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(Talking Points Memo)   Intent on losing his job as Speaker, Boehner goes to the well one last time: Obamacare must go as part of any fiscal cliff deal   (livewire.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 324
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2012-11-21 10:44:00 AM
The voters hit the GOP on their noses with a newspaper, but I guess that didn't work as well as they thought it did. Maybe it's time to rub their noses in their own derp piles.
 
2012-11-21 10:45:41 AM
yeah, good luck with that.
 
2012-11-21 10:52:14 AM
Honestly, despite the damage to the economy, it would almost be fun to watch the blowback the GOP gets for sinking the fiscal cliff deals to fight HCR one last time.
 
2012-11-21 10:53:23 AM
[facepalm.jpg]
 
2012-11-21 10:53:28 AM
How does it feel to want, John?

/these guys are delusional
 
2012-11-21 10:55:16 AM
LOLOLOLOL
 
2012-11-21 10:58:57 AM

Grand_Moff_Joseph: one last time.


it won't be the last time. they will move to repeal it at least 2 dozen more times.
 
2012-11-21 11:02:09 AM
do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.
 
2012-11-21 11:17:38 AM

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Retreat? In their moment of triumph?
 
2012-11-21 11:18:47 AM
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2012-11-21 11:19:04 AM
Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.
 
2012-11-21 11:20:16 AM

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


Not sure about the functioning part
 
2012-11-21 11:20:34 AM

Weaver95: do these guys understand that they LOST the election? and not by a tiny margin either - they got a major blow out on almost all fronts. people who lose that badly shouldn't be acting as if they're running the show.


Delusion is a wonderful thing, I suppose.

I think this is all pandering for the base now, trying to show them that, by Golly, the GOP won't take an ass-kicking sitting down! Why, they'll stand right back up and get punched in the jaw again, and again, and again, until those nasty Dems get tired and walk away!

In the end, if no deal is done before Dec. 31st, the GOP takes the blame. And we will remind voters of this over, and over, and over again in the run-up to 2014 mid-term elections. "Who caused your taxes to go up, John and Jane Everyman? Why, it was the GOP, who refused to sit down and actually negotiate a proper deal to prevent a fiscal meltdown. But hey, at least the Bush Tax Cuts expired, so there's that."
 
2012-11-21 11:23:39 AM
And this is where Obama should walk away from the table until Boehner withdraws this.
 
2012-11-21 11:23:44 AM
at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. We can't afford it,

I don't believe the guy who voted in favor of two tax cuts, two wars, and medicare part D has any credibility when it comes to concern over the debt.
 
2012-11-21 11:24:09 AM

PreMortem: Functioning alcoholic. Only explanation.


Nope. My father was far more reasonable on his worse day than this toolbox.
 
2012-11-21 11:56:25 AM
the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.
 
2012-11-21 12:11:24 PM

FlashHarry: the republicans kept the house purely thanks to gerrymandering. they actually got fewer votes than the dems. but they've mistaken this "victory" (and completely ignored their drubbing in the presidential and senatorial elections) as a mandate for more derpbaggery. they are sorely misinformed.


I think they want to see how many times they can lose on Obamacare.

They lost when Obama won after campaigning for it.

They lost when it was passed.

They lost in 2010 when they couldn't get a majority to overturn it.

They lost earlier this year when it was deemed Constitutational

and the lost again when Obama was reelected on keeping it.

They've lost 5 times on it already. What is their goal?
 
2012-11-21 12:13:49 PM
I think Obama's best strategy right now is let all the tax cuts expire and veto any thing he doesn't like from the GOP in the new year. Let the GOP constituents feel the pain at this point. He should no longer try and protect them from themselves. Worse case scenario is you get a small recession and unemployment rises to 9%.
 
2012-11-21 12:23:23 PM

mrshowrules: They've lost 5 times on it already. What is their goal?


didn't they also lose like 33 separate votes to over turn it?
 
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2012-11-21 12:33:21 PM
He doesn't think it will work, he is just working on his image in the party.
 
2012-11-21 12:37:57 PM

ManateeGag: mrshowrules: They've lost 5 times on it already. What is their goal?

didn't they also lose like 33 separate votes to over turn it?


The house voted to overturn it several times but it was all grandstanding since it would never have traction in the senate.
 
2012-11-21 12:39:50 PM
BRB, buying a parachute for when we now certainly will go over the fiscal cliff due to Boehner's boner.

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2012-11-21 12:42:04 PM
Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...
 
2012-11-21 12:46:42 PM

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


Things you can say about politicians, but not your wife?
 
2012-11-21 12:49:35 PM

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


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Khan Noonien Singh (R). Alpha Ceti V
 
2012-11-21 12:52:09 PM
Somebody needs to go to Ohio and talk to the FARKING MORONS that keep re-electing this asswipe.
 
2012-11-21 12:53:18 PM
The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.
 
