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(Talking Points Memo)   Intent on losing his job as Speaker, Boehner goes to the well one last time: Obamacare must go as part of any fiscal cliff deal   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 325
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2012-11-21 10:44:00 AM  
The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.
 
2012-11-21 10:45:41 AM  
yeah, good luck with that.
 
2012-11-21 10:52:14 AM  
Honestly, despite the damage to the economy, it would almost be fun to watch the blowback the GOP gets for sinking the fiscal cliff deals to fight HCR one last time.
 
2012-11-21 10:53:23 AM  
[facepalm.jpg]
 
2012-11-21 10:53:28 AM  
How does it feel to want, John?

/these guys are delusional
 
2012-11-21 10:55:16 AM  
LOLOLOLOL
 
2012-11-21 10:58:57 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: one last time.


it won't be the last time. they will move to repeal it at least 2 dozen more times.
 
2012-11-21 11:02:09 AM  
do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.
 
2012-11-21 11:17:38 AM  

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Retreat? In their moment of triumph?
 
2012-11-21 11:18:47 AM  
i47.tinypic.com
 
2012-11-21 11:19:04 AM  
Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.
 
2012-11-21 11:20:16 AM  

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


Not sure about the functioning part
 
2012-11-21 11:20:34 AM  

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Delusion is a wonderful thing, I suppose.

I think this is all pandering for the base now, trying to show them that, by Golly, the GOP won't take an ass-kicking sitting down! Why, they'll stand right back up and get punched in the jaw again, and again, and again, until those nasty Dems get tired and walk away!

In the end, if no deal is done before Dec. 31st, the GOP takes the blame. And we will remind voters of this over, and over, and over again in the run-up to 2014 mid-term elections. "Who caused your taxes to go up, John and Jane Everyman? Why, it was the GOP, who refused to sit down and actually negotiate a proper deal to prevent a fiscal meltdown. But hey, at least the Bush Tax Cuts expired, so there's that."
 
2012-11-21 11:23:39 AM  
And this is where Obama should walk away from the table until Boehner withdraws this.
 
2012-11-21 11:23:44 AM  
at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. We can't afford it,

I don't believe the guy who voted in favor of two tax cuts, two wars, and medicare part D has any credibility when it comes to concern over the debt.
 
2012-11-21 11:24:09 AM  

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


Nope. My father was far more reasonable on his worse day than this toolbox.
 
2012-11-21 11:56:25 AM  
the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.
 
2012-11-21 12:11:24 PM  

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


I think they want to see how many times they can lose on Obamacare.

They lost when Obama won after campaigning for it.

They lost when it was passed.

They lost in 2010 when they couldn't get a majority to overturn it.

They lost earlier this year when it was deemed Constitutational

and the lost again when Obama was reelected on keeping it.

They've lost 5 times on it already. What is their goal?
 
2012-11-21 12:13:49 PM  
I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.
 
2012-11-21 12:23:23 PM  

mrshowrules: They've lost 5 times on it already. What is their goal?


didn't they also lose like 33 separate votes to over turn it?
 
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2012-11-21 12:33:21 PM  
He doesn't think it will work, he is just working on his image in the party.
 
2012-11-21 12:37:57 PM  

ManateeGag: mrshowrules: They've lost 5 times on it already. What is their goal?

didn't they also lose like 33 separate votes to over turn it?


The house voted to overturn it several times but it was all grandstanding since it would never have traction in the senate.
 
2012-11-21 12:39:50 PM  
BRB, buying a parachute for when we now certainly will go over the fiscal cliff due to Boehner's boner.

img.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-21 12:42:04 PM  
Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...
 
2012-11-21 12:46:42 PM  

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


Things you can say about politicians, but not your wife?
 
2012-11-21 12:49:35 PM  

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


images1.wikia.nocookie.net

Khan Noonien Singh (R). Alpha Ceti V
 
2012-11-21 12:52:09 PM  
Somebody needs to go to Ohio and talk to the FARKING MORONS that keep re-electing this asswipe.
 
2012-11-21 12:53:18 PM  
The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.
 
2012-11-21 12:54:31 PM  
Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.
 
2012-11-21 12:55:59 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Really? I thought it was just more of the same obstructionism.
 
2012-11-21 12:56:16 PM  
i.imgur.com 

/Q&D
//Keynote and Preview only
 
2012-11-21 12:57:06 PM  

sammyk: Really? I thought it was just more of the same obstructionism.


When you are the party out of power that's all you got.
 
2012-11-21 12:58:12 PM  
I'd like to put Boehner's head on the block as something that can be removed as part of the discussions.
 
2012-11-21 01:00:35 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Obama got reelected with a mandate in the same way as FDR and Clinton did. Boehner lost seats in the House including some Teabagger diehards. False equivalence is false.
 
2012-11-21 01:05:27 PM  
What an Oenis this guy is, jesus
 
2012-11-21 01:06:14 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


By 2016 at the latest GOP incumbents will be running campaign ads bragging about delivering access to affordable health care.
 
2012-11-21 01:07:26 PM  

Somacandra: Clinton did


Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.
 
2012-11-21 01:10:14 PM  
Will help more than hurt his chances of remaining Speaker.
The Tea Party Republicans still get to vote on that, you know.
 
2012-11-21 01:12:41 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


hehehehehe that's so cute
cause what's his name would have gotten 100% of that other guys votes?
LOL
 
2012-11-21 01:14:39 PM  
Do they not understand that people, in general, want health care reform? And don't want to use visits to the emergency room (thanks, Mitt Romney) as their primary form of health care? I guess not.

They're absolutely determined to sink this country. It's ironic, considering all of their doom and gloom regarding the President's "agenda" to do that. Not that they could possibly be projecting anything....

But I really don't understand their plan. Piss off the entire country, when the blame obviously and openly falls on their own shoulders? How do they see that working out for them?
 
2012-11-21 01:18:38 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.
 
2012-11-21 01:24:56 PM  

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


I think Boehner may actually have a loaded God complex.
 
2012-11-21 01:26:57 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. We can't afford it,

I don't believe the guy who voted in favor of two tax cuts, two wars, and medicare part D has any credibility when it comes to concern over the debt.


Can we stick hero tags on comments?
 
2012-11-21 01:27:50 PM  

Sybarite: hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...

I think Boehner may actually have a loaded God complex.



and it's about time for him to cock it and pull it?
 
2012-11-21 01:30:50 PM  

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.


He didn't beat Dole to get into office, but Perot's supporters would have had to break for GHW Bush at about a 2/3 rate to make up the ground over Clinton.

It's a Republican fantasy that's been around since, oh, about 1992 or so that a fairly unpopular Bush would have somehow defeated a rising Clinton in a one-on-one fight, if not for that meddling Perot!

This exists in the same world where Clinton was like the most liberal guy ever.
 
2012-11-21 01:32:42 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: He didn't beat Dole to get into office


I assumed the reference was to the 2nd term re-election so that was what I looked at.
 
2012-11-21 01:36:02 PM  
What the flying f*ck is wrong with this guy?
 
2012-11-21 01:36:04 PM  

kronicfeld: I assumed the reference was to the 2nd term re-election so that was what I looked at.


I inferred the opposite. "Got into office" by beating Bush, stayed in office by beating Dole.
 
2012-11-21 01:43:30 PM  
Keep f*cking that chicken 4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-21 01:49:28 PM  

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.


I know the issue was probably the 1992 election, but had Dole received 100% of the votes not cast for Clinton, he would have won. Perot was not the only third party candidate around -- so Clinton did not get 50% of the vote in Arizona, Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Washington and Wisconsin, but he did win those states without an absolute majority. Give Dole all of those votes and he wins the popular vote and the electoral college 308-230.

Of course, people voting for Nader are unlikely to vote for Dole (etc.), so that's really just an academic exercise.

Yes, I'm bored. The stats are from here
 
2012-11-21 01:50:05 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: I inferred the opposite. "Got into office" by beating Bush, stayed in office by beating Dole.


We just inadvertently demostrated how sectarian religious wars start.
 
2012-11-21 02:06:07 PM  
Thanks to gerrymandering these no talent ass clowns still have the House and are intent on not doing anything whatsoever to improve the country. Awesome. Although I'm sure there will be plenty of fetus & vajayjay legislation
 
2012-11-21 02:06:41 PM  
Then counter that the healthcare bill is as good as gone as long as the Speaker will go on record supporting a 100% ban of all firearms.

/Two can play politics
 
2012-11-21 02:08:05 PM  

kronicfeld: We just inadvertently demostrated how sectarian religious wars start.


lol
 
2012-11-21 02:08:33 PM  

MrBallou: [i47.tinypic.com image 425x260]


inlinethumb59.webshots.com
 
2012-11-21 02:09:41 PM  
There are those who learn by deduction.
There are those that learn from observation.
There are those that have to piss on the electric fence for themselves.
And then there is the house GOP.
 
2012-11-21 02:09:46 PM  
Shaka, when the walls fell.
 
2012-11-21 02:10:04 PM  
So basically the GOP's plan to fix the budget is tax cuts for the 1%? Didn't see that coming.
 
2012-11-21 02:10:51 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Except that Boehner isn't dumb enough to actually believe that. Not sure about you, though.
 
2012-11-21 02:11:25 PM  
With opposition to ObamaCare at 33% and falling, this is the perfect time for the GOP to once again be on the wrong side of a clear demographic trend.
 
2012-11-21 02:11:54 PM  
i48.photobucket.com

Surprised there's not fake tanning spray smeared all over them.
 
2012-11-21 02:12:09 PM  
Didn't he say not a month ago that the GOP had to give up on repealing ACA?
 
2012-11-21 02:12:15 PM  
Even when these guys get that portal into reality from the bubble, they still believe the bubble is the truth.

This is like those painful accidental-time-travel movies where the main character takes forever to realize he's not in his own time.
 
2012-11-21 02:13:45 PM  
Dear GOP: You start with a high bid, and aim for a bit lower by making small concessions.

You don't increase your demands. Holy shiat.
 
2012-11-21 02:14:06 PM  
Hey, the super rich will still be able to afford health care without Obamacare, so what's the big deal?
 
2012-11-21 02:14:55 PM  
These farktards DO realize that most Americans will blame THEM, not Obama, if we go over the fiscal cliff, right?
 
2012-11-21 02:15:00 PM  

elchip: Shaka, when the walls fell.


Boehner, his cheeks stained with tears, his bottle stained with tanner.
 
2012-11-21 02:15:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: It's a Republican fantasy that's been around since, oh, about 1992 or so that a fairly unpopular Bush would have somehow defeated a rising Clinton in a one-on-one fight, if not for that meddling Perot!


They say it as if it were a completely random occurrence that a third party candidate did very well that year relative to other modern elections. Had nothing to do with the major party candidates and political environment.
 
2012-11-21 02:15:34 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


THE REPUBLICANS LOST SEATS.
 
2012-11-21 02:15:35 PM  
Does anyone need anymore evidence that these swine have no intention of compromising with this president in an honest manner?
 
