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2012-11-21 08:25:35 AM
Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."
 
2012-11-21 09:00:45 AM
This allows the school to track the student's location after leaving campus and for as long as the badge is on the student's person.

So they wired up the whole city of San Antonio, possibly the entire world, with those RFID readers or what? And people say Texas doesn't spend enough on the education budget.
 
2012-11-21 09:06:18 AM
"In the event that you change your stance on wearing the ID with the battery and chip removed as has been offered to you on two occasions, we will be more than willing to rescind this withdrawal notice."

Attention Whore.

/My interest, done.
 
2012-11-21 09:26:01 AM
according to Infowars.

WTF?
 
2012-11-21 09:31:10 AM
Refusing to wear a RFID-chipped badge? Ok we'll be reasonable, will you wear a badge that doesn't have one? That's an expulsion 

FTFY subby.

/Stupid idea nonetheless
//Let the helicopter parents track their own kids
 
2012-11-21 09:32:02 AM

hinten: Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."


the point about tracking children like inventory is well made though. we tell kids that this is the 'land of the free/home of the brave' yet we shelve and warehouse 'em like they're boxes. how are kids supposed to learn to be fully functional adults in a 'free society' when they spend their formative years being suppressed, tracked, numbered and filed? you don't spend your childhood being a number then suddenly BAM! 18 hits and you act like a perfectly normal human being who can function without being controlled? I don't think so. you raise a kid with blinders on, and it will take a VERY long time to him to figure out how to take them off.
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-21 09:33:31 AM
Are expelled kids in Texas freed from school obligations, or do they have to move on to another school, and another school, and another... ?
 
2012-11-21 09:34:25 AM

serial_crusher: This allows the school to track the student's location after leaving campus and for as long as the badge is on the student's person.

So they wired up the whole city of San Antonio, possibly the entire world, with those RFID readers or what? And people say Texas doesn't spend enough on the education budget.


It will be years before people stop confusing GPS and RFID. I know a doctor who thought they could track his dog anywhere on earth because he was micro-chipped.
 
2012-11-21 09:40:17 AM
And yet the parents expect you to be able to locate their kid and have them delivered to the office in two minutes if they show up at any time of the day without notice - - - failure to do so results (often) in the parent pitching a fit that they're in a hurry and running late for (doctor, dentist, funeral etc.)
 
2012-11-21 09:42:47 AM

DoBeDoBeDo: serial_crusher: This allows the school to track the student's location after leaving campus and for as long as the badge is on the student's person.

So they wired up the whole city of San Antonio, possibly the entire world, with those RFID readers or what? And people say Texas doesn't spend enough on the education budget.

It will be years before people stop confusing GPS and RFID. I know a doctor who thought they could track his dog anywhere on earth because he was micro-chipped.

^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^


Most people have no clue how RFID works, from the chips, to the readers to the databases they access.
 
2012-11-21 09:48:39 AM

Weaver95: hinten: Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."

the point about tracking children like inventory is well made though. we tell kids that this is the 'land of the free/home of the brave' yet we shelve and warehouse 'em like they're boxes. how are kids supposed to learn to be fully functional adults in a 'free society' when they spend their formative years being suppressed, tracked, numbered and filed? you don't spend your childhood being a number then suddenly BAM! 18 hits and you act like a perfectly normal human being who can function without being controlled? I don't think so. you raise a kid with blinders on, and it will take a VERY long time to him to figure out how to take them off.


The worst thing we ever did as a society was conflate people with capital. Turning "personnel" into "human resources." Describing "human capital" as livestock that can be discarded. Looking at children not as potential greatness but as potential malcontents that must be regulated and tracked with more diligence than prisons track criminals.

This is a symptom of a much larger problem in education and treatment of children. This might be a CSB, but if I graduated a few years later than I did, I might not have graduated at all. When I was finishing school, the school was still getting used to helicopter parents and paranoia about Columbine. I was a malcontent at times. I was a stereotypical nerd, argumentative in English class, more than a little of my head up my ass, but a good student with a small clique of friends and a bullying problem that lasted into my sophomore year. I was suspended a few times for fighting. In one case, I flipped out during gym class and turned a shoving match into a head butt and broken nose that got me suspended for two days. This was just around the time of Columbine, and considering my attitude and actions, there's every chance that if my behavior was seen a few months or a few years later, I would have been expelled or even arrested.

