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2012-11-21 09:36:21 AM
You don't often shoot 61% as a team and lose by 75, but I guess giving up 49 turnovers and 37 offensive rebounds hurts your chances.

Makes it look like they were pressing the whole game then looking for that one guy to shoot 3s in transition.
 
2012-11-21 09:40:38 AM

star_topology: I can't fathom a game going at that pace. Not even on the Playstation.


Apparently they full-court pressed the entire game and the kid who got the 138 just sort of stood around waiting for the ball, essentially they played 4 on 5 D, letting either the other team score quickly or force a TO and then they chucked the ball down court to the kid who jacked up a 3.
 
2012-11-21 09:48:51 AM

ghall3: Oh right you want attention, that's why.


That is probably true and I dont have an issue with it. They are a D-III school and they want the best players they can get. Attention is good. Otherwise they are just smelly liberal arts students living in a boring Iowa town.
 
2012-11-21 09:49:57 AM
Big deal, Georgia Tech had 126 at halftime:
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2012-11-21 09:50:47 AM

Gunny Highway: That is probably true and I dont have an issue with it. They are a D-III school and they want the best players they can get. Attention is good. Otherwise they are just smelly liberal arts students living in a boring Iowa town.


Fair enough. As you said, we have a fundamentally different view on the interpretation of what happened there.
 
2012-11-21 09:51:20 AM

ghall3: Gunny Highway: That is probably true and I dont have an issue with it. They are a D-III school and they want the best players they can get. Attention is good. Otherwise they are just smelly liberal arts students living in a boring Iowa town.

Fair enough. As you said, we have a fundamentally different view on the interpretation of what happened there.


Rock and roll.
 
2012-11-21 09:54:40 AM

Gunny Highway: I have been on the receiving on of assbeating that make the Grinell/Faith Baptist game look tight. I never felt disrespected, never wanted to break anyone's arm, and never felt any ill will towards the guys on the other team.

/I would probably send that kid to the line.
//Lost 84-24 in a tournament
///Followed by a 96-17 loss
//Massachusetts and NY state champs are real good
/We were real bad


Yeah, we never blew anyone out because it was PA highschool with no shot clock. If we had a 15 point lead, we would intentionally put the brakes on and I do mean slam on the brakes. We figured we often outsized people and would just work for a dump pass to a forward. Before we knew it, we had the double bonus, their starters in foul trouble, and only one quarter left.

i hope you enjoyed the game. Losses like that in highschool would've killed me, and my love of basketball.

/our team built ourselves to this after playing together for 10 years.
//the previous 8 years we couldn't even get a winning record
///finished 30-6 my senior year
 
2012-11-21 09:57:22 AM

bighairyguy: Big deal, Georgia Tech had 126 at halftime:
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And that was football
 
2012-11-21 09:57:36 AM
This is completely illegitimate. They approached the game with the goal of letting this guy break the record. They refused to play defense, allowing the other team to quickly score 2 pointers, and then handed this guy the ball literally every play. He attempted over 100 3 pointers in the game, and made about 40% of them.
 
2012-11-21 10:00:32 AM

Tommy Moo: He attempted over 100 71 3 pointers in the game

 
2012-11-21 10:03:45 AM

thecpt: i hope you enjoyed the game. Losses like that in highschool would've killed me, and my love of basketball.


I was the worst player on the team. I loved being out there. I was usually guarding someone over a foot taller than I was. It hated losing like that but I always wanted to go to the next practice or games.
 
2012-11-21 10:10:03 AM
He'll have plenty of time at the end of the season to polish his fantastic scoring stories while skilled basketball programs advance into the tournament.
 
2012-11-21 10:12:25 AM
His 4 other teammates on the floor: "Dude, we're open too."
 
2012-11-21 10:14:08 AM
No truth to the rumor that the University of Texas has cancelled its upcoming game with Grinnell.
 
2012-11-21 10:23:26 AM

Temescal: I hope you enjoy being the gigantic fish in the minuscule pond, basketball player.


He's a 5'10" D3 player, I cannot imagine he is that big a fish.

ghall3: Gunny Highway: Agree to disagree on the sportsmanship issue

Explain to me how that is not an example of poor sportsmanship? To completely destroy an over-matched opponent like that? Unless there is some history here between the teams...and even then it is probably uncalled for

Gunny Highway: you have no idea why the kids are playing.

