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2012-11-21 12:33:52 AM

Propain_az: buzzcut73: PanicMan:
Here's the story of one supplier who said no to Walmart. It "only" cost him 20% of his business.

"every year the price has come down. Every year the content of the product has gone up... at the price I'm selling to you today, I'm not making any money on it. And if we do what you want next year, I'll lose money."

I've read that story a few times. Now that I have a house with a yard, I'm going to buy a Snapper.

I wish I could buy a snapper. Instead, I married one. What the fark was I thinking!


Uh... you weren't?
 
2012-11-21 12:36:01 AM

rikkitikkitavi: If I'm a Walton, I don't give two farks what you think about me. Serious.


Nor would I expect them to. But they shouldn't be surprised when the war of the classes target them as public enemy #1. To the Progressives, they are the poster children for why inheritance taxes should have more teeth.
 
2012-11-21 12:38:36 AM

Summoner101: Propain_az: buzzcut73: PanicMan:
Here's the story of one supplier who said no to Walmart. It "only" cost him 20% of his business.

"every year the price has come down. Every year the content of the product has gone up... at the price I'm selling to you today, I'm not making any money on it. And if we do what you want next year, I'll lose money."

I've read that story a few times. Now that I have a house with a yard, I'm going to buy a Snapper.

I wish I could buy a snapper. Instead, I married one. What the fark was I thinking!

Uh... you weren't?


Deep. Very deep.
 
2012-11-21 12:39:46 AM

Dinjiin: superdude72: They're not going to hoard it in an account in the Cayman Islands, where it does nothing to boost the economy.

The rate of savings and investment for people at or below the median income is close to zero. As soon as a dollar comes in, it goes out. If they have any equity, it is in a home they reside in.

It takes money to make money. Usually, you park it in investments for decades and allow it to grow. You have to have spare income to do that, which means you're talking middle class and above. The higher you go, the more money you see diverted to investments, and the more it grows.

At some point, your investments return more money than you can reasonably spend before you die. These are the people who are supposed to seed trickle-down economics. But how can it trickle down if it is locked for decades? And if the kids have any smarts, they'll take that inheritance and lock it away in investments as well.

I'd bet that if Wal-Mart bumped their starting FTE salary to $25K and made most employees full-time, you'd see an immediate benefit to the economy, especially in economically depressed areas where Wal-Mart stores are more common.


fark that! The whole point is to destroy shiat. Get with the program!
 
2012-11-21 12:41:22 AM

Dinjiin: rikkitikkitavi: If I'm a Walton, I don't give two farks what you think about me. Serious.

Nor would I expect them to. But they shouldn't be surprised when the war of the classes target them as public enemy #1. To the Progressives, they are the poster children for why inheritance taxes should have more teeth.


I'm generally not in favor of taxing the same money twice, or thrice. It was taxed when it was earned. And any earnings on that invested income has been taxed. Simply changing hands, from one generation to the next shouldn't be taxable. At all. Period. If Bank of America taxed you a percentage just to move your money or hold onto it and not spend it, then you'd be biatching up a storm. What makes you think the government gets that right to tax money that's already been taxed?
 
2012-11-21 12:42:30 AM

rikkitikkitavi: Dinjiin: rikkitikkitavi: If I'm a Walton, I don't give two farks what you think about me. Serious.

Nor would I expect them to. But they shouldn't be surprised when the war of the classes target them as public enemy #1. To the Progressives, they are the poster children for why inheritance taxes should have more teeth.

I'm generally not in favor of taxing the same money twice, or thrice. It was taxed when it was earned. And any earnings on that invested income has been taxed. Simply changing hands, from one generation to the next shouldn't be taxable. At all. Period. If Bank of America taxed you a percentage just to move your money or hold onto it and not spend it, then you'd be biatching up a storm. What makes you think the government gets that right to tax money that's already been taxed?


Why do you hate black people?
 
2012-11-21 12:42:30 AM
I'm so tired of Walmart workers crying and whining about low wages. If you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more to do it. IMO, none of the workers at my local Wally World are worth a squat. They know nothing. They push buttons and stack stuff. Big effing deal. No one is forced to work at Walmart. We really don't need the ability to make a "living wage" at an extremely low skilled job. If Americans get any dumber, there won't be an America for much longer.
 
