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2012-11-21 12:26:55 AM  
From the reader comments:

Faith Baptist Bible's motto is "thou shall not guard".
 
2012-11-21 12:51:35 AM  
trying to tie a bible verse in with an nba jam "he's on fire!" quip
 
2012-11-21 12:56:41 AM  
I hope you enjoy being the gigantic fish in the minuscule pond, basketball player.
 
2012-11-21 01:35:43 AM  
media.theonion.com
 
2012-11-21 01:38:08 AM  
Who put the Spiffy tag on this abomination? -_o
 
2012-11-21 02:38:34 AM  
FTFA: "Of the 136 field goal attempts Grinnell had in the game, Taylor attempted 108 of them"

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-11-21 05:07:15 AM  
Lol. Another college basketball player who could destroy those NBA thugs who don't pass the ball. It's pretty sad that there are Division III teams that could beat NBA teams, because college basketball players practice their fundamentals and have heart, which is something those NBA thugs don't have.
 
2012-11-21 06:06:45 AM  
I went to Grinnell (class of '07). Nice to see the basketball team on fark.
 
2012-11-21 06:36:35 AM  
He's a chuckah
 
2012-11-21 06:55:15 AM  
I played against Grinnell in football, back in 1970. It was our homecoming (Beloit College). Before the game our cheerleaders were blowing up helium balloons. A Grinnell player and I were talking about it, and I took a "hit" of helium, and we had a good laugh at my Donald Duck. Then, to make matters more funner, when the game started I (a right tackle) found that the Grinnell player was my head-up opponent. All game long I kept trying to imitate my Donald Duck at the start of each play, we were laughing so hard we could hardly hit each other. It was a hoot, until I missed a block on a two point conversion on the last play of the game and we lost 22-21. I was not a particularly good right tackle so they made me a fullback. We sucked bad - the last game I played we lost to Coe 82-0. But it was at least fun to go to a college with good academics.
 
2012-11-21 07:06:16 AM  

Mike_LowELL: Lol. Another college basketball player who could destroy those NBA thugs who don't pass the ball. It's pretty sad that there are Division III teams that could beat NBA teams, because college basketball players practice their fundamentals and have heart, which is something those NBA thugs don't have.


1/10. You really should have pulled up "thugs" in the online thesaurus.
 
2012-11-21 07:10:54 AM  
Here it is of him doing it as a midget....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dmP7p3FAOEQ
 
2012-11-21 07:22:15 AM  
And the Washington Generals have their new starting five!
 
2012-11-21 07:48:42 AM  
chucker
 
2012-11-21 07:50:41 AM  
27 of 71 3-pointers

For perspective, an NBA team will typically shoot about 70-80 shots in a game, and NBA games are longer.
 
2012-11-21 08:07:38 AM  
First thing I thought was "has to be Grinnell". They run an even faster version of the Paul Westhead offense and have broken a bunch of scoring records.
 
2012-11-21 08:08:46 AM  

Principal Clarinet: From the reader comments:

Faith Baptist Bible's motto is "thou shall not guardsteal".


It's right in the ten commandments.
 
2012-11-21 08:11:43 AM  
*checks story*
Not my alma mater.
 
2012-11-21 08:15:22 AM  
Lost in all of this is David Larson of Faith Baptist.

He was 34-44 with 70 points. That is some damn fine shooting.

Box Score
 
2012-11-21 08:15:38 AM  
Back in the day, we would have said that boy was "gunning".

...and that's NOT a good thing.
 
2012-11-21 08:15:42 AM  
Heard him interviewed late last night. He had been in a shooting slump going into the game and the plan from the beginning was to get him the ball. He had 58 at halftime and his coach and teammates told him to keep shooting.
 
2012-11-21 08:19:58 AM  
Box score:

Link

David Larson's line for Faith Baptist is pretty impressive: 34-44, 70 points
 
2012-11-21 08:20:13 AM  

Gunny Highway: Lost in all of this is David Larson of Faith Baptist.

He was 34-44 with 70 points. That is some damn fine shooting.

Box Score


That really sucks to score 70 in a game and not be noticed. And 34-44, that's awesome.
 
2012-11-21 08:21:07 AM  

Gunny Highway: Lost in all of this is David Larson of Faith Baptist.

He was 34-44 with 70 points. That is some damn fine shooting.

Box Score


Shakes tiny fist and goes back to bed
 
2012-11-21 08:21:49 AM  
The fix was definitely in. 2 little schools that wanted some media attention. Not the worst thing in the world, though.
 
2012-11-21 08:23:31 AM  

Gunny Highway: Lost in all of this is David Larson of Faith Baptist.

He was 34-44 with 70 points. That is some damn fine shooting.

Box Score


That's far more impressive.
 
2012-11-21 08:27:26 AM  
The team scored 179 points in 40 minutes and won by 75. Question their strategy if you must, but these are USA Dream Team rout of Nigeria-type numbers.
 
2012-11-21 08:29:37 AM  
The backlash has already started. People calling out the coach, the kid, the university. Saying that it is embarrassing for those who truly "love and honor the game". farking losers.
 
