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(Talking Points Memo)   Intent on losing his job as Speaker, Boehner goes to the well one last time: Obamacare must go as part of any fiscal cliff deal   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 325
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2012-11-21 03:27:12 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


Not even close to true. But you already knew that.
 
2012-11-21 03:28:33 PM

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


Worth citing.

Dems - 49% popular vote, 46.2% of seats
Repubs - 48.2% popular vote, 53.8% of seats

(From the 2nd link with the more up-to-date numbers)

Link 
Link
 
2012-11-21 03:29:03 PM

CorporatePerson: Ever notice that Republicans never propose any solutions, they just waste time trying in vain to undo existing laws?


That's because they're reactionaries. They no longer have any defining ideals of their own.
 
2012-11-21 03:29:31 PM

that bosnian sniper: I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.


See above.
 
2012-11-21 03:29:48 PM

way south: big ticket item that Democrats desperately need


Desperately need? There ain't nothing desperate about it. It's not going anywhere and the Dems know it.
 
2012-11-21 03:30:50 PM

tallguywithglasseson: that bosnian sniper: I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.

See above.


Much appreciated.
 
2012-11-21 03:31:08 PM

that bosnian sniper: FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.

I'm not debating this point, but can I get a (credible) citation for this? I've looked multiple times over and can't find one for the life of me, and it would be nice to back up my arguments in further discussions.


This'll get you started.
Wiki (yeah, I know)
Fair Vote
 
2012-11-21 03:31:09 PM

Evil High Priest: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Not even close to true. But you already knew that.


Shhh... let them keep farking that chicken, it brings us joy.
 
2012-11-21 03:32:08 PM

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


I'm okay with that. There's only so long those tricks can keep them relevant. If they hadn't kept the HoR they might actually be taking pause and addressing their issues. Keeping control of the HoR for the next couple elections might be what ultimately keeps them from addressing their core problems until it is too late.

/or not, who knows
 
2012-11-21 03:33:38 PM

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Did the Democrats win back Congress? No, only eight seats. This is clearly a mandate for the people to support the Republicans and end once and for all the tyranny of Obama!

Or so the reasoning goes. Pretty twisted farked up reasoning, but reasoning nonetheless.
 
2012-11-21 03:34:43 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


I've said this before; but if the US eventually moves towards the Canadian model of delivering health care, and it's politically popular (*don't see why it wouldn't be), I would be shocked if the Republicans DON"T try to take credit for it...

/ "saving small businesses from unreasonable health care costs"
// " making health care leaner and more efficient"
 
2012-11-21 03:36:30 PM

The Evil That Lies In The Hearts Of Men: There are those who learn by deduction.
There are those that learn from observation.
There are those that have to piss on the electric fence for themselves.
And then there is the house GOP.


Wouldn't that be learning by conduction?
 
2012-11-21 03:38:06 PM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.


Didn't the GOP gain seats?
 
2012-11-21 03:41:27 PM

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?


Heck yeah they did!

/if you use Fox News as your major source of information.
 
2012-11-21 03:41:34 PM

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?


See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:03 PM

Forbidden Doughnut: God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.

I've said this before; but if the US eventually moves towards the Canadian model of delivering health care, and it's politically popular (*don't see why it wouldn't be), I would be shocked if the Republicans DON"T try to take credit for it...

/ "saving small businesses from unreasonable health care costs"
// " making health care leaner and more efficient"


The Republicans should take credit for it. It's their idea. The Heritage Foundation thought of it, Gingrich's Congress fought for it, and Romney was the first to implement it. The real insanity is them now fighting tooth and nail against the idea they wanted 5-10 years ago.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:20 PM
I suppose we're ignoring the fact that the deficit isn't a problem, especially under these conditions of such incredibly low capacity utilization of both Capital and Labor?

if that's the case, it's worth pointing out the Boehner might as well get as much as he can -especially since Obama's starting position is probably something the GOP could live with.

Ignoring how horribly inappropriate this policy is for the current context, it's worth pointing out that if it weren't for Obama's disgusting and reprehensible positions on the homosexual issue, he'd make a pretty good Republican President.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:25 PM

david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?


GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.
 
2012-11-21 03:42:26 PM

ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.


That's not true. Some of us have never seen him before.
 
2012-11-21 03:43:29 PM

tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


Be gentle. He's a conservative. They're not too good with numbers. Now, colors and shapes, on the other hand...
 
2012-11-21 03:46:01 PM

way south: Health care reform is a big ticket item that Democrats desperately need and the Republicans want gone.


Passed by both houses of Congress, signed by the President, upheld by the Supreme Court.

Oh but House Teabaggers have a problem, everyone panic!
 
2012-11-21 03:47:48 PM

tallguywithglasseson: GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


But they KEPT the HOUSE, so OBVIOUSLY that's a MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE
 
2012-11-21 03:50:16 PM

david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?


Even when Republicans lose they think they won.

What is it with you people.
 
2012-11-21 03:50:30 PM
1) Repeal ACA
2) Old white people in the obesity belt die sooner than if they had coverage
3) GOP loses more elections

I don't think they thought their cunning plan through
 
2012-11-21 03:51:42 PM

doctor wu: What a disgusting excuse for a human being. The good thing is he will be hounded by his worthless legacy to his dying days.


In a sane world, this might be true. Instead, he will remain in office, albeit it not as Speaker, as long as he pleases. Then he will move over to K Street for a few years at the lobby trough, before retiring a very wealthy man.

Sorry.
 
2012-11-21 03:51:43 PM

DemonEater: tallguywithglasseson: GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

But they KEPT the HOUSE, so OBVIOUSLY that's a MANDATE FROM THE PEOPLE


A herp is as good as a derp to a blind man!
 
2012-11-21 03:51:59 PM

Hunter_Worthington: Obama's disgusting and reprehensible positions on the homosexual issue, he'd make a pretty good Republican President.


His disgusting and reprehensible position that the government has no business telling adults who they can and cannot marry? I thought Republicans were all about smaller government getting out of peoples' lives and back to the very narrow boundaries set out in the Articles of Confederation Constitution. Explain why small Constitution-focused government still has the right to barge into my private decision-making?

On second thought, don't bother. Unless you're trolling (in which case, subtly done with the "conservaderp" + "Obama's an excellent Republican"), just sit there and be silly.

// and thanks for giving me an outlet to waste a few minutes before quittin' time
 
2012-11-21 03:52:36 PM

way south: ITT: We pretend to not know how politics works.

Health care reform is a big ticket item that Democrats desperately need and the Republicans want gone.
So the right stonewalls until the left trades things of equal or greater value.

/This is where a politicians skill in cutting deals comes in.
/and also why the budget is out of control.
/Every senator on the opposing team has a wish list and its farking Christmas.


So what you're saying is that these morons still think they're bargaining from a position of strength.
 
2012-11-21 03:53:14 PM

limeyfellow: Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.

Did the Democrats win back Congress? No, only eight seats. This is clearly a mandate for the people to support the Republicans and end once and for all the tyranny of Obama!

Or so the reasoning goes. Pretty twisted farked up reasoning, but reasoning nonetheless.


Cue Inigo Montoyo.
 
2012-11-21 03:53:36 PM

tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


I have him farked as "apparent troll account."
 
2012-11-21 03:53:41 PM

SuperTramp: Somebody needs to go to Ohio and talk to the FARKING MORONS that keep re-electing this asswipe.


It would help if the Dems actually ran someone against him. He ran unopposed.

I'm about 5 miles east of his district, so I have no say in the matter.
 
2012-11-21 03:54:38 PM

tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.


GOP math!
 
2012-11-21 03:55:34 PM
These assheads really just cannot STAND the idea of people not being condemned to a gruesome death because their condition was deemed "pre-existing".
 
2012-11-21 03:56:26 PM
So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it?

Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.
 
2012-11-21 03:58:01 PM

randomjsa: Please keep thinking that and while you're at it remove the giant middle finger from the faces of the majority of Americans who remain against ObamaCare.


The silent majority, am I right?

They vote Democratic now.
 