2012-11-21 12:54:31 PM
Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.
 
2012-11-21 12:55:59 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Really? I thought it was just more of the same obstructionism.
 
2012-11-21 12:56:16 PM
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2012-11-21 12:57:06 PM

sammyk: Really? I thought it was just more of the same obstructionism.


When you are the party out of power that's all you got.
 
2012-11-21 12:58:12 PM
I'd like to put Boehner's head on the block as something that can be removed as part of the discussions.
 
2012-11-21 01:00:35 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Obama is using his reelection to say that people want Obamacare. Boehner is just using the fact that Republicans kept the House as proof that they dont.


Obama got reelected with a mandate in the same way as FDR and Clinton did. Boehner lost seats in the House including some Teabagger diehards. False equivalence is false.
 
2012-11-21 01:05:27 PM
What an Oenis this guy is, jesus
 
2012-11-21 01:06:14 PM

God Is My Co-Pirate: The thing is, healthcare is popular. Very popular. Once people get it, they won't ever give it up. Universal healthcare up here in Canada is politically untouchable for that reason.

The GOP is trying to kill the AMA before it's fully implemented, before people realize what they'd lose if it's repealed. They don't want Obama getting the credit for a policy which will be staying around for a long time.


By 2016 at the latest GOP incumbents will be running campaign ads bragging about delivering access to affordable health care.
 
2012-11-21 01:07:26 PM

Somacandra: Clinton did


Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.
 
2012-11-21 01:10:14 PM
Will help more than hurt his chances of remaining Speaker.
The Tea Party Republicans still get to vote on that, you know.
 
2012-11-21 01:12:41 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Somacandra: Clinton did

Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


hehehehehe that's so cute
cause what's his name would have gotten 100% of that other guys votes?
LOL
 
2012-11-21 01:14:39 PM
Do they not understand that people, in general, want health care reform? And don't want to use visits to the emergency room (thanks, Mitt Romney) as their primary form of health care? I guess not.

They're absolutely determined to sink this country. It's ironic, considering all of their doom and gloom regarding the President's "agenda" to do that. Not that they could possibly be projecting anything....

But I really don't understand their plan. Piss off the entire country, when the blame obviously and openly falls on their own shoulders? How do they see that working out for them?
 
2012-11-21 01:18:38 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.


Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.
 
2012-11-21 01:24:56 PM

hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...


I think Boehner may actually have a loaded God complex.
 
2012-11-21 01:26:57 PM

Dusk-You-n-Me: at a time when our national debt already exceeds the size of our country's entire economy. We can't afford it,

I don't believe the guy who voted in favor of two tax cuts, two wars, and medicare part D has any credibility when it comes to concern over the debt.


Can we stick hero tags on comments?
 
2012-11-21 01:27:50 PM

Sybarite: hubiestubert: Hey, if you know you're going down, at least you can go swinging...

I think Boehner may actually have a loaded God complex.



and it's about time for him to cock it and pull it?
 
2012-11-21 01:30:50 PM

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.


He didn't beat Dole to get into office, but Perot's supporters would have had to break for GHW Bush at about a 2/3 rate to make up the ground over Clinton.

It's a Republican fantasy that's been around since, oh, about 1992 or so that a fairly unpopular Bush would have somehow defeated a rising Clinton in a one-on-one fight, if not for that meddling Perot!

This exists in the same world where Clinton was like the most liberal guy ever.
 
2012-11-21 01:32:42 PM

tallguywithglasseson: He didn't beat Dole to get into office


I assumed the reference was to the 2nd term re-election so that was what I looked at.
 
2012-11-21 01:36:02 PM
What the flying f*ck is wrong with this guy?
 
2012-11-21 01:36:04 PM

kronicfeld: I assumed the reference was to the 2nd term re-election so that was what I looked at.


I inferred the opposite. "Got into office" by beating Bush, stayed in office by beating Dole.
 
2012-11-21 01:43:30 PM
Keep f*cking that chicken 4.bp.blogspot.com
 
2012-11-21 01:49:28 PM

kronicfeld: The Stealth Hippopotamus: Clinton needed a strong third party to get into office.

Add 100% of Perot's popular vote to Dole's and Clinton still carried the popular vote. And it wouldn't have been 100% if Perot wasn't around.


I know the issue was probably the 1992 election, but had Dole received 100% of the votes not cast for Clinton, he would have won. Perot was not the only third party candidate around -- so Clinton did not get 50% of the vote in Arizona, Florida, Kentucky, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Mexico, Ohio, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Tennessee, Washington and Wisconsin, but he did win those states without an absolute majority. Give Dole all of those votes and he wins the popular vote and the electoral college 308-230.

Of course, people voting for Nader are unlikely to vote for Dole (etc.), so that's really just an academic exercise.

Yes, I'm bored. The stats are from here
 
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