I hear stories about how the schools have changed since I graduated. Small steps at first, but then metal detectors, more surveillance, more strict rules.
 
2012-11-21 09:52:00 AM

Bloody William: I hear stories about how the schools have changed since I graduated. Small steps at first, but then metal detectors, more surveillance, more strict rules.


You have to justify larger budgets somehow.
 
2012-11-21 09:52:58 AM

Weaver95: hinten: Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."

the point about tracking children like inventory is well made though. we tell kids that this is the 'land of the free/home of the brave' yet we shelve and warehouse 'em like they're boxes. how are kids supposed to learn to be fully functional adults in a 'free society' when they spend their formative years being suppressed, tracked, numbered and filed? you don't spend your childhood being a number then suddenly BAM! 18 hits and you act like a perfectly normal human being who can function without being controlled? I don't think so. you raise a kid with blinders on, and it will take a VERY long time to him to figure out how to take them off.


Whatever. Know what happens if I refuse to wear my RFID badge at work? Want to 'escape' the terrible US without using your RFID enabled passports? RFID is not magic. It is just an updated method for computers to read the contents of whatever is placed on them, just like your magnetic strip on your credit card, driver's license, passport, old school badges. Yes they can be read without actual contact, so that is reason to see what they are storing on the chip itself. If, as the article suggests, it is just a student ID or other serialized number, that is linked in the central computer system, to their other information, big whoop. If it is actually storing SSN and other vital information (doubtful) on the RFID itself, that is a problem.
 
2012-11-21 09:53:53 AM

Raharu: DoBeDoBeDo: serial_crusher: This allows the school to track the student's location after leaving campus and for as long as the badge is on the student's person.

So they wired up the whole city of San Antonio, possibly the entire world, with those RFID readers or what? And people say Texas doesn't spend enough on the education budget.

It will be years before people stop confusing GPS and RFID. I know a doctor who thought they could track his dog anywhere on earth because he was micro-chipped.
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

Most people have no clue how RFID works, from the chips, to the readers to the databases they access.


That did kind of stick out to me. RFID would work if there are sensors around the school, logging student activity (which is skeevy, but not a student-tracking system outside the school). It's total bullshiat, but not black helicopter level bullshiat. Just usual district overreaching in trying to find and crush any sort of sense of freedom within what amount to modern, mandatory juvenile halls at this point.
 
2012-11-21 09:55:57 AM

the_geek: Bloody William: I hear stories about how the schools have changed since I graduated. Small steps at first, but then metal detectors, more surveillance, more strict rules.

You have to justify larger budgets somehow.


there's evidence enough to suggest that our culture is turning inwards, becoming more afraid and authoritarian than ever before. I never thought I'd live in a country where someone had to feel me up before I could board a plane. schools that make kids wear RFID chips and use inventory control software to track their movements implies a certain mindset.
 
2012-11-21 09:56:16 AM
She should probably have more worried about the camera in the ID office stealing her soul.
 
2012-11-21 09:56:27 AM

Raharu:

Most people have no clue how RFID works, from the chips, to the readers to the databases they access.


As someone who works with all of the above, a hearty THIS to you, sir.

/yes, I am getting a kick...
 
2012-11-21 09:56:40 AM

wingnut396: Whatever. Know what happens if I refuse to wear my RFID badge at work? Want to 'escape' the terrible US without using your RFID enabled passports? RFID is not magic. It is just an updated method for computers to read the contents of whatever is placed on them, just like your magnetic strip on your credit card, driver's license, passport, old school badges. Yes they can be read without actual contact, so that is reason to see what they are storing on the chip itself. If, as the article suggests, it is just a student ID or other serialized number, that is linked in the central computer system, to their other information, big whoop. If it is actually storing SSN and other vital information (doubtful) on the RFID itself, that is a problem.


Work is private, compensated, optional (relatively speaking), and can justify its security measures clearly. It isn't about the actual tracking, but the creeping sense of needing to be tagged and measured. It's the electronic version of being forced to have papers on you at all times.

There's a very big difference in attitude between using a card to get into places and being forced to keep a card on hand at all times so other people know where you are.
 
