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2012-11-21 08:48:05 AM
Great, a bunch of * arguments due to PED.
 
2012-11-21 10:15:40 AM
Couldn't you just... you know... not grin like a Cheshire Cat when playing and get a good hand? is it really that hard to do?
 
2012-11-21 10:23:42 AM
It wouldn't EVEN REMOTELY surprise me to know they acquired this information from professional Magic players.

/WSOP: average of $9,000,000 in TNH.

Magic: Worlds? Well, last year the winner walked away with over SEVENTEEN MILLION (including endorsements).
 
2012-11-21 11:09:52 AM
And no self respecting poker player will ever give that dope any business. Any poker player who's so focused on their poker face that they'd consider getting botox to help it is probably a very shiatty poker player.
 
2012-11-21 11:10:37 AM
The constant surprise look is usually because of cocaine.
 
2012-11-21 11:12:11 AM

Jedekai: It wouldn't EVEN REMOTELY surprise me to know they acquired this information from professional Magic players.

/WSOP: average of $9,000,000 in TNH.

Magic: Worlds? Well, last year the winner walked away with over SEVENTEEN MILLION (including endorsements).


Source for that money figure? Also, do you mean the 2011 Worlds champion (Jun'ya Iyanaga - $45k for winning the main event + $6k for his finish in the Online part) or the 2012 Players Championship winner (Yuuya Watanabe - $40k)? Silly restructuring of the Worlds model.

Also, even if the money was larger, the bluffing component of Magic is much smaller than in poker, so I doubt the incentive is very strong there.
 
2012-11-21 11:16:45 AM
So, if reading your opponents face is such a big part of poker, why can you wear hoods,hats,shades etc.? That bs should be against the rules.
 
2012-11-21 11:19:52 AM
You rang?
 
2012-11-21 11:20:55 AM

Grapple: Couldn't you just... you know... not grin like a Cheshire Cat when playing and get a good hand? is it really that hard to do?


Top poker players can read even very subtle tells. One of the biggest giveaways is your pupils and botox won't prevent your pupils from expanding or contracting. That's why they wear sunglasses.
 
2012-11-21 11:23:08 AM

drewogatory: So, if reading your opponents face is such a big part of poker, why can you wear hoods,hats,shades etc.? That bs should be against the rules.


To me, the entire face from the forehead down should be visible when you're in a hand (with exceptions for human emotions leading a player to things like putting their hat over their face in frustration, for example). So hats and hoodies could be fine as long as they don't block the face. Shades should never be welcome at a table.
 
2012-11-21 11:36:38 AM

drewogatory: So, if reading your opponents face is such a big part of poker, why can you wear hoods,hats,shades etc.? That bs should be against the rules.


Nekkid poker could have an upside downside.
 
2012-11-21 11:36:52 AM
Just wear one of these instead

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2012-11-21 11:37:58 AM

Grapple: Couldn't you just... you know... not grin like a Cheshire Cat when playing and get a good hand? is it really that hard to do?


Y-you mean...achieving complete control of your idiosyncrasies so that you don't tip someone off that you have a good/bad hand? Is that possible?

/sarcasm off
 
2012-11-21 11:38:55 AM

SlothB77: Grapple: Couldn't you just... you know... not grin like a Cheshire Cat when playing and get a good hand? is it really that hard to do?

Top poker players can read even very subtle tells. One of the biggest giveaways is your pupils and botox won't prevent your pupils from expanding or contracting. That's why they wear sunglasses.


All in.

3.bp.blogspot.com

Read these, mofo.
 
2012-11-21 11:40:43 AM
 
2012-11-21 11:43:02 AM

TheOther: SlothB77: Grapple: Couldn't you just... you know... not grin like a Cheshire Cat when playing and get a good hand? is it really that hard to do?

Top poker players can read even very subtle tells. One of the biggest giveaways is your pupils and botox won't prevent your pupils from expanding or contracting. That's why they wear sunglasses.

All in.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 385x400]

Read these, mofo.


I'm reading "I took the brown acid 45 minutes ago," but the words keep sliding off the page.

Also, any poker player good enough to be at a high-stakes table like that is good enough to control themselves from jumping up when they hit a set. The eyes, hands and betting patterns are what you want to look at, and botox won't help you with any of those. I'm thinking whoever thought this was a good idea only knows poker playing from movies.

// old movies
// even Rounders didn't rely on "OMG his cheek muscle is twitching!"
 
2012-11-21 11:43:06 AM

desertgeek: drewogatory: So, if reading your opponents face is such a big part of poker, why can you wear hoods,hats,shades etc.? That bs should be against the rules.

To me, the entire face from the forehead down should be visible when you're in a hand (with exceptions for human emotions leading a player to things like putting their hat over their face in frustration, for example). So hats and hoodies could be fine as long as they don't block the face. Shades should never be welcome at a table.


EXACTLY.

Why not wear a farking welder's mask?
 
