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(Talking Points Memo)   Intent on losing his job as Speaker, Boehner goes to the well one last time: Obamacare must go as part of any fiscal cliff deal   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 325
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2012-11-21 04:16:08 PM

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


Except for the specifics, that still appears to be true. Of course, it's the specifics that get brought up in TV ads, and so it's still wrong as far as voting goes. People will vote against someone who makes their 23-year old get off their plan, or tries to re-instill pre-existing condition exclusions.

Also, anyone who understands math (yes, not the majority and certainly not anyone who votes R) understands that centralised health insurance reduces amortised risk to it's minimum and removes the profit drain that has zero value add (profit in insurance doesn't cause innovation in insurance math! There is still profit in medical devices, since they are still privately sold).

Also, anyone who believes in true "classical liberal or libertarian" philosophy should understand that health care, like the military and police, is one of the few legitimate defensive uses of government. It obeys all the classical reasons for defensive government and the libertarian criteria of legitimacy: it obeys an economics of scale and is universally applicable. It is absurd to believe that there is some magical cutoff in size where organisms bigger than that size are something government must defend it's citizens against and smaller than that, well fark it, that's too far.
 
2012-11-21 04:17:34 PM
Elections have consequences.
 
2012-11-21 04:17:43 PM
 
2012-11-21 04:17:51 PM

Raharu: DemonEater: tallguywithglasseson: GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

But they KEPT the HOUSE, so OBVIOUSLY that's a MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE

A herp is as good as a derp to a blind man!


I felt if I didn't type the wacky caps, but posted straight, everyone would take me totally seriously

/well, as seriously as they take randomjsa, anyway
 
2012-11-21 04:18:52 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.


I suggest something closer to Old Yeller.
 
2012-11-21 04:21:33 PM

mrshowrules: I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.


As long as he explains it to the country in terms of "Those assholes," not his usual conciliatory "We."
 
2012-11-21 04:23:12 PM

ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.


I don't have him farkied as an idiot. I have him farkied as a moran.
 
2012-11-21 04:25:06 PM

CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker: Holocaust Agnostic: CPennypacker:REPUBLICANS HAVE WASTED 50 MILLION DOLLARS OF OUR MONEY TRYING TO REPEAL A BILL THAT IS PAID FOR AND GIVES MANDATES AMERICANS BUY MORE EXPENSIVE HEALTHCARE.

so you agree they are wasting our money?

Yes, the bill is not overturnable nor likely to become so soon.

Every day it doesn't get overturned is a day people get to experience and understand more of what the bill actually does. Every day the prospects of overturn get worse. Its as overturnable now as it will ever be.


You mean like the stuff that happened yesterday?

ftnyt The Obama administration took a big step on Tuesday to carry out the new health care law by defining "essential health benefits" that must be offered to most Americans and by allowing employers to offer much bigger financial rewards to employees who quit smoking or adopt other healthy behaviors. [...]
 
2012-11-21 04:27:34 PM

More_Like_A_Stain: ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.

I don't have him farkied as an idiot. I have him farkied as a moran.


Are you sure you're giving him too much credit? A moran is someone with a mental age of 8 - 12 years, An idiot has a mental age of 3 or less.
 
2012-11-21 04:28:59 PM

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


Didnt your guy campaign on repealing and replacing on day 1?

How did the American people like that?
 
2012-11-21 04:29:04 PM
I will send Obama 5 Canadian Dollars if he agrees, but only on the condition that the US goes single payer.
 
2012-11-21 04:31:40 PM

Mercutio74: I will send Obama 5 Canadian Dollars if he agrees, but only on the condition that the US goes single payer.


You will need more than $5cn to get him to compromise his fundamental faith in the free market.
 
2012-11-21 04:33:10 PM
What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?
 
2012-11-21 04:34:14 PM

dumbobruni: Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.

clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked


Do it. I'll grit my teeth until the last Republican Congressman is dangling from a lampost.
 
2012-11-21 04:37:39 PM

serpent_sky: Do they not understand that people, in general, want health care reform? And don't want to use visits to the emergency room (thanks, Mitt Romney) as their primary form of health care? I guess not.

They're absolutely determined to sink this country. It's ironic, considering all of their doom and gloom regarding the President's "agenda" to do that. Not that they could possibly be projecting anything....

But I really don't understand their plan. Piss off the entire country, when the blame obviously and openly falls on their own shoulders? How do they see that working out for them?


Because the only "news" of this their base will get is how the evil dems destroyed the economy. If only the heroic republicans could have cut taxes on the job creators...
 
2012-11-21 04:37:44 PM

cameroncrazy1984: I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.


Surely this is just the share of the premium your employer is deducting from your check. Your full premium is not $27/mo for that kind of plan, probably more like $200/mo.
 