It's an educated guess based on my admittedly anecdotal evidence of knowing many D3 athletes, just about every single one of them played their respective sport because they enjoyed it and the competition. Otherwise they wouldn't be playing as their is no reward for it other than their own enjoyment.


I am pretty sure the comment below thoroughly explains why this was "allowed" to happen. This isn't football where you can get the ball back after 4 plays or a middle school or high school game or even a powerhouse against a cupcake, if the opposition was trying to prevent this record from happening they could have just held the ball for 25+ seconds and burned down the clock, but they didn't because:

The Muthaship: The fix was definitely in. 2 little schools that wanted some media attention. Not the worst thing in the world, though.

 
2012-11-21 10:23:44 AM
You don't want the score run up on you?
Stop them.
 
2012-11-21 10:25:12 AM
I have no problem with them kicking the ever-loving shiate out of a Baptist school
 
2012-11-21 10:36:26 AM

SlothB77: hugram: but I once scored 41 points in a game. This was a while back and it was in a very competitive park league.

first, 41 points in your random town's park league does not sound particularly impressive.

second, i think this is more of a CSB than a 26 minutes.


Something tells me you don't know a lot about basketball.
 
2012-11-21 10:37:04 AM
So, while playing a much weaker opponent, the coach held a practice session during the game for his "star" player. Classy. This is the kind of kid that will be picking his teeth up from a bar room floor sometime in the future.
 
2012-11-21 10:40:53 AM

ghall3: Gunny Highway: The backlash has already started. People calling out the coach, the kid, the university. Saying that it is embarrassing for those who truly "love and honor the game". farking losers.

It's embarrassing to have that little respect for your opponent, the shot clock is 35 seconds in college (I think), why keep insanely pressing and running when you are up by so many points? What is the point other than to embarrass your opponent? Again, it's DIII pretty sure none of these kids even get scholarships, they are playing because they love playing basketball.


This. Unless, as some other posters have suggested, the other team consented to it. The four coaches I've played for would all have a) slowed the game down, b) brought up the issue of sportsmanship with the other coach, and if that failed, then c) sent in a few of the benchwarmers to get "chippy".
 
2012-11-21 10:48:17 AM

Phelyx: Who cares about a Div III basketball player, I want to know who the B1G is adding to the conference today.


Grinnell.
 
2012-11-21 10:55:12 AM
I had a buddy who played football for Grinnell from 2007-2010, sounded like a pretty fun place to get into athletics. I probably would have joined the team if I went to a D3 school like that. The bball team is known for this goofy/unusual offense (which others have discussed above) and their MO is shoot 3s and don't play D.

Memorable night for the kid, he got some headlines and the season will move on as usual. I can't argue poor sportsmanship too much b/c Grinnell always does this and they haven't won a national championship yet (although IIRC some conference championships).
 
2012-11-21 10:57:49 AM
Grinnell College? I didn't knnow hippies played basketball
 
2012-11-21 11:01:03 AM
We're this far into the thread and nobody has mentioned 258-141?

If I was the other team's coach and I saw this going on, I'd just faceguard and or double team the guy. Nobody scores 130 points unless you let it happen. Even if they scramble, don't play D, and throw it to the guy every time, if you're playing D he's not getting more than 70-75.

I'm sorry, nobody is scoring 130 points against my team. NEVER. I'd double faceguard the guy before I'd let him shoot 108 times.
 
2012-11-21 11:02:27 AM

jj325: Grinnell College? I didn't knnow hippies played basketball


WHAT'S THAT SMELL? IT'S GRINNELL!
 
2012-11-21 11:03:03 AM

Boxingoutsider: I'm sorry, nobody is scoring 130 points against my team. NEVER. I'd double faceguard the guy before I'd let him shoot 108 times.


Seriously. Make someone else knock down a shot.
 
2012-11-21 11:16:09 AM

AliceBToklasLives: Phelyx: Who cares about a Div III basketball player, I want to know who the B1G is adding to the conference today.

Grinnell.


They would be destroyed simply because the B1G has defense
 
2012-11-21 11:29:54 AM

ghall3: But this is DIII, why the bad sportsmanship? Are people in Iowa A-holes?


Let me put it this way. Do you think Faith Baptist normally scores 100+ points in a game? They had a guy who scored 70. I bet that's more than they've scored as a team in any of their last ten games.