2012-11-21 02:16:37 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.


Tell me when we get to the "Get the shotgun and take them back behind the barn" step.
 
2012-11-21 02:17:36 PM  

LordJiro: These farktards DO realize that most Americans will blame THEM, not Obama, if we go over the fiscal cliff, right?


Probably not. Chances are their unskewed polling tells them that should the shiat hit the fan, the public will blame Obama and not them. Also, the same polling tells them that the nation opposes the ACA, so they will only shine as winners if they continue to oppose it.
 
2012-11-21 02:17:39 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


And Obama's electoral landslide and the Democrats making a measurable gain in the house and keeping the Senate is proof that they do want it.
 
2012-11-21 02:19:49 PM  
i745.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-21 02:20:36 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: elchip: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Boehner, his cheeks stained with tears, his bottle stained with tanner.

 

zombierobots.net
 
2012-11-21 02:20:59 PM  
media.screened.com

Alright, new plan. Give me twenty dollars and I'll return my toe.
 
2012-11-21 02:21:09 PM  
Dissolve Congress
 
2012-11-21 02:21:27 PM  
And this is where Obama says that the public option is back on the table to save money and point out the savings for medicare. This is a negotiation people, get rough!
 
2012-11-21 02:21:57 PM  
You have to make the Tea Tards happy.
 
2012-11-21 02:22:34 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


The Republicans only kept the house due to gerrymandering. FFS, they lost seats in the Senate, despite the fact that most of the seats in play were held by Dems. That should tell them (and you) something.
 
2012-11-21 02:22:36 PM  
Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.
 
2012-11-21 02:22:45 PM  
"So, we lost the election by a 332 - 206 margin, despite our candidate running for the office for 6 solid years. And we lost even more seats in the Senate. What do we do now?!?"

Issue our demands for their immediate surrender! We have them just where we want them!


There is no such thing as a reasonable Republican. Not anymore, there's not.
 
2012-11-21 02:23:28 PM  

GAT_00: And this is where Obama should walk away from the table until Boehner withdraws this.


Pull out his car keys and walk out of the show room.
 
2012-11-21 02:23:51 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.


And deep cuts to medicare/medicaid
 
2012-11-21 02:23:53 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: sammyk: Really? I thought it was just more of the same obstructionism.

When you are the party out of power that's all you got.


HAHA

Your tears are awesome. Cry moar Republicans.
 
2012-11-21 02:24:11 PM  
Go for it, Johnny! Obama will just let sequestration happen, and then y'all will be stuck.
 
2012-11-21 02:24:40 PM  
Fine, Democrats should then insist on single payer as part of any fiscal cliff negotiations.
 
2012-11-21 02:24:47 PM  

Somacandra: [i.imgur.com image 850x584] 

/Q&D
//Keynote and Preview only


That's so Q&D that I think it gave me herpes
 
2012-11-21 02:26:08 PM  
They are desperate to stop Obamacare before its big provisions go into effect. After that, it will be so popular that the GOP will be farked for a generation.
 
2012-11-21 02:26:23 PM  
Were stuck with it for at least a decade dude. Lay off the chicken, you'll chafe.
 
2012-11-21 02:26:25 PM  
www.people-press.org

Republicans are economic terrorists.
 
2012-11-21 02:26:42 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Didn't he say not a month ago that the GOP had to give up on repealing ACA?


Yeah, but then his owners reminded him who really makes the decisions, and put him back in his place as an obedient lapdog.

fuhfuhfuh: LordJiro: These farktards DO realize that most Americans will blame THEM, not Obama, if we go over the fiscal cliff, right?

Probably not. Chances are their unskewed polling tells them that should the shiat hit the fan, the public will blame Obama and not them. Also, the same polling tells them that the nation opposes the ACA, so they will only shine as winners if they continue to oppose it.


Remember, they still talk about a "silent majority" that supports them 100%, I hear lots of derp at work and on FB about how supposedly the election was rigged because Black Panthers were at polling places intimidating voters, or UN election observers tampered with the election, or Obama flipped a magic switch somewhere that made lots of votes his, or something. They just can't accept that people have rejected their agenda. Can't.

Well, the ones who can accept it are the ones talking about secession.
 
2012-11-21 02:27:20 PM  

oldweevil: Fine, Democrats should then insist on single payer as part of any fiscal cliff negotiations.


I wish, but they are corporate whores as well.
 
2012-11-21 02:27:37 PM  

CynicalLA: You have to make the Tea Tards happy.


Give them Mississippi if you want them happy. They can all move there. Texas gets a reprieve because of A) Austin B) maybe turning purple in 2016/2020
 
2012-11-21 02:27:54 PM  

Somacandra: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.

Obama got reelected with a mandate in the same way as FDR and Clinton did. Boehner lost seats in the House including some Teabagger diehards. False equivalence is false.


Not only that, Republicans lost the popular vote. Only gerrymandering let them keep the seats they managed to hold. If they decide to take the economy over the cliff, they will be held responsible. Remember, Obama has offered to sign a Senate-sponsored bill that keeps the tax cuts in place for up to the first $250,000 everyone earns. If the Republicans refuse to approve that bill, then they are responsible for more than just raising taxes on just the poor and the middle class. They are refusing to lower taxes for the wealthy, too. If I made a half-a-million dollars a year, I would prefer that taxes be lower on half my income than raised on my entire income.
 
2012-11-21 02:28:06 PM  
Obama won in 2008 on the idea of reforming healthcare. Obama won in 2012 with his reforms in place. Obviously, the people have given the GOP a mandate to gut those reforms. This is what oompa loompas actually believe.
 
2012-11-21 02:28:44 PM  
static3.businessinsider.com

Miss me yet?
 
2012-11-21 02:29:58 PM  
 
2012-11-21 02:30:20 PM  
But I am told that some 95% of Americans want Obamacare to be fully repealed, Obama to be impeached and his entire presidency declared null and void.
 
2012-11-21 02:31:03 PM  
www.darrenspruyt.com
 
2012-11-21 02:31:43 PM  
"You can stop listening to me any time now" - Speaker Boehner
 
2012-11-21 02:32:17 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.


clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked
 
2012-11-21 02:32:45 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: Didn't he say not a month ago that the GOP had to give up on repealing ACA?


This is exactly what I was coming here to ask!

Do they realize that we can, I don't know, look up stuff that they have said?

The tin-foil hat wearer in me thinks he must have gotten his ears boxed by the Koch brothers over that statement.
 
2012-11-21 02:35:16 PM  

Mr_Fabulous: Issue our demands for their immediate surrender! We have them just where we want them!


www.rumproast.com
 
2012-11-21 02:36:38 PM  
REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES AMERICANS HEALTHCARE

Domestic terrorists the lot of them.
 
2012-11-21 02:37:06 PM  

mrshowrules: What is their goal?


chzemokid.files.wordpress.com

Hell if I know.
 
2012-11-21 02:37:55 PM  

dumbobruni: Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.

clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked


I(t'll get fixed with the next Congress. I'm not too worried about it. Of course there's always a chance that the lame-duck Congress will put country before party and fix it.
 
2012-11-21 02:42:33 PM  
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"...My final offer is this: nothing. Not even the fee for the gaming license, which I would appreciate if you would put up personally."
 
2012-11-21 02:42:47 PM  
This is Obama's fault. He gave Boehner that bottle of wine for his birthday.
 
2012-11-21 02:42:54 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


That is a weak, flailing attempt to grasp a bit of silver lining out of the disaster for the GOP that was and is 2012.

Sweet, sweet tears. They just keep coming.
 
2012-11-21 02:43:26 PM  
Boehner's holding the ACA hostage...but he REALLY sucks at it.

i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-21 02:44:18 PM  

Fluorescent Testicle: elchip: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Boehner, his cheeks stained with tears, his bottle stained with tanner.


Ryan, when his butt hurt
 
2012-11-21 02:45:03 PM  

Mr. Coffee Nerves: By 2016 at the latest GOP incumbents will be running campaign ads bragging about delivering access to affordable health care.


At which point I hope voters will sneak up quietly behind them, put their mouths close to the candidate's ear, and then scream

IT'S CALLED OBAMACARE

just to see how high they jump. 
Not that I disagree with you. I also fully expect to see a bumper crop of republicans in 2016 to swear they had always supported health care reform.
 
2012-11-21 02:46:25 PM  
He's still owned by the tea party group from the 2010 election.

Although I am sure not much will change when the new one is seated in January.
 
2012-11-21 02:47:46 PM  

Notabunny: Fluorescent Testicle: elchip: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Boehner, his cheeks stained with tears, his bottle stained with tanner.

Ryan, when his butt hurt


Mitt at the gas station, his shirt wrinkled, his hair disheveled
 
2012-11-21 02:49:15 PM  
At what point does the health care industry open their mouths and tell the GOP to STFU?
 
2012-11-21 02:50:31 PM  

GAT_00: And this is where Obama should walk away from the table until Boehner withdraws this.


No, he's doing exactly what he should. Present deals the public find acceptable but the GOP can't swallow. When they refuse and we go over the cliff, they get the blame. If Obama walks away, the GOP has a narrative to make going ober the cliff his fault.
 
2012-11-21 02:50:42 PM  

Raharu: Notabunny: Fluorescent Testicle: elchip: Shaka, when the walls fell.

Boehner, his cheeks stained with tears, his bottle stained with tanner.

Ryan, when his butt hurt

Mitt at the gas station, his shirt wrinkled, his hair disheveled


+10 to all of you! :D

/Darmok
 
2012-11-21 02:50:49 PM  
Cold, crisp, refreshing tears from 1992? It must be the holidays.
 
2012-11-21 02:50:55 PM  
CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.
 
2012-11-21 02:52:21 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.


So now we've spent twice as much? Great jorb dere Hamstray?
 
2012-11-21 02:52:30 PM  
 
2012-11-21 02:52:45 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.


so you agree they are wasting our money?
 
2012-11-21 02:55:41 PM  

Nadie_AZ: He's still owned by the tea party group from the 2010 election.


Yup, the Teahadists have won the GOP civil war. Congrats, farkers. You've made your bed...now sleep in it.
 
2012-11-21 02:55:48 PM  

CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?


Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.
 
2012-11-21 02:55:57 PM  
It's not his fault. It's recently been discovered that when tears fueled by butthurt mix with tanning solution, it creates a toxic chemical that slowly rots the brain. This is why Jersey Shore was really cancelled: the CDC had to quarantine the cast and euthanize them before it got out of hand.
 
2012-11-21 02:56:04 PM  
But, repealing Obamacare makes the debt and deficit problem worse...
 
2012-11-21 02:56:52 PM  

serpent_sky: Sybarite: hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...

I think Boehner may actually have a loaded God complex.


and it's about time for him to cock it and pull it?


I think he already did in an earlier round. Hopefully he can handle the inevitable fallout. Boy would I like to be a fly on the wall at that meeting.
 
2012-11-21 02:57:37 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?

Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.


Every day it doesn't get overturned is a day people get to experience and understand more of what the bill actually does. Every day the prospects of overturn get worse. Its as overturnable now as it will ever be.
 
2012-11-21 03:00:41 PM  

GAT_00: And this is where Obama should walk away from the table until Boehner withdraws this.


THIS.

"I'm not up for re-election in two years. Why don't you guys think about that and get back to me when you're serious?"
 
2012-11-21 03:01:14 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


Perot's largest impact was in red states that weren't going to Clinton anyways. The analyses I've seen shown Bush Sr would've closed the gap marginally but Clinton would have still won the election.
 
2012-11-21 03:02:45 PM  

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


Liberals 2010: Hey, I have an idea! Let's teach Obama a lesson by sitting out a midterm election in a census year! What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-11-21 03:03:17 PM  
you failed your only goal of a one term president, try setting a new goal and actually accomplishing something or enjoy being in the history books as Speaker Boner the most useless fark in Congressional history
 
DGS [TotalFark]
2012-11-21 03:04:40 PM  

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


They are trying to present to the public that having control of the House shows the citizens want the House in control of the budget, hoping that no one notices the gerrymandering that made it possible to not have a majority of votes (assuming however (in)correctly that individuals voted at local levels like they did for their presidential candidate) and still retain a majority of seats in the House.

If they spin it loudly and often enough, plus keep using the standard talking points their base wants to hear, the fact that they lost the White House, lost seats in the Senate, and lost seats in the House will be forgotten.

Of course, when they won seats in 2010, THAT was a mandate from the people. Now? Uh.. nothing to see here.. damn Obamacare Fiscal Cliff!
 
2012-11-21 03:05:34 PM  

falcon176: you failed your only goal of a one term president, try setting a new goal and actually accomplishing something


Impeachment is a goal, right?

/impeach Fraudbongo!
 
2012-11-21 03:06:50 PM  

falcon176: you failed your only goal of a one term president, try setting a new goal and actually accomplishing something or enjoy being in the history books as Speaker Boner the most useless fark in Congressional history


I don't know, he's got some tough competition, both current and past. Bachmann, West, King, Akin, Grayson, and Paul all come to mind.

Hell, Tom DeLay almost wins by default.
 
2012-11-21 03:09:13 PM  

CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?

Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.

Every day it doesn't get overturned is a day people get to experience and understand more of what the bill actually does. Every day the prospects of overturn get worse. Its as overturnable now as it will ever be.


Improbable. Short term gains stemming from adding more people to the pool and limiting overhead will gradually be overshadowed by upward price pressures eventually taking healthcare back to a slow boiling crisis and forcing the .gov to take another crack at doing something sensible about the issue.

Though I suppose I would agree that it is unlikely to ever be "repealed" per-se. Simply rendered irrelevant by further legislation.
 
2012-11-21 03:10:02 PM  

Snapper Carr: "I'm not up for re-election in two years EVER AGAIN. Why don't you guys think about that and get back to me when you're serious?"


I hope Ohio keeps electing Boehner. He isn't good enough to actually get shiat done. Everything he has been able to do is because of the GOP majority, not his leadership skills. Any one of us here could have the same 'success' he has as speaker so far.

Remember Ohio, a vote for Boehner is a vote for the other guys.
 
2012-11-21 03:13:03 PM  

Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?

Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.

Every day it doesn't get overturned is a day people get to experience and understand more of what the bill actually does. Every day the prospects of overturn get worse. Its as overturnable now as it will ever be.

Improbable. Short term gains stemming from adding more people to the pool and limiting overhead will gradually be overshadowed by upward price pressures eventually taking healthcare back to a slow boiling crisis and forcing the .gov to take another crack at doing something sensible about the issue.

Though I suppose I would agree that it is unlikely to ever be "repealed" per-se. Simply rendered irrelevant by further legislation.


I'd agree to this. I'm pretty sure single payer will replace is eventually. At this point we're hanging on the precpice of progress basically waiting for enough of the people holding us back to die.
 
2012-11-21 03:13:21 PM  
I almost want the GOP to get their wish. Then when health insurance premiums don't drop (because all my republican friends firmly believe that is why premiums went up) hopefully they will see the error in their ways. Who am I kidding no they won't.
 
2012-11-21 03:13:22 PM  

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


you say "functioning alcoholic" as if that's a bad thing
 
2012-11-21 03:17:52 PM  
Ever notice that Republicans never propose any solutions, they just waste time trying in vain to undo existing laws?

Unless you call "forcing the whores rape victims to have children" a new solution.
 
2012-11-21 03:18:50 PM  
The Republicans remind of the valiant, all-mighty General Custer who saved us from the godless heathen Indians.
 
2012-11-21 03:20:09 PM  

CorporatePerson: Ever notice that Republicans never propose any solutions, they just waste time trying in vain to undo existing laws?

Unless you call "forcing the whores rape victims to have children" a new solution.


The Final Solution (tm) was also a solution. Doesn't mean its a good one.
 
2012-11-21 03:20:40 PM  
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2012-11-21 03:21:29 PM  
What a disgusting excuse for a human being. The good thing is he will be hounded by his worthless legacy to his dying days.
 
2012-11-21 03:23:32 PM  
ITT: We pretend to not know how politics works.

Health care reform is a big ticket item that Democrats desperately need and the Republicans want gone.
So the right stonewalls until the left trades things of equal or greater value.

/This is where a politicians skill in cutting deals comes in.
/and also why the budget is out of control.
/Every senator on the opposing team has a wish list and its farking Christmas.
 
2012-11-21 03:24:52 PM  
Way to prove you're not serious about trying to reach a deal.
 
2012-11-21 03:25:09 PM  

way south: /Every senator on the opposing team has a wish list and its farking Christmas.


They also have an answer, and it's always "no".
 
2012-11-21 03:25:31 PM  

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.
 
2012-11-21 03:27:12 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


Not even close to true. But you already knew that.
 
2012-11-21 03:28:33 PM  

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


Worth citing.

Dems - 49% popular vote, 46.2% of seats
Repubs - 48.2% popular vote, 53.8% of seats

(From the 2nd link with the more up-to-date numbers)

Link 
Link
 
2012-11-21 03:29:03 PM  

CorporatePerson: Ever notice that Republicans never propose any solutions, they just waste time trying in vain to undo existing laws?


That's because they're reactionaries. They no longer have any defining ideals of their own.
 
2012-11-21 03:29:31 PM  

that bosnian sniper: I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.


See above.
 
2012-11-21 03:29:48 PM  

way south: big ticket item that Democrats desperately need


Desperately need? There ain't nothing desperate about it. It's not going anywhere and the Dems know it.
 
2012-11-21 03:30:50 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: that bosnian sniper: I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.

See above.


Much appreciated.
 
2012-11-21 03:31:08 PM  

that bosnian sniper: FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.

I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.


This'll get you started.
Wiki (yeah, I know)
Fair Vote
 
2012-11-21 03:31:09 PM  

Evil High Priest: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Not even close to true. But you already knew that.


Shhh... let them keep farking that chicken, it brings us joy.
 
2012-11-21 03:32:08 PM  

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


I'm okay with that. There's only so long those tricks can keep them relevant. If they hadn't kept the HoR they might actually be taking pause and addressing their issues. Keeping control of the HoR for the next couple elections might be what ultimately keeps them from addressing their core problems until it is too late.

/or not, who knows
 
2012-11-21 03:33:38 PM  

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Did the Democrats win back Congress? No, only eight seats. This is clearly a mandate for the people to support the Republicans and end once and for all the tyranny of Obama!

Or so the reasoning goes. Pretty twisted farked up reasoning, but reasoning nonetheless.
 
2012-11-21 03:34:43 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


I've said this before; but if the US eventually moves towards the Canadian model of delivering health care, and it's politically popular (*don't see why it wouldn't be), I would be shocked if the Republicans DON"T try to take credit for it...

/ "saving small businesses from unreasonable health care costs"
// " making health care leaner and more efficient"
 
2012-11-21 03:36:30 PM  

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: There are those who learn by deduction.
There are those that learn from observation.
There are those that have to piss on the electric fence for themselves.
And then there is the house GOP.


Wouldn't that be learning by conduction?
 
2012-11-21 03:38:06 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.


Didn't the GOP gain seats?
 
2012-11-21 03:41:27 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?


Heck yeah they did!

/if you use Fox News as your major source of information.
 
2012-11-21 03:41:34 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?


See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:03 PM  

Forbidden Doughnut: God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.

I've said this before; but if the US eventually moves towards the Canadian model of delivering health care, and it's politically popular (*don't see why it wouldn't be), I would be shocked if the Republicans DON"T try to take credit for it...

/ "saving small businesses from unreasonable health care costs"
// " making health care leaner and more efficient"


The Republicans should take credit for it. It's their idea. The Heritage Foundation thought of it, Gingrich's Congress fought for it, and Romney was the first to implement it. The real insanity is them now fighting tooth and nail against the idea they wanted 5-10 years ago.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:20 PM  
I suppose we're ignoring the fact that the deficit isn't a problem, especially under these conditions of such incredibly low capacity utilization of both Capital and Labor?

if that's the case, it's worth pointing out the Boehner might as well get as much as he can -especially since Obama's starting position is probably something the GOP could live with.

Ignoring how horribly inappropriate this policy is for the current context, it's worth pointing out that if it weren't for Obama's disgusting and reprehensible positions on the homosexual issue, he'd make a pretty good Republican President.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:25 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?


GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:26 PM  

ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.


That's not true. Some of us have never seen him before.
 
2012-11-21 03:43:29 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


Be gentle. He's a conservative. They're not too good with numbers. Now, colors and shapes, on the other hand...
 
2012-11-21 03:46:01 PM  

way south: Health care reform is a big ticket item that Democrats desperately need and the Republicans want gone.


Passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court.

Oh but House Teabaggers have a problem, everyone panic!
 
2012-11-21 03:47:48 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


But they KEPT the HOUSE, so OBVIOUSLY that's a MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE
 
2012-11-21 03:50:16 PM  

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?


Even when Republicans lose they think they won.

What is it with you people.
 
2012-11-21 03:50:30 PM  
1) Repeal ACA
2) Old white people in the obesity belt die sooner than if they had coverage
3) GOP loses more elections

I don't think they thought their cunning plan through
 
2012-11-21 03:51:42 PM  

doctor wu: What a disgusting excuse for a human being. The good thing is he will be hounded by his worthless legacy to his dying days.


In a sane world, this might be true. Instead, he will remain in office, albeit it not as Speaker, as long as he pleases. Then he will move over to K Street for a few years at the lobby trough, before retiring a very wealthy man.

Sorry.
 
2012-11-21 03:51:43 PM  

DemonEater: tallguywithglasseson: GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

But they KEPT the HOUSE, so OBVIOUSLY that's a MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE


A herp is as good as a derp to a blind man!
 