2012-11-21 04:38:43 PM

cameroncrazy1984: randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it

Yeah, it's amazing that we think so, when only 33% of Americans are for repealing it.

How weird is that?


You know what else the right-wing media isn't telling the "fiscally responsible" Teabaggers?

Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.

img.photobucket.com 

/threadjack over
 
2012-11-21 04:39:10 PM

Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?


They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:13 PM

jigger: cameroncrazy1984: I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.

Surely this is just the share of the premium your employer is deducting from your check. Your full premium is not $27/mo for that kind of plan, probably more like $200/mo.


Well, yeah. I didn't say anything other than what I was paying.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:44 PM

Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?


The part where he doesn't get to keep using congress to give sloppy blowjobs to every big business robber baron scumbag he knows.
 
2012-11-21 04:40:51 PM

jigger: Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?

They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.


Because clearly there's no way they can lose seats in 2014 if they're blamed for this.
 
2012-11-21 04:43:11 PM

fuhfuhfuh: Probably not. Chances are their unskewed polling tells them that should the shiat hit the fan, the public will blame Obama and not them. Also, the same polling tells them that the nation opposes the ACA, so they will only shine as winners if they continue to oppose it.


hahahahaha
THIS
You totally nailed THIS.
The GOP have been living in a self-supporting delusion for so long now, that reality clearly can not be real. THAT IS CRAZY TALK!!!
 
2012-11-21 04:43:28 PM

cameroncrazy1984: jigger: Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?

They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.

Because clearly there's no way they can lose seats in 2014 if they're blamed for this.


That's two years from now. American attention span and all that.
 
2012-11-21 04:44:19 PM

jigger: cameroncrazy1984: jigger: Five Tails of Fury: What part of "YOU GUYS FARKING LOST!!" do these assclowns not get?

They still have a majority in the House. Status quo ante, so go with the same strategy as before.

Because clearly there's no way they can lose seats in 2014 if they're blamed for this.

That's two years from now. American attention span and all that.


I don't think we have as short of an attention span as you suggest. I mean, we did re-elect Obama because Mitt couldn't successfully pin the recession on him.
 
2012-11-21 04:44:54 PM

tallguywithglasseson: Dems - 49% popular vote, 46.2% of seats
Repubs - 48.2% popular vote, 53.8% of seats


Yup
I am CERTAIN that gerrymandering had NOTHING to do with this.
sigh

It would be nice one day to once again have a people's house
 
2012-11-21 04:45:58 PM

Notabunny: Believe it or not, the federal deficit has fallen faster over the past three years than it has in any such stretch since demobilization from World War II.


See? And to think that Obama wanted to raise taxes.
 
2012-11-21 04:46:48 PM

mksmith: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

I suggest something closer to Old Yeller.


What's he got to do with it?

msa4.files.wordpress.com
 
2012-11-21 04:48:09 PM

NateGrey: [www.people-press.org image 294x347]

Republicans are economic terrorists.


Difficulty: The GOP spent the entire campaign ignoring or denying polls showing their guy losing.
 
2012-11-21 04:48:41 PM
i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-21 04:50:00 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


This is very true -- here in Canada, even the most right wing conservatives won't go near the topic of reducing or limiting public health care. It's political suicide. The guy who brought about public health care in Canada is fairly universally recognized as the greatest Canadian to ever have ever lived. Tommy Douglas. And he was as left as one can get in politics here and still get any votes.

This, I'm sure, terrifies the GOP (or at least those aware of it).

They have a very short window to kill it before it becomes permanently entrenched. And it seems they know it.
If they don't kill it, they worry (rightly) that Obama will be remembered with Washington and Lincoln as one of the truly great Presidents.

And Obama's second term makes it virtually impossible to kill. Welcome to the rest of the industrialized world Americans. With a little more work, you'll have single payer, and be able to join the ranks of civilized society. (Ok, that may be stretching things a bit, I admit.)
 
2012-11-21 04:53:44 PM

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


Yeah, I think most conservatives would actually hate living in 1962. I'll bet most liberals would too. fark 1962.
 
2012-11-21 04:54:35 PM

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


I think I peed a little laughing. Thank you ; )
 
2012-11-21 05:03:07 PM
i935.photobucket.com
The United States doesn't negotiate with terrorists.
 
2012-11-21 05:03:46 PM

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


In fairness, that is EXACTLY what folks fear...
 
2012-11-21 05:05:36 PM

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


they have been consoled by this this polling. which if i understand it isn't a ringing endorsement for repeal.
 
2012-11-21 05:06:48 PM
This guy is a jerk.

I can only hope for some underage stripper to come forth with compromising pictures of the two of them and a badger.
 
