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(Salon)   The Complete Idiot's Guide to Wal-Mart's Black Friday Showdown, which pits low-wage workers against greedy management and owners   (salon.com) divider line 34
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2012-11-20 10:34:44 PM  
5 votes:
someone please tell me what Fox News thinks I should think so I can have an independent opinion on this
2012-11-20 10:51:38 PM  
4 votes:

Coelacanth: The average minimum wage in Australia/Europe/Japan is $16.50.


The best minds in America have assured me that a minimum wage that high will result in the total collapse of everything. TOP men, I'm talking about.
2012-11-20 10:35:27 PM  
4 votes:
Go greedy management! Squeeze those workers! They thought they could just fark around in high school and get away with it? Hah.
2012-11-20 10:50:36 PM  
3 votes:

gopher321: Should start taking bets on how many get trampled/pepper-sprayed in what cities.


upload.wikimedia.org
Pepper spray? What sort of pansy is running this company?
2012-11-20 10:10:31 PM  
3 votes:
I, for one, welcome our new underpaid Walmart worker overlords.
2012-11-22 12:25:41 AM  
1 votes:

IlGreven: There are starving children in Africa that would eat that crap! You better eat it or go hungry!


I suggested that my mom send my Brussels Sprouts to the starving kids in Africa once. She was not amused.
2012-11-21 10:24:09 AM  
1 votes:

Linux_Yes: they call it Freedom/Liberty.


I can drop a deuce on a loaf of pumpernickel and call it "haute cuisine", but that don't mean it ain't a sh*t sandwich.
2012-11-21 10:10:39 AM  
1 votes:

Lsherm: drewsclues: Best advice: Don't shop on Thanksgiving.

Amen to this. Actually, don't shop on Black Friday, either.




Black Friday is the best time for Anthropoligists to study the American in their natural habitat.

much useful data can be obtained in a relatively short period of time.
2012-11-21 09:57:00 AM  
1 votes:

Linux_Yes: MaoMart: We exploit cheap communist chinese labor so you don't have to!


I think the problem right now is the way they are exploiting cheap American labor.
2012-11-21 09:11:54 AM  
1 votes:

CPennypacker: I don't see how someone who is free market could be against unions. Unions are the ultimate expression of market theory applied to labor.


It's the whole "applied to labor" part
2012-11-21 06:16:18 AM  
1 votes:

I sound fat: And speaking of that, have you people ever WORKED for a mom and pop retailer? They normally pay worse than walmart, certainly dont have benefits, and cost society money on purchases.

lets not talk about advancement opportunities....

/but hey, lets protect mom and pop from big evil walmart that saves everyone money that they are able to spend -- get this -- IN THE COMMUNITY on other things.


I've worked in a couple of different fields for small business owners. I got paid well, I enjoyed my bosses, and I actually felt like my health and well being mattered. Show me a WalMart manager who invites employees to their house for Christmas, hell show me a WalMart that has a Christmas party where the employees not only get dinner and drink but presents form their bosses, and not only that, but presents that actually take the recipient into consideration. My bosses knew me, they cared about me and treated me(And other employees) like family.

Yeah, you get that with WalMart all right...
2012-11-21 06:13:17 AM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: base pay at Walmart's Sam's Place stores can be as low as $8 an hour, with wage increases in increments as low as 20 or 40 cents per hour.

To put it another way, the raises are between 2.5% and 5%, in line with most other industries.


Wow. I just had to reply to this to say what an asshole you are. And you certainly don't represent the average American guy, you blatant troll.

/you got me.
2012-11-21 04:12:36 AM  
1 votes:

ladyfortuna: I'm always intrigued by these threads where people claim retail workers have no skills. I'd like to see those same people face down two thousand+ annoyed shoppers over the course of a 10+ hour day and somehow manage to a. help them, and b. not punch them all in the face. That takes something called self control.

Also while not 'major skills', counting/handling money (gasp), understanding stock procedures, understanding and regurgitating store policies to clueless shoppers, product knowledge (especially in electronics and other high tech industries), teamwork, customer service, and to some extent security, are all skills one picks up working long term in retail. A lot of people I've worked with in regular offices would be completely lost in a retail setting.

