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2012-11-21 01:28:30 PM

IAmRight: PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.

Other point - if he's cherrypicking, why the hell doesn't the other team just have someone hang back on D?

/and no, keeping a cherrypicker down at one end is not basketball. Neither is Hack-a-Shaq type bullsh*t.


I guess Faith Baptist decided to turn both cheeks...and drop the soap.

Like you, I would have been fouling the shiat out of Taylor about three minutes into the game.
 
2012-11-21 01:29:47 PM

PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.


The highlights on ESPN shows him knocking down three pointers left and right on people's faces. Catch and shoot, dribble and shoot, etc. and also going to the paint and pulling up for short jump shots, etc.

Give credit where credit is due... 138 points is 138 points. The kid has a nice jump shot. 

/ He might be a bench warmer at a D-I school but still, 138 pts in a D-III game is very impressive... in fact, it is a record...
 
2012-11-21 01:42:40 PM

hugram: 138 pts in a D-III game is very impressive... in fact, it is a record...


It's a game - too bad it wasn't a basketball game. Or of any sport, really.
 
2012-11-21 01:42:49 PM

semiotix: I realize I sound like a huge Grinnell fanboy, but what makes this so much fun is that it's NOT infallible, any more than the West Coast offense in football, or putting the shift on in baseball. It just can't be beaten by doing the usual, obvious things. Any halfway decent team that's remotely in their league physically (and these are not exactly huge guys) can beat them, IF AND ONLY IF they can adapt. But it's kind of amazing how resistant teams are to trying.


It sounds like the best way to beat it is with PGs good enough to beat the press reasonably consistently (since you're going to shoot a very high percentage once you do) and a couple guys athletic enough to make full court passes dicey and/or box out for defensive rebounds. That's not exactly rocket science, but if you're Faith Baptist Bible College you might not have those guys on your roster. Is he beating teams with more talent, or does he just have a sure-fire way to beat teams with inferior athletes?
 
2012-11-21 01:45:40 PM

hugram: PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.

The highlights on ESPN shows him knocking down three pointers left and right on people's faces. Catch and shoot, dribble and shoot, etc. and also going to the paint and pulling up for short jump shots, etc.

Give credit where credit is due... 138 points is 138 points. The kid has a nice jump shot. 

/ He might be a bench warmer at a D-I school but still, 138 pts in a D-III game is very impressive... in fact, it is a record...


He did it against a NCCAA D-II team. I didn't even know the NCCAA existed until today.
 
2012-11-21 01:49:42 PM
I honestly don't think I could even keep shooting if my team had that big of a lead and I had that many points. Well, I know I wouldn't keep shooting. But I'm not sure I'd want teammates that were eager to score like that.

There's really nothing fun about racking up a ton of points on someone who can't stop you (unless they were talking a LOT of sh*t).
 
2012-11-21 01:52:44 PM
I saw that last year the team had a kid score 89 or something. Pattern douchiness.
 
2012-11-21 01:55:23 PM

IAmRight: There's really nothing fun about racking up a ton of points on someone who can't stop you (unless they were talking a LOT of sh*t).


Faith Baptist Bible College. You know they made Grinnell sit through a prayer service before and after, prostheletyzed from the block during free throws, had their wives and kids in the stands, etc. If I had been on Grinnell's team, I would have been missing my second FTA when I had two shots in hopes of kicking it out to Taylor for trey.

WWJD? He'd zone press, and run the 4 corners on offense next year.
 
2012-11-21 02:25:15 PM

FLMountainMan: SlothB77: hugram: but I once scored 41 points in a game. This was a while back and it was in a very competitive park league.

first, 41 points in your random town's park league does not sound particularly impressive.

second, i think this is more of a CSB than a 26 minutes.

Something tells me you don't know a lot about basketball.


This happens all the time. The talent disparity between players in these leagues can be significant. I am sure those 41 points weren't in a 40-minute game either, but probably a shorter game.
 
2012-11-21 02:32:42 PM
He is averaging 62 PPG through three games now.
 
2012-11-21 02:35:44 PM

you have pee hands: Is he beating teams with more talent, or does he just have a sure-fire way to beat teams with inferior athletes?


That's a fair question, although there's nothing wrong with increasing your win percentage against inferior opponents.

I'm guessing, just from looking at the before-and-after stats and a few sports-magazine articles on the team, that they probably win different games than they otherwise would, en route to winning at least somewhat more games than they otherwise would.

What I mean is, a team at a given point in the standings might lose a few games to teams that finished just below it, and win a few from teams that finished just above it. Real upsets are rare by definition. I suspect Grinnell loses to some considerably inferior teams but steals even more wins from some fundamentally better teams. That's just a guess--maybe a Grinnell math major could run the numbers.
 
2012-11-21 04:08:26 PM

koreanbobcat: I went to Grinnell (class of '07). Nice to see the basketball team on fark.


Given the way that they play basketball, where else would you find them?
 
2012-11-21 04:08:31 PM
if this dude is so damn great at basketball then why does he play for Grinnell (whoever the fark that is)??
 
2012-11-21 04:13:37 PM

The Muthaship: WWJD? He'd zone press, and run the 4 corners on offense next year.


Comment of the thread.
 
2012-11-21 04:22:21 PM
This is why college sports are a joke.
 