Grinnell basically doesn't play defense. (Most of those 70 points were probably uncontested layups.) As ridiculous as it sounds in a game with a 75-point margin, it wouldn't have been in the bag until well into the second half. They cough up 30- and 40-point leads all the time.

And even then, if you suddenly switch to playing normal-ball, that's even more unsportsmanlike. "Oh, I'm sorry, I accidentally destroyed you in record-breaking fashion with a kind of basketball your puny mind can't even comprehend. Allow me to condescend to you by suddenly playing the game you would have been prepared for."
 
2012-11-21 11:33:14 AM
Still two points short of my all-time high on Kobe Courtside...

/Regieeeeeeeeee Mmmmiller
 
2012-11-21 11:44:36 AM
Who's this chucker?

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2012-11-21 11:51:10 AM

FLMountainMan: The four coaches I've played for would all have a) slowed the game down,


You kind of have to see a Grinnell game to understand. How do you "slow down" an offense that inbounds with 80-foot baseball passes, and then immediately wings the ball in the general direction of the hoop as though the clock was about to expire? This guy took a shot every 20 seconds.

Now, you can absolutely DEFEAT that offense. You can block those inbounds, you can foul out your entire team so that they can't get off those 3-pointers, you can run up the score on them at the foul line, etc. etc. They have to score 2.1 points per possession (because they're damn sure going to cough up 2 to you) or they lose by humiliating margins. It's doable. They win more than they lose most years, but it's not like this is some unfair voodoo magick, especially since they've been running it for years now. 

Also, it's worth saying, I've never heard any of their actual opponents or opposing coaches call them out for bad sportsmanship. They are regarded as extremely annoying to play against, because they completely fark up your rhythm, but not bad sports.
 
2012-11-21 11:58:36 AM
The worst part of the night for the other team was him yelling "KOBE!" after every shot.
 
2012-11-21 11:59:07 AM

semiotix: You kind of have to see a Grinnell game to understand. How do you "slow down" an offense that inbounds with 80-foot baseball passes, and then immediately wings the ball in the general direction of the hoop as though the clock was about to expire? This guy took a shot every 20 seconds.


He took a shot every 20 seconds... Even if Grinnell gets a shot off within 5 seconds every time, the other team's possessions are still averaging 15 seconds to make it work. The other team can slow the pace down too. It just sounds like the other team couldn't beat the press and ended way too many possessions with quick turnovers.
 
2012-11-21 12:17:14 PM
Why didn't anyone on the other team poke him in the eye or drop an elbow on his rosie white cheeks?


/Basketball Fundamentals
 
2012-11-21 12:20:57 PM

semiotix:
Also, it's worth saying, I've never heard any of their actual opponents or opposing coaches call them out for bad sportsmanship. They are regarded as extremely annoying to play against, because they completely fark up your rhythm, but not bad sports.


In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.

Now, if this was against a rival or a conference opponent, I've got no problem, run it up. But Faith Baptist isn't even an NCAA school, they're an NCCAA School (National Christian College Athletic Association). Not only that, but they're NCCAA Division II, unable to run with the big guns like Shorter University, Mount Vernon Nazarene, and Bob Jones University. They're a seminary with 330 students. What's the point? It'd be like Duke going out to play, well, Grinnell. I'd be more embarrased that my team gave up 104 points to some DXII school that was 0-7 and averaging 60 points per game.
 
2012-11-21 12:26:30 PM
Deadspin is denouncing the record. I am even more comfortable with my stance now. How I loathe Deadspin.
 
2012-11-21 12:39:20 PM

you have pee hands: Even if Grinnell gets a shot off within 5 seconds every time, the other team's possessions are still averaging 15 seconds to make it work.


Yeah, you can slow it down on your end (I don't think they usually try to foul) but that's not exactly advantageous. There's a ten-second clock to get the ball across the half-court line, and they have four players aggressively defending the backcourt. So that's ten seconds at most. Once you get past the half-court line, you've got a 4- or 5-to-1 matchup on the one guy they've got loitering in the vicinity of the basket. His job is not to defend you in any serious fashion, but just to be ready to inbound the ball once you take your free layup. And there's no real point to delaying your free layup.

I realize I sound like a huge Grinnell fanboy, but what makes this so much fun is that it's NOT infallible, any more than the West Coast offense in football, or putting the shift on in baseball. It just can't be beaten by doing the usual, obvious things. Any halfway decent team that's remotely in their league physically (and these are not exactly huge guys) can beat them, IF AND ONLY IF they can adapt. But it's kind of amazing how resistant teams are to trying.
 