2012-11-21 08:30:01 AM  
So looking at the play by play.... they were up 50 with about 17min left in the game and hadn't yet scored 100 but somehow ended up with 176 as a team.

If this were the NBA I'd say keep pouring it on if you want you are all pros.
But this is DIII, why the bad sportsmanship? Are people in Iowa A-holes?
 
2012-11-21 08:33:18 AM  

SpikeStrip: trying to tie a bible verse in with an nba jam "he's on fire!" quip


He's on Fire and Brimstone?
 
2012-11-21 08:33:37 AM  
Wow, Faith Baptist had 49 turnovers, 29 of them steals. At some point you'd think they'd keep the ball away from those two starters who combined for 31 giveaways.
 
2012-11-21 08:34:13 AM  

Gunny Highway: The backlash has already started. People calling out the coach, the kid, the university. Saying that it is embarrassing for those who truly "love and honor the game". farking losers.


It's embarrassing to have that little respect for your opponent, the shot clock is 35 seconds in college (I think), why keep insanely pressing and running when you are up by so many points? What is the point other than to embarrass your opponent? Again, it's DIII pretty sure none of these kids even get scholarships, they are playing because they love playing basketball.
 
2012-11-21 08:39:53 AM  

ghall3: Gunny Highway: The backlash has already started. People calling out the coach, the kid, the university. Saying that it is embarrassing for those who truly "love and honor the game". farking losers.

It's embarrassing to have that little respect for your opponent, the shot clock is 35 seconds in college (I think), why keep insanely pressing and running when you are up by so many points? What is the point other than to embarrass your opponent? Again, it's DIII pretty sure none of these kids even get scholarships, they are playing because they love playing basketball.


Agree to disagree on the sportsmanship issue and you have no idea why the kids are playing.
 
2012-11-21 08:41:39 AM  
does anyone find it odd that 20 different players got minutes for Grinnell? They don't have 12-man roster limits in D3 or something?
 
2012-11-21 08:48:09 AM  

Gunny Highway: Agree to disagree on the sportsmanship issue


Explain to me how that is not an example of poor sportsmanship? To completely destroy an over-matched opponent like that? Unless there is some history here between the teams...and even then it is probably uncalled for

Gunny Highway: you have no idea why the kids are playing.


It's an educated guess based on my admittedly anecdotal evidence of knowing many D3 athletes, just about every single one of them played their respective sport because they enjoyed it and the competition. Otherwise they wouldn't be playing as their is no reward for it other than their own enjoyment.
 
2012-11-21 08:48:34 AM  

ghall3: Gunny Highway: The backlash has already started. People calling out the coach, the kid, the university. Saying that it is embarrassing for those who truly "love and honor the game". farking losers.

It's embarrassing to have that little respect for your opponent, the shot clock is 35 seconds in college (I think), why keep insanely pressing and running when you are up by so many points? What is the point other than to embarrass your opponent? Again, it's DIII pretty sure none of these kids even get scholarships, they are playing because they love playing basketball.


DIII, no scholarships

I'm surprised a player from Baptist Bible didn't try to break the guy's arm. . .that would have been better sportsmanship than gunning and running up the score.

108 shots in a 40 minute game, which he played 36, or once every 20 seconds.

Olfin Bedwere: David Larson's line for Faith Baptist is pretty impressive: 34-44, 70 points


Dave Larson, who should have broken this douche bag's arm, would scored 167 points if he would have taken as many 2 point shots as douche a'la douche did.
 
2012-11-21 08:49:17 AM  

SlothB77: does anyone find it odd that 20 different players got minutes for Grinnell? They don't have 12-man roster limits in D3 or something?


Not in DIII.
 
2012-11-21 09:00:44 AM  
I love watching the Grinnell system. No defense, jack up a three, line changes instead of substitutions.
 
2012-11-21 09:05:57 AM  

ghall3: Explain to me how that is not an example of poor sportsmanship? To completely destroy an over-matched opponent like that? Unless there is some history here between the teams...and even then it is probably uncalled for


That is their system. Run and gun and fill up the stat sheet. Maybe the coach should have called off the dogs at some point but I wouldnt want to get in the way to a kid playing like that.
 
2012-11-21 09:08:52 AM  
Not trying to sound like a 26 minute gym guy with my comment here (just trying to make a point), but I once scored 41 points in a game. This was a while back and it was in a very competitive park league. One of my opponents of the other team was a 6'3" guard that played D-II ball. I believe I took something like 25 shots or so on that game..

We lost the game 97-83 and I was surprised that I took that many shots. I had to work hard to get that many shots off. It also seemed like I was the only one shooting on my team, since my teammates were constantly looking for me. We still had a teammate that score around 18 or so.

Having said that, I don't know how you can take 108 shots in a game. That's almost 3 shots per minute... and he almost took 2 3-pt shots a minute. Going back to my game, I don't think I would be able to take 40 shots, even if my teammates just wanted me to shoot it every single time.  

/ Going to the gym in 26 minutes to shoot some hoops...
 
2012-11-21 09:09:53 AM  

Gunny Highway: That is their system. Run and gun and fill up the stat sheet. Maybe the coach should have called off the dogs at some point but I wouldnt want to get in the way to a kid playing like that.