2012-11-21 05:05:19 PM
Grinnell class of '95 so I'm getting a kick...
 
2012-11-21 05:43:16 PM
ESPN televised a Grinnell game about six or so years ago. The TV timeouts completely ruined Grinnell's game.
 
2012-11-21 06:20:34 PM

Mike_LowELL: Lol. Another college basketball player who could destroy those NBA thugs who don't pass the ball. It's pretty sad that there are Division III teams that could beat NBA teams, because college basketball players practice their fundamentals and have heart, which is something those NBA thugs don't have.


I'm late here but I'm assuming you've got a stringer full with this one; well crafted +1!
 
2012-11-21 06:22:06 PM
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come at me binch!


/hotter than a pistol
 
2012-11-21 07:22:02 PM
so this kid scored 138 points. the team only had 22 assists. he shot the ball 108 times from the field, 7 out of 10 from the free throw line.


he averaged 2.7 attempts per minute. that is just stupid.
 
2012-11-21 07:23:35 PM
Correction. he played 36 minutes. he averaged 3 shot attempts per minute.
 
2012-11-21 07:24:47 PM

What_Would_Jimi_Do: so this kid scored 138 points. the team only had 22 assists. he shot the ball 108 times from the field, 7 out of 10 from the free throw line.


he averaged 2.7 attempts per minute. that is just stupid.


I just read the Deadspin article about it. The record, the coach and that team is a disgrace.
 
2012-11-21 08:18:25 PM

carnifex2005: What_Would_Jimi_Do: so this kid scored 138 points. the team only had 22 assists. he shot the ball 108 times from the field, 7 out of 10 from the free throw line.


he averaged 2.7 attempts per minute. that is just stupid.

I just read the Deadspin article about it. The record, the coach and that team is a disgrace.


Should a record count against a non-NCAA team? Probably not. That's a valid point.

Should we hate on Grinnell for running up the score? Maybe. That's certainly a debatable issue.

Should we hate on Grinnell because of some complaint about HOW they play? No. That's stupid. If their strategy didn't work, they'd lose games. They went 18-5 last year. Apparently this system works okay.

There are reasons that this record is silly, most obviously the opponent. "Wah, I don't like the way they play!" or "One player took too many shots!" aren't good reasons.
 
2012-11-21 08:54:52 PM

beerrun: You don't want the score run up on you?
Stop them.


That doesn't apply here. They were obviously incapable of stopping them. They were doing Grinnell a favor by playing them in the first place. I would think that you could give a team a break. This isn't the pros. If it was Lebron against the Celtics I'd 100% agree with you.

/I want the Celtics to win every game.
 
2012-11-22 01:02:47 AM

IAmRight: Gunny Highway: I have been on the receiving on of assbeating that make the Grinell/Faith Baptist game look tight. I never felt disrespected, never wanted to break anyone's arm, and never felt any ill will towards the guys on the other team.

If someone's up that much and is trying to press and steal, there's no question they're getting fouled HARD until they feel like stopping. You want to run it up, fine, run it up. But you're going to run it up on the free throw line and you're going to run it up through some pain. You don't respect the sportsmanship of not running the score up, I don't feel bad about ignoring sportsmanship of not intentionally fouling you.

I've only had to hard foul people intentionally a couple times; once because of an incident like this (Marine Corps rec league, the team we were facing had scored 80 on everyone else all season and they only had 72 against us with 30 seconds left, so they were pressing and getting layups despite being up about 30 - my only regret is that I didn't foul harder), once because the dumbass ref didn't call my teammate's intentional foul to get the clock stopped at the end of a close game. Then I got an extra T for yelling at the ref "If you called the first one, I wouldn't have had to foul him that hard."

Basically, you can tell who played pickup ball/street ball and who played indoor ball protected by refs - try styling on people over and over in street ball and you're getting your ass KTFO.

/f*ck playing with refs
//also, f*ck whiny b*tches who pretend pickup games are NBA games and any contact of them is a foul

rugman11: In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.

This. It's not a problem to score that much, per se, but it is when you're doing it outside of the system in order to inflate someone's stats.

/damn Christian schools frowning on hard fouls


You spelled "Core" wrong
 
2012-11-22 12:06:04 PM

Krustofsky: Gunny Highway: Lost in all of this is David Larson of Faith Baptist.

He was 34-44 with 70 points. That is some damn fine shooting.

Box Score

That really sucks to score 70 in a game and not be noticed. And 34-44, that's awesome.


In Wilt Chamberlain's 100 point game three Knicks scored over 30 points.
 
2012-11-22 04:11:27 PM

Dafatone: There are reasons that this record is silly, most obviously the opponent. "Wah, I don't like the way they play!" or "One player took too many shots!" aren't good reasons.


Well, if you're a fan of the actual sport, then yeah, it is a good reason. It's a stupid reason to criticize this over any other scoring record, pretty much all of which were set with the idea that they get one guy a ton of points. But yeah, having a permanent offensive player is not basketball. Don't be asses and make basketball install some type of off-sides rule like every other sport with continuous flowing play.

/but really, someone on the other team should just stay back down there and play 1 on 1 while letting it be 4 on 4 on the other end.
//or just Bruce Bowen him if he wants to keep shooting threes
 
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