2012-11-21 12:43:21 AM
Store management is pretty low paid too. It's like the lower-middle vs. the working class.
 
2012-11-21 12:43:44 AM

peeledpeas: I'm so tired of Walmart workers crying and whining about low wages. If you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more to do it. IMO, none of the workers at my local Wally World are worth a squat. They know nothing. They push buttons and stack stuff. Big effing deal. No one is forced to work at Walmart. We really don't need the ability to make a "living wage" at an extremely low skilled job. If Americans get any dumber, there won't be an America for much longer.


fark YOU! You racist sonofabiatch!
 
2012-11-21 12:44:33 AM

Propain_az:

Why do you hate black people?


wait... wha?
 
2012-11-21 12:45:29 AM

Propain_az: Summoner101: Propain_az: buzzcut73: PanicMan:
Here's the story of one supplier who said no to Walmart. It "only" cost him 20% of his business.

"every year the price has come down. Every year the content of the product has gone up... at the price I'm selling to you today, I'm not making any money on it. And if we do what you want next year, I'll lose money."

I've read that story a few times. Now that I have a house with a yard, I'm going to buy a Snapper.

I wish I could buy a snapper. Instead, I married one. What the fark was I thinking!

Uh... you weren't?

Deep. Very deep.


That's what she said!

NOT!
 
2012-11-21 12:47:26 AM

rikkitikkitavi: I'm generally not in favor of taxing the same money twice, or thrice. It was taxed when it was earned. And any earnings on that invested income has been taxed. Simply changing hands, from one generation to the next shouldn't be taxable. At all. Period. If Bank of America taxed you a percentage just to move your money or hold onto it and not spend it, then you'd be biatching up a storm. What makes you think the government gets that right to tax money that's already been taxed?


There is no way your supposed scenario wouldn't end with an entrenched and decadent aristocracy thrown down violently by angry peasants.
The government has the right to tax money as it pleases because it's the entire reason the money exists as a vehicle for trade.
 
2012-11-21 12:47:56 AM

Summoner101: Propain_az: Summoner101: Propain_az: buzzcut73: PanicMan:
Here's the story of one supplier who said no to Walmart. It "only" cost him 20% of his business.

"every year the price has come down. Every year the content of the product has gone up... at the price I'm selling to you today, I'm not making any money on it. And if we do what you want next year, I'll lose money."

I've read that story a few times. Now that I have a house with a yard, I'm going to buy a Snapper.

I wish I could buy a snapper. Instead, I married one. What the fark was I thinking!

Uh... you weren't?

Deep. Very deep.

That's what she said!

NOT!


oh snap. You've exposed my small penis to the world.

www.reddit.com/r/tinydick
 
2012-11-21 12:48:28 AM

peeledpeas: I'm so tired of Walmart workers crying and whining about low wages. If you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more to do it. IMO, none of the workers at my local Wally World are worth a squat. They know nothing. They push buttons and stack stuff. Big effing deal. No one is forced to work at Walmart. We really don't need the ability to make a "living wage" at an extremely low skilled job. If Americans get any dumber, there won't be an America for much longer.


and this, dear friends, is a prime example of America getting dumber.

Thank you for that wonderful demonstration and an insight into the mind of a callus little prick.
 
2012-11-21 12:48:38 AM

rikkitikkitavi: Dinjiin: rikkitikkitavi: If I'm a Walton, I don't give two farks what you think about me. Serious.

Nor would I expect them to. But they shouldn't be surprised when the war of the classes target them as public enemy #1. To the Progressives, they are the poster children for why inheritance taxes should have more teeth.

I'm generally not in favor of taxing the same money twice, or thrice. It was taxed when it was earned. And any earnings on that invested income has been taxed. Simply changing hands, from one generation to the next shouldn't be taxable. At all. Period. If Bank of America taxed you a percentage just to move your money or hold onto it and not spend it, then you'd be biatching up a storm. What makes you think the government gets that right to tax money that's already been taxed?


Considering inheritance would be considered a gift, any inheritance above 13,000 dollars would be taxable.

/Really, any time money changes hands, it's taxed if it meets a certain threshold. This isn't new.
 
2012-11-21 12:50:12 AM

Dinjiin: I'd bet that if Wal-Mart bumped their starting FTE salary to $25K and made most employees full-time, you'd see an immediate benefit to the economy, especially in economically depressed areas where Wal-Mart stores are more common.