I'm fine with their style, if that's how you play that's how you play. Once you have an insurmountable lead though slow it down, there is no excuse not to.

Also, the kid's stats aren't all that impressive in terms of percentages. I mean it is incredible to have the energy to shoot that many times in one game but aside from the stamina he, the coach, and the team just come off like a bunch of A-holes, but that's just me.
 
2012-11-21 09:16:00 AM  

ghall3: Gunny Highway: That is their system. Run and gun and fill up the stat sheet. Maybe the coach should have called off the dogs at some point but I wouldnt want to get in the way to a kid playing like that.

I'm fine with their style, if that's how you play that's how you play. Once you have an insurmountable lead though slow it down, there is no excuse not to.

Also, the kid's stats aren't all that impressive in terms of percentages. I mean it is incredible to have the energy to shoot that many times in one game but aside from the stamina he, the coach, and the team just come off like a bunch of A-holes, but that's just me.


Like I said earlier I think we need to agree to disagree. Dont have an issue with a team beating another team badly.

/Hope I play you in my next game
 
2012-11-21 09:18:21 AM  

Gunny Highway: That is their system. Run and gun and fill up the stat sheet. Maybe the coach should have called off the dogs at some point but I wouldnt want to get in the way to a kid playing like that.


Yeah thats the thing. Allowing him to play through that is probably the only way he can get his player and program attention on a national level. It's the best way to benefit their careers and far outweighs the detrimental risk of injury.

All for run and gun in basketball. Just not in professional sports.

/highschool team made it to states based on the philosophy that we outrun, outmaneuver, and dominate the hustle aspect for loose balls. Great season and made us feel accomplished.
 
2012-11-21 09:21:37 AM  
Who cares about a Div III basketball player, I want to know who the B1G is adding to the conference today.
 
2012-11-21 09:23:29 AM  

hugram: but I once scored 41 points in a game. This was a while back and it was in a very competitive park league.


first, 41 points in your random town's park league does not sound particularly impressive.

second, i think this is more of a CSB than a 26 minutes.
 
2012-11-21 09:24:34 AM  
48% from the field when 71 of your 108 (or whatever it was) reps are from outside the arc is pretty damn good.
 
2012-11-21 09:25:01 AM  
Guy makes 52 FGs and the team has 22 assists.

Guy takes 108 shots and can't squeeze in a single dime.
 
2012-11-21 09:25:08 AM  

thecpt: /highschool team made it to states based on the philosophy that we outrun, outmaneuver, and dominate the hustle aspect for loose balls. Great season and made us feel accomplished.


I have been on the receiving on of assbeating that make the Grinell/Faith Baptist game look tight. I never felt disrespected, never wanted to break anyone's arm, and never felt any ill will towards the guys on the other team.

/I would probably send that kid to the line.
//Lost 84-24 in a tournament
///Followed by a 96-17 loss
//Massachusetts and NY state champs are real good
/We were real bad
 
2012-11-21 09:32:13 AM  

Gunny Highway: Like I said earlier I think we need to agree to disagree. Dont have an issue with a team beating another team badly.


Being beat badly is fine, I'm not trying to make this an "everyone should win" argument. Running up the score as much as possible because you have a huge ego and want to be noticed is not fine though. It's the attention whore, "look at me and how awesome I am as I beat down this clearly inferior opponent!" aspect that I dislike.

For example, in the last 2min of the game, when they were up by 70 they added on another 10points. At that point, why aren't you running down the shot clock each possession so the game ends? Oh right you want attention, that's why.
 
2012-11-21 09:36:00 AM  
I can't fathom a game going at that pace. Not even on the Playstation.
 
2012-11-21 09:36:21 AM  
You don't often shoot 61% as a team and lose by 75, but I guess giving up 49 turnovers and 37 offensive rebounds hurts your chances.

Makes it look like they were pressing the whole game then looking for that one guy to shoot 3s in transition.
 
2012-11-21 09:40:38 AM  

star_topology: I can't fathom a game going at that pace. Not even on the Playstation.


Apparently they full-court pressed the entire game and the kid who got the 138 just sort of stood around waiting for the ball, essentially they played 4 on 5 D, letting either the other team score quickly or force a TO and then they chucked the ball down court to the kid who jacked up a 3.
 
2012-11-21 09:48:51 AM  

ghall3: Oh right you want attention, that's why.


That is probably true and I dont have an issue with it. They are a D-III school and they want the best players they can get. Attention is good. Otherwise they are just smelly liberal arts students living in a boring Iowa town.
 
2012-11-21 09:49:57 AM  
Big deal, Georgia Tech had 126 at halftime:
imageshack.us
 
2012-11-21 09:50:47 AM  

Gunny Highway: That is probably true and I dont have an issue with it. They are a D-III school and they want the best players they can get. Attention is good. Otherwise they are just smelly liberal arts students living in a boring Iowa town.


Fair enough. As you said, we have a fundamentally different view on the interpretation of what happened there.
 
2012-11-21 09:51:20 AM  

ghall3: Gunny Highway: That is probably true and I dont have an issue with it. They are a D-III school and they want the best players they can get. Attention is good. Otherwise they are just smelly liberal arts students living in a boring Iowa town.

