and see how many elections you win.
2012-11-21 05:13:17 PM  
1 votes:

CynicalLA: You have to make the Tea Tards happy.


They're not going to be happy as long as the president is black.
2012-11-21 05:03:07 PM  
1 votes:
i935.photobucket.com
The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
2012-11-21 04:48:09 PM  
1 votes:

NateGrey: [www.people-press.org image 294x347]

Republicans are economic terrorists.


Difficulty: The GOP spent the entire campaign ignoring or denying polls showing their guy losing.
2012-11-21 04:43:11 PM  
1 votes:

fuhfuhfuh: Probably not. Chances are their unskewed polling tells them that should the shiat hit the fan, the public will blame Obama and not them. Also, the same polling tells them that the nation opposes the ACA, so they will only shine as winners if they continue to oppose it.


hahahahaha
THIS
You totally nailed THIS.
The GOP have been living in a self-supporting delusion for so long now, that reality clearly can not be real. THAT IS CRAZY TALK!!!
2012-11-21 04:34:14 PM  
1 votes:

dumbobruni: Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.

clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked


Do it. I'll grit my teeth until the last Republican Congressman is dangling from a lampost.
2012-11-21 04:28:59 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


Didnt your guy campaign on repealing and replacing on day 1?

How did the American people like that?
2012-11-21 04:27:34 PM  
1 votes:

More_Like_A_Stain: ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.

I don't have him farkied as an idiot. I have him farkied as a moran.


Are you sure you're giving him too much credit? A moran is someone with a mental age of 8 - 12 years, An idiot has a mental age of 3 or less.
2012-11-21 04:23:12 PM  
1 votes:

ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.


I don't have him farkied as an idiot. I have him farkied as a moran.
2012-11-21 04:17:43 PM  
1 votes:
2012-11-21 04:15:32 PM  
1 votes:

CPennypacker: ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.

That's not true. Some of us have never seen him before.


And some of us have never felt it worth the click.
2012-11-21 03:58:02 PM  
1 votes:

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it


Yeah, it's amazing that we think so, when only 33% of Americans are for repealing it.

How weird is that?
2012-11-21 03:50:30 PM  
1 votes:
1) Repeal ACA
2) Old white people in the obesity belt die sooner than if they had coverage
3) GOP loses more elections

I don't think they thought their cunning plan through
2012-11-21 03:50:16 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?


Even when Republicans lose they think they won.

What is it with you people.
2012-11-21 03:47:48 PM  
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


But they KEPT the HOUSE, so OBVIOUSLY that's a MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE
2012-11-21 03:42:25 PM  
1 votes:

david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?


GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.
2012-11-21 03:34:43 PM  
1 votes:

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


I've said this before; but if the US eventually moves towards the Canadian model of delivering health care, and it's politically popular (*don't see why it wouldn't be), I would be shocked if the Republicans DON"T try to take credit for it...

/ "saving small businesses from unreasonable health care costs"
// " making health care leaner and more efficient"
2012-11-21 03:13:22 PM  
1 votes:

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


you say "functioning alcoholic" as if that's a bad thing
2012-11-21 03:13:03 PM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?

Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.

Every day it doesn't get overturned is a day people get to experience and understand more of what the bill actually does. Every day the prospects of overturn get worse. Its as overturnable now as it will ever be.

Improbable. Short term gains stemming from adding more people to the pool and limiting overhead will gradually be overshadowed by upward price pressures eventually taking healthcare back to a slow boiling crisis and forcing the .gov to take another crack at doing something sensible about the issue.

Though I suppose I would agree that it is unlikely to ever be "repealed" per-se. Simply rendered irrelevant by further legislation.


I'd agree to this. I'm pretty sure single payer will replace is eventually. At this point we're hanging on the precpice of progress basically waiting for enough of the people holding us back to die.
2012-11-21 03:03:17 PM  
1 votes:
you failed your only goal of a one term president, try setting a new goal and actually accomplishing something or enjoy being in the history books as Speaker Boner the most useless fark in Congressional history
2012-11-21 03:02:45 PM  
1 votes:

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


Liberals 2010: Hey, I have an idea! Let's teach Obama a lesson by sitting out a midterm election in a census year! What could possibly go wrong?
2012-11-21 03:00:41 PM  
1 votes:

GAT_00: And this is where Obama should walk away from the table until Boehner withdraws this.