2012-11-21 12:42:32 PM
Paul Westhead would like at least a mention.....
 
2012-11-21 12:46:58 PM

rugman11: In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.


If that part is true, then okay, it's questionable at the very least. I guess any individual scoring record involves some of that--Wilt Chamberlin got 100 points because that was the plan from the start--but it certainly brings it within the realm of debate.

I don't think they ALWAYS do complete line changes, but it's true that one player taking 80% of their shots is very weird for them.
 
2012-11-21 12:57:59 PM
Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:
 
2012-11-21 12:58:27 PM
Cool, I guess. Chaminade had the more impressive sub-Division I feat this week though.
 
2012-11-21 12:59:41 PM
How is it a NCAA record if the contest wasn't NCAA sanctioned? It was an exhibition game
 
2012-11-21 01:01:27 PM
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Bored hippie is bored.

PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:


fark Deadspin.
 
2012-11-21 01:03:08 PM

PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:


They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.
 
2012-11-21 01:04:33 PM

The Muthaship: PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:

They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.


I have no problem with Grinnell's style. I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.
 
2012-11-21 01:07:08 PM

PowerSlacker: The Muthaship: PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:

They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.

I have no problem with Grinnell's style. I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.


Who takes any of these record seriously?
 
2012-11-21 01:07:38 PM

PowerSlacker: I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.


I'll leave that up to the NCAA. They never make bad decisions.
 
2012-11-21 01:10:42 PM

Gunny Highway: PowerSlacker: The Muthaship: PowerSlacker: Deadspin did an awesome job of exposing this sham of a record:

They did an excellent job of sounding like whiny b*tches, which is no surprise as that's what they are.

Grinnell doesn't play the way we think they should! Don't like them! Jesus, what a biatch Barry Petchesky is....

They came up with a way to play that has been successful for them. It's not totally original, but it is innovative. I'd like to be on that team, even if I wasn't getting 80% of the reps.

I have no problem with Grinnell's style. I have a problem with them counting stats against a NCCAA team as legitimate.

Who takes any of these record seriously?


We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.
 
2012-11-21 01:15:22 PM

Gunny Highway: I have been on the receiving on of assbeating that make the Grinell/Faith Baptist game look tight. I never felt disrespected, never wanted to break anyone's arm, and never felt any ill will towards the guys on the other team.


If someone's up that much and is trying to press and steal, there's no question they're getting fouled HARD until they feel like stopping. You want to run it up, fine, run it up. But you're going to run it up on the free throw line and you're going to run it up through some pain. You don't respect the sportsmanship of not running the score up, I don't feel bad about ignoring sportsmanship of not intentionally fouling you.

I've only had to hard foul people intentionally a couple times; once because of an incident like this (Marine Corps rec league, the team we were facing had scored 80 on everyone else all season and they only had 72 against us with 30 seconds left, so they were pressing and getting layups despite being up about 30 - my only regret is that I didn't foul harder), once because the dumbass ref didn't call my teammate's intentional foul to get the clock stopped at the end of a close game. Then I got an extra T for yelling at the ref "If you called the first one, I wouldn't have had to foul him that hard."

Basically, you can tell who played pickup ball/street ball and who played indoor ball protected by refs - try styling on people over and over in street ball and you're getting your ass KTFO.

/f*ck playing with refs
//also, f*ck whiny b*tches who pretend pickup games are NBA games and any contact of them is a foul

rugman11: In this case, I'm willing to call bad sportsmanship because they were explicitly playing outside of their system. "The system" calls for all the players to be subbed out every time there's a whistle. Their top player last year averaged less than 21 min/game and they had 12 players average at least 10 min/game. Instead, in this game, they left one guy out there for 36 minutes, taking most of their shots, specifically so he could set the record.


This. It's not a problem to score that much, per se, but it is when you're doing it outside of the system in order to inflate someone's stats.

/damn Christian schools frowning on hard fouls
 
2012-11-21 01:20:51 PM

PowerSlacker: We're in a dumb Fark thread talking about it and the guy got a whole lot of free publicity for being the best cherrypicker in the history of basketball.


Other point - if he's cherrypicking, why the hell doesn't the other team just have someone hang back on D?

/and no, keeping a cherrypicker down at one end is not basketball. Neither is Hack-a-Shaq type bullsh*t.
 
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