Fair enough. As you said, we have a fundamentally different view on the interpretation of what happened there.


Rock and roll.
 
2012-11-21 09:54:40 AM  

Gunny Highway: I have been on the receiving on of assbeating that make the Grinell/Faith Baptist game look tight. I never felt disrespected, never wanted to break anyone's arm, and never felt any ill will towards the guys on the other team.

/I would probably send that kid to the line.
//Lost 84-24 in a tournament
///Followed by a 96-17 loss
//Massachusetts and NY state champs are real good
/We were real bad


Yeah, we never blew anyone out because it was PA highschool with no shot clock. If we had a 15 point lead, we would intentionally put the brakes on and I do mean slam on the brakes. We figured we often outsized people and would just work for a dump pass to a forward. Before we knew it, we had the double bonus, their starters in foul trouble, and only one quarter left.

i hope you enjoyed the game. Losses like that in highschool would've killed me, and my love of basketball.

/our team built ourselves to this after playing together for 10 years.
//the previous 8 years we couldn't even get a winning record
///finished 30-6 my senior year
 
2012-11-21 09:57:22 AM  

bighairyguy: Big deal, Georgia Tech had 126 at halftime:
[imageshack.us image 565x260]


And that was football
 
2012-11-21 09:57:36 AM  
This is completely illegitimate. They approached the game with the goal of letting this guy break the record. They refused to play defense, allowing the other team to quickly score 2 pointers, and then handed this guy the ball literally every play. He attempted over 100 3 pointers in the game, and made about 40% of them.
 
2012-11-21 10:00:32 AM  

Tommy Moo: He attempted over 100 71 3 pointers in the game

 
2012-11-21 10:03:45 AM  

thecpt: i hope you enjoyed the game. Losses like that in highschool would've killed me, and my love of basketball.


I was the worst player on the team. I loved being out there. I was usually guarding someone over a foot taller than I was. It hated losing like that but I always wanted to go to the next practice or games.
 
2012-11-21 10:10:03 AM  
He'll have plenty of time at the end of the season to polish his fantastic scoring stories while skilled basketball programs advance into the tournament.
 
2012-11-21 10:12:25 AM  
His 4 other teammates on the floor: "Dude, we're open too."
 
2012-11-21 10:14:08 AM  
No truth to the rumor that the University of Texas has cancelled its upcoming game with Grinnell.
 
2012-11-21 10:23:26 AM  

Temescal: I hope you enjoy being the gigantic fish in the minuscule pond, basketball player.


He's a 5'10" D3 player, I cannot imagine he is that big a fish.

ghall3: Gunny Highway: Agree to disagree on the sportsmanship issue

Explain to me how that is not an example of poor sportsmanship? To completely destroy an over-matched opponent like that? Unless there is some history here between the teams...and even then it is probably uncalled for

Gunny Highway: you have no idea why the kids are playing.

It's an educated guess based on my admittedly anecdotal evidence of knowing many D3 athletes, just about every single one of them played their respective sport because they enjoyed it and the competition. Otherwise they wouldn't be playing as their is no reward for it other than their own enjoyment.


I am pretty sure the comment below thoroughly explains why this was "allowed" to happen. This isn't football where you can get the ball back after 4 plays or a middle school or high school game or even a powerhouse against a cupcake, if the opposition was trying to prevent this record from happening they could have just held the ball for 25+ seconds and burned down the clock, but they didn't because:

The Muthaship: The fix was definitely in. 2 little schools that wanted some media attention. Not the worst thing in the world, though.

 
2012-11-21 10:23:44 AM  
You don't want the score run up on you?
Stop them.
 
2012-11-21 10:25:12 AM  
I have no problem with them kicking the ever-loving shiate out of a Baptist school
 
2012-11-21 10:36:26 AM  

SlothB77: hugram: but I once scored 41 points in a game. This was a while back and it was in a very competitive park league.

first, 41 points in your random town's park league does not sound particularly impressive.

second, i think this is more of a CSB than a 26 minutes.


Something tells me you don't know a lot about basketball.
 
2012-11-21 10:37:04 AM  
So, while playing a much weaker opponent, the coach held a practice session during the game for his "star" player. Classy. This is the kind of kid that will be picking his teeth up from a bar room floor sometime in the future.
 
2012-11-21 10:40:53 AM  

ghall3: Gunny Highway: The backlash has already started. People calling out the coach, the kid, the university. Saying that it is embarrassing for those who truly "love and honor the game". farking losers.

It's embarrassing to have that little respect for your opponent, the shot clock is 35 seconds in college (I think), why keep insanely pressing and running when you are up by so many points? What is the point other than to embarrass your opponent? Again, it's DIII pretty sure none of these kids even get scholarships, they are playing because they love playing basketball.


This. Unless, as some other posters have suggested, the other team consented to it. The four coaches I've played for would all have a) slowed the game down, b) brought up the issue of sportsmanship with the other coach, and if that failed, then c) sent in a few of the benchwarmers to get "chippy".
 
2012-11-21 10:48:17 AM  

Phelyx: Who cares about a Div III basketball player, I want to know who the B1G is adding to the conference today.