2012-11-21 03:51:59 PM  

Hunter_Worthington: Obama's disgusting and reprehensible positions on the homosexual issue, he'd make a pretty good Republican President.


His disgusting and reprehensible position that the government has no business telling adults who they can and cannot marry? I thought Republicans were all about smaller government getting out of peoples' lives and back to the very narrow boundaries set out in the Articles of Confederation Constitution. Explain why small Constitution-focused government still has the right to barge into my private decision-making?

On second thought, don't bother. Unless you're trolling (in which case, subtly done with the "conservaderp" + "Obama's an excellent Republican"), just sit there and be silly.

// and thanks for giving me an outlet to waste a few minutes before quittin' time
 
2012-11-21 03:52:36 PM  

way south: ITT: We pretend to not know how politics works.

Health care reform is a big ticket item that Democrats desperately need and the Republicans want gone.
So the right stonewalls until the left trades things of equal or greater value.

/This is where a politicians skill in cutting deals comes in.
/and also why the budget is out of control.
/Every senator on the opposing team has a wish list and its farking Christmas.


So what you're saying is that these morons still think they're bargaining from a position of strength.
 
2012-11-21 03:53:14 PM  

limeyfellow: Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.

Did the Democrats win back Congress? No, only eight seats. This is clearly a mandate for the people to support the Republicans and end once and for all the tyranny of Obama!

Or so the reasoning goes. Pretty twisted farked up reasoning, but reasoning nonetheless.


Cue Inigo Montoyo.
 
2012-11-21 03:53:36 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


I have him farked as "apparent troll account."
 
2012-11-21 03:53:41 PM  

SuperTramp: Somebody needs to go to Ohio and talk to the FARKING MORONS that keep re-electing this asswipe.


It would help if the Dems actually ran someone against him. He ran unopposed.

I'm about 5 miles east of his district, so I have no say in the matter.
 
2012-11-21 03:54:38 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


GOP math!
 
2012-11-21 03:55:34 PM  
These assheads really just cannot STAND the idea of people not being condemned to a gruesome death because their condition was deemed "pre-existing".
 
2012-11-21 03:56:26 PM  
So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.
 
2012-11-21 03:58:01 PM  

randomjsa: Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


The silent majority, am I right?

They vote Democratic now.
 
2012-11-21 03:58:02 PM  

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it


Yeah, it's amazing that we think so, when only 33% of Americans are for repealing it.

How weird is that?
 
2012-11-21 03:58:31 PM  

MBickert: I almost want the GOP to get their wish. Then when health insurance premiums don't drop (because all my republican friends firmly believe that is why premiums went up) hopefully they will see the error in their ways. Who am I kidding no they won't.


I dunno about you, but my premiums just went down for next year for slightly better coverage.

yes, I was pretty shocked by that.
 
2012-11-21 03:59:43 PM  

Satanic_Hamster: tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

I have him farked as "apparent troll account."


I have him farkied as "go easy on him, he's from Florida"
 
2012-11-21 04:00:53 PM  

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


In some cases, it really is smarter to just go down when you're in a fight you know you'll lose. If you keep swinging, he's only going to keep beating you. And that's what's going to happen unless Boehner wises up and stops trying to convince the rubes that he's ideologically pure.
 
2012-11-21 04:02:12 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: MBickert: I almost want the GOP to get their wish. Then when health insurance premiums don't drop (because all my republican friends firmly believe that is why premiums went up) hopefully they will see the error in their ways. Who am I kidding no they won't.

I dunno about you, but my premiums just went down for next year for slightly better coverage.

yes, I was pretty shocked by that.


I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.
 
2012-11-21 04:02:27 PM  

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


I must repectfully disagree. *I* am a functioning alcoholic.

he's a jackwagon.
 
2012-11-21 04:02:42 PM  

Evil High Priest: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Not even close to true. But you already knew that.


Truth? Facts? I think this elections cycle proved the Right are impervious to both.
 
2012-11-21 04:03:44 PM  

mcwehrle: PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.

I must repectfully disagree. *I* am a functioning alcoholic.

he's a jackwagon.


*reSpectfully.

ok, so I'm an almost functional alcoholic.

He's still a jackwagon.
 
2012-11-21 04:05:50 PM  
You lost. Get over it.

...I have waited so long to say that.
 
2012-11-21 04:07:04 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: MBickert: I almost want the GOP to get their wish. Then when health insurance premiums don't drop (because all my republican friends firmly believe that is why premiums went up) hopefully they will see the error in their ways. Who am I kidding no they won't.

I dunno about you, but my premiums just went down for next year for slightly better coverage.

yes, I was pretty shocked by that.

I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.


I wish that was the scenario where I'm at people have are seeing back to back 10% per year rate increases
 
2012-11-21 04:07:56 PM  
If I was Obama:

Ok we get rid of Obamacare IF we raise taxes high enough on people making over $250,000/yr enough so we can buy healthcare for everyone who makes $50k or less.

Deal?
 
2012-11-21 04:08:50 PM  

mcwehrle: He's still a jackwagon.


Heh heh heh.
 
2012-11-21 04:09:32 PM  

MBickert: I wish that was the scenario where I'm at people have are seeing back to back 10% per year rate increases


So then it's a lost better than the previous years we were seeing 30% + rate increase then, isn't it?
 
2012-11-21 04:14:11 PM  

Corvus: MBickert: I wish that was the scenario where I'm at people have are seeing back to back 10% per year rate increases

So then it's a lost better than the previous years we were seeing 30% + rate increase then, isn't it?


I agree, but they don't remember the past they only see now.
 
2012-11-21 04:15:32 PM  

CPennypacker: ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.

That's not true. Some of us have never seen him before.


And some of us have never felt it worth the click.
 
2012-11-21 04:16:08 PM  

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


Except for the specifics, that still appears to be true. Of course, it's the specifics that get brought up in TV ads, and so it's still wrong as far as voting goes. People will vote against someone who makes their 23-year old get off their plan, or tries to re-instill pre-existing condition exclusions.

Also, anyone who understands math (yes, not the majority and certainly not anyone who votes R) understands that centralised health insurance reduces amortised risk to it's minimum and removes the profit drain that has zero value add (profit in insurance doesn't cause innovation in insurance math! There is still profit in medical devices, since they are still privately sold).

Also, anyone who believes in true "classical liberal or libertarian" philosophy should understand that health care, like the military and police, is one of the few legitimate defensive uses of government. It obeys all the classical reasons for defensive government and the libertarian criteria of legitimacy: it obeys an economics of scale and is universally applicable. It is absurd to believe that there is some magical cutoff in size where organisms bigger than that size are something government must defend it's citizens against and smaller than that, well fark it, that's too far.
 
2012-11-21 04:17:34 PM  
Elections have consequences.
 
2012-11-21 04:17:43 PM  
 
2012-11-21 04:17:51 PM  

Raharu: DemonEater: tallguywithglasseson: GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

But they KEPT the HOUSE, so OBVIOUSLY that's a MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE

A herp is as good as a derp to a blind man!


I felt if I didn't type the wacky caps, but posted straight, everyone would take me totally seriously

/well, as seriously as they take randomjsa, anyway
 
2012-11-21 04:18:52 PM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.


I suggest something closer to Old Yeller.
 
2012-11-21 04:21:33 PM  

mrshowrules: I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.


As long as he explains it to the country in terms of "Those assholes," not his usual conciliatory "We."
 
2012-11-21 04:23:12 PM  

ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.


I don't have him farkied as an idiot. I have him farkied as a moran.
 
2012-11-21 04:25:06 PM  

CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?

Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.

Every day it doesn't get overturned is a day people get to experience and understand more of what the bill actually does. Every day the prospects of overturn get worse. Its as overturnable now as it will ever be.


You mean like the stuff that happened yesterday?

ftnyt The Obama administration took a big step on Tuesday to carry out the new health care law by defining "essential health benefits" that must be offered to most Americans and by allowing employers to offer much bigger financial rewards to employees who quit smoking or adopt other healthy behaviors. [...]
 
2012-11-21 04:27:34 PM  

More_Like_A_Stain: ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.

I don't have him farkied as an idiot. I have him farkied as a moran.


Are you sure you're giving him too much credit? A moran is someone with a mental age of 8 - 12 years, An idiot has a mental age of 3 or less.
 
2012-11-21 04:28:59 PM  

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


Didnt your guy campaign on repealing and replacing on day 1?

How did the American people like that?
 
2012-11-21 04:29:04 PM  
I will send Obama 5 Canadian Dollars if he agrees, but only on the condition that the US goes single payer.
 
2012-11-21 04:31:40 PM  

Mercutio74: I will send Obama 5 Canadian Dollars if he agrees, but only on the condition that the US goes single payer.


You will need more than $5cn to get him to compromise his fundamental faith in the free market.
 
2012-11-21 04:33:10 PM  
What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?
 
2012-11-21 04:34:14 PM  

dumbobruni: Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.

clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked


Do it. I'll grit my teeth until the last Republican Congressman is dangling from a lampost.
 
2012-11-21 04:37:39 PM  

serpent_sky: Do they not understand that people, in general, want health care reform? And don't want to use visits to the emergency room (thanks, Mitt Romney) as their primary form of health care? I guess not.

They're absolutely determined to sink this country. It's ironic, considering all of their doom and gloom regarding the President's "agenda" to do that. Not that they could possibly be projecting anything....

But I really don't understand their plan. Piss off the entire country, when the blame obviously and openly falls on their own shoulders? How do they see that working out for them?


Because the only "news" of this their base will get is how the evil dems destroyed the economy. If only the heroic republicans could have cut taxes on the job creators...
 
2012-11-21 04:37:44 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.


Surely this is just the share of the premium your employer is deducting from your check. Your full premium is not $27/mo for that kind of plan, probably more like $200/mo.
 
2012-11-21 04:38:43 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it

Yeah, it's amazing that we think so, when only 33% of Americans are for repealing it.

How weird is that?


You know what else the right-wing media isn't telling the "fiscally responsible" Teabaggers?

Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.

img.photobucket.com 

/threadjack over
 
2012-11-21 04:39:10 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?


They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:13 PM  

jigger: cameroncrazy1984: I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.

Surely this is just the share of the premium your employer is deducting from your check. Your full premium is not $27/mo for that kind of plan, probably more like $200/mo.


Well, yeah. I didn't say anything other than what I was paying.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:44 PM  

Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?


The part where he doesn't get to keep using congress to give sloppy blowjobs to every big business robber baron scumbag he knows.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:51 PM  

jigger: Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?

They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.


Because clearly there's no way they can lose seats in 2014 if they're blamed for this.
 
2012-11-21 04:43:11 PM  

fuhfuhfuh: Probably not. Chances are their unskewed polling tells them that should the shiat hit the fan, the public will blame Obama and not them. Also, the same polling tells them that the nation opposes the ACA, so they will only shine as winners if they continue to oppose it.


hahahahaha
THIS
You totally nailed THIS.
The GOP have been living in a self-supporting delusion for so long now, that reality clearly can not be real. THAT IS CRAZY TALK!!!
 
