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2012-11-21 09:36:48 AM  

rev. dave: Anything not in the range of 4.3 billion years is a wrong answer. Stop opposing science you morons.


The Earth, and everything else is 13.75 myo,

so they say.

You and I are also.
 
2012-11-21 09:38:48 AM  

ghall3:
So what you are saying is god could have created everything yesterday and implanted all of our memories of the time before yesterday?


He could have. We cold all just be sprites in a game of Sim Existence, booted up on a cosmic Commodore 64. Would it change how people act? Would we suddenly stop trying to figure things out?
 
2012-11-21 09:38:52 AM  

Dwight_Yeast: sno man: Forget the Twinkie thing, these two and others like them on your F-ing science committee is why the rest of the world points and laughs.
How did you guys get to the moon with guys like this in charge?

/knows they weren't in charge then...
//wonders how they are now.

Short answer: Reagan sold the Republican Party out to the Religious Right in 1980 to assure his win.


Then they sold it to the NeoCon fascists.

Profit!

Prophet?
 
2012-11-21 09:39:21 AM  
Much ado about nothing
 
2012-11-21 09:42:42 AM  

SlothB77: 4.54 billion-year-old earth

I memorized this for science class. Now, more than 20 years removed from when I learned it, i forgot the exact number. That disqualifies me from being a senator? I have to go back and memorize everything from 8th grade science again now?


The difference between 4.5 billion and 6,000 is not that much. I totally agree with you.
 
2012-11-21 09:42:55 AM  

wippit: He could have. We cold all just be sprites in a game of Sim Existence, booted up on a cosmic Commodore 64. Would it change how people act? Would we suddenly stop trying to figure things out?


Then what is the point in having religion? Wouldn't it be easier just to base our actions and beliefs around what we can actually prove works?
If there is no way to prove one religion is the "right" religion shouldn't they all just go away because they are a waste of time?
 
2012-11-21 09:45:50 AM  

ghall3:
Then what is the point in having religion? Wouldn't it be easier just to base our actions and beliefs around what we can actually prove works?
If there is no way to prove one religion is the "right" religion shouldn't they all just go away because they are a waste of time?


Replace religion with government. Which government is right?

We have religion because it is another way people can gain power. Religion has very little to do with believing in God.
 
2012-11-21 09:49:42 AM  

wippit: ... and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.


So long as it goes off near a bunch of Jews.
 
2012-11-21 09:52:33 AM  

give me doughnuts: So long as it goes off near a bunch of Jews.


Or Christians, or Buddhists, or Atheists, or women they aren't picky

/I kid, not all of them are completely insane
 
2012-11-21 09:55:03 AM  

ghall3: wippit: He could have. We cold all just be sprites in a game of Sim Existence, booted up on a cosmic Commodore 64. Would it change how people act? Would we suddenly stop trying to figure things out?

Then what is the point in having religion? Wouldn't it be easier just to base our actions and beliefs around what we can actually prove works?
If there is no way to prove one religion is the "right" religion shouldn't they all just go away because they are a waste of time?


That's assuming people are perfectly rational players; they are not. When our logical minds fail to understand the world around us they turn to any alternative explanation they can find, and often that is religion. Religion requires far less effort and is much more comforting than often cold nihilistic sounding scientific ideas.
 
2012-11-21 09:55:11 AM  

RedVentrue: rev. dave: Anything not in the range of 4.3 billion years is a wrong answer. Stop opposing science you morons.

The Earth, and everything else is 13.75 myo,

so they say.

You and I are also.


Probably much older than that. Bounce theory accounts for expansion much better than bang ever did.
 
2012-11-21 09:57:50 AM  

SlothB77: 4.54 billion-year-old earth

I memorized this for science class. Now, more than 20 years removed from when I learned it, i forgot the exact number. That disqualifies me from being a senator? I have to go back and memorize everything from 8th grade science again now?


It's like not remembering how many inches are in a yard, or hours in a day.
 
2012-11-21 09:59:44 AM  

MayoSlather: That's assuming people are perfectly rational players; they are not. When our logical minds fail to understand the world around us they turn to any alternative explanation they can find, and often that is religion. Religion requires far less effort and is much more comforting than often cold nihilistic sounding scientific ideas.


I know, it just frustrates me that people setting policy in this country can hold on to such insane ideas. You can have religion if you want, but not at the expense of verifiable facts. The universe doesn't care what you believe as someone said earlier, so just accept how it works so we can advance or get out of the way. As the article points out, all of the technology these idiots rely on everyday breaks down if science is fungible.
 