Grinnell.
 
2012-11-21 10:55:12 AM  
I had a buddy who played football for Grinnell from 2007-2010, sounded like a pretty fun place to get into athletics. I probably would have joined the team if I went to a D3 school like that. The bball team is known for this goofy/unusual offense (which others have discussed above) and their MO is shoot 3s and don't play D.

Memorable night for the kid, he got some headlines and the season will move on as usual. I can't argue poor sportsmanship too much b/c Grinnell always does this and they haven't won a national championship yet (although IIRC some conference championships).
 
2012-11-21 10:57:49 AM  
Grinnell College? I didn't knnow hippies played basketball
 
2012-11-21 11:01:03 AM  
We're this far into the thread and nobody has mentioned 258-141?

If I was the other team's coach and I saw this going on, I'd just faceguard and or double team the guy. Nobody scores 130 points unless you let it happen. Even if they scramble, don't play D, and throw it to the guy every time, if you're playing D he's not getting more than 70-75.

I'm sorry, nobody is scoring 130 points against my team. NEVER. I'd double faceguard the guy before I'd let him shoot 108 times.
 
2012-11-21 11:02:27 AM  

jj325: Grinnell College? I didn't knnow hippies played basketball


WHAT'S THAT SMELL? IT'S GRINNELL!
 
2012-11-21 11:03:03 AM  

Boxingoutsider: I'm sorry, nobody is scoring 130 points against my team. NEVER. I'd double faceguard the guy before I'd let him shoot 108 times.


Seriously. Make someone else knock down a shot.
 
2012-11-21 11:16:09 AM  

AliceBToklasLives: Phelyx: Who cares about a Div III basketball player, I want to know who the B1G is adding to the conference today.

Grinnell.


They would be destroyed simply because the B1G has defense
 
2012-11-21 11:29:54 AM  

ghall3: But this is DIII, why the bad sportsmanship? Are people in Iowa A-holes?


Let me put it this way. Do you think Faith Baptist normally scores 100+ points in a game? They had a guy who scored 70. I bet that's more than they've scored as a team in any of their last ten games.

Grinnell basically doesn't play defense. (Most of those 70 points were probably uncontested layups.) As ridiculous as it sounds in a game with a 75-point margin, it wouldn't have been in the bag until well into the second half. They cough up 30- and 40-point leads all the time.

And even then, if you suddenly switch to playing normal-ball, that's even more unsportsmanlike. "Oh, I'm sorry, I accidentally destroyed you in record-breaking fashion with a kind of basketball your puny mind can't even comprehend. Allow me to condescend to you by suddenly playing the game you would have been prepared for."
 
2012-11-21 11:33:14 AM  
Still two points short of my all-time high on Kobe Courtside...

/Regieeeeeeeeee Mmmmiller
 
2012-11-21 11:44:36 AM  
Who's this chucker?

i.cdn.turner.com
 
2012-11-21 11:51:10 AM  

FLMountainMan: The four coaches I've played for would all have a) slowed the game down,


You kind of have to see a Grinnell game to understand. How do you "slow down" an offense that inbounds with 80-foot baseball passes, and then immediately wings the ball in the general direction of the hoop as though the clock was about to expire? This guy took a shot every 20 seconds.

Now, you can absolutely DEFEAT that offense. You can block those inbounds, you can foul out your entire team so that they can't get off those 3-pointers, you can run up the score on them at the foul line, etc. etc. They have to score 2.1 points per possession (because they're damn sure going to cough up 2 to you) or they lose by humiliating margins. It's doable. They win more than they lose most years, but it's not like this is some unfair voodoo magick, especially since they've been running it for years now. 

Also, it's worth saying, I've never heard any of their actual opponents or opposing coaches call them out for bad sportsmanship. They are regarded as extremely annoying to play against, because they completely fark up your rhythm, but not bad sports.
 
2012-11-21 11:58:36 AM  
The worst part of the night for the other team was him yelling "KOBE!" after every shot.
 
2012-11-21 11:59:07 AM  

semiotix: You kind of have to see a Grinnell game to understand. How do you "slow down" an offense that inbounds with 80-foot baseball passes, and then immediately wings the ball in the general direction of the hoop as though the clock was about to expire? This guy took a shot every 20 seconds.


He took a shot every 20 seconds... Even if Grinnell gets a shot off within 5 seconds every time, the other team's possessions are still averaging 15 seconds to make it work. The other team can slow the pace down too. It just sounds like the other team couldn't beat the press and ended way too many possessions with quick turnovers.
 
2012-11-21 12:17:14 PM  
Why didn't anyone on the other team poke him in the eye or drop an elbow on his rosie white cheeks?


/Basketball Fundamentals
 
2012-11-21 12:20:57 PM  

semiotix:
Also, it's worth saying, I've never heard any of their actual opponents or opposing coaches call them out for bad sportsmanship. They are regarded as extremely annoying to play against, because they completely fark up your rhythm, but not bad sports.


In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.