2012-11-21 04:43:28 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: jigger: Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?

They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.

Because clearly there's no way they can lose seats in 2014 if they're blamed for this.


That's two years from now. American attention span and all that.
 
2012-11-21 04:44:19 PM  

jigger: cameroncrazy1984: jigger: Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?

They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.

Because clearly there's no way they can lose seats in 2014 if they're blamed for this.

That's two years from now. American attention span and all that.


I don't think we have as short of an attention span as you suggest. I mean, we did re-elect Obama because Mitt couldn't successfully pin the recession on him.
 
2012-11-21 04:44:54 PM  

tallguywithglasseson: Dems - 49% popular vote, 46.2% of seats
Repubs - 48.2% popular vote, 53.8% of seats


Yup
I am CERTAIN that gerrymandering had NOTHING to do with this.
sigh

It would be nice one day to once again have a people's house
 
2012-11-21 04:45:58 PM  

Notabunny: Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.


See? And to think that Obama wanted to raise taxes.
 
2012-11-21 04:46:48 PM  

mksmith: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

I suggest something closer to Old Yeller.


What's he got to do with it?

msa4.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-21 04:48:09 PM  

NateGrey: [www.people-press.org image 294x347]

Republicans are economic terrorists.


Difficulty: The GOP spent the entire campaign ignoring or denying polls showing their guy losing.
 
2012-11-21 04:48:41 PM  
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-21 04:50:00 PM  

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


This is very true -- here in Canada, even the most right wing conservatives won't go near the topic of reducing or limiting public health care. It's political suicide. The guy who brought about public health care in Canada is fairly universally recognized as the greatest Canadian to ever have ever lived. Tommy Douglas. And he was as left as one can get in politics here and still get any votes.

This, I'm sure, terrifies the GOP (or at least those aware of it).

They have a very short window to kill it before it becomes permanently entrenched. And it seems they know it.
If they don't kill it, they worry (rightly) that Obama will be remembered with Washington and Lincoln as one of the truly great Presidents.

And Obama's second term makes it virtually impossible to kill. Welcome to the rest of the industrialized world Americans. With a little more work, you'll have single payer, and be able to join the ranks of civilized society. (Ok, that may be stretching things a bit, I admit.)
 
2012-11-21 04:53:44 PM  

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


Yeah, I think most conservatives would actually hate living in 1962. I'll bet most liberals would too. fark 1962.
 
2012-11-21 04:54:35 PM  

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


I think I peed a little laughing. Thank you ; )
 
2012-11-21 05:03:07 PM  
i935.photobucket.com
The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
 
2012-11-21 05:03:46 PM  

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


In fairness, that is EXACTLY what folks fear...
 
2012-11-21 05:05:36 PM  

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


they have been consoled by this this polling. which if i understand it isn't a ringing endorsement for repeal.
 
2012-11-21 05:06:48 PM  
This guy is a jerk.

I can only hope for some underage stripper to come forth with compromising pictures of the two of them and a badger.
 
2012-11-21 05:08:18 PM  

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[RIGHT-CLICK, SAVE PICTURE AS.....]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
 
2012-11-21 05:13:17 PM  

CynicalLA: You have to make the Tea Tards happy.


They're not going to be happy as long as the president is black.
 
2012-11-21 05:16:28 PM  

zarberg: Satanic_Hamster: tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

I have him farked as "apparent troll account."

I have him farkied as "go easy on him, he's from Florida"


I have him stamped as "Homophobic partisan troll"
 
2012-11-21 05:16:37 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


well except that they lost a few seats yeah. that +8 may not put them in control but it should, i said should, get their attention. doesn't look like it so far.
 
2012-11-21 05:23:38 PM  
Yes, GOP, keep fighting to take away the law that gives me access to the drugs I need to stay alive... then keep complaining about how I should be happier if you took those same tax dollars and spent them on another war with Iran instead. Keep trying to peddle that BS and see how many elections you win.
 
2012-11-21 05:34:21 PM  

mksmith: dumbobruni: Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.

clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked

Do it. I'll grit my teeth until the last Republican Congressman is dangling from a lampost.


clinton era tax rates return 2% payroll tax cuts eliminated unemployment benefit extensions eliminated AMT revises back to 2000 levels $110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense 25% decline in Medicare disbursements. Pell grants farked
I refuse to believe anybody would be dumb enough to let the AMT fall back and to hurt Medicare disbursements. The Democrats will no doubt make a bill just to fix those two, and if the Republicans refuse, there will literally be Congressmen hanging from lamposts. The other stuff won't be fun, but we can handle it, and it's far better than doing nothing.
 
2012-11-21 05:35:03 PM  
IMG]http://i258.photobucket.com/albums/hh254/Amenhotep1972/superheroes -batman-superman-batman-facepalm.jpg

Really Republicans? get a clue . give the teatards the boot and get down to a proper compromise.
 
2012-11-21 05:36:48 PM  
That was just...weird. Not what I wrote at all. Oh well.

I did write this:

"I refuse to believe anybody would be dumb enough to let the AMT fall back and to hurt Medicare disbursements. The Democrats will no doubt make a bill just to fix those two, and if the Republicans refuse, there will literally be Congressmen hanging from lamposts. The other stuff won't be fun, but we can handle it, and it's far better than doing nothing."

and ignore the earlier stuff.
 
2012-11-21 05:39:25 PM  
They have decided to stick to the rape thing, I guess. Chicken rape, i.e.
 
2012-11-21 05:39:50 PM  
i258.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-21 05:43:47 PM  

namatad: Yup
I am CERTAIN that gerrymandering had NOTHING to do with this.
sigh


Gerrymandering and redistricting plays a role for sure, but honestly if you tried to even it out so popular votes were closer to the # of reps, the district maps might look even worse than they do now.
Urban areas are denser and tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats (like mine, a fairly normal looking map, Minneapolis and near suburbs- MN-5, 75% and 260k+ votes for Ellison).
You'd end up with cities being split up like a pie among many districts, then the districts would each snake out to suburban, exurban and rural areas. You'd likely end with even more districts containing communities that have little to do with each other -- this does happen now, obviously, and it's not hard to find lulz-worthy examples (people post the maps here all the time, IL, MD have some doozies).

Again not saying gerrymandering doesn't exist. Just that it might look even worse the more you try to 'even' things out. 
And not to go all both-sides-are-bad (I'm a Democrat), but Democrats do represent some of those lulz-y looking districts.
 
2012-11-21 05:49:06 PM  

jasimo: that bosnian sniper: FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.

I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.

This'll get you started.
Wiki (yeah, I know)
Fair Vote


Well, 'cording to Fair Vote, there's not much anyone can do unless they straighten out these gerrymanders. I'd stay things are farked until then, I live in a southern state and don't see that happening anytime soon. My county/city was recently gerry'd to a Republican advantage.
 
2012-11-21 06:01:58 PM  

Raharu: randomjsa:
[www.kimballstock.com image 510x340]
So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


That is one healthy looking animal there.... er.. what's your point? (pops; hint: none)
 
2012-11-21 06:04:14 PM  

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


ObamaCare was passed into law. It survived a Supreme Court challenge. Campaigning on repealing ObamaCare failed miserably. Billionaire business owners firing people for phantom ObamaCare costs have only hurt their own image.

So if the Republicans want to charge that line again, I encourage them to do so. We'll write an epic poem for them.
 
2012-11-21 06:09:35 PM  

Mentat: So if the Republicans want to charge that line again, I encourage them to do so. We'll write an epic poem for them.


Here lies the GOP, they are now dead.
Thought with their ass, instead of their head.
 
2012-11-21 06:12:37 PM  

MmmmBacon: Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.

Delusion is a wonderful thing, I suppose.

I think this is all pandering for the base now, trying to show them that, by Golly, the GOP won't take an ass-kicking sitting down! Why, they'll stand right back up and get punched in the jaw again, and again, and again, until those nasty Dems get tired and walk away!

In the end, if no deal is done before Dec. 31st, the GOP takes the blame. And we will remind voters of this over, and over, and over again in the run-up to 2014 mid-term elections. "Who caused your taxes to go up, John and Jane Everyman? Why, it was the GOP, who refused to sit down and actually negotiate a proper deal to prevent a fiscal meltdown. But hey, at least the Bush Tax Cuts expired, so there's that."


It's like Rocky Balboa going against Clubber Lang, getting his snot beaten out. His only hope is that Clubber wears out his glove and loses on a technicality.
 
2012-11-21 06:13:54 PM  

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


The Republicans lost the popular vote for the House. They want to keep Obamacare.
 
2012-11-21 06:16:03 PM  

mrshowrules: I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.


Why would unemployment go up? Once the Bush Tax Cuts expire, the treasury will fuel up with some revenues and a lot of new work can get done. Things that have already passed and are just awaiting funding. The GOP in Congress can't stop those since they're already passed. Once those jobs are in motion, the economy and employment numbers will do well.
 
2012-11-21 06:19:46 PM  

dericwater: mrshowrules: I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.

Why would unemployment go up? Once the Bush Tax Cuts expire, the treasury will fuel up with some revenues and a lot of new work can get done. Things that have already passed and are just awaiting funding. The GOP in Congress can't stop those since they're already passed. Once those jobs are in motion, the economy and employment numbers will do well.


The 'cliff', as they call it, would be painful on everyone, but it would light a nuclear-grade fire under the House to start 'doing' something.

I do believe that we're going to go right over the cliff. Just because the GOP is that 'deaf' to anyone and anything outside of the echo chamber. And Obama is going to simply 'let' them do it, too. It'd be worse for everyone if he caves in to them on this and I think the last 4 years has taught him that.
 
2012-11-21 06:25:58 PM  
None of which the Senate will agree to so let's just waste more time. It's like all the ridiculous votes the House took on the Ryan budget plan.
 
2012-11-21 06:27:41 PM  

tomcatadam: Dear GOP: You start with a high bid, and aim for a bit lower by making small concessions.

You don't increase your demands. Holy shiat.


Boehner wants to go all in, holding a pair of 8's. Except his all-in chips equal to a third of Obama's pile. Obama can play the game all night.
 
2012-11-21 06:28:27 PM  
The insurance lobby has bought and paid for Boehner. They paid him to keep farking that chicken. He can't stop even if he desperately wants to.
 
2012-11-21 06:30:29 PM  

Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.


Sequestration is all over the map, but yes, a big bulk of that will be cut from DoD. And really, the "fiscal cliff" is more like a "fiscal slope". 90% of us will feel no ill effects.
 
2012-11-21 06:30:54 PM  

Mentat: randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.

ObamaCare was passed into law. It survived a Supreme Court challenge. Campaigning on repealing ObamaCare failed miserably. Billionaire business owners firing people for phantom ObamaCare costs have only hurt their own image.

So if the Republicans want to charge that line again, I encourage them to do so. We'll write an epic poem for them.


They really dont have a choice. The insurance industry lobby wants its money's worth.
 
