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(Huffington Post)   Let's ask some U.S. politicians about the age of the planet   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 218
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2012-11-21 08:24:35 PM  

whidbey: phlegmmo: I'll just leave this here:

Link

Why, are we supposed to be outraged by this or something?

Is this supposed to somehow make Rubio not a complete fundie dipshiat?

Just wondering what your motives are?



I just found it interesting. I don't think it means anything - one way or the other. This is a discussion of how politicians answer questions.
 
2012-11-21 08:51:04 PM  

Cubicle Jockey: wippit: Pochas: The guy who said the big bang theory is a lie straight from the pit of hell sat on the science committee in congress. As an actual scientist that is outrageous and offensive to me. It is like the S.A. in U.S.A stands for Saudi Arabia.

Except for Saudi Arabia being a Muslim country, and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.

Then someone needs to tell Turkey.

Acceptance of Evolution in various countries
[scienceblogs.com image 456x646]


Interesting. I wonder why Canada wasn't included. I imagine we would be halfway between Iceland and the US.
 
2012-11-21 09:04:45 PM  

phlegmmo: This is a discussion of how politicians answer questions.


No, pretty sure it's a discussion about how some prominent Republicans believe a lot of fundamentalist Christian bullshiat and how they try to defend it when confronted with science.

And nowhere in your link does Obama urge we "teach the controversy" or whatever absurd recommendations these examples in TFA are making.
 
2012-11-21 09:16:38 PM  

whidbey: And nowhere in your link does Obama urge we "teach the controversy" or whatever absurd recommendations these examples in TFA are making.


True.  It was an article I stumbled upon today that I thought had some tangential tie-in to the general discussion. Perhaps that assumption was faulty.
 
2012-11-21 09:39:34 PM  

mrshowrules: Cubicle Jockey: wippit: Pochas: The guy who said the big bang theory is a lie straight from the pit of hell sat on the science committee in congress. As an actual scientist that is outrageous and offensive to me. It is like the S.A. in U.S.A stands for Saudi Arabia.

Except for Saudi Arabia being a Muslim country, and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.

Then someone needs to tell Turkey.

Acceptance of Evolution in various countries
[scienceblogs.com image 456x646]

Interesting. I wonder why Canada wasn't included. I imagine we would be halfway between Iceland and the US.


I'd like to hope we are in the ballpark of the UK or at least closer to the Iceland end of that chart than even the middle.
 
2012-11-21 10:59:50 PM  
FTA -

every isotope with a half life less than about 70 million years is absent (evidently because all traces have disappeared during the age of the earth),

Huh? That does not seem to be factually accurate by a very long shot.

But that aside, I learned in school that the earth is 4.6 billion years old and it didn't seem to shake my faith in God the least little bit.
 
2012-11-21 11:41:49 PM  

eraser8: Benevolent Misanthrope: MOST politicians are no more educated, intelligent, or moral than the general populace, and often significantly less so. They go to church and they believe, just like other Americans. Its not an act, for most of them.

I disagree. MOST politicians are actually more educated and intelligent than the general populace. They're not smarter than everybody; but, they're smarter than most.

But, they're also FAR LESS moral...which is why they say such stupid things: they're pandering to the (very stupid) masses. 

/at least in Washington
//worked in government there for a couple of years
///that town is FULL of well-educated people saying ridiculously stupid things. On purpose.


But doesn't one have to be to get into that nasty racket?
 
2012-11-22 12:54:41 AM  
"I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended for us to forgo their use."
-Galileo Galilei
 
2012-11-22 02:37:22 PM  

Serious Post on Serious Thread: wippit: Ok, that dictionary.com definition turns me off of the term. I renounce my creationism.

I'm... wippit.

You can't renounce being something you never were.

If you remove context and precision from a definition it is pointless.

Humans: Noun; a creature that breathes air and lives on earth.
So now dolphins, dogs and birds are humans.

Sky: Noun: Something that is blue.
So now my pen is the sky.

/See how that works?


Stop badgering the witness!
 
2012-11-22 02:39:11 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: piledhigheranddeeper: The 6000 to 4.5 billion range is a philosophical answer, not a scientific one.

If your philosophy is "there's no difference between reality and fantasy", yeah. I feel sorry for your child.


I reject your reality and substitute my own.

NA Na Na Na

Neener Neener Neener.
 
2012-11-22 03:07:42 PM  
Ok, so how old is the Earth, or are we more interested in how old it ain't?
 
2012-11-22 03:52:42 PM  

wippit: pciszek: wippit: Pochas: The guy who said the big bang theory is a lie straight from the pit of hell sat on the science committee in congress. As an actual scientist that is outrageous and offensive to me. It is like the S.A. in U.S.A stands for Saudi Arabia.

Except for Saudi Arabia being a Muslim country, and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.

No, devout Muslims are even younger-Earth than the Christian YEC's. Pretty much every bad thing you can say about Christianity applies in spades to Islam.

Many Muslim commentators have stated that there are references in the Qur'an to the Big Bang.[21][22] One example of such a finding is a verse from the Qur'an, Sura 21:30, which states: "Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"[23][24]


Ask a Hindu the age of the Earth, or the universe, for that matter. I think they have the closest estimate.
 
2012-11-22 03:55:22 PM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: piledhigheranddeeper: The 6000 to 4.5 billion range is a philosophical answer, not a scientific one.

If your philosophy is "there's no difference between reality and fantasy", yeah. I feel sorry for your child.


The more we learn about the universe, the more "reality" looks like fantasy.

Link
 
2012-11-22 03:56:25 PM  

RedVentrue: LouDobbsAwaaaay: piledhigheranddeeper: The 6000 to 4.5 billion range is a philosophical answer, not a scientific one.

If your philosophy is "there's no difference between reality and fantasy", yeah. I feel sorry for your child.

The more we learn about the universe, the more "reality" looks like fantasy.

Link


Dammit

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_mechanics
 
2012-11-22 11:22:09 PM  

thatboyoverthere: t3knomanser: Or, even if you believe in the judeochristolamic deities, you could agree that the creation myth is a myth, and the details are not meant to be representative of actual events.

My Mythology class at a Catholic High School pointed out that most of the Old Testament were Myths. That every culture has a creation story, that every culture has a great flood story. If the Catholic Church can admit why can't they?


Because the Vatican is evil. Don't you read Chick Tracts?
 
2012-11-23 10:45:08 AM  
ANLY HONEST ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION: i HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO farkING IDEA. AND NIETHER DO YOU UNTIL A TIME MACHINE IS INVENTED.
 
2012-11-23 11:57:35 AM  
There is no exact number (and there never would be no matter what, because the Earth formed as part of a process and there would be no clear point to apply the date to), but you can say with near certainty that the earth is between 4.4 and 4.6 billion years old.
We have material originating on Earth that is at least 4.4 billion years old and multiple dating methods (using the sun and meteorites) but the Solar System at less than 4.6 billion years old. So we have an upper and lower bound, you can say for certain where in that range it lies, but that is a hell of a lot more precise than "nobody knows" and the accepted range is smaller with something like 4.54 +/- 0.05 billion years.
 
2012-11-23 07:15:34 PM  

Jarhead_h: ANLY HONEST ANSWER TO THAT QUESTION: i HAVE ABSOLUTELY NO farkING IDEA. AND NIETHER DO YOU UNTIL A TIME MACHINE IS INVENTED.


Having some uncertainty isn't the same as absolutely no idea.
 
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