Now, if this was against a rival or a conference opponent, I've got no problem, run it up. But Faith Baptist isn't even an NCAA school, they're an NCCAA School (National Christian College Athletic Association). Not only that, but they're NCCAA Division II, unable to run with the big guns like Shorter University, Mount Vernon Nazarene, and Bob Jones University. They're a seminary with 330 students. What's the point? It'd be like Duke going out to play, well, Grinnell. I'd be more embarrased that my team gave up 104 points to some DXII school that was 0-7 and averaging 60 points per game.
 
2012-11-21 12:26:30 PM  
Deadspin is denouncing the record. I am even more comfortable with my stance now. How I loathe Deadspin.
 
2012-11-21 12:39:20 PM  

you have pee hands: Even if Grinnell gets a shot off within 5 seconds every time, the other team's possessions are still averaging 15 seconds to make it work.


Yeah, you can slow it down on your end (I don't think they usually try to foul) but that's not exactly advantageous. There's a ten-second clock to get the ball across the half-court line, and they have four players aggressively defending the backcourt. So that's ten seconds at most. Once you get past the half-court line, you've got a 4- or 5-to-1 matchup on the one guy they've got loitering in the vicinity of the basket. His job is not to defend you in any serious fashion, but just to be ready to inbound the ball once you take your free layup. And there's no real point to delaying your free layup.

I realize I sound like a huge Grinnell fanboy, but what makes this so much fun is that it's NOT infallible, any more than the West Coast offense in football, or putting the shift on in baseball. It just can't be beaten by doing the usual, obvious things. Any halfway decent team that's remotely in their league physically (and these are not exactly huge guys) can beat them, IF AND ONLY IF they can adapt. But it's kind of amazing how resistant teams are to trying.
 
2012-11-21 12:42:32 PM  
Paul Westhead would like at least a mention.....
 
2012-11-21 12:46:58 PM  

rugman11: In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.


If that part is true, then okay, it's questionable at the very least. I guess any individual scoring record involves some of that--Wilt Chamberlin got 100 points because that was the plan from the start--but it certainly brings it within the realm of debate.

I don't think they ALWAYS do complete line changes, but it's true that one player taking 80% of their shots is very weird for them.
 
2012-11-21 12:57:59 PM  
Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:
 
2012-11-21 12:58:27 PM  
Cool, I guess. Chaminade had the more impressive sub-Division I feat this week though.
 
2012-11-21 12:59:41 PM  
How is it a NCAA record if the contest wasn't NCAA sanctioned? It was an exhibition game
 
2012-11-21 01:01:27 PM  
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Bored hippie is bored.

PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:


fark Deadspin.
 
2012-11-21 01:03:08 PM  

PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:


They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.
 
2012-11-21 01:04:33 PM  

The Muthaship: PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:

They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.


I have no problem with Grinnell's style. I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.
 
2012-11-21 01:07:08 PM  

PowerSlacker: The Muthaship: PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:

They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.

I have no problem with Grinnell's style. I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.


Who takes any of these record seriously?
 
2012-11-21 01:07:38 PM  

PowerSlacker: I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.


I'll leave that up to the NCAA. They never make bad decisions.
 
2012-11-21 01:10:42 PM  

Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: The Muthaship: PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:

They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.

I have no problem with Grinnell's style. I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.

Who takes any of these record seriously?


We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.
 
2012-11-21 01:15:22 PM  

Gunny Highway: I have been on the receiving on of assbeating that make the Grinell/Faith Baptist game look tight. I never felt disrespected, never wanted to break anyone's arm, and never felt any ill will towards the guys on the other team.


If someone's up that much and is trying to press and steal, there's no question they're getting fouled HARD until they feel like stopping. You want to run it up, fine, run it up. But you're going to run it up on the free throw line and you're going to run it up through some pain. You don't respect the sportsmanship of not running the score up, I don't feel bad about ignoring sportsmanship of not intentionally fouling you.

I've only had to hard foul people intentionally a couple times; once because of an incident like this (Marine Corps rec league, the team we were facing had scored 80 on everyone else all season and they only had 72 against us with 30 seconds left, so they were pressing and getting layups despite being up about 30 - my only regret is that I didn't foul harder), once because the dumbass ref didn't call my teammate's intentional foul to get the clock stopped at the end of a close game. Then I got an extra T for yelling at the ref "If you called the first one, I wouldn't have had to foul him that hard."

Basically, you can tell who played pickup ball/street ball and who played indoor ball protected by refs - try styling on people over and over in street ball and you're getting your ass KTFO.

/f*ck playing with refs
//also, f*ck whiny b*tches who pretend pickup games are NBA games and any contact of them is a foul

rugman11: In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.


This. It's not a problem to score that much, per se, but it is when you're doing it outside of the system in order to inflate someone's stats.

/damn Christian schools frowning on hard fouls
 
2012-11-21 01:20:51 PM  

PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.


Other point - if he's cherrypicking, why the hell doesn't the other team just have someone hang back on D?

/and no, keeping a cherrypicker down at one end is not basketball. Neither is Hack-a-Shaq type bullsh*t.
 
2012-11-21 01:28:30 PM  

IAmRight: PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.

Other point - if he's cherrypicking, why the hell doesn't the other team just have someone hang back on D?