2012-11-21 05:08:18 PM

Nadie_AZ: [i.imgur.com image 850x1119]


BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

[RIGHT-CLICK, SAVE PICTURE AS.....]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!
 
2012-11-21 05:13:17 PM

CynicalLA: You have to make the Tea Tards happy.


They're not going to be happy as long as the president is black.
 
2012-11-21 05:16:28 PM

zarberg: Satanic_Hamster: tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

I have him farked as "apparent troll account."

I have him farkied as "go easy on him, he's from Florida"


I have him stamped as "Homophobic partisan troll"
 
2012-11-21 05:16:37 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


well except that they lost a few seats yeah. that +8 may not put them in control but it should, i said should, get their attention. doesn't look like it so far.
 
2012-11-21 05:23:38 PM
Yes, GOP, keep fighting to take away the law that gives me access to the drugs I need to stay alive... then keep complaining about how I should be happier if you took those same tax dollars and spent them on another war with Iran instead. Keep trying to peddle that BS and see how many elections you win.
 
2012-11-21 05:34:21 PM

mksmith: dumbobruni: Virtual Pariah: Now, I need to understand this.

If we go over the cliff, what does that entail exactly?

Return to Clinton era tax rates and Defense Sequestration?

If that's all, I may be ok with that.

clinton era tax rates return
2% payroll tax cuts eliminated
unemployment benefit extensions eliminated
AMT revises back to 2000 levels
$110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense, plus 25% decline in Medicare disbursements.
Pell grants farked

Do it. I'll grit my teeth until the last Republican Congressman is dangling from a lampost.


clinton era tax rates return 2% payroll tax cuts eliminated unemployment benefit extensions eliminated AMT revises back to 2000 levels $110 billion in annual spending cuts, split between defense and non-defense 25% decline in Medicare disbursements. Pell grants farked
I refuse to believe anybody would be dumb enough to let the AMT fall back and to hurt Medicare disbursements. The Democrats will no doubt make a bill just to fix those two, and if the Republicans refuse, there will literally be Congressmen hanging from lamposts. The other stuff won't be fun, but we can handle it, and it's far better than doing nothing.
 
2012-11-21 05:35:03 PM
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Really Republicans? get a clue . give the teatards the boot and get down to a proper compromise.
 
2012-11-21 05:36:48 PM
That was just...weird. Not what I wrote at all. Oh well.

I did write this:

"I refuse to believe anybody would be dumb enough to let the AMT fall back and to hurt Medicare disbursements. The Democrats will no doubt make a bill just to fix those two, and if the Republicans refuse, there will literally be Congressmen hanging from lamposts. The other stuff won't be fun, but we can handle it, and it's far better than doing nothing."

and ignore the earlier stuff.
 
2012-11-21 05:39:25 PM
They have decided to stick to the rape thing, I guess. Chicken rape, i.e.
 
2012-11-21 05:39:50 PM
i258.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-21 05:43:47 PM

namatad: Yup
I am CERTAIN that gerrymandering had NOTHING to do with this.
sigh


Gerrymandering and redistricting plays a role for sure, but honestly if you tried to even it out so popular votes were closer to the # of reps, the district maps might look even worse than they do now.
Urban areas are denser and tend to vote overwhelmingly for Democrats (like mine, a fairly normal looking map, Minneapolis and near suburbs- MN-5, 75% and 260k+ votes for Ellison).
You'd end up with cities being split up like a pie among many districts, then the districts would each snake out to suburban, exurban and rural areas. You'd likely end with even more districts containing communities that have little to do with each other -- this does happen now, obviously, and it's not hard to find lulz-worthy examples (people post the maps here all the time, IL, MD have some doozies).

Again not saying gerrymandering doesn't exist. Just that it might look even worse the more you try to 'even' things out. 
And not to go all both-sides-are-bad (I'm a Democrat), but Democrats do represent some of those lulz-y looking districts.
 
2012-11-21 05:49:06 PM

jasimo: that bosnian sniper: FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.

I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.

This'll get you started.
Wiki (yeah, I know)
Fair Vote


Well, 'cording to Fair Vote, there's not much anyone can do unless they straighten out these gerrymanders. I'd stay things are farked until then, I live in a southern state and don't see that happening anytime soon. My county/city was recently gerry'd to a Republican advantage.
 
2012-11-21 06:01:58 PM

Raharu: randomjsa:
[www.kimballstock.com image 510x340]
So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


That is one healthy looking animal there.... er.. what's your point? (pops; hint: none)
 
2012-11-21 06:04:14 PM

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


ObamaCare was passed into law. It survived a Supreme Court challenge. Campaigning on repealing ObamaCare failed miserably. Billionaire business owners firing people for phantom ObamaCare costs have only hurt their own image.

So if the Republicans want to charge that line again, I encourage them to do so. We'll write an epic poem for them.
 
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