2012-11-21 10:02:26 AM  

give me doughnuts: It's like not remembering how many inches are in a yard, or hours in a day.


And then refusing to ballpark it, or in the case of some of them making a guess like "there are 1/10000000 seconds in a day".
 
2012-11-21 10:04:31 AM  

wippit: ghall3:
If I advocate that God wished the universe into existence 10 billion years ago, and the big bang was the physical manifestation of that wish... where's the conflict?

I suppose in that instance there is no conflict, other than believing in something that is not provable either way so what is the point in believing that, or championing a belief in that?

It could lead to fewer scientific endeavors to understand the universe though. If everyone believes that 100% why would we bother looking for answers beyond that arbitrary barrier you set up with God?

Why would God have created an entire universe to begin with if he didn't want people to try to understand it?


Plastic. A$$hole.

/Carlin
 
2012-11-21 10:04:51 AM  

Pochas: I was raised Catholic and I dont know what hermeneutic methods are. That would probably be an acceptable answer even for other Catholics.


"Hermeneutics" is a fancy word for "interpretation." The theologically-minded like to at least try to formalize their approach to how scripture is interpreted, so that they can deflect claims that their doctrine is ad-hoc. Hence, you'll see statements like "Interpret less clear passages in light of more clear ones" or "scripture never contradicts scripture," which tend to be fancy ways of saying "we'll give the Bible the benefit of the doubt in such a way that it's impossible, even in principle, to show that it contains contradictions or factual errors."

My point in this particular case was that I would love to see an outspokenly religious politician who accepts an older earth (like the Catholics) get asked "What does it mean to say the Bible is true if you don't know what it's saying (until science comes along and clarifies the facts.)" Trying to answer that on the record is a rhetorical minefield.

I would also add that this doesn't mean I think religious people are somehow unqualified for office, just that when you start to argue this stuff publicly, you've got to be ready to follow your line of reasoning to its conclusion. A perfectly acceptable answer to a question on the age of the Earth would be: "Well, a number of fields of science have provided very good evidence that the Earth is about 4.3 billion years old. A large number of the religious people in this country have made peace with the evidence, but how they do that is ultimately their business."
 
2012-11-21 10:05:32 AM  

HallsOfMandos: wippit: ghall3:
If I advocate that God wished the universe into existence 10 billion years ago, and the big bang was the physical manifestation of that wish... where's the conflict?

I suppose in that instance there is no conflict, other than believing in something that is not provable either way so what is the point in believing that, or championing a belief in that?

It could lead to fewer scientific endeavors to understand the universe though. If everyone believes that 100% why would we bother looking for answers beyond that arbitrary barrier you set up with God?

Why would God have created an entire universe to begin with if he didn't want people to try to understand it?

Plastic. A$$hole.

/Carlin


To clarify, I am quoting a George Carlin bit, not trying to call anyone names in here
 
2012-11-21 10:06:41 AM  

Martian_Astronomer: Trying to answer that on the record is a rhetorical minefield.


"That's an excellent question, and one that speaks deeply to my faith. You see, I am a man of great faith..."
 
2012-11-21 10:10:35 AM  

pxsteel: RedVentrue: rev. dave: Anything not in the range of 4.3 billion years is a wrong answer. Stop opposing science you morons.

The Earth, and everything else is 13.75 myo,

so they say.

You and I are also.

Probably much older than that. Bounce theory accounts for expansion much better than bang ever did.


I have a feeling you are right that the big U is older.

Try telling that to some of the Evangelical Scienticians around here.
 
2012-11-21 10:11:19 AM  
This country used to have some respect for science.

moonpans.com
 
2012-11-21 10:13:01 AM  

ghall3: MayoSlather: That's assuming people are perfectly rational players; they are not. When our logical minds fail to understand the world around us they turn to any alternative explanation they can find, and often that is religion. Religion requires far less effort and is much more comforting than often cold nihilistic sounding scientific ideas.

I know, it just frustrates me that people setting policy in this country can hold on to such insane ideas. You can have religion if you want, but not at the expense of verifiable facts.


The age of the earth and Universe are not 'verifiable facts', they are estimates. The age of the earth, 4.3-5 is roughly based on the age of our star. The universe is calculated on how long we believe it took 'light' to reach us from a star at the far end of the universe. Are the 4.3 & 13 numbers correct, probably not, but they are a farkload closer than 6k.
 