/and no, keeping a cherrypicker down at one end is not basketball. Neither is Hack-a-Shaq type bullsh*t.


I guess Faith Baptist decided to turn both cheeks...and drop the soap.

Like you, I would have been fouling the shiat out of Taylor about three minutes into the game.
 
2012-11-21 01:29:47 PM  

PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.


The highlights on ESPN shows him knocking down three pointers left and right on people's faces. Catch and shoot, dribble and shoot, etc. and also going to the paint and pulling up for short jump shots, etc.

Give credit where credit is due... 138 points is 138 points. The kid has a nice jump shot. 

/ He might be a bench warmer at a D-I school but still, 138 pts in a D-III game is very impressive... in fact, it is a record...
 
2012-11-21 01:42:40 PM  

hugram: 138 pts in a D-III game is very impressive... in fact, it is a record...


It's a game - too bad it wasn't a basketball game. Or of any sport, really.
 
2012-11-21 01:42:49 PM  

semiotix: I realize I sound like a huge Grinnell fanboy, but what makes this so much fun is that it's NOT infallible, any more than the West Coast offense in football, or putting the shift on in baseball. It just can't be beaten by doing the usual, obvious things. Any halfway decent team that's remotely in their league physically (and these are not exactly huge guys) can beat them, IF AND ONLY IF they can adapt. But it's kind of amazing how resistant teams are to trying.


It sounds like the best way to beat it is with PGs good enough to beat the press reasonably consistently (since you're going to shoot a very high percentage once you do) and a couple guys athletic enough to make full court passes dicey and/or box out for defensive rebounds. That's not exactly rocket science, but if you're Faith Baptist Bible College you might not have those guys on your roster. Is he beating teams with more talent, or does he just have a sure-fire way to beat teams with inferior athletes?
 
2012-11-21 01:45:40 PM  

hugram: PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.

The highlights on ESPN shows him knocking down three pointers left and right on people's faces. Catch and shoot, dribble and shoot, etc. and also going to the paint and pulling up for short jump shots, etc.

Give credit where credit is due... 138 points is 138 points. The kid has a nice jump shot. 

/ He might be a bench warmer at a D-I school but still, 138 pts in a D-III game is very impressive... in fact, it is a record...


He did it against a NCCAA D-II team. I didn't even know the NCCAA existed until today.
 
2012-11-21 01:49:42 PM  
I honestly don't think I could even keep shooting if my team had that big of a lead and I had that many points. Well, I know I wouldn't keep shooting. But I'm not sure I'd want teammates that were eager to score like that.

There's really nothing fun about racking up a ton of points on someone who can't stop you (unless they were talking a LOT of sh*t).
 
2012-11-21 01:52:44 PM  
I saw that last year the team had a kid score 89 or something. Pattern douchiness.
 
2012-11-21 01:55:23 PM  

IAmRight: There's really nothing fun about racking up a ton of points on someone who can't stop you (unless they were talking a LOT of sh*t).


Faith Baptist Bible College. You know they made Grinnell sit through a prayer service before and after, prostheletyzed from the block during free throws, had their wives and kids in the stands, etc. If I had been on Grinnell's team, I would have been missing my second FTA when I had two shots in hopes of kicking it out to Taylor for trey.

WWJD? He'd zone press, and run the 4 corners on offense next year.
 
2012-11-21 02:25:15 PM  

FLMountainMan: SlothB77: hugram: but I once scored 41 points in a game. This was a while back and it was in a very competitive park league.

first, 41 points in your random town's park league does not sound particularly impressive.

second, i think this is more of a CSB than a 26 minutes.

Something tells me you don't know a lot about basketball.


This happens all the time. The talent disparity between players in these leagues can be significant. I am sure those 41 points weren't in a 40-minute game either, but probably a shorter game.
 
2012-11-21 02:32:42 PM  
He is averaging 62 PPG through three games now.
 
2012-11-21 02:35:44 PM  

you have pee hands: Is he beating teams with more talent, or does he just have a sure-fire way to beat teams with inferior athletes?


That's a fair question, although there's nothing wrong with increasing your win percentage against inferior opponents.

I'm guessing, just from looking at the before-and-after stats and a few sports-magazine articles on the team, that they probably win different games than they otherwise would, en route to winning at least somewhat more games than they otherwise would.

What I mean is, a team at a given point in the standings might lose a few games to teams that finished just below it, and win a few from teams that finished just above it. Real upsets are rare by definition. I suspect Grinnell loses to some considerably inferior teams but steals even more wins from some fundamentally better teams. That's just a guess--maybe a Grinnell math major could run the numbers.
 
2012-11-21 04:08:26 PM  

koreanbobcat: I went to Grinnell (class of '07). Nice to see the basketball team on fark.


Given the way that they play basketball, where else would you find them?
 
2012-11-21 04:08:31 PM  
if this dude is so damn great at basketball then why does he play for Grinnell (whoever the fark that is)??
 
2012-11-21 04:13:37 PM  

The Muthaship: WWJD? He'd zone press, and run the 4 corners on offense next year.


Comment of the thread.
 
2012-11-21 04:22:21 PM  
This is why college sports are a joke.
 