/six years retail
//not one customer complaint
///switching to IT because I dislike people in general


Most of my life I've worked retail and I've hired plenty of college graduates who couldn't handle the job. Long hours on hard floors, working past closing for last minute customers who may not spend a dime but just want to look around, and if your management you might as well give up your life. 95-100 hour work weeks during Christmas, someone on vacation.

this is a great comic about working retail and his book nails a lot of it on the money

Link
2012-11-21 01:02:45 AM  
1 votes:

sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Yeah because those workers had no idea what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE CONTRACT as they were hired by WalMart. I feel so terrible for those poor, duped bastards that wanted nothing more than 20 dollars an hour for doing a job that is worth around 6 dollars an hour. Seriously, my heart is bleeding for the people who got employed, signed a contract that clearly states what the expectations of the job were, and decided to fark off in school instead of actually trying to learn something.

Somewhere a fiddle is playing....

So what happens when Walmart breaks their end of this grand ole bargain? Tough shiat, they're the employee?

Show one instance where they have done that, just one. You won't find it because it never happened!

One instance ever? Well that was easy.
Where in the contract does it say he won't be hit by a cart? I was speaking of the contract! Try again.


Really, it was my fault for thinking you'd take this seriously.
2012-11-21 12:51:58 AM  
1 votes:

Ambivalence: peeledpeas: I'm so tired of Walmart workers crying and whining about low wages. If you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more to do it. IMO, none of the workers at my local Wally World are worth a squat. They know nothing. They push buttons and stack stuff. Big effing deal. No one is forced to work at Walmart. We really don't need the ability to make a "living wage" at an extremely low skilled job. If Americans get any dumber, there won't be an America for much longer.

and this, dear friends, is a prime example of America getting dumber.

Thank you for that wonderful demonstration and an insight into the mind of a callus little prick.


We should bring back the draft. Make all able-bodied young adults work at Wal-Mart for 6 months. Then at least people who look down on others would know what they're talking about.
2012-11-21 12:31:17 AM  
1 votes:

Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Yeah because those workers had no idea what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE CONTRACT as they were hired by WalMart. I feel so terrible for those poor, duped bastards that wanted nothing more than 20 dollars an hour for doing a job that is worth around 6 dollars an hour. Seriously, my heart is bleeding for the people who got employed, signed a contract that clearly states what the expectations of the job were, and decided to fark off in school instead of actually trying to learn something.

Somewhere a fiddle is playing....

So what happens when Walmart breaks their end of this grand ole bargain? Tough shiat, they're the employee?

Show one instance where they have done that, just one. You won't find it because it never happened!

One instance ever? Well that was easy.


You know what? Have fun.
2012-11-21 12:29:23 AM  
1 votes:

sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Yeah because those workers had no idea what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE CONTRACT as they were hired by WalMart. I feel so terrible for those poor, duped bastards that wanted nothing more than 20 dollars an hour for doing a job that is worth around 6 dollars an hour. Seriously, my heart is bleeding for the people who got employed, signed a contract that clearly states what the expectations of the job were, and decided to fark off in school instead of actually trying to learn something.

Somewhere a fiddle is playing....

So what happens when Walmart breaks their end of this grand ole bargain? Tough shiat, they're the employee?

Show one instance where they have done that, just one. You won't find it because it never happened!


One instance ever? Well that was easy.
2012-11-21 12:27:02 AM  
1 votes:
If you worked as hard at learning a skill as you do demanding more stuff just because, you might be better off.
2012-11-21 12:04:44 AM  
1 votes:
I'm always intrigued by these threads where people claim retail workers have no skills. I'd like to see those same people face down two thousand+ annoyed shoppers over the course of a 10+ hour day and somehow manage to a. help them, and b. not punch them all in the face. That takes something called self control.

Also while not 'major skills', counting/handling money (gasp), understanding stock procedures, understanding and regurgitating store policies to clueless shoppers, product knowledge (especially in electronics and other high tech industries), teamwork, customer service, and to some extent security, are all skills one picks up working long term in retail. A lot of people I've worked with in regular offices would be completely lost in a retail setting.

/six years retail
//not one customer complaint
///switching to IT because I dislike people in general
2012-11-20 11:38:36 PM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Are we taking Black Friday bets?
Put me down for
6 tramplings
2 deaths
3 stabbins
10 punchins


That version of The Twelve Days of Christmas is all messed up.
2012-11-20 11:30:56 PM  
1 votes:

KarmicDisaster: Are we taking Black Friday bets?
Put me down for
6 tramplings
2 deaths
3 stabbins
10 punchins


And a partridge in a pear tree!
2012-11-20 11:21:59 PM  
1 votes:
Since this is a somewhat liberal site, I'm sure to get flamed by this, but anyway....