2012-11-21 09:59:21 AM

Weaver95: hinten: Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."

the point about tracking children like inventory is well made though. we tell kids that this is the 'land of the free/home of the brave' yet we shelve and warehouse 'em like they're boxes. how are kids supposed to learn to be fully functional adults in a 'free society' when they spend their formative years being suppressed, tracked, numbered and filed? you don't spend your childhood being a number then suddenly BAM! 18 hits and you act like a perfectly normal human being who can function without being controlled? I don't think so. you raise a kid with blinders on, and it will take a VERY long time to him to figure out how to take them off.


This.

/sheltered
 
2012-11-21 09:59:27 AM

JinxofSpades: Raharu:

Most people have no clue how RFID works, from the chips, to the readers to the databases they access.

As someone who works with all of the above, a hearty THIS to you, sir.

/yes, I am getting a kick...


Weaver95: there's evidence enough to suggest that our culture is turning inwards, becoming more afraid and authoritarian than ever before. I never thought I'd live in a country where someone had to feel me up before I could board a plane. schools that make kids wear RFID chips and use inventory control software to track their movements implies a certain mindset.


The technical aspects don't worry me in this case, but the implication and creeping sense of oppression without merit is the problem. How much more creep will we accept before kids are completely dehumanized and turned into drones, with the few who resist being simply thrown out?
 
2012-11-21 10:00:40 AM

Bloody William:

There's a very big difference in attitude between using a card to get into places and being forced to keep a card on hand at all times so other people know where you are.


This card is only needed to be used to get into one place, school, essentially the child's place of work. They don't it, or an other form of identification, once they are off school grounds. If having any ID is the problem, RFID is not the issue.
 
2012-11-21 10:01:51 AM

Bloody William: Weaver95: hinten: Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."

the point about tracking children like inventory is well made though. we tell kids that this is the 'land of the free/home of the brave' yet we shelve and warehouse 'em like they're boxes. how are kids supposed to learn to be fully functional adults in a 'free society' when they spend their formative years being suppressed, tracked, numbered and filed? you don't spend your childhood being a number then suddenly BAM! 18 hits and you act like a perfectly normal human being who can function without being controlled? I don't think so. you raise a kid with blinders on, and it will take a VERY long time to him to figure out how to take them off.

The worst thing we ever did as a society was conflate people with capital. Turning "personnel" into "human resources." Describing "human capital" as livestock that can be discarded. Looking at children not as potential greatness but as potential malcontents that must be regulated and tracked with more diligence than prisons track criminals......


THIS
 
2012-11-21 10:02:25 AM

wingnut396:

Whatever. Know what happens if I refuse to wear my RFID badge at work? Want to 'escape' the terrible US without using your RFID enabled passports? RFID is not magic. It is just an updated method for computers to read the contents of whatever is placed on them, just like your magnetic strip on your credit card, driver's license, passport, old school badges. Yes they can be read without actual contact, so that is reason to see what they are storing on the chip itself. If, as the article suggests, it is just a student ID or other serialized number, that is linked in the central computer system, to their other information, big whoop. If it is actually storing SSN and other vital information (doubtful) on the RFID itself, that is a problem.


I tend to see RFID as a crutch. sure, it's good for tracking inventory...but you start using it on people and it goes off the rails. for starters - most RFID isn't even encrypted. I scanned my badge once, and the data wasn't encoded. I could have cloned that badge and the badges of my coworkers no problem. would have given me unlimited access to the facilities even AFTER the layoffs. my point is that boxes of inventory don't get curious and take apart the security to see what makes it tick. people can and sometimes do. so if you were expecting RFID to be some sort of magical perfect way of keeping track of a population (be that in a school or office) then I've got some bad news for you....
 
2012-11-21 10:03:09 AM

Bloody William: wingnut396: Whatever. Know what happens if I refuse to wear my RFID badge at work? Want to 'escape' the terrible US without using your RFID enabled passports? RFID is not magic. It is just an updated method for computers to read the contents of whatever is placed on them, just like your magnetic strip on your credit card, driver's license, passport, old school badges. Yes they can be read without actual contact, so that is reason to see what they are storing on the chip itself. If, as the article suggests, it is just a student ID or other serialized number, that is linked in the central computer system, to their other information, big whoop. If it is actually storing SSN and other vital information (doubtful) on the RFID itself, that is a problem.