2012-11-21 06:38:59 PM  

quickdraw: The insurance lobby has bought and paid for Boehner. They paid him to keep farking that chicken. He can't stop even if he desperately wants to.


The insurance company benefitted from Obamacare more than anyone else, including the citizens. Basically, obamacare requires people to get insurance. How can that hurt the insurance companies? They're basically going to add 30-90 million more customers.
 
2012-11-21 06:43:44 PM  

LordJiro: These farktards DO realize that most Americans will blame THEM, not Obama, if we go over the fiscal cliff, right?


And apparently don't realize, like with the budget crisis last year, that they would look like freaking heroes if they compromised on this.

60% of the American public wants ACA, and most of the rest are at best indifferent. Very few people are actively opposed. If the Republicans were to compromise on ACA and get what few concessions out of the administrations they can for their special interests (the insurance companies), they would look like geniuses; but more importantly in the long term, they will have great leverage for the mid-term elections. There won't be anything the Democrats can hold against them (at least in re the ACA thing) when it comes to that, and they'll be able to hold themselves up as giving the American public affordable healthcare.

I doubt they'll figure it out in time, and instead they'll cut their throats again, like they did with the budget; and they'll have only themselves to blame. Again.
 
2012-11-21 06:51:10 PM  

fluffy2097: Mentat: So if the Republicans want to charge that line again, I encourage them to do so. We'll write an epic poem for them.

Here lies the GOP, they are now dead.
Thought with their ass, instead of their head.


Burma Shave
 
2012-11-21 07:07:07 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. We can't afford it,

I don't believe the guy who voted in favor of two tax cuts, two wars, and medicare part D has any credibility when it comes to concern over the debt.


Exactly, cut the wars. Keep the healthcare.
 
2012-11-21 07:13:01 PM  
Has anyone pointed out that repealing Obamacare will cost money?
 
2012-11-21 07:20:53 PM  

Yakk: And this is where Obama says that the public option is back on the table to save money and point out the savings for medicare. This is a negotiation people, get rough!


That might work. I use that tactic with my kids on a regular basis.
Kid: Let me have 2 hours on computer games.
Me: You know the rule is 1 hour on computer games.
Kid: Let me have 2 hours.
Me: Make it 45 minutes.
Kid: That's not fair! Let me have 2 hours. Everybody at school gets 2 hours! If you loved me, you'd let me play 2 hours.
Me: Make it 30 minutes.
Kid: No, let me play video games for 1 hour, please.
Me: Oh, all right. I'll let you play for an hour because I'm generous and soft-hearted.
Kid: sigh
 
2012-11-21 07:25:42 PM  

TV's Vinnie: These assheads really just cannot STAND the idea of people not being condemned to a gruesome death because their condition was deemed "pre-existing".


You could have stopped at the word "death".
Think about it.
They love going to war--that is, serving up gruesome death via modern weapons of war.
They hate social safety nets--so go ahead and have a gruesome death by starvation or exposure or disease if you're poor.
They love petro-energy. Hey, go look up "coal miner's pneumoconiosis"--yay, gruesome death for hard workers too!

B.b.but...they are pro-life! Against gruesome death by abortion doctor!
Yes, yes...but then what will the baby grow up to do? Maybe be an unwanted, unsupportable addition to a poor family?
Maybe a laborer in a hazardous industry? Maybe join the military to get away from unloving parents? Yeah, they're playing the long game.
 
2012-11-21 07:31:33 PM  

dericwater: mrshowrules: I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.

Why would unemployment go up? Once the Bush Tax Cuts expire, the treasury will fuel up with some revenues and a lot of new work can get done. Things that have already passed and are just awaiting funding. The GOP in Congress can't stop those since they're already passed. Once those jobs are in motion, the economy and employment numbers will do well.


I'm not sure unemployment would go up significantly but if it does, it won't be by much. Consumer confidence/demand would take a small hit but would recover quickly IMHO. Immediately after the tax cuts expire, Obama can ask Congress for a renewal of tax cuts for those making under $250K.
 
2012-11-21 07:37:36 PM  

CPennypacker: REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES AMERICANS HEALTHCARE

Domestic terrorists the lot of them.


THIS THIS THIS
 
2012-11-21 07:44:05 PM  

Notabunny: cameroncrazy1984: randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it

Yeah, it's amazing that we think so, when only 33% of Americans are for repealing it.

How weird is that?

You know what else the right-wing media isn't telling the "fiscally responsible" Teabaggers?

Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.

[img.photobucket.com image 600x369] 

/threadjack over


Your point is not threadjacking. It is valid and highly relevant to the discussion on whether we can afford healthcare.
 
2012-11-21 07:47:24 PM  

Lunaville: Yakk: And this is where Obama says that the public option is back on the table to save money and point out the savings for medicare. This is a negotiation people, get rough!

That might work. I use that tactic with my kids on a regular basis.
Kid: Let me have 2 hours on computer games.
Me: You know the rule is 1 hour on computer games.
Kid: Let me have 2 hours.
Me: Make it 45 minutes.
Kid: That's not fair! Let me have 2 hours. Everybody at school gets 2 hours! If you loved me, you'd let me play 2 hours.
Me: Make it 30 minutes.
Kid: No, let me play video games for 1 hour, please.
Me: Oh, all right. I'll let you play for an hour because I'm generous and soft-hearted. Too late for that, want to try for 15?
Kid: sigh


If only my parents had been nice, like you.
 
2012-11-21 07:54:55 PM  
Boehner: What have I to fear?
Obama: The Democrats. It's what we call ourselves, sort of like a party. "America's Re-elected Executive" type thing.
Boehner: Yes, I've met them.
Obama: Yeah. Takes us a while to get any traction, I'll give you that one but, let's do a head count here: 332 electoral college votes in 27 states, a candidate who couldn't get elected with four BILLION dollars worth of SuperPAC money on his side, the loss of eight seats in the House of Representatives, a Senate that was yours to lose until your nominees decided to turn women into brood-mares for the State, 64 MILLION people of a 61% turnout voting for the Democrat, and you, big fella, you've managed to piss off every single one of them.
Boehner: That was the plan.
Obama: Not a great plan. When the voters blame, and they will, they'll blame Republicans.
Boehner: I have a filibuster.
Obama: We have a Biden.
Boehner: I thought the beast had wandered off.
Obama: You're missing the point. There's no throne. There is no version of this where you come out on top. Maybe the fiscal cliff comes, and maybe it's too much for us, but it's all on you. Because if we can't protect the country, you can be damned well sure we'll avenge it.
 
2012-11-21 08:12:49 PM  
How in the hell would this cause him to lose his job as Speaker? He's employed as chief idiot wrangler and the idiots get to choose who their wrangler is. Acting like an intransigent dickhead is only going to win him votes with them. The only way it would hurt him is if he manages to piss off enough people in his district to lose in the general... to a Democrat... in a district where he's never won by less than 20 points.
 
2012-11-21 08:18:30 PM  

NateGrey: [static3.businessinsider.com image 612x612]

Miss me yet?


NO
 
2012-11-21 08:38:18 PM  

antidisestablishmentarianism: Keep f*cking that chicken [4.bp.blogspot.com image 300x300]


Can we please be done with the chicken meme? There can't possibly be a chicken left alive within 100 miles of DC.

//or dead, for that matter
/lots of turkeys, though
 
2012-11-21 09:18:15 PM  

peasandcarrots: Boehner: What have I to fear?
Obama: The Democrats. It's what we call ourselves, sort of like a party. "America's Re-elected Executive" type thing.
Boehner: Yes, I've met them.
Obama: Yeah. Takes us a while to get any traction, I'll give you that one but, let's do a head count here: 332 electoral college votes in 27 states, a candidate who couldn't get elected with four BILLION dollars worth of SuperPAC money on his side, the loss of eight seats in the House of Representatives, a Senate that was yours to lose until your nominees decided to turn women into brood-mares for the State, 64 MILLION people of a 61% turnout voting for the Democrat, and you, big fella, you've managed to piss off every single one of them.
Boehner: That was the plan.
Obama: Not a great plan. When the voters blame, and they will, they'll blame Republicans.
Boehner: I have a filibuster.
Obama: We have a Biden.
Boehner: I thought the beast had wandered off.
Obama: You're missing the point. There's no throne. There is no version of this where you come out on top. Maybe the fiscal cliff comes, and maybe it's too much for us, but it's all on you. Because if we can't protect the country, you can be damned well sure we'll avenge it.


Do you perchance publish a regular newsletter?
 
2012-11-21 09:34:10 PM  
"Subby thinks terrible leadership is a reason for us to lose power. Bwahahahah!"

Signed - Boehner, Pelosi, Reid, and Dix
 
2012-11-21 10:10:24 PM  

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


A 1.7 million swing in the popular vote is a very tiny margin.
 
2012-11-21 10:40:38 PM  
So Obama wants double the tax hikes and Boehner wants to gut healthcare. Gridlock as usual, or negotiating tactics?

Part of me really really wants to give the Dem's everything they want and stand back and watch. If it works, great news for all of us. If it doesn't, see ya later.

No more pointing fingers......whining that the promised land is just a few more tax hikes, just a little more social spending, just a few defense cuts away....blah blah blah.

The Dem's won, fair and square. Now give them everything they ask for, as fast as you can. And be very vocal about doing it.
 
2012-11-21 10:48:02 PM  
60% of the American public wants ACA, and most of the rest are at best indifferent.

Most of the people who oppose it don't have any idea what it actually does, they just oppose it because it has "Obama" in the name their party gave it and they were told it was bad. If you tell people the individual terms of it, seems almost everyone is in favor of it.

And as I keep asking those who scream about being forced to buy insurance;

Are you angry because you're being forced to buy something you don't want,
Or because you're being forced to buy something you have and want to keep?
 
2012-11-21 10:54:03 PM  

ghare: dumbobruni: Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.

clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked

I(t'll get fixed with the next Congress. I'm not too worried about it. Of course there's always a chance that the lame-duck Congress will put country before party and fix it.


Look, a flying pig!
 
2012-11-21 11:29:07 PM  

Weaver95: hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...

[images1.wikia.nocookie.net image 850x504]

Khan Noonien Singh (R). Alpha Ceti V


Well Khan could never be president of Alpha Ceti V, he was born on Earth... but he might have a fake ID chit. Lets call space sheriff Arapiao.
 
2012-11-22 12:09:32 AM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: And as I keep asking those who scream about being forced to buy insurance;

Are you angry because you're being forced to buy something you don't want,
Or because you're being forced to buy something you have and want to keep?


No, I'm angry that the government can force me to buy anythng.
 
2012-11-22 12:16:34 AM  
Boner is a really slow learner. I just hope he doesn't wreck the US economy while he wises up. He's an embarassment to Oompa Loompas everywhere.
 
2012-11-22 12:29:09 AM  

NateGrey: [static3.businessinsider.com image 612x612]

Miss me yet?


no.
 
2012-11-22 12:40:29 AM  

mrshowrules: I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.