People who work for Walmart, Target, or any other RETAIL store....well, suck it up!
You are working a RETAIL store! If people didn't come into those stores on Thanksgiving,
or 4am on black Friday, you would be able to stay home. The fault isn't the retailer, it
is the lazy a&& consumer who wants (or thinks they will get) a bargain.
If they didn't show up, the store wouldn't be open!
Also, yes, the economy is (if you live in real-ville) DOWN THE TOILET, so that might be
the reason you are working a low wage or minimum wage job. Now, if you are the countless
drones that are working low/minimum wage jobs, and you are at least in your 20's, you have
to stop and have someone toss a bucket of ice water in your face. Why? Because you
need to evaluate your life. How did you screw up your life, that you are only QUALIFIED to
be a minimum wage employee with little or NO skills in anything other than "do you want
fries with that". As the judge in Caddyshack said "the world needs ditch diggers".
When you were in high school, I'll just bet you were uber cool, skipping school, getting high
daily, girls falling all over you, getting kicked out of school for fighting....yeah, how cool are
you now? The rest of us, STUDIED, went to college (I paid my own way), and got a good
job, that allows us the freedom of having nights, holidays & weekends off!
So, suck it up, and take it in the butt....you have no one to complain to, but yourself!
2012-11-20 11:07:57 PM  
1 votes:
Japan and Australia are commie poofs who did not start illegal wars like real men do.

Real men spend money on finding non-existent weapons of mass destruction. Not on that fairy minimum wage.
2012-11-20 10:49:20 PM  
1 votes:

LemSkroob: good, good. I love war.

/May both sides lose.


So you are against corporations AND labor. You just want to watch the world burn don't you?
2012-11-20 10:44:29 PM  
1 votes:

sgnilward: This thread is going to suck.


You're goddam right.

Hickory-smoked: Best advice: Shop local.


Best advice: Don't shop on Thanksgiving.
2012-11-20 10:43:07 PM  
1 votes:

AverageAmericanGuy: base pay at Walmart's Sam's Place stores can be as low as $8 an hour, with wage increases in increments as low as 20 or 40 cents per hour.

To put it another way, the raises are between 2.5% and 5%, in line with most other industries.


but, but, but that's not FAIR! Sure, I have no skills and can only stack boxes on a shelf - but I'm ENTITLED to have a 65" TV, a new car, a large house, every available cable channel, and a cell phone for my 6 year old. I DEMAND you pay me more!!!
2012-11-20 10:41:15 PM  
1 votes:
FTA,
a Demos study that says that raising the salary of all full-time workers at large retailers to $25,000 per year would lift more than 700,000 people out of poverty, at a cost of only a 1 percent price increase for customers.

Instead of adding the price increase to the customers, why not take it out of the Walton family pay packet. You know who, those five of the top 10 richest Americans.
2012-11-20 10:39:45 PM  
1 votes:
This thread is going to suck.
2012-11-20 10:37:43 PM  
1 votes:
I make it a tradition to get rip-roaring drunk after Thanksgiving and therefore remove all potential that I will be doing any Black Friday shopping.
2012-11-20 10:37:17 PM  
1 votes:
I was told they're striking because they just don't want to work holidays.

/I know it's because they want to form a union without Walmart quashing them
2012-11-20 10:37:14 PM  
1 votes:
It is another Union trying to bleed poor unskilled workers of their union dues. Ask the Hostess how much their union has done for them.
2012-11-20 10:36:39 PM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: AverageAmericanGuy: base pay at Walmart's Sam's Place stores can be as low as $8 an hour, with wage increases in increments as low as 20 or 40 cents per hour.

To put it another way, the raises are between 2.5% and 5%, in line with most other industries.

Which I'm sure is a delight to the people at WalMart working poverty-level wages with no insurance coverage & forced and unpaid overtime. But hey, 5% of almost nothing!


Dont worry obamacare will save them!
2012-11-20 10:35:21 PM  
1 votes:

JosephFinn: AverageAmericanGuy: base pay at Walmart's Sam's Place stores can be as low as $8 an hour, with wage increases in increments as low as 20 or 40 cents per hour.

To put it another way, the raises are between 2.5% and 5%, in line with most other industries.

Which I'm sure is a delight to the people at WalMart working poverty-level wages with no insurance coverage & forced and unpaid overtime. But hey, 5% of almost nothing!


Beggars can't be choosers.
2012-11-20 10:12:52 PM  
1 votes:
Should start taking bets on how many get trampled/pepper-sprayed in what cities.
 
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