I don't think investors like it when you do things that reduce profit.
 
2012-11-21 12:50:38 AM

rikkitikkitavi: Dinjiin: rikkitikkitavi: If I'm a Walton, I don't give two farks what you think about me. Serious.

Nor would I expect them to. But they shouldn't be surprised when the war of the classes target them as public enemy #1. To the Progressives, they are the poster children for why inheritance taxes should have more teeth.

I'm generally not in favor of taxing the same money twice, or thrice. It was taxed when it was earned. And any earnings on that invested income has been taxed. Simply changing hands, from one generation to the next shouldn't be taxable. At all. Period. If Bank of America taxed you a percentage just to move your money or hold onto it and not spend it, then you'd be biatching up a storm. What makes you think the government gets that right to tax money that's already been taxed?


You might want to take a gander at what those well known Commie Founders of this nation thought of the estate tax, as well as that pesky Ebbil Socialist Adam Smith:

"A power to dispose of estates for ever is manifestly absurd. The earth and the fullness of it belongs to every generation, and the preceding one can have no right to bind it up from posterity. Such extension of property is quite unnatural."
 
2012-11-21 12:51:58 AM

Ambivalence: peeledpeas: I'm so tired of Walmart workers crying and whining about low wages. If you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more to do it. IMO, none of the workers at my local Wally World are worth a squat. They know nothing. They push buttons and stack stuff. Big effing deal. No one is forced to work at Walmart. We really don't need the ability to make a "living wage" at an extremely low skilled job. If Americans get any dumber, there won't be an America for much longer.

and this, dear friends, is a prime example of America getting dumber.

Thank you for that wonderful demonstration and an insight into the mind of a callus little prick.


We should bring back the draft. Make all able-bodied young adults work at Wal-Mart for 6 months. Then at least people who look down on others would know what they're talking about.
 
2012-11-21 12:53:19 AM

rikkitikkitavi: Dinjiin: rikkitikkitavi: If I'm a Walton, I don't give two farks what you think about me. Serious.

Nor would I expect them to. But they shouldn't be surprised when the war of the classes target them as public enemy #1. To the Progressives, they are the poster children for why inheritance taxes should have more teeth.

I'm generally not in favor of taxing the same money twice, or thrice. It was taxed when it was earned. And any earnings on that invested income has been taxed. Simply changing hands, from one generation to the next shouldn't be taxable. At all. Period. If Bank of America taxed you a percentage just to move your money or hold onto it and not spend it, then you'd be biatching up a storm. What makes you think the government gets that right to tax money that's already been taxed?


This is why I don't use Bank of America. Similarly, no one is subjecting fortunes not made in the United States by non-US-citizens to be doubly taxed either. You can renounce your citizenship, make your fortune in Mexico, and not have to deal with Uncle Sam STEALING the money your children inherit.

It might be a bit more difficult without infrastructure to move your products, with officials you need to bribe, an illiterate labor force, and Zetas extorting you for protection. But what better way to show what a Randian Superhero you are than by doing things the hard way.
 
2012-11-21 12:59:14 AM

Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Yeah because those workers had no idea what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE CONTRACT as they were hired by WalMart. I feel so terrible for those poor, duped bastards that wanted nothing more than 20 dollars an hour for doing a job that is worth around 6 dollars an hour. Seriously, my heart is bleeding for the people who got employed, signed a contract that clearly states what the expectations of the job were, and decided to fark off in school instead of actually trying to learn something.

Somewhere a fiddle is playing....

So what happens when Walmart breaks their end of this grand ole bargain? Tough shiat, they're the employee?

Show one instance where they have done that, just one. You won't find it because it never happened!

One instance ever? Well that was easy.

Where in the contract does it say he won't be hit by a cart? I was speaking of the contract! Try again.
 
2012-11-21 01:00:50 AM
Think about it this way, libs: Walmart is effectively paying more per worker, but the government is taking the increase and redistributing it to the workers in the form of poorly managed health care... In 2014... So why aren't these people out of poverty now that they have thousands in free health care covered by Uncle Sam?
 