Any chance he can do an executive order for the 98%?
 
2012-11-22 12:53:30 AM  

bulldg4life: Has anyone pointed out that repealing Obamacare will cost money?


No. Or yes. Maybe.

The problem is, the explanation why it reduces the deficit doesn't fit into a bumper sticker. All Republicans have to say is IT INCREASES FEDERAL SPENDING which is true, but actually is a net savings because of increased revenue as well as a lower projected rate of increase over a decade and transfers of Medicare BUT OBAMA IS TAKING YER $800 BILLION FROM MEDICARE to which you spend a few more minutes explaining increased efficiencies and no benefits or services will be reduced and blah blah.

Every Republican attack can be countered, it just takes a few hundred words for each one.
 
2012-11-22 12:54:43 AM  

cchris_39: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: And as I keep asking those who scream about being forced to buy insurance;

Are you angry because you're being forced to buy something you don't want,
Or because you're being forced to buy something you have and want to keep?

No, I'm angry that the government can force me to buy anythng.


You're not being forced to do anything, chief.
 
2012-11-22 01:14:18 AM  

Popcorn Johnny: Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.

A 1.7 million swing in the popular vote is a very tiny margin.


This is why you are losers. Because you read, watch and believe the propaganda instead of doing investigation.

So far, the official totals are:
Obama: 64,390,077
Romney: 60,221,499
I'll even do the math for you: 4,168,578

A 6.9% lead.

I'll leave it to the serious student to find the source.
 
2012-11-22 01:22:15 AM  
It's not really his fault. Corporate pockets are deep, and it's hard to see the real world for so far down in them.
 
2012-11-22 01:36:25 AM  

Githerax: This is why you are losers. Because you read, watch and believe the propaganda instead of doing investigation.

So far, the official totals are:
Obama: 64,390,077
Romney: 60,221,499
I'll even do the math for you: 4,168,578

A 6.9% lead.

I'll leave it to the serious student to find the source.



Where did I say I was a Republican, you ignorant little twit? Also, you don't seem to have any idea what a swing means, do you? Even if we go with your numbers, which aren't correct by the way, the swing is only a little over 2 million votes.

Do the world a favor and go back to 4chan.
 
2012-11-22 01:40:25 AM  

NateGrey: Republicans are economic terrorists.


Lest we forget Iraq and their circling the wagons of defending torture committed by the state terrorist organization the CIA.
 
2012-11-22 01:49:41 AM  

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.


Newspaper: Meh
Nose-rubbing: Kinda
Hard kick in the ribs: Message sent
 
2012-11-22 02:31:02 AM  
Over the past couple of years, I have noted there are essentially three major routes to repeal of the president's law: the courts, the presidential election process and the congressional oversight process. With two of those three routes having come up short, the third and final one becomes more important than ever.

Perhaps this means the American people have spoken and you should leave it alone.
 
2012-11-22 03:10:03 AM  

UseLessHuman: It's not really his fault. Corporate pockets are deep, and it's hard to see the real world for so far down in them.


Plus, 0bummer shouldn't have scheduled the meeting so late in the day. I mean, 10AM? Shiat, by then Representative Drunky McCriesalot is already 9 whiskey sours into his day. Of course, he's going to say something foolish.
 
2012-11-22 03:28:33 AM  

rufus-t-firefly: Boehner's holding the ACA hostage...but he REALLY sucks at it.

[i48.photobucket.com image 600x442]


Why is that lady holding a mini scimitar. And why is she brandishing it so daintily?
 
2012-11-22 04:27:57 AM  
I heard that the tax increases on the rich will only pay for an additional 8 days per yr of government spending. Is this true? If so, and if no one is willing to make meaningful spending cuts, then we're farked. Subby's headline is right, but that won't help our debt crisis.
 
2012-11-22 04:54:51 AM  
Six pages of buthurt from the left. Love it!
 
2012-11-22 06:15:27 AM  
Add "Butthurt" to the list of terms "conservatives" don't know the meaning of...
 
2012-11-22 06:17:54 AM  

keylock71: Add "Butthurt" to the list of terms "conservatives" don't know the meaning of...


Also "six" and "pages".
 
2012-11-22 07:13:05 AM  

dehehn: [i935.photobucket.com image 394x295]
The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists.


lol
 
2012-11-22 08:54:02 AM  
So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?
 
2012-11-22 09:04:07 AM  

Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?


It's quite early to be drinking, isn't it?
 
2012-11-22 09:08:34 AM  
"Now of course, I believe that the President is an American. But we also want him to sign this affidavit that says he believes he's an American. And a Christian. And that an American has a right to work. And that Communism is bad. And that presidents shouldn't fire generals just to cover up the biggest cover up that's ever been covered up. Just common sense things. Just good, healthy, bipartisan, American things that demonstrate the president has learned the lessons the voters gave him in the recent election. Have you learned, Mr. President? Have you, at last, no shame?"
 
2012-11-22 09:10:38 AM  

Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?


Don't worry, your wallet can shut that whole thing down.
 
2012-11-22 09:24:42 AM  

ramblinwreck: It's quite early to be drinking, isn't it?


Maybe if you're some kind of nancy.
 
2012-11-22 09:35:16 AM  
Here's the real problem,

The Republicans have been on a long, downhill slide over the last 20 to 30 years to the right. It started in the early 1980's with the Religious Right and Ronald Reagans landslide election. It got worse, slowly but surely.

The groundswell of support for George W. Bush after 9/11 was a crystalizing moment, when they thought they ruled America unchecked, and forever. It was like their dreams had come true.

In 2003 Karl Rove rather famously said the plan was for a "Permanent Republican Majority", where the Republican Party controlled the Presidency, a fillibuster-proof supermajority of the Senate, and the House for a generation or more, decades of one-party rule. Democratic politicians would be a vestigial minority representing a handful of incurably "blue" constituencies such as San Francisco and Boston, with no real power in Congress since anything they would say or do would be bowled over by the Republican supermajorities acting in unison.

In 2004, Grover Norquist said that he hoped that soon, Democratic Politicians would be "delivering pizzas" because that's the only job a former Democratic Congressman would be able to get because of the universal stigma and shame of having been an elected Democratic politician.

They got enthralled with the idea of America as a one-party state, with the Republicans being that Party. Unelected party bosses like Norquist and Rove would set policy for the nation, which would be blindly rubber-stamped by the elected puppets of The Party, and the people would be told what to think and believe via FOX News. Elections would exist only to routinely validate the rule of The Party, the outcomes would never be in doubt.

They want that. Not bipartisanship, not democracy, not a Republic, they want a one-party state with them as the one party. They are still stuck in that mentality, that somehow they think thats what the people want, that's what they crave. . .if only they could just somehow make it happen.

This idea that no matter how much they lose on election day, they still have a "mandate" to follow their party line, that no matter how many times their policy plans like repealing the ACA face defeat at the ballot box (and courts), they just do it over again.

The Tea Party movement just made things worse, they helped purge from The Party those politicians who were moderates, who still believed in compromise, in pragmatism, in moderation.

Don't expect bipartisanship, or any level of cooperation from the Republicans, not from the Republican Party of the 21st century, it just wants wants crypto-fascist rule of the US as a one-party state, nothing less.
 
2012-11-22 10:12:35 AM  

tjfly: I heard that the tax increases on the rich will only pay for an additional 8 days per yr of government spending.


I think it's pretty impressive that a minor tax increase on a small percentage Americans could fund a multi trillion dollar government for over a week all by itself.

That number does not take into account in any way, all the other income involved in the budget. Nor does it take into account parts of the government that already pay for themselves.
 
2012-11-22 10:15:30 AM  

Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?


Won't rape my wallet. My paycheck has never had 6 figures in it.

Most Americans will never see 6 figures on their paychecks.

Are you saying you make 6 figures and don't have any savings? You must be terrible at managing your money brosephina.
 
2012-11-22 10:59:19 AM  

Silverstaff: Here's the real problem,

The Republicans have been on a long, downhill slide over the last 20 to 30 years to the right. It started in the early 1980's with the Religious Right and Ronald Reagans landslide election. It got worse, slowly but surely.

The groundswell of support for George W. Bush after 9/11 was a crystalizing moment, when they thought they ruled America unchecked, and forever. It was like their dreams had come true.

In 2003 Karl Rove rather famously said the plan was for a "Permanent Republican Majority", where the Republican Party controlled the Presidency, a fillibuster-proof supermajority of the Senate, and the House for a generation or more, decades of one-party rule. Democratic politicians would be a vestigial minority representing a handful of incurably "blue" constituencies such as San Francisco and Boston, with no real power in Congress since anything they would say or do would be bowled over by the Republican supermajorities acting in unison.

In 2004, Grover Norquist said that he hoped that soon, Democratic Politicians would be "delivering pizzas" because that's the only job a former Democratic Congressman would be able to get because of the universal stigma and shame of having been an elected Democratic politician.

They got enthralled with the idea of America as a one-party state, with the Republicans being that Party. Unelected party bosses like Norquist and Rove would set policy for the nation, which would be blindly rubber-stamped by the elected puppets of The Party, and the people would be told what to think and believe via FOX News. Elections would exist only to routinely validate the rule of The Party, the outcomes would never be in doubt.

They want that. Not bipartisanship, not democracy, not a Republic, they want a one-party state with them as the one party. They are still stuck in that mentality, that somehow they think thats what the people want, that's what they crave. . .if only they could just somehow make it happen. ...


YOUR GUILTY CONSCIENCE may FORCE you to vote Democratic... but deep down inside you all secretly yearn for a cold-hearted Republican to lower taxes, brutalize criminals, AND rule you like a king. That's why i did this - to protect you from yourselves!

/oh my God, the dead have risen and they're voting Republican!
 
2012-11-22 11:54:24 AM  
It isn't a bad arguement. From a fiscally frugal point of view, he has a point. But this guy cries, whines and disappoints so often with his meager grasp of complexity that it seems impossible to know if that arguement is actually legitimate. What is the real cost of the AMA? Is that short term or long term cost? What's more expensive to the overall economy/health/stability of the nation over the progressive course of time: the up-front cost of the insurance to businesses and consumers, or the cost of healthcare for preventable conditions as the citizenry gets older? Are initial pains and losses worth the eventual gains of the investment in making healthcare accessible to more people? Would a single-payer option have prevented this debate in the first place? Is the AMA acceptable because of its benefits in the face of a looming economic crisis, or is the principle of individual responsibility more important in maintaining the cultural stability of the nation? What is a nation if not the aggregate lives of its citizens?

Lots of questions.
 
