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(Politico)   Joe Scarborough apologizes to Nate Silver...kinda   (politico.com) divider line 13
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2012-11-21 09:30:43 AM  
5 votes:
During a Morning Joe discussion, I mocked both liberals and conservatives for cherry-picking polls to prove their candidate was all but assured victory.

This is pretty much the point. The problem being, is that Silver doesn't pad out the polls to give "his" candidate a boost. Therein lies the rub. His methodology doesn't favor one side or another, and rather, looks at the larger picture. In the case of this Presidential race, we had a media who REALLY wanted a close race, so that they could sell more ad time, as opposed to actually reporting the news, and actively tried to skew things to make it appear much closer. It was NEVER a close race. Much like it was NEVER a close race for the Primaries either. This has been a Silly Season full of narrative attempting to flummox math. Plain and simple.

Nate uses math. I realize that when you work FOX or Politico, that math is sometimes a difficult thing to admit has validity, especially when folks attempt to try to bolster their claims with faux math, and then point to more bogus math used by "the other side" whilst attempting to wipe the bullsh*t off your own, but at some point, we need to return to a media environment that at least attempts to report the news, as opposed to trying to actively make the news.
2012-11-21 08:41:53 AM  
4 votes:
If you are blessed enough to be able to avoid political chatter on Twitter, you may not know that Silver became a sort of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for liberals seeking peace and serenity during the turbulent 2012 presidential campaign. Just as the Beatles had the Maharishi to guide them through the tough times after the death of their manager Brian Epstein, progressives had Silver's New York Times blog to comfort them after the first presidential debate. My liberal friends spent countless hours manically refreshing the "538" blog every three minutes or so throughout most of October seeking reassurance that President Obama would win. Water usage on the Upper West Side took a dip during that time when progressives realized that bathing regularly would keep them away from the site.

Got that far. What an unmistakable asswipe. Next time someone tells you MSNBC is JUST LIKE FOX AHUR, ask them "Which FOX liberal is an insufferable asshole who gets 3 hours of airtime a day?"

Now start growing your goddamn mustache, Uncle Scar.
2012-11-21 10:41:35 AM  
2 votes:
I won't apologize to Mr. Silver for predicting an outcome that I had also been predicting for a year.

Ehem.

"Morning Joe" wraps up six-hour show with @joenbc: "We learned absolutely nothing. We have no idea who's going to win."

- Brian Stelter (@brianstelter) November 6, 2012
2012-11-21 10:04:15 AM  
2 votes:
Scarborough is a puts.

He could have graciously said,

"you know, i like most americans just don't understand advanced math -- we can, it shouldn't be so advanced"

or

" hey, i called you an ideologue -- that was out of line and incorrect: sorry"

but neither of those appeared to have happened.
2012-11-21 12:19:55 PM  
1 votes:

General Zang: cousin-merle: not5am: that pointed to mr. obama's doom

what happened to respecting the office if not the man?

Generally, you only refer to him as President Obama in first reference of article, which Joe did, then Mr. Obama for the rest. This is standard practice, not disrespect.

That is incorrect. This is not 2012, not 1950.

Standard modern journalistic practice is to use the title and full name upon first mention, and the last name alone for subsequent mentions. Also, "Mister" is no longer used as a title.

So, it's either President Barack Obama, or Obama. Just using President Obama might also be acceptable, but Mr. Obama is not an acceptable designation. 

Source: 2012 AP Style Guide

The New York Times

still uses the "Mr. ____ on subsequent references" style to this day. It's not an uncommon journalistic style. The AP guide isn't an infallible style pope for all journalists.
2012-11-21 12:01:27 PM  
1 votes:

cousin-merle: not5am: that pointed to mr. obama's doom

what happened to respecting the office if not the man?

Generally, you only refer to him as President Obama in first reference of article, which Joe did, then Mr. Obama for the rest. This is standard practice, not disrespect.


That is incorrect. This is not 2012, not 1950.

Standard modern journalistic practice is to use the title and full name upon first mention, and the last name alone for subsequent mentions. Also, "Mister" is no longer used as a title.

So, it's either President Barack Obama, or Obama. Just using President Obama might also be acceptable, but Mr. Obama is not an acceptable designation. 

Source: 2012 AP Style Guide
2012-11-21 11:55:59 AM  
1 votes:
Scarborough can't really apologize because an honest apology would be "As a pundit my only job is to say my opinions loudly. I can't and won't base my views on researched facts because I like to get to the bar before it fills up during happy hour. I had to try to discredit Nate Silver because he is doing actual verifiable work that makes my election coverage irrelevant."
2012-11-21 10:53:12 AM  
1 votes:
Joe is propagating the now familiar meme that has popped up in the con-o-sphere that "the left" only credits Silver because he somehow conjures figures favorable to democratic candidates. It's a perfect projection of their own love for the Dean Chambers of the world who really do conjure figures to produce numbers appealing to conservatives.
2012-11-21 10:29:03 AM  
1 votes:
It's funny that he denigrates state polls, but Wang's extensive (that's right, extensive Wang) research has shown that using state polls and converting those results to EC totals has historically been extremely accurate. Add to the fact, in the modern world, polling company methodologies are becoming more robust.

It's going to get easier to assign a probability to a presidential election, not harder... as long as knowledgeable statisticians are doing the analysis.
2012-11-21 10:17:44 AM  
1 votes:
If you are blessed enough to be able to avoid political chatter on Twitter, you may not know that Silver became a sort of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for liberals seeking peace and serenity during the turbulent 2012 presidential campaign.

He's a statistician. How farking hard is it to understand that liberals have been listening to him because his numbers were right in the past and his methodology is solid?
2012-11-21 09:36:14 AM  
1 votes:
"If you are blessed enough to be able to avoid political chatter on Twitter, you may not know that Silver became a sort of Maharishi Mahesh Yogi for liberals seeking peace and serenity during the turbulent 2012 presidential campaign. Just as the Beatles had the Maharishi to guide them through the tough times after the death of their manager Brian Epstein, progressives had Silver's New York Times blog to comfort them after the first presidential debate."

No you dipshiat. If Obama had been losing most "liberals" who were going to 538 would have still been going to 538 and saying something like, "damn...he's losing." They wouldn't be like the vast swath of right-wingers who literally believed (or at least said as much) that Romney was going to win right up until 8pm or 9pm (CST) on election night. And a good portion of the "liberals" I knew were worried that Obama was going to lose because they were paying attention to the media "horse-race" blather or right-wing nutballery.
2012-11-21 09:21:13 AM  
1 votes:
Yes, the liberals were feverishly clinging on to a deranged prediction that just happened to come true
2012-11-21 08:11:39 AM  
1 votes:
That's an apology? If I were to "apologize" to my wife like that I'd be sleeping on the couch for a week
 
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