2012-11-21 01:02:45 AM

sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Yeah because those workers had no idea what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE CONTRACT as they were hired by WalMart. I feel so terrible for those poor, duped bastards that wanted nothing more than 20 dollars an hour for doing a job that is worth around 6 dollars an hour. Seriously, my heart is bleeding for the people who got employed, signed a contract that clearly states what the expectations of the job were, and decided to fark off in school instead of actually trying to learn something.

Somewhere a fiddle is playing....

So what happens when Walmart breaks their end of this grand ole bargain? Tough shiat, they're the employee?

Show one instance where they have done that, just one. You won't find it because it never happened!

One instance ever? Well that was easy.
Where in the contract does it say he won't be hit by a cart? I was speaking of the contract! Try again.


Really, it was my fault for thinking you'd take this seriously.
 
2012-11-21 01:07:41 AM

Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Yeah because those workers had no idea what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE CONTRACT as they were hired by WalMart. I feel so terrible for those poor, duped bastards that wanted nothing more than 20 dollars an hour for doing a job that is worth around 6 dollars an hour. Seriously, my heart is bleeding for the people who got employed, signed a contract that clearly states what the expectations of the job were, and decided to fark off in school instead of actually trying to learn something.

Somewhere a fiddle is playing....

So what happens when Walmart breaks their end of this grand ole bargain? Tough shiat, they're the employee?

Show one instance where they have done that, just one. You won't find it because it never happened!

One instance ever? Well that was easy.
Where in the contract does it say he won't be hit by a cart? I was speaking of the contract! Try again.

Really, it was my fault for thinking you'd take this seriously.


Yes, it was your fault. This is Fark, ya dumbass.
/How's your Mom doing anyway? Give her my best! Because I gave her my best the last time I saw her!
 
2012-11-21 01:11:22 AM

AverageAmericanGuy: Coelacanth: AverageAmericanGuy: Such as?

Unless you want to give me a TotalFark subscription, I'm not looking up anything else tonight. Sorry.

So you're making stuff up for the LOLs? You must have something in mind, right? Otherwise you wouldn't have said it.


Take it or leave it.
 
2012-11-21 01:14:40 AM

Wise_Guy: Coelacanth: AverageAmericanGuy: Such as?

Unless you want to give me a TotalFark subscription, I'm not looking up anything else tonight. Sorry.

It's called backing your own argument.


I've kind of noticed that it's become a sport here to call me out on my postings here.

Either believe it or not.
 
2012-11-21 01:15:59 AM
Fire them all.

let government take care of them

That is what liberals want anyway.
 
2012-11-21 01:17:34 AM

Propain_az: Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Summoner101: sid2112: Yeah because those workers had no idea what they were getting into when they SIGNED THE CONTRACT as they were hired by WalMart. I feel so terrible for those poor, duped bastards that wanted nothing more than 20 dollars an hour for doing a job that is worth around 6 dollars an hour. Seriously, my heart is bleeding for the people who got employed, signed a contract that clearly states what the expectations of the job were, and decided to fark off in school instead of actually trying to learn something.

Somewhere a fiddle is playing....

So what happens when Walmart breaks their end of this grand ole bargain? Tough shiat, they're the employee?

Show one instance where they have done that, just one. You won't find it because it never happened!

One instance ever? Well that was easy.
Where in the contract does it say he won't be hit by a cart? I was speaking of the contract! Try again.

Really, it was my fault for thinking you'd take this seriously.

Yes, it was your fault. This is Fark, ya dumbass.
/How's your Mom doing anyway? Give her my best! Because I gave her my best the last time I saw her!


You saw my mom...? I guess that explains your marital issues. How's that VD medication working out for ya? Was it curable or do you still have to deal with outbreaks?

/mom works in a VD clinic
 
2012-11-21 01:21:19 AM

Propain_az: peeledpeas: I'm so tired of Walmart workers crying and whining about low wages. If you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more to do it. IMO, none of the workers at my local Wally World are worth a squat. They know nothing. They push buttons and stack stuff. Big effing deal. No one is forced to work at Walmart. We really don't need the ability to make a "living wage" at an extremely low skilled job. If Americans get any dumber, there won't be an America for much longer.

fark YOU! You racist sonofabiatch!


Racist? WTF?