2012-11-21 10:13:55 AM  

wippit: There is nothing wrong with trying to incorporate outside references to try to get your point across. You teach people using the methods those people will understand. Who cares that they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, as long as they understand the material?


Because if they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, then they don't understand the material. That's the whole point. All they see is "the Bible is vindicated again!". That's not helpful. This is the sort of nonsense that perpetuates ridiculous, primitive notions like Jesus riding around on dinosaurs or Satan burying bones in the Earth to tempt us to skepticism. We're a first-world nation and we still can't bring ourselves to say that evolution is real. It's madness, and it holds us back. It permeates into real-world decision making.

If Christians want to reject the observations of the reality-based community, then they are free to do so. But it is neither the job of the reality-based community, nor a particularly good idea, to spoon-feed them little pieces of reality here and there hidden inside of scripture in order to make it more palatable to them. We shouldn't have to sit down with the account of their goat-herder fantasy from thousands of years ago and find ways of twisting the phrasing so that we can fit reality inside of it. To do so is to throw away Occam's Razor and just simulate the legitimacy of any stupid mythology someone can manage to believe in, and for the sake of what? Sparing bruised egos? What an incredible waste of time and energy.
 
2012-11-21 10:14:02 AM  

wippit: Pochas: The guy who said the big bang theory is a lie straight from the pit of hell sat on the science committee in congress. As an actual scientist that is outrageous and offensive to me. It is like the S.A. in U.S.A stands for Saudi Arabia.

Except for Saudi Arabia being a Muslim country, and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.


No, devout Muslims are even younger-Earth than the Christian YEC's. Pretty much every bad thing you can say about Christianity applies in spades to Islam.
 
2012-11-21 10:14:37 AM  

t3knomanser: Martian_Astronomer: Trying to answer that on the record is a rhetorical minefield.

"That's an excellent question, and one that speaks deeply to my faith. You see, I am a man of great faith..."


...Sigh...I know. I guess I'm just hoping that someone manages to step in that one Todd Akin style...
 
2012-11-21 10:15:55 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: wippit: There is nothing wrong with trying to incorporate outside references to try to get your point across. You teach people using the methods those people will understand. Who cares that they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, as long as they understand the material?

Because if they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, then they don't understand the material. That's the whole point. All they see is "the Bible is vindicated again!". That's not helpful. This is the sort of nonsense that perpetuates ridiculous, primitive notions like Jesus riding around on dinosaurs or Satan burying bones in the Earth to tempt us to skepticism. We're a first-world nation and we still can't bring ourselves to say that evolution is real. It's madness, and it holds us back. It permeates into real-world decision making.

If Christians want to reject the observations of the reality-based community, then they are free to do so. But it is neither the job of the reality-based community, nor a particularly good idea, to spoon-feed them little pieces of reality here and there hidden inside of scripture in order to make it more palatable to them. We shouldn't have to sit down with the account of their goat-herder fantasy from thousands of years ago and find ways of twisting the phrasing so that we can fit reality inside of it. To do so is to throw away Occam's Razor and just simulate the legitimacy of any stupid mythology someone can manage to believe in, and for the sake of what? Sparing bruised egos? What an incredible waste of time and energy.


I hope you're not a teacher for disabled children with that attitude...
 
2012-11-21 10:15:58 AM  

pxsteel: ghall3: MayoSlather: That's assuming people are perfectly rational players; they are not. When our logical minds fail to understand the world around us they turn to any alternative explanation they can find, and often that is religion. Religion requires far less effort and is much more comforting than often cold nihilistic sounding scientific ideas.

I know, it just frustrates me that people setting policy in this country can hold on to such insane ideas. You can have religion if you want, but not at the expense of verifiable facts.

The age of the earth and Universe are not 'verifiable facts', they are estimates. The age of the earth, 4.3-5 is roughly based on the age of our star. The universe is calculated on how long we believe it took 'light' to reach us from a star at the far end of the universe. Are the 4.3 & 13 numbers correct, probably not, but they are a farkload closer than 6k.


It's a verifiable fact we can rule out the Earth being 6000 years old.
 
2012-11-21 10:17:28 AM  

pxsteel: The age of the earth and Universe are not 'verifiable facts', they are estimates. The age of the earth, 4.3-5 is roughly based on the age of our star. The universe is calculated on how long we believe it took 'light' to reach us from a star at the far end of the universe. Are the 4.3 & 13 numbers correct, probably not, but they are a farkload closer than 6k.