Work is private, compensated, optional (relatively speaking), and can justify its security measures clearly. It isn't about the actual tracking, but the creeping sense of needing to be tagged and measured. It's the electronic version of being forced to have papers on you at all times.

There's a very big difference in attitude between using a card to get into places and being forced to keep a card on hand at all times so other people know where you are.


There is a difference. IBM required us to have our badges visible at all times; they were for more than opening doors. MindSpring, however, issued us a little keychain fob for getting into the building -- but that was in the late 90s.
 
2012-11-21 10:03:28 AM

Weaver95: hinten: Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."

the point about tracking children like inventory is well made though. we tell kids that this is the 'land of the free/home of the brave' yet we shelve and warehouse 'em like they're boxes. how are kids supposed to learn to be fully functional adults in a 'free society' when they spend their formative years being suppressed, tracked, numbered and filed? you don't spend your childhood being a number then suddenly BAM! 18 hits and you act like a perfectly normal human being who can function without being controlled? I don't think so. you raise a kid with blinders on, and it will take a VERY long time to him to figure out how to take them off.


Sure Weaver and when teachers took attendance in the morning in the sixties it meant the communists had already won.
 
2012-11-21 10:04:40 AM

hinten:
Sure Weaver and when teachers took attendance in the morning in the sixties it meant the communists had already won.


I am wracking my brains trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about....
 
2012-11-21 10:05:12 AM
WAIT!

They offered her, repeatedly, a badge that did not have the RFID chip inside of it and could not be tracked beyond the door mechanisms that read the barcode/magstripe.

Ok, so if they are happy to let one student opt-out of this 'safety' system then why not allow all of the students, who you are trying to bring up to be good citizens in the 'land of the free' to opt-out of the system if they so choose?

Once you've got all the forms back you know how many RFID enabled badges you need... and how many you need to put in the microwave for a few seconds.
 
2012-11-21 10:05:53 AM

Weaver95: I tend to see RFID as a crutch. sure, it's good for tracking inventory...but you start using it on people and it goes off the rails. for starters - most RFID isn't even encrypted. I scanned my badge once, and the data wasn't encoded. I could have cloned that badge and the badges of my coworkers no problem. would have given me unlimited access to the facilities even AFTER the layoffs. my point is that boxes of inventory don't get curious and take apart the security to see what makes it tick. people can and sometimes do. so if you were expecting RFID to be some sort of magical perfect way of keeping track of a population (be that in a school or office) then I've got some bad news for you....


RFID can be hacked to shiat with some pretty cheap tech. I'd love to see students at this school steal a teacher or janitor's card (or just bribe them to borrow it) and copy the ID tag, encode it on an RFID sticker, and slap it over their card.
 
2012-11-21 10:06:54 AM

Vaneshi: WAIT!

They offered her, repeatedly, a badge that did not have the RFID chip inside of it and could not be tracked beyond the door mechanisms that read the barcode/magstripe.

Ok, so if they are happy to let one student opt-out of this 'safety' system then why not allow all of the students, who you are trying to bring up to be good citizens in the 'land of the free' to opt-out of the system if they so choose?

Once you've got all the forms back you know how many RFID enabled badges you need... and how many you need to put in the microwave for a few seconds.


It's a pretty clear techno-boondoggle with little to no value at all.
 
2012-11-21 10:07:44 AM

Bloody William: Weaver95: I tend to see RFID as a crutch. sure, it's good for tracking inventory...but you start using it on people and it goes off the rails. for starters - most RFID isn't even encrypted. I scanned my badge once, and the data wasn't encoded. I could have cloned that badge and the badges of my coworkers no problem. would have given me unlimited access to the facilities even AFTER the layoffs. my point is that boxes of inventory don't get curious and take apart the security to see what makes it tick. people can and sometimes do. so if you were expecting RFID to be some sort of magical perfect way of keeping track of a population (be that in a school or office) then I've got some bad news for you....

RFID can be hacked to shiat with some pretty cheap tech. I'd love to see students at this school steal a teacher or janitor's card (or just bribe them to borrow it) and copy the ID tag, encode it on an RFID sticker, and slap it over their card.


its not even all that difficult or expensive. you could do it for under $200 if you wanted to go cheap. $500 and it starts getting fancy. there are tutorials all around the net on how to capture and clone RFID signals.
 
