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2012-11-21 09:18:21 AM  
I think the second comment on that article pretty much says everything that needs to be said.
 
2012-11-21 09:50:27 AM  
 
2012-11-21 10:02:44 AM  
 
2012-11-21 10:31:14 AM  
I don't care if they sound the same. Sometimes, they just tend to make a nice jam.

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Ill just leave that here.
 
2012-11-21 10:38:01 AM  

Sybarite: I think the second comment on that article pretty much says everything that needs to be said.


I'll agree that the commenter is right when he says that you can't make TFA's argument based solely on western music. But couldn't it be argued that there are a limited number of beats and a limited number of notes that can be played on each beat? Analog or not, eventually the human ear won't be able to discern the difference in pitch. Whole note, 1/8th note, or 1/1800th note, again the ear isn't going to be able to tell the difference after a certain level. Wouldn't those things limit the actual number of note combinations that can be played?
 
2012-11-21 10:43:09 AM  
I don't know what it is about this guy, but I want to punch him every time I hear him talk. I can't watch his videos, it's almost painful to me. I really like Minute Physics and ASAP science, though.

/anyone else feel the same way?
 
2012-11-21 12:02:12 PM  
lol at

ndubyaj: I don't know what it is about this guy, but I want to punch him every time I hear him talk. I can't watch his videos, it's almost painful to me. I really like Minute Physics and ASAP science, though.

/anyone else feel the same way?


I have teaching experience with those afflicted with ADHD, in both the home and professional environment. Since punching students is unprofessional, and punching my brother became ineffective when he earned a black-belt in some martial art years ago, I learned to use music instead; for example
"Please,Back the F**k up and lower your voice" sung to whatever tune fits the moment.

EmperorSled: Sybarite: I think the second comment on that article pretty much says everything that needs to be said.

I'll agree that the commenter is right when he says that you can't make TFA's argument based solely on western music. But couldn't it be argued that there are a limited number of beats and a limited number of notes that can be played on each beat? Analog or not, eventually the human ear won't be able to discern the difference in pitch. Whole note, 1/8th note, or 1/1800th note, again the ear isn't going to be able to tell the difference after a certain level. Wouldn't those things limit the actual number of note combinations that can be played?


This is one of the reasons most popular music involves trance and hypnotic elements, inspired by non-western music. There are elements in a lot of pre-western ancient music that target other spots on the body than the ear. Music is one of the elements the doctor/shaman used to cure people of the crazy, or the gout, or the whatever-ailed-'em back then.
Whenever I see a clip of Skrillex "dropping the Bass" I think of the Kenny G Molestation-Brown Note episode of Southpark.
 
2012-11-21 12:22:55 PM  
The thinking is that there are a finite number of tones our ears can distinguished and a few notes in common in different songs can make the song sound similar.

No, the "thinking" is that music has to fit into the same key in order to work. Yes, you can have your Jimi Hendrix and Frank Zappa types that can handle dissonance, but even that is limited. Notes have to fit into specific keys for the music to work together, no matter what culture is writing the music. As a reult, there are a finite number of songs.

I've always joked that I should sit down and figure out the needed algorithm for this, and then write a computer program to write every possible song. I will then copyright the fark out of these and sue everyone to come after me. Considering the stuff the RIAA gets away with, I should have no problems.

This isn't to say that the total output of this app isn't in the hundreds of trillions, but the very fact that there are rules and structure dealing with individual identifiable elements says that yes, math could make it all work.

And as for the "second comment" where someone says all you have to do is add one more note, sorry, that doesn't make it a "whole new piece of music", that just makes it an already existing piece of music that is one note longer. If this really IS what people require now to make something count as new, it's really no wonder that music is starting to not only suck so much, but all sound the same.
 
2012-11-21 01:03:44 PM  
Orders of infinity say nope.
 
2012-11-21 03:31:13 PM  
If a tree falls in the forest and no one's there to hear it, then we've found the perfect place for a Nickelback concert.
 
2012-11-21 04:49:20 PM  
that was pretty cool.
 
2012-11-21 05:06:31 PM  

Mikey1969: I've always joked that I should sit down and figure out the needed algorithm for this, and then write a computer program to write every possible song. I will then copyright the fark out of these and sue everyone to come after me. Considering the stuff the RIAA gets away with, I should have no problems.


Amusingly, since you aren't supposed to be able to copyright the output of mathematical equations, you would inadvertently prove that all music is just math and all sheet music copyrights would be invalidated.

Or Sony would slip strychnine into your tea.
 
2012-11-21 06:51:41 PM  
This is like saying that there's a finite number of 5000-word stories or 10000 character computer programs. Technically the statement is true, but it doesn't have any practical application.

The random 5000 word stories will contain great epics and moving narratives, but it also contains the story that is nothing but the word "ass" repeated 5000 times. The set of all possible songs contains both Pachelbel's Canon, but it also contains the song that is nothing but a guy farting into a trombone for five minutes.

These concepts can be used to answer interesting hypotheticals, such as whether you could make a mega-song that includes all other songs within it, but it's not seriously going to inform anyone's work.
 
2012-11-21 10:45:07 PM  
Depends on how strict you want to be with the term "same". "Another One Bites the Dust" and "Ice Ice Baby" have a nearly identical bass line, but there are so many other layers to the music, so many that I see these two songs as very different and I don't see us ever running out of combinations from those layers. I even view the Gangnam style done by the metal guitarist last SMHMHC as different from the original.

And a good analogy to the limited number of notes would the be limited number of crimes, yet there seems to be no shortage of detective stories.
 
2012-11-22 12:38:38 AM  
I'm going to say the answer to this question is Pachabel
 
2012-11-22 02:56:43 PM  

ndubyaj: I don't know what it is about this guy, but I want to punch him every time I hear him talk. I can't watch his videos, it's almost painful to me. I really like Minute Physics and ASAP science, though.

/anyone else feel the same way?


Yeah....this is why I had "vlogging". There was a time when people would go to school, or at least learn how, to farking talk into a camera like a human being and hold someone's interest. But now everyone just does the 16 year old boy sarcastic voice to emphasize every 4th word, and wobbles their head around. God damn, it annoys me.
 
2012-11-23 03:37:27 AM  
This should encourage lawmakers to relax copyright laws.
 
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