Well it's verifiable that it is in that range. Although there are more than just those methods of getting to those numbers. The age of the universe is also calculated by using the temperature of the universe and other methods that all help narrow it down.
 
2012-11-21 10:17:32 AM  

pciszek: wippit: Pochas: The guy who said the big bang theory is a lie straight from the pit of hell sat on the science committee in congress. As an actual scientist that is outrageous and offensive to me. It is like the S.A. in U.S.A stands for Saudi Arabia.

Except for Saudi Arabia being a Muslim country, and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.

No, devout Muslims are even younger-Earth than the Christian YEC's. Pretty much every bad thing you can say about Christianity applies in spades to Islam.


Many Muslim commentators have stated that there are references in the Qur'an to the Big Bang.[21][22] One example of such a finding is a verse from the Qur'an, Sura 21:30, which states: "Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"[23][24]
 
2012-11-21 10:19:06 AM  

t3knomanser: And the chilling thing is that this isn't simply a fundamentalist world-view- this is mainstream Protestantism.


Yes, Protestantism encourages a more personal view of the Bible and religion in general, but most mainline protestants (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Congregationalists) aren't literalists. Even Baptists don't usually take the Bible as 100% literal truth. That is the realm of Evangelicals.
 
2012-11-21 10:19:59 AM  

wippit: Pochas: The guy who said the big bang theory is a lie straight from the pit of hell sat on the science committee in congress. As an actual scientist that is outrageous and offensive to me. It is like the S.A. in U.S.A stands for Saudi Arabia.

Except for Saudi Arabia being a Muslim country, and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.


Then someone needs to tell Turkey.

Acceptance of Evolution in various countries
scienceblogs.com
 
2012-11-21 10:22:08 AM  

dywed88: Yes, Protestantism encourages a more personal view of the Bible and religion in general, but most mainline protestants (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Congregationalists) aren't literalists.


Not always true. The looniest YEC literalist I've ever met was a Lutheran (and a high school science teacher and a med student).
 
2012-11-21 10:22:59 AM  

dittybopper: After more than a decade of working on a college campus, my conclusion is that higher education is only very weakly correlated with intelligence*.


So I'm guessing the Mohawk was a post tenure decision.
 
2012-11-21 10:25:37 AM  
[ctrl+f] "bevets"

*Phrase not found*

Awww.
 
2012-11-21 10:25:53 AM  

SlothB77: 4.54 billion-year-old earth

I memorized this for science class. Now, more than 20 years removed from when I learned it, i forgot the exact number. That disqualifies me from being a senator? I have to go back and memorize everything from 8th grade science again now?


Correct enough answers include:
A few billion years (which is what I would go with if asked without expecting it or a chance to look it up)
I am not sure of the figure, but will look it up. After checking, it is approximately 4.5 billion years.

Incorrect answers include:
Anything that considers 6000 years as a possibility.

And, no, a poor background in science shouldn't preclude you from being elected, but it should keep you off of science committees.
 
2012-11-21 10:27:07 AM  

Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: You people are silly. This, like most utterances of the political class, was a worthless, mustn't offend any potential voter non-answer. Behold, the power of aspiring politicians:

Q: Senator, if one of your daughters asked you-and maybe they already have-"Daddy, did god really create the world in 6 days?," what would you say?

A: What I've said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it ... it may not be 24-hour days, and that's what I believe. I know there's always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don't, and I think it's a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I'm a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live-that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don't presume to know. 

Sen. Obama, D-Ill., speaking at the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa. on April 13, 2008. 

He doesn't presume to know because he's not a scientist, man. He's a politician.


Mugato [TotalFark] 2012-11-19 05:12:45 PM

Would you people try to stop being deliberately obtuse for one minute? Of course we're most likely never going to know how old the earth is to the minute. That's not what he's saying. He's saying that he doesn't want to piss off the mouth breathers who still think the earth is less than 10,000 years old, based on the ramblings of a book that also said some guy got every species of creature known and unknown to man at the time to fark on a boat.

GAT_00 2012-11-19 11:12:27 AM

So much for Rubioclaiming he wanted to move the GOP away from social values. You're just as bad as Huckabee. At least he's honest that he thinks Jebus made the planet and that's why he should be President. You claim to disavow these people yet you still play lip service to them, 4 years out from the next election! You're not changing a damn thing, you're still the problem.

Nice guys, real nice.
 