2012-11-21 03:58:02 PM

randomjsa: So you're still under this delusion that ObamaCare is some wonderful, popular, thing and that its political suicide to be so against it


Yeah, it's amazing that we think so, when only 33% of Americans are for repealing it.

How weird is that?
 
2012-11-21 03:58:31 PM

MBickert: I almost want the GOP to get their wish. Then when health insurance premiums don't drop (because all my republican friends firmly believe that is why premiums went up) hopefully they will see the error in their ways. Who am I kidding no they won't.


I dunno about you, but my premiums just went down for next year for slightly better coverage.

yes, I was pretty shocked by that.
 
2012-11-21 03:59:43 PM

Satanic_Hamster: tallguywithglasseson: david_gaithersburg: Didn't the GOP gain seats?

GOP went from 47 seats to 45 in the Senate
GOP went from 241 seats to 234 in the House.

So, no. The GOP did not gain seats.

I have him farked as "apparent troll account."


I have him farkied as "go easy on him, he's from Florida"
 
2012-11-21 04:00:53 PM

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


In some cases, it really is smarter to just go down when you're in a fight you know you'll lose. If you keep swinging, he's only going to keep beating you. And that's what's going to happen unless Boehner wises up and stops trying to convince the rubes that he's ideologically pure.
 
2012-11-21 04:02:12 PM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: MBickert: I almost want the GOP to get their wish. Then when health insurance premiums don't drop (because all my republican friends firmly believe that is why premiums went up) hopefully they will see the error in their ways. Who am I kidding no they won't.

I dunno about you, but my premiums just went down for next year for slightly better coverage.

yes, I was pretty shocked by that.


I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.
 
2012-11-21 04:02:27 PM

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


I must repectfully disagree. *I* am a functioning alcoholic.

he's a jackwagon.
 
2012-11-21 04:02:42 PM

Evil High Priest: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Not even close to true. But you already knew that.


Truth? Facts? I think this elections cycle proved the Right are impervious to both.
 
2012-11-21 04:03:44 PM

mcwehrle: PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.

I must repectfully disagree. *I* am a functioning alcoholic.

he's a jackwagon.


*reSpectfully.

ok, so I'm an almost functional alcoholic.

He's still a jackwagon.
 
2012-11-21 04:05:50 PM
You lost. Get over it.

...I have waited so long to say that.
 
2012-11-21 04:07:04 PM

cameroncrazy1984: Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: MBickert: I almost want the GOP to get their wish. Then when health insurance premiums don't drop (because all my republican friends firmly believe that is why premiums went up) hopefully they will see the error in their ways. Who am I kidding no they won't.

I dunno about you, but my premiums just went down for next year for slightly better coverage.

yes, I was pretty shocked by that.

I just re-enrolled in the same plan $0 copays for most things, $0 deductible, $27 and change for the month.

Same price as I was paying last year.


I wish that was the scenario where I'm at people have are seeing back to back 10% per year rate increases
 
2012-11-21 04:07:56 PM
If I was Obama:

Ok we get rid of Obamacare IF we raise taxes high enough on people making over $250,000/yr enough so we can buy healthcare for everyone who makes $50k or less.

Deal?
 
2012-11-21 04:08:50 PM

mcwehrle: He's still a jackwagon.


Heh heh heh.
 
2012-11-21 04:09:32 PM

MBickert: I wish that was the scenario where I'm at people have are seeing back to back 10% per year rate increases


So then it's a lost better than the previous years we were seeing 30% + rate increase then, isn't it?
 
2012-11-21 04:14:11 PM

Corvus: MBickert: I wish that was the scenario where I'm at people have are seeing back to back 10% per year rate increases

So then it's a lost better than the previous years we were seeing 30% + rate increase then, isn't it?


I agree, but they don't remember the past they only see now.
 
2012-11-21 04:15:32 PM

CPennypacker: ghare: david_gaithersburg: Grand_Moff_Joseph: The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.

Didn't the GOP gain seats?

See, this is why every single person on Fark has you farkied as an idiot.

That's not true. Some of us have never seen him before.


And some of us have never felt it worth the click.
 
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