2012-11-21 11:43:52 AM

desertgeek: And no self respecting poker player will ever give that dope any business. Any poker player who's so focused on their poker face that they'd consider getting botox to help it is probably a very shiatty poker player.


But then you say...

desertgeek: To me, the entire face from the forehead down should be visible when you're in a hand (with exceptions for human emotions leading a player to things like putting their hat over their face in frustration, for example). So hats and hoodies could be fine as long as they don't block the face. Shades should never be welcome at a table.


So are you telling us that you need to see someone's face to know if s/he's got a good/bad hand? If you do, then you're an even worse poker player than the individual wanting botox injections.

/just curious
//plays online poker
///you either know or you don't, that's the beauty of it
 
2012-11-21 11:46:11 AM

Jedekai: It wouldn't EVEN REMOTELY surprise me to know they acquired this information from professional Magic players.

/WSOP: average of $9,000,000 in TNH.

Magic: Worlds? Well, last year the winner walked away with over SEVENTEEN MILLION (including endorsements).


I don't know, does the WSOP winner end up getting more than 8 million in endorsements or other tournaments during a year? Seems like an unfair comparison you're running here.

/ I'd still be ok with a paltry 9 million.
 
2012-11-21 11:47:01 AM
Or you can go and play enough live hands so that when you flop the nuts, it's just another hand played. But then the $600 to $800 might be cheaper for some folks.
 
2012-11-21 11:48:34 AM

Dr Dreidel: TheOther: SlothB77: Grapple: Couldn't you just... you know... not grin like a Cheshire Cat when playing and get a good hand? is it really that hard to do?

Top poker players can read even very subtle tells. One of the biggest giveaways is your pupils and botox won't prevent your pupils from expanding or contracting. That's why they wear sunglasses.

All in.

[3.bp.blogspot.com image 385x400]

Read these, mofo.

I'm reading "I took the brown acid 45 minutes ago," but the words keep sliding off the page.

Also, any poker player good enough to be at a high-stakes table like that is good enough to control themselves from jumping up when they hit a set. The eyes, hands and betting patterns are what you want to look at, and botox won't help you with any of those. I'm thinking whoever thought this was a good idea only knows poker playing from movies.

// old movies
// even Rounders didn't rely on "OMG his cheek muscle is twitching!"


Since, AFAIK, you can't botox your pupils, I was wondering if acid would work there. Of course, screaming 'These one-eyed jacks are staring at me!!!' probably would make it a moot point.
 
2012-11-21 11:49:28 AM

Rwa2play: desertgeek: To me, the entire face from the forehead down should be visible when you're in a hand (with exceptions for human emotions leading a player to things like putting their hat over their face in frustration, for example). So hats and hoodies could be fine as long as they don't block the face. Shades should never be welcome at a table.

So are you telling us that you need to see someone's face to know if s/he's got a good/bad hand? If you do, then you're an even worse poker player than the individual wanting botox injections.

/just curious
//plays online poker
///you either know or you don't, that's the beauty of it


Playing online is less about knowing whether somebody has a good hand as it is knowing which botnet algorithm the russian mob has programmed them with, and which other players at the table they're colluding with.

/ Played online a little bit for chump change back in the day, but I wouldn't trust any real amount of money on it.
 
2012-11-21 11:50:19 AM

tagkc: Or you can go and play enough live hands so that when you flop the nuts, it's just another hand played. But then the $600 to $800 might be cheaper for some folks.


This; it just kills me when people say "I need to see your face to tell if you've got the nuts or not." If someone's good enough, they could figure out what's on the table and what's in play without having to look at someone's face.
 
2012-11-21 11:54:09 AM
Client #1:

www.digdang.com

/I'd put money that either Negreanu or Hellmuth has had botox sometime in their lifetime too
 
2012-11-21 11:54:16 AM

serial_crusher: Rwa2play: desertgeek: To me, the entire face from the forehead down should be visible when you're in a hand (with exceptions for human emotions leading a player to things like putting their hat over their face in frustration, for example). So hats and hoodies could be fine as long as they don't block the face. Shades should never be welcome at a table.

So are you telling us that you need to see someone's face to know if s/he's got a good/bad hand? If you do, then you're an even worse poker player than the individual wanting botox injections.

/just curious
//plays online poker
///you either know or you don't, that's the beauty of it

Playing online is less about knowing whether somebody has a good hand as it is knowing which botnet algorithm the russian mob has programmed them with, and which other players at the table they're colluding with.


True.

/ Played online a little bit for chump change back in the day, but I wouldn't trust any real amount of money on it.

Yeah, I think it would be way too easy to gimmick that when real money's involved.
 
2012-11-21 11:59:39 AM

Martonio: Client #1:

[www.digdang.com image 600x528]

/I'd put money that either Negreanu or Hellmuth has had botox sometime in their lifetime too


There's a face in that picture?
 