2012-11-21 10:08:30 AM

Raharu: DoBeDoBeDo: serial_crusher: This allows the school to track the student's location after leaving campus and for as long as the badge is on the student's person.

So they wired up the whole city of San Antonio, possibly the entire world, with those RFID readers or what? And people say Texas doesn't spend enough on the education budget.

It will be years before people stop confusing GPS and RFID. I know a doctor who thought they could track his dog anywhere on earth because he was micro-chipped.
^^^^^^THIS^^^^^^^

Most people have no clue how RFID works, from the chips, to the readers to the databases they access.


As a programmer/analyst and RF geek, along with experience in both bar-code and RFID technology, I have a pretty damned good understanding of how they work.

I wouldn't want my kid to wear one, and I'd fully support their decision not to be required to wear an RFID badge.

The point that Weaver95 made above is a good one: You can't raise independent minded adults by treating them like cattle all their lives. Someone who is accustomed to wearing an RFID badge through years of mandatory schooling isn't going to care as much if that becomes a requirement for the citizenry in general.

Note that is distinct from wearing one as a condition for something like building access at work: Work is a voluntary activity. If you have a problem with wearing an RFID badge at work, you can always find other work, go into business for yourself, or just not work if you don't want to.

This general idea is why I'm also against metal detectors in schools, which is a perennial source of disagreement between the distaffbopper and I: She sees it from a narrow viewpoint, protecting individual kids from a possible threat. I see from a more expansive viewpoint, in that you are training kids who will one day be adults that persons in authority can violate the Fourth Amendment at will. And yes, I consider a metal detector in school a violation: You are required to attend school by law, and if the school you must attend requires that you to enter a metal detector as a condition for attending, then that is a violation. It's different for airports: Air travel is a voluntary activity, so consenting to a search can be made a condition of that travel, and there are generally other options (train, bus, car, etc.). Since by law you must attend schooling, and if the school requires that you enter a metal detector, there is no way to legally avoid the search.

Also, from the standpoint of preventing weapons from entering school, it's at best a very, very weak solution. I taught the 12 year old kid up the street how to knap glass into an effective blade/projectile point, and that won't show up in a metal detector. Neither would a carefully constructed zip gun.
 
2012-11-21 10:10:57 AM

wingnut396: Whatever. Know what happens if I refuse to wear my RFID badge at work?


You aren't required by law to attend work. If you have a problem with wearing an RFID, you can either work somewhere else, or just not work. School isn't like that. Schooling is *MANDATORY*, and very few people have the time and resources to home school their kids.
 
2012-11-21 10:11:39 AM
She should also be concerned about walking around on campus, anyway. Those cards are probably using 13.56MHz RFID, and will require the students to be constantly bombarded with high frequency waves, which do a very good job of passing through liquids and cell walls. However, they will rebound from metal, causing the waves to continuously penetrate the body, and may resonate the internal organs, including the brain. This can interfere with some electrical actviity in the brain, and some research indicates that if the brain resonation is the same in multiple brains, then the neural activity can be directed, much like current through a wire.
I suppose it would be possible to avoid the inductive field, if one were to block the incoming RF somehow. Some sort of metal protection would have to surround the brain. I'm not quite sure what that might look like.
 
2012-11-21 10:12:04 AM

Weaver95: Bloody William: Weaver95: I tend to see RFID as a crutch. sure, it's good for tracking inventory...but you start using it on people and it goes off the rails. for starters - most RFID isn't even encrypted. I scanned my badge once, and the data wasn't encoded. I could have cloned that badge and the badges of my coworkers no problem. would have given me unlimited access to the facilities even AFTER the layoffs. my point is that boxes of inventory don't get curious and take apart the security to see what makes it tick. people can and sometimes do. so if you were expecting RFID to be some sort of magical perfect way of keeping track of a population (be that in a school or office) then I've got some bad news for you....

RFID can be hacked to shiat with some pretty cheap tech. I'd love to see students at this school steal a teacher or janitor's card (or just bribe them to borrow it) and copy the ID tag, encode it on an RFID sticker, and slap it over their card.

its not even all that difficult or expensive. you could do it for under $200 if you wanted to go cheap. $500 and it starts getting fancy. there are tutorials all around the net on how to capture and clone RFID signals.