THIS.

"I'm not up for re-election in two years. Why don't you guys think about that and get back to me when you're serious?"
2012-11-21 02:57:37 PM  
1 votes:

Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?

Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.


Every day it doesn't get overturned is a day people get to experience and understand more of what the bill actually does. Every day the prospects of overturn get worse. Its as overturnable now as it will ever be.
2012-11-21 02:47:46 PM  
1 votes:

Notabunny: Fluorescent Testicle: elchip: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Boehner, his cheeks stained with tears, his bottle stained with tanner.

Ryan, when his butt hurt


Mitt at the gas station, his shirt wrinkled, his hair disheveled
2012-11-21 02:28:06 PM  
1 votes:
Obama won in 2008 on the idea of reforming healthcare. Obama won in 2012 with his reforms in place. Obviously, the people have given the GOP a mandate to gut those reforms. This is what oompa loompas actually believe.
2012-11-21 02:26:08 PM  
1 votes:
They are desperate to stop Obamacare before its big provisions go into effect. After that, it will be so popular that the GOP will be farked for a generation.
2012-11-21 02:22:45 PM  
1 votes:
"So, we lost the election by a 332 - 206 margin, despite our candidate running for the office for 6 solid years. And we lost even more seats in the Senate. What do we do now?!?"

Issue our demands for their immediate surrender! We have them just where we want them!


There is no such thing as a reasonable Republican. Not anymore, there's not.
2012-11-21 02:22:36 PM  
1 votes:
Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.
2012-11-21 02:15:35 PM  
1 votes:
Does anyone need anymore evidence that these swine have no intention of compromising with this president in an honest manner?
2012-11-21 02:15:00 PM  
1 votes:

elchip: Shaka, when the walls fell.


Boehner, his cheeks stained with tears, his bottle stained with tanner.
2012-11-21 02:12:15 PM  
1 votes:
Even when these guys get that portal into reality from the bubble, they still believe the bubble is the truth.

This is like those painful accidental-time-travel movies where the main character takes forever to realize he's not in his own time.
2012-11-21 02:12:09 PM  
1 votes:
Didn't he say not a month ago that the GOP had to give up on repealing ACA?
2012-11-21 02:11:54 PM  
1 votes:
i48.photobucket.com

Surprised there's not fake tanning spray smeared all over them.
2012-11-21 02:10:51 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Except that Boehner isn't dumb enough to actually believe that. Not sure about you, though.
2012-11-21 01:49:28 PM  
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kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.


I know the issue was probably the 1992 election, but had Dole received 100% of the votes not cast for Clinton, he would have won. Perot was not the only third party candidate around -- so Clinton did not get 50% of the vote in Arizona, Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Washington and Wisconsin, but he did win those states without an absolute majority. Give Dole all of those votes and he wins the popular vote and the electoral college 308-230.

Of course, people voting for Nader are unlikely to vote for Dole (etc.), so that's really just an academic exercise.

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2012-11-21 01:32:42 PM  
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: He didn't beat Dole to get into office


I assumed the reference was to the 2nd term re-election so that was what I looked at.
2012-11-21 01:30:50 PM  
1 votes:

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.


He didn't beat Dole to get into office, but Perot's supporters would have had to break for GHW Bush at about a 2/3 rate to make up the ground over Clinton.

It's a Republican fantasy that's been around since, oh, about 1992 or so that a fairly unpopular Bush would have somehow defeated a rising Clinton in a one-on-one fight, if not for that meddling Perot!

This exists in the same world where Clinton was like the most liberal guy ever.
2012-11-21 01:18:38 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.
2012-11-21 12:55:59 PM  
1 votes:

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Really? I thought it was just more of the same obstructionism.
2012-11-21 12:49:35 PM  
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hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


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2012-11-21 11:17:38 AM  
1 votes:

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Retreat? In their moment of triumph?
 
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