2012-11-21 10:27:22 AM  

wademh: [upload.wikimedia.org image 216x318]
Sometimes I am entertained by people who think highly of humans and expect good things of them.


Nearly as amusing as people painting the entire human race with an exceptionally wide brush.
 
2012-11-21 10:27:35 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: wippit: There is nothing wrong with trying to incorporate outside references to try to get your point across. You teach people using the methods those people will understand. Who cares that they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, as long as they understand the material?

Because if they have to see it through the lens of the Bible, then they don't understand the material. That's the whole point. All they see is "the Bible is vindicated again!". That's not helpful. This is the sort of nonsense that perpetuates ridiculous, primitive notions like Jesus riding around on dinosaurs or Satan burying bones in the Earth to tempt us to skepticism. We're a first-world nation and we still can't bring ourselves to say that evolution is real. It's madness, and it holds us back. It permeates into real-world decision making.

If Christians want to reject the observations of the reality-based community, then they are free to do so. But it is neither the job of the reality-based community, nor a particularly good idea, to spoon-feed them little pieces of reality here and there hidden inside of scripture in order to make it more palatable to them. We shouldn't have to sit down with the account of their goat-herder fantasy from thousands of years ago and find ways of twisting the phrasing so that we can fit reality inside of it. To do so is to throw away Occam's Razor and just simulate the legitimacy of any stupid mythology someone can manage to believe in, and for the sake of what? Sparing bruised egos? What an incredible waste of time and energy.


Occam's razor is incorrect.
 
2012-11-21 10:29:50 AM  

Cubicle Jockey: wippit: Pochas: The guy who said the big bang theory is a lie straight from the pit of hell sat on the science committee in congress. As an actual scientist that is outrageous and offensive to me. It is like the S.A. in U.S.A stands for Saudi Arabia.

Except for Saudi Arabia being a Muslim country, and Muslims believe in the Big Bang.

Then someone needs to tell Turkey.

Acceptance of Evolution in various countries
[scienceblogs.com image 456x646]


Your graphic leaves out over 50% of the population on the planet. No China or India or middle east. Their numbers are lower than Turkeys.
 
2012-11-21 10:30:09 AM  

Fluorescent Testicle: dywed88: Yes, Protestantism encourages a more personal view of the Bible and religion in general, but most mainline protestants (Lutherans, Presbyterians, Congregationalists) aren't literalists.

Not always true. The looniest YEC literalist I've ever met was a Lutheran (and a high school science teacher and a med student).


There are loonies in every group. But if you took a random sample from any mainline Protestant denomination, very few would believe the Earth is 6000 years old. If you went with Evangelical churches there would be far more creationists.
 
2012-11-21 10:30:38 AM  

dywed88: SlothB77: 4.54 billion-year-old earth

I memorized this for science class. Now, more than 20 years removed from when I learned it, i forgot the exact number. That disqualifies me from being a senator? I have to go back and memorize everything from 8th grade science again now?

Correct enough answers include:
A few billion years (which is what I would go with if asked without expecting it or a chance to look it up)
I am not sure of the figure, but will look it up. After checking, it is approximately 4.5 billion years.

Incorrect answers include:
Anything that considers 6000 years as a possibility.

And, no, a poor background in science shouldn't preclude you from being elected, but it should keep you off of science committees.


This is true.
 
2012-11-21 10:32:52 AM  

Zeb Hesselgresser: Ted Kennedy's Brain Tumor: You people are silly. This, like most utterances of the political class, was a worthless, mustn't offend any potential voter non-answer. Behold, the power of aspiring politicians:

Q: Senator, if one of your daughters asked you-and maybe they already have-"Daddy, did god really create the world in 6 days?," what would you say?

A: What I've said to them is that I believe that God created the universe and that the six days in the Bible may not be six days as we understand it ... it may not be 24-hour days, and that's what I believe. I know there's always a debate between those who read the Bible literally and those who don't, and I think it's a legitimate debate within the Christian community of which I'm a part. My belief is that the story that the Bible tells about God creating this magnificent Earth on which we live-that is essentially true, that is fundamentally true. Now, whether it happened exactly as we might understand it reading the text of the Bible: That, I don't presume to know. 

Sen. Obama, D-Ill., speaking at the Compassion Forum at Messiah College in Grantham, Pa. on April 13, 2008. 

He doesn't presume to know because he's not a scientist, man. He's a politician.