2012-11-21 12:15:49 PM
I'm certainly not the greatest poker player in the world, but you can gleam more reliable "tells" on the relative strength and weakness of an opponents hand from a variety of things other than their face.
 
2012-11-21 12:18:35 PM

Martonio: Client #1:

[www.digdang.com image 600x528]


Child's Play 7: Cleavage of Chucky
 
2012-11-21 12:18:35 PM
Misleading headline is misleading, A plastic surgeon is offering the service to boost his business. No word on any takers.
 
2012-11-21 12:24:49 PM

TheOther: Martonio: Client #1:

[www.digdang.com image 600x528]

/I'd put money that either Negreanu or Hellmuth has had botox sometime in their lifetime too

There's a face in that picture?


I'm an expert with tells...she definitely has a big pair.
 
2012-11-21 12:33:54 PM

Killer Cars: I'm certainly not the greatest poker player in the world, but you can gleam more reliable "tells" on the relative strength and weakness of an opponents hand from a variety of things other than their face.


This.
 
2012-11-21 01:07:56 PM

rufus-t-firefly: desertgeek: drewogatory: So, if reading your opponents face is such a big part of poker, why can you wear hoods,hats,shades etc.? That bs should be against the rules.

To me, the entire face from the forehead down should be visible when you're in a hand (with exceptions for human emotions leading a player to things like putting their hat over their face in frustration, for example). So hats and hoodies could be fine as long as they don't block the face. Shades should never be welcome at a table.

EXACTLY.

Why not wear a farking welder's mask?


I'm thinking a burka.
 
2012-11-21 01:18:35 PM

drewogatory: So, if reading your opponents face is such a big part of poker, why can you wear hoods,hats,shades etc.? That bs should be against the rules.


while there are plenty of other tells that covering your face cannot hide, all of that should be against the rules - especially sunglasses.

Just a person's posture is important. If I have a good hand, i stiffen up, lean forward, get more tense and less disinterested in the hand. The pros can maintain the same posture position for hours at a time. That itself can be very exhausting.
 
2012-11-21 01:26:19 PM

Jedekai: It wouldn't EVEN REMOTELY surprise me to know they acquired this information from professional Magic players.

/WSOP: average of $9,000,000 in TNH.

Magic: Worlds? Well, last year the winner walked away with over SEVENTEEN MILLION (including endorsements).


Well, actually, back in 2010 the Magic World Champion finished 311th in the WSOP main event.

Prize for the World Championship: $45,000.

Prize for placing 311th in the Big 'Un: $41,967.

And you wonder why they jump.

/Magic is a good "gateway game", though. Ask Dave Williams and Brock Parker.
 
2012-11-21 03:08:29 PM
Best card player evar.

www3.pictures.zimbio.com
 
2012-11-21 03:30:00 PM

Rwa2play: desertgeek: And no self respecting poker player will ever give that dope any business. Any poker player who's so focused on their poker face that they'd consider getting botox to help it is probably a very shiatty poker player.

But then you say...

desertgeek: To me, the entire face from the forehead down should be visible when you're in a hand (with exceptions for human emotions leading a player to things like putting their hat over their face in frustration, for example). So hats and hoodies could be fine as long as they don't block the face. Shades should never be welcome at a table.

So are you telling us that you need to see someone's face to know if s/he's got a good/bad hand? If you do, then you're an even worse poker player than the individual wanting botox injections.

/just curious
//plays online poker
///you either know or you don't, that's the beauty of it


If I'm saying that, then there's quite a few professional poker players who are saying it as well. I've heard some big name players say things to similar effect.
 
2012-11-21 03:33:17 PM

Martonio: I'm an expert with tells...she definitely has a big pair.


Well played.
 
2012-11-21 03:52:46 PM
The trick is to go the opposite direction, and surgically mangle your face so that it's a distraction to your opponents. Try reading my tells when I'm making the Large Marge face on every hand, suckers.
 
2012-11-21 05:24:58 PM

Cagey B: The trick is to go the opposite direction, and surgically mangle your face so that it's a distraction to your opponents. Try reading my tells when I'm making the Large Marge face on every hand, suckers.


My strategy is to start yipping and yelping like Kramer did in the Joe DiMaggio episode.

/Tourrette's Syndrome FTW
 
2012-11-21 09:14:54 PM
www.tawnya.us
 
2012-11-22 12:52:47 AM
What I can't figure out is, why is this on the sports tab?
 
2012-11-22 05:01:19 AM

Jedekai: It wouldn't EVEN REMOTELY surprise me to know they acquired this information from professional Magic players.

/WSOP: average of $9,000,000 in TNH.

Magic: Worlds? Well, last year the winner walked away with over SEVENTEEN MILLION (including endorsements).


um, there are magic the gathering endorsements? Axe body spray and xray specs?

/ that number cannot POSSIBLY be right, can it?
// I hope not.
 
2012-11-22 05:02:09 AM
Wait, you didnt say 17 million what.. Did he walk away with 17 million dandruff flakes on his shoulders?
 
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