I bet I could "foil" it for just a penny or two.

/Get it?
 
2012-11-21 10:12:11 AM

Weaver95: hinten:
Sure Weaver and when teachers took attendance in the morning in the sixties it meant the communists had already won.

I am wracking my brains trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about....


The purpose of the badge program is tracking student attendance so the school can secure more funds for higher attendance rates. You know, kind of like teachers used to take attendance every morning using pen and paper.

Although the district will pay $500,000 up front for the program, is expects to garner $1.7 million from the state government in increased attendance funds.
 
2012-11-21 10:14:43 AM

hinten: Weaver95: hinten:
Sure Weaver and when teachers took attendance in the morning in the sixties it meant the communists had already won.

I am wracking my brains trying to figure out what the hell you are talking about....

The purpose of the badge program is tracking student attendance so the school can secure more funds for higher attendance rates. You know, kind of like teachers used to take attendance every morning using pen and paper.

Although the district will pay $500,000 up front for the program, is expects to garner $1.7 million from the state government in increased attendance funds.


Sounds like an expensive, oppressive solution to a cheap, simple problem.
 
2012-11-21 10:15:28 AM

hinten:
The purpose of the badge program is tracking student attendance so the school can secure more funds for higher attendance rates. You know, kind of like teachers used to take attendance every morning using pen and paper.


so why not just...take attendance with pen and paper? that's cheap. setting up and maintaining an RFID system is money up front, plus money for badges for each new class AND maintaining the integrity of the student/teacher RFID/user database. seems a pointless expense when you could just have kids attend home room for 15 min at the start of the day, take attendance and then go about the day as per normal.
 
2012-11-21 10:15:36 AM

dittybopper: wingnut396: Whatever. Know what happens if I refuse to wear my RFID badge at work?

You aren't required by law to attend work. If you have a problem with wearing an RFID, you can either work somewhere else, or just not work. School isn't like that. Schooling is *MANDATORY*, and very few people have the time and resources to home school their kids.


I always thought it was because they didn't want their kids to end up as socially-awkward weirdos
 
2012-11-21 10:16:53 AM

dittybopper: You aren't required by law to attend work. If you have a problem with wearing an RFID, you can either work somewhere else, or just not work. School isn't like that. Schooling is *MANDATORY*, and very few people have the time and resources to home school their kids.


Homeschooling is legal in all 50 states. Therefore going to school is not mandatory.
 
2012-11-21 10:18:40 AM

Bloody William: It's a pretty clear techno-boondoggle with little to no value at all.


Well yeah, the students are already tracked via the magstripe and swipe system or barcode when they go to classes (I assume so anyway), so you can tell if a student is skipping class already.

But as I say they were willing to allow this one student to make an informed decision (or not) and opt-out. Why not just allow the students to exercise to some critical thinking skills and allow them all to opt-out if the so choose?

Seems like that would be a win-win as far as education is concerned. You just educated them to make informed decisions.
 
2012-11-21 10:20:49 AM

Bhruic: Homeschooling is legal in all 50 states. Therefore going to school is not mandatory.


But being in education IS mandatory. If a parent chooses to home school their child, then there will be occasional inspections to make sure that the curriculum is being taught (as well as whatever else a parent may add to it).

Sounds pretty fair to me.
 
2012-11-21 10:21:23 AM

Weaver95: hinten:
The purpose of the badge program is tracking student attendance so the school can secure more funds for higher attendance rates. You know, kind of like teachers used to take attendance every morning using pen and paper.

so why not just...take attendance with pen and paper? that's cheap. setting up and maintaining an RFID system is money up front, plus money for badges for each new class AND maintaining the integrity of the student/teacher RFID/user database. seems a pointless expense when you could just have kids attend home room for 15 min at the start of the day, take attendance and then go about the day as per normal.


Plus what is undoubtedly a 500% markup because the administration probably doesn't know any sort of commercial technology from its own asshole. Just a hunch. How big is the district that it needs half a million for door scanners and cards?
 
2012-11-21 10:21:45 AM

hinten: Student makes all the right decision for all the wrong reasons.