Ambivalence: peeledpeas: I'm so tired of Walmart workers crying and whining about low wages. If you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more to do it. IMO, none of the workers at my local Wally World are worth a squat. They know nothing. They push buttons and stack stuff. Big effing deal. No one is forced to work at Walmart. We really don't need the ability to make a "living wage" at an extremely low skilled job. If Americans get any dumber, there won't be an America for much longer.

and this, dear friends, is a prime example of America getting dumber.

Thank you for that wonderful demonstration and an insight into the mind of a callus little prick.



You're welcome. Keep ignoring the bigger picture.
 
2012-11-21 01:56:43 AM
tenpoundsofcheese (farkied: It ain't cheese): They have the basic necessities.

Thanks to Medicaid and food stamps. Which you Randroid pukes would be very happy to see abolished.
 
2012-11-21 02:04:19 AM

Richard Johnson: I do my best to stay the hell out of WallyWorld as I can. I don't think that I have been inside one in 3 years.


Well their low pay costs you money whether you shop there or not. WalMart is a rich corporate welfare queen to the tune of at least $3.6 Billion every year.
 
2012-11-21 02:08:06 AM

tjfly: Think about it this way, libs: Walmart is effectively paying more per worker, but the government is taking the increase and redistributing it to the workers in the form of poorly managed health care... In 2014... So why aren't these people out of poverty now that they have thousands in free health care covered by Uncle Sam?


What the eff am I even reading?

Are you trying to claim that Obamacare (not effective until 2014) is the reason that poverty still exists in America in 2012?
 
2012-11-21 02:14:10 AM
BTW there's a nice article over on the politics tab dealing with pay inequality and such, and coming down on the side of the poorly paid. Fark, it's from The American Conservative
 
2012-11-21 02:16:13 AM

peeledpeas: you think you're so good at stacking toilet paper, go find someone that will pay you more


Costco would pay them more. And provide good benefits. Alas there's not that many around so kinda hard to get a job in and also their turnover is lower than Walmart's, which further ads to the difficulty of getting a job there.
 
2012-11-21 02:33:21 AM
As a UFCW slave (some of you may know how I feel about THEM) I will posit that it has to be among the worst of unions, & that they would hide their involvement. Walmartyrs would be on a double losing end of the deal. While WallyWorld does treat their employees like shiat, their managers have more respect for their employees than my current drivers do. And yes, I have a cushy state job. (Sligo Bow)
 
2012-11-21 02:33:43 AM

Summoner101: Still relevant:

[www.theconnextion.com image 500x500]


Even more relevant: Link
 
2012-11-21 02:39:57 AM

gbcinques: FTA,
a Demos study that says that raising the salary of all full-time workers at large retailers to $25,000 per year would lift more than 700,000 people out of poverty, at a cost of only a 1 percent price increase for customers.

Instead of adding the price increase to the customers, why not take it out of the Walton family pay packet. You know who, those five of the top 10 richest Americans.


THIS! The 1% continue to live in excess beyond your wildest dreams, from the toil of the underpaid and overworked.
 
2012-11-21 02:44:35 AM
As soon as you're born they make you feel small By giving you no time instead of it all Till the pain is so big you feel nothing at all A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

They hurt you at home and they hit you at school They hate you if you're clever and they despise a fool Till you're so farking crazy you can't follow their rules A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

When they've tortured and scared you for twenty odd years Then they expect you to pick a career When you can't really function you're so full of fear A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

Keep you doped with religion and sex and TV And you think you're so clever and classless and free But you're still farking peasants as far as I can see A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

There's room at the top they are telling you still But first you must learn how to smile as you kill If you want to be like the folks on the hill A working class hero is something to be A working class hero is something to be

If you want to be a hero well just follow me If you want to be a hero well just follow me
Working Class Hero ------John Lennon
 
2012-11-21 02:44:51 AM
which pits low-wage workers against greedy management and owners

By which you mean "union backed people being exploited in an effort to get protection money in to the union coffers"

That's ALL this is about. The unions want to get their hands on more money. That's it.
 
2012-11-21 02:54:14 AM

People_are_Idiots: Summoner101: Still relevant:

[www.theconnextion.com image 500x500]

Even more relevant: Link


I generally like Penn & Teller, but that was a horribly made video. They contradict the horrible pay by citing average Walmart FULL-time pay when many of their workers are PART-time. Then they go on to say those PART-time workers were on government assistance anyway so it doesn't count. It does because Walmart has steadily increased it's PART-time