2012-11-22 12:19:16 PM  

Aracnix: It isn't a bad arguement. From a fiscally frugal point of view, he has a point. But this guy cries, whines and disappoints so often with his meager grasp of complexity that it seems impossible to know if that arguement is actually legitimate. What is the real cost of the AMA? Is that short term or long term cost? What's more expensive to the overall economy/health/stability of the nation over the progressive course of time: the up-front cost of the insurance to businesses and consumers, or the cost of healthcare for preventable conditions as the citizenry gets older? Are initial pains and losses worth the eventual gains of the investment in making healthcare accessible to more people? Would a single-payer option have prevented this debate in the first place? Is the AMA acceptable because of its benefits in the face of a looming economic crisis, or is the principle of individual responsibility more important in maintaining the cultural stability of the nation? What is a nation if not the aggregate lives of its citizens?

Lots of questions.


No, he doesn't, and Boehner has no idea what he's talking about. If Boehner were even slightly informed, he'd love the ACA because it cuts the deficit by over $100 billion over the next decade, and several hundred billion dollars more in the following decade. Is Boehner's argument that we can't afford to reduce the budget shortfall? Is Boehner's argument that he intends to cut the deficit by making the deficit worse? Boehner's neocon talking points are at odds with reality. No, there aren't lots of questions which haven't been answered. It's just that the neocons have rejected the fact-based world, and substituted their own.
 
2012-11-22 01:06:33 PM  

Notabunny: No, he doesn't, and Boehner has no idea what he's talking about. If Boehner were even slightly informed, he'd love the ACA because it cuts the deficit by over $100 billion over the next decade, and several hundred billion dollars more in the following decade. Is Boehner's argument that we can't afford to reduce the budget shortfall? Is Boehner's argument that he intends to cut the deficit by making the deficit worse? Boehner's neocon talking points are at odds with reality. No, there aren't lots of questions which haven't been answered. It's just that the neocons have rejected the fact-based world, and substituted their own.


On the contrary, Boehner knows exactly what he's talking about...or rather, talking to: the GOP base. Never mind that most Americans, and more every day, support and want ACA, the core of of the GOP doesn't. Moreover, the Democrat in the White House wants and supports it, which is reason enough right there to publicly oppose it.
 
2012-11-22 02:12:10 PM  

that bosnian sniper: FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.

I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.


Here's an example... http://www.mountainx.com/article/40720 /New-voting-districts-dramatical ly-impact-WNC

Individual redistricting effects are often difficult to explain to someone who isn't from the affected area, but I'll give it a shot... this setup is called the "Pink Peninsula Plan" by its detractors.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mounta in-Residents-Opposed-to-the-Pink - Peninsula-Plan/

Previously, the 11th and 10th districts in NC were drawn using a fairly simple geometric shape, with the border between the two essentially following the line of the foothills. The city of Asheville was centrally located in the 11th district. After the redistricting, Buncombe County and the city of Asheville were quite literally cut in half. Half was added to the 10th district through a "peninsula" extending from Charlotte to Asheville. At the same time, several counties were taken from the 10th district and added to the 11th.

Before the redistricting, the 10th district was reliably Democrat and the 11th was more of a "swing district". After the redistricting, over 9,000 registered Democrats from the 11th (including me) are now voting in the 10th district. At the same time, more than 26,000 registered Republicans were moved from 10 to 11. This turned the swing district into a reliably Republican vote while not affecting district 10's Democratic vote.

The linked Facebook page has a graphic that shows just how ridiculous the new plan is.
 
2012-11-22 07:04:15 PM  

fluffy2097: Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?

Won't rape my wallet. My paycheck has never had 6 figures in it.

Most Americans will never see 6 figures on their paychecks.

Are you saying you make 6 figures and don't have any savings? You must be terrible at managing your money brosephina.


Nope, but he's raping my wallet. Gas prices, new Obamacare related medical spending account restrictions resulting in a tax increase to people making less that $50k a year.
 
2012-11-22 07:29:22 PM  

Tumunga: fluffy2097: Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?

Won't rape my wallet. My paycheck has never had 6 figures in it.

Most Americans will never see 6 figures on their paychecks.

Are you saying you make 6 figures and don't have any savings? You must be terrible at managing your money brosephina.

Nope, but he's raping my wallet. Gas prices, new Obamacare related medical spending account restrictions resulting in a tax increase to people making less that $50k a year.


I simply cannot believe that there are still people on this planet that believe that the president of the United States has any say, whatsoever, in what gas costs at the pump. It's simply astounding. And deeply disturbing.
 
2012-11-22 07:53:32 PM  

Githerax: Popcorn Johnny: Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.

A 1.7 million swing in the popular vote is a very tiny margin.

This is why you are losers. Because you read, watch and believe the propaganda instead of doing investigation.

So far, the official totals are:
Obama: 64,390,077
Romney: 60,221,499
I'll even do the math for you: 4,168,578

A 6.9% lead.

I'll leave it to the serious student to find the source.


Well, sort of. Obama got 6.9% more votes than Romney; but the 'lead', as one usually says, has to do with the percentage of the votes they got. Ignoring third-party votes, that's 51.67% vs 48.33%, and so a 3.35% lead. Factoring in the third-party votes, it's ~3%.

Although, now that I think about it, I think we should switch to your way of speaking about 'leads', since it is more clear. In a 1/3rd vs 2/3rds blowout, the winner would have 100% more votes, but only a 33.33% lead. Also, third-party votes shrink the so-called lead, even though it has nothing to do how much more popular the winner was than the runner up. That Obama got ~107 votes for every 100 Romney votes is more telling than his ~3% lead.
 
2012-11-22 08:06:50 PM  

Dougie AXP: Tumunga: fluffy2097: Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?

Won't rape my wallet. My paycheck has never had 6 figures in it.

Most Americans will never see 6 figures on their paychecks.

Are you saying you make 6 figures and don't have any savings? You must be terrible at managing your money brosephina.

Nope, but he's raping my wallet. Gas prices, new Obamacare related medical spending account restrictions resulting in a tax increase to people making less that $50k a year.

I simply cannot believe that there are still people on this planet that believe that the president of the United States has any say, whatsoever, in what gas costs at the pump. It's simply astounding. And deeply disturbing.


Actually, in a way Obama did have to do with the so-called increase in gas prices, but in fact it is a good thing because it is the result of economic recovery. With the economic crisis, and the free-fall in the markets, came a brief period where gas prices were low. Obama came into office when they were at that low. The economic recovery swung the gas prices back up to their pre-crisis levels. (Well, almost. Prices are actually slightly lower now than they were just a few months before Obama took office.)

So, thank you Obama, for taking the actions which resulted in a better economy, and with that higher gas prices.

/Just comparing gas prices alone, without a grasp of what was going on economically, is as stupid as comparing the unemployment at each time without paying attention to the fact that back then we were losing hundreds of thousands of jobs every month, and now we are gaining them.
//Many Republicans have the tendency to do both.
 
2012-11-22 10:59:47 PM  

Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?


That's very interesting. Where did you get the idea that Obamacare is for illegals?

I wouldn't recommend calling people farktards.
 
2012-11-22 11:08:24 PM  

Tumunga: fluffy2097: Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?

Won't rape my wallet. My paycheck has never had 6 figures in it.

Most Americans will never see 6 figures on their paychecks.

Are you saying you make 6 figures and don't have any savings? You must be terrible at managing your money brosephina.

Nope, but he's raping my wallet. Gas prices, new Obamacare related medical spending account restrictions resulting in a tax increase to people making less that $50k a year.


Gas prices are set by the free market. You do like the free market don't you? I mean you're not some sort of socialist or anything who wants the price of gas regulated are you?

Medical account spending restrictions? What is that?
 
2012-11-23 03:12:37 AM  
"Over the past couple of years, I have noted there are essentially three major routes to repeal of the president's law: the courts, the presidential election process and the congressional oversight process. With two of those three routes having come up short, the third and final one becomes more important than ever."

Congress had their bite at this.. THEY PASSED THE DAMNED LAW.

Congress did its job (badly but eventually). The president did his. The Supreme court did theirs (they should never have been called on but still). The law has passed all of the mechanisms that exist on the route to a law, and on top of that the American people emphasised their support by reelecting the people who supported it.

Game farking Over. Grow up.
 
2012-11-23 08:03:55 AM  

tallguywithglasseson: namatad: Yup
I am CERTAIN that gerrymandering had NOTHING to do with this.
sigh

Gerrymandering and redistricting plays a role for sure, but honestly if you tried to even it out so popular votes were closer to the # of reps, the district maps might look even worse than they do now.
Urban areas are denser and tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats (like mine, a fairly normal looking map, Minneapolis and near suburbs- MN-5, 75% and 260k+ votes for Ellison).
You'd end up with cities being split up like a pie among many districts, then the districts would each snake out to suburban, exurban and rural areas. You'd likely end with even more districts containing communities that have little to do with each other -- this does happen now, obviously, and it's not hard to find lulz-worthy examples (people post the maps here all the time, IL, MD have some doozies).

Again not saying gerrymandering doesn't exist. Just that it might look even worse the more you try to 'even' things out. 
And not to go all both-sides-are-bad (I'm a Democrat), but Democrats do represent some of those lulz-y looking districts.


The Ohio GOP created a district that, somehow, encompasses Toledo and Cleveland. Cities that have nothing in common. They did this by stretching the district over Lake Erie. It's an hour drive from here to there in a fairly populated area. In doing so they were able to get Kucinich out of office. Gerrymandring is a huge problem and right now, it's a GOP created problem.
 
2012-11-23 01:45:24 PM  

ramblinwreck: Tumunga: So Obama is willing to rape our wallets to pay for healthcare for the illegals, and it's ok with you farktards?

It's quite early to be drinking, isn't it?


Bloody Mary's are pretty tasty this time of the morning.
 
2012-11-23 07:31:40 PM  

Jgok: that bosnian sniper: FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.

I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.

Here's an example... http://www.mountainx.com/article/40720 /New-voting-districts-dramatical ly-impact-WNC

Individual redistricting effects are often difficult to explain to someone who isn't from the affected area, but I'll give it a shot... this setup is called the "Pink Peninsula Plan" by its detractors.

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Mounta in-Residents-Opposed-to-the-Pink - Peninsula-Plan/

Previously, the 11th and 10th districts in NC were drawn using a fairly simple geometric shape, with the border between the two essentially following the line of the foothills. The city of Asheville was centrally located in the 11th district. After the redistricting, Buncombe County and the city of Asheville were quite literally cut in half. Half was added to the 10th district through a "peninsula" extending from Charlotte to Asheville. At the same time, several counties were taken from the 10th district and added to the 11th.

Before the redistricting, the 10th district was reliably Democrat and the 11th was more of a "swing district". After the redistricting, over 9,000 registered Democrats from the 11th (including me) are now voting in the 10th district. At the same time, more than 26,000 registered Republicans were moved from 10 to 11. This turned the swing district into a reliably Republican vote while not affecting district 10's Democratic vote.

The linked Facebook page has a graphic that shows just how ridiculous the new plan is.


I ran for the Dem US House nomination in NC10 this year...
 
SH
2012-11-24 11:39:10 AM  

SuperTramp: Somebody needs to go to Ohio and talk to the FARKING MORONS that keep re-electing this asswipe.


i.imgur.com

I wrote in myself. Apparently I lost.
 
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