" It is a direct violation of their Christian religious beliefs, as it bears a striking resemblance to Revelations 13: 16-18 warning of the Mark of the Beast."


Unfortunately, the only card that can be played these days by students with ACLU backing is the "religious" option.
 
2012-11-21 10:21:53 AM
Sorry Luddites but the future is coming, RFID is not invasive.

When an RFID tagged school has a shooting and the police are able to tell if the kids are out of the building, or who is still trapped inside I think you may change your tune...

When something insane goes down at a factory, and the EMS crews need to know the last location of employees, or where to search for survivors or bodies I think this tech will show its value.

toot toot.

As long as RFID chips are not INSIDE you, its possible to ditch the tag... they even offered this chump an RFID free badge.
 
2012-11-21 10:22:54 AM

Vaneshi: Bhruic: Homeschooling is legal in all 50 states. Therefore going to school is not mandatory.

But being in education IS mandatory. If a parent chooses to home school their child, then there will be occasional inspections to make sure that the curriculum is being taught (as well as whatever else a parent may add to it).

Sounds pretty fair to me.


Sure, that's fine. My point was that if you (well, not you specifically, the general you) are going to say it's fine for businesses to use RFID because working there is "voluntary", then so is going to a specific school. You have options in schools. You can go to a private school that doesn't use RFID. You can homeschool. So if your only justification for not accepting them is "it's mandatory", then, we'll, you need to accept them because they aren't mandatory.
 
2012-11-21 10:24:59 AM

Bloody William: Weaver95: I tend to see RFID as a crutch. sure, it's good for tracking inventory...but you start using it on people and it goes off the rails. for starters - most RFID isn't even encrypted. I scanned my badge once, and the data wasn't encoded. I could have cloned that badge and the badges of my coworkers no problem. would have given me unlimited access to the facilities even AFTER the layoffs. my point is that boxes of inventory don't get curious and take apart the security to see what makes it tick. people can and sometimes do. so if you were expecting RFID to be some sort of magical perfect way of keeping track of a population (be that in a school or office) then I've got some bad news for you....

RFID can be hacked to shiat with some pretty cheap tech. I'd love to see students at this school steal a teacher or janitor's card (or just bribe them to borrow it) and copy the ID tag, encode it on an RFID sticker, and slap it over their card.


I agree with both of you RFID has some serious flaws, especially if implemented poorly. But the point about tracking and inventorying children has little to do with RFID itself. This has been done for years already.
 
2012-11-21 10:25:40 AM

Weaver95: hinten:
The purpose of the badge program is tracking student attendance so the school can secure more funds for higher attendance rates. You know, kind of like teachers used to take attendance every morning using pen and paper.

so why not just...take attendance with pen and paper? that's cheap. setting up and maintaining an RFID system is money up front, plus money for badges for each new class AND maintaining the integrity of the student/teacher RFID/user database. seems a pointless expense when you could just have kids attend home room for 15 min at the start of the day, take attendance and then go about the day as per normal.


Who knows? I imagine they also secure their buildings with card readers, libraries, cafeteria, etc.
They should have called the program something different and only the craziest religious zealots that think wearing an ID is the sign of the devil would have complained. Wait, what?
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2012-11-21 10:26:38 AM

Bloody William:
Plus what is undoubtedly a 500% markup because the administration probably doesn't know any sort of commercial technology from its own asshole. Just a hunch. How big is the district that it needs half a million for door scanners and cards?


Doesn't really strike me as unreasonable. The cards and readers, sure. But remember how many read choke points they are probably using- that's a lot of readers, especially if they are tracking direction of movement. Plus the software to drive the thing, the calibration, installation, etc. $500k is probably right for a decent sized school system.
 
2012-11-21 10:27:30 AM

JinxofSpades: She should also be concerned about walking around on campus, anyway. Those cards are probably using 13.56MHz RFID, and will require the students to be constantly bombarded with high frequency waves


They are already bombarded with 14.000 to 14.350 MHz waves, pretty much continuously. In fact, I'm bombarding people near me with 14.027 MHz waves right now, with an EIRP of about 250 watts.

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2012-11-21 10:27:39 AM
Badges? Badges? We don't need no stinkin' RFID badges!
 
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