Mugato [TotalFark] 2012-11-19 05:12:45 PM

Would you people try to stop being deliberately obtuse for one minute? Of course we're most likely never going to know how old the earth is to the minute. That's not what he's saying. He's saying that he doesn't want to piss off the mouth breathers who still think the earth is less than 10,000 years old, based on the ramblings of a book that also said some guy got every species of creature known and unknown to man at the time to fark on a boat.

GAT_00 2012-11-19 11:12:27 AM

So much for Rubioclaiming he wanted to move the GOP away from social values. You're just as bad as Huckabee. At least he's honest that he thinks Jebus made the planet and that's why he should be President. You claim to disavow these people yet ...


Obama essentially said: I don't believe the Earth was created in six days, but some Christians do.
Not the same as asserting that nobody knows how old the Earth is.
 
2012-11-21 10:33:28 AM  

wippit: I hope you're not a teacher for disabled children with that attitude...


I'm not. But bravo on drawing a direct relationship between religious people and disabled children. Even I'm not that cynical.
 
Ant
2012-11-21 10:35:46 AM  

Frederick: Most politicians are intelligent, educated people.


No more intelligent or educated than anyone else.
 
2012-11-21 10:36:55 AM  

SlothB77: Marco Rubio doesn't know the earth is 4.54 billion years old.

That means that Obama is automatically president for life and Marco Rubio becomes the new security manager for the US Embassy in Benghazi.


Man, you are trying SOOOO hard here that it's kind of cute and sad at the same time.
 
2012-11-21 10:37:16 AM  

wippit: Ok... the Bible says the world was created in 6 days. Are these consecutive days? If I start painting my house on Sunday, go to work all week, and then finish the house on Saturday... is that 2 days of painting, or 6 days?

Could God have created the stuff on Day 1, and then, oh... had a nap for 1.2 billion years?


The start of Genesis is not in any way, shape, or form an attempt to describe the beginning of the world. No creation story for any religion/culture is about how the world started. They are all about reinforcing socio-cultural norms. The stories are meant to imply that the rules of society are baked into the very fabric of reality - you must accept how society works in the same way we accept that the laws of physics work. That's why there are two creation stories in Genesis; they came from different time periods and are different because of changing cultural norms - plus, there are at least two other Jewish creation stories that never made the cut. To look at the Genesis account(s) as anything except religious and social allegories is to so miss the point as to bring into question your very ability to find the target, much less take aim at it.

Also, none of this was written by desert wandering sheep-farkers. It is almost assured that the Israelites never went to Egypt, much less returned, and the Abraham cycle is almost certainly complete fantasy. And even if every word of the Biblical accounts on that score were completely true, the stories themselves were written centuries afterward by thoroughly urbanized academics. But, still, the most believable scenario is that everything was written by the equivalent of latte-sipping Manhattanite PhDs, who wrote about their ancestors living in the desert and traveling about in exactly the same way Americans write about the Western frontier (and with about as much factual accuracy). In fact, reading the Genesis account as a description of the beginning of the universe is slightly more retarded than watching the Magnificent Seven as a true account of US history.
 
2012-11-21 10:38:25 AM  

LouDobbsAwaaaay: wippit: I hope you're not a teacher for disabled children with that attitude...

I'm not. But bravo on drawing a direct relationship between religious people and disabled children. Even I'm not that cynical.


I am. I believe in God :)
 
2012-11-21 10:43:15 AM  

wademh: [upload.wikimedia.org image 216x318]
Sometimes I am entertained by people who think highly of humans and expect good things of them.


It may help to understand human affairs to be clear that most of the great triumphs and tragedies of history are caused, not by people being fundamentally good or fundamentally bad, but by people being fundamentally people.
 
2012-11-21 10:49:41 AM  

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Sometimes I am entertained by people who think highly of humans and expect good things of them.

It may help to understand human affairs to be clear that most of the great triumphs and tragedies of history are caused, not by people being fundamentally good or fundamentally bad, but by people being fundamentally people farking assholes.


FTFY
 
2012-11-21 10:56:32 AM  
I want to punch a creationist in the face really hard. Like fracture his orbital socket or nose hard.
 
2012-11-21 11:09:37 AM  
All that stuff I was taught about evolution and embryology and the big bang theory, all that is lies straight from the pit of Hell. And it's lies to try to keep me and all the folks who were taught that from understanding that they need a savior. You see, there are a lot of scientific data that I've found out as a scientist that actually show that this is really a young Earth. I don't believe that the earth's but about 9,000 years old. I believe it was created in six days as we know them. That's what the Bible says.

Farking.
Moron.
 
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