2012-11-21 05:05:19 PM  
Grinnell class of '95 so I'm getting a kick...
 
2012-11-21 05:43:16 PM  
ESPN televised a Grinnell game about six or so years ago. The TV timeouts completely ruined Grinnell's game.
 
2012-11-21 06:20:34 PM  

Mike_LowELL: Lol. Another college basketball player who could destroy those NBA thugs who don't pass the ball. It's pretty sad that there are Division III teams that could beat NBA teams, because college basketball players practice their fundamentals and have heart, which is something those NBA thugs don't have.


I'm late here but I'm assuming you've got a stringer full with this one; well crafted +1!
 
2012-11-21 06:22:06 PM  
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come at me binch!


/hotter than a pistol
 
2012-11-21 07:22:02 PM  
so this kid scored 138 points. the team only had 22 assists. he shot the ball 108 times from the field, 7 out of 10 from the free throw line.


he averaged 2.7 attempts per minute. that is just stupid.
 
2012-11-21 07:23:35 PM  
Correction. he played 36 minutes. he averaged 3 shot attempts per minute.
 
2012-11-21 07:24:47 PM  

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so this kid scored 138 points. the team only had 22 assists. he shot the ball 108 times from the field, 7 out of 10 from the free throw line.


he averaged 2.7 attempts per minute. that is just stupid.


I just read the Deadspin article about it. The record, the coach and that team is a disgrace.
 
2012-11-21 08:18:25 PM  

carnifex2005: What_Would_Jimi_Do: so this kid scored 138 points. the team only had 22 assists. he shot the ball 108 times from the field, 7 out of 10 from the free throw line.


he averaged 2.7 attempts per minute. that is just stupid.

I just read the Deadspin article about it. The record, the coach and that team is a disgrace.


Should a record count against a non-NCAA team? Probably not. That's a valid point.

Should we hate on Grinnell for running up the score? Maybe. That's certainly a debatable issue.

Should we hate on Grinnell because of some complaint about HOW they play? No. That's stupid. If their strategy didn't work, they'd lose games. They went 18-5 last year. Apparently this system works okay.

There are reasons that this record is silly, most obviously the opponent. "Wah, I don't like the way they play!" or "One player took too many shots!" aren't good reasons.
 
2012-11-21 08:54:52 PM  

beerrun: You don't want the score run up on you?
Stop them.


That doesn't apply here. They were obviously incapable of stopping them. They were doing Grinnell a favor by playing them in the first place. I would think that you could give a team a break. This isn't the pros. If it was Lebron against the Celtics I'd 100% agree with you.

/I want the Celtics to win every game.
 
2012-11-22 01:02:47 AM  

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: I have been on the receiving on of assbeating that make the Grinell/Faith Baptist game look tight. I never felt disrespected, never wanted to break anyone's arm, and never felt any ill will towards the guys on the other team.

If someone's up that much and is trying to press and steal, there's no question they're getting fouled HARD until they feel like stopping. You want to run it up, fine, run it up. But you're going to run it up on the free throw line and you're going to run it up through some pain. You don't respect the sportsmanship of not running the score up, I don't feel bad about ignoring sportsmanship of not intentionally fouling you.

I've only had to hard foul people intentionally a couple times; once because of an incident like this (Marine Corps rec league, the team we were facing had scored 80 on everyone else all season and they only had 72 against us with 30 seconds left, so they were pressing and getting layups despite being up about 30 - my only regret is that I didn't foul harder), once because the dumbass ref didn't call my teammate's intentional foul to get the clock stopped at the end of a close game. Then I got an extra T for yelling at the ref "If you called the first one, I wouldn't have had to foul him that hard."

Basically, you can tell who played pickup ball/street ball and who played indoor ball protected by refs - try styling on people over and over in street ball and you're getting your ass KTFO.

/f*ck playing with refs
//also, f*ck whiny b*tches who pretend pickup games are NBA games and any contact of them is a foul

rugman11: In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.

This. It's not a problem to score that much, per se, but it is when you're doing it outside of the system in order to inflate someone's stats.

/damn Christian schools frowning on hard fouls


You spelled "Core" wrong
 
2012-11-22 12:06:04 PM  

Krustofsky: Gunny Highway: Lost in all of this is David Larson of Faith Baptist.

He was 34-44 with 70 points. That is some damn fine shooting.

Box Score

That really sucks to score 70 in a game and not be noticed. And 34-44, that's awesome.


In Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game three Knicks scored over 30 points.
 
2012-11-22 04:11:27 PM  

Dafatone: There are reasons that this record is silly, most obviously the opponent. "Wah, I don't like the way they play!" or "One player took too many shots!" aren't good reasons.


Well, if you're a fan of the actual sport, then yeah, it is a good reason. It's a stupid reason to criticize this over any other scoring record, pretty much all of which were set with the idea that they get one guy a ton of points. But yeah, having a permanent offensive player is not basketball. Don't be asses and make basketball install some type of off-sides rule like every other sport with continuous flowing play.

/but really, someone on the other team should just stay back down there and play 1 on 1 while letting it be 4 on 4 on the other end.
//or just Bruce Bowen him if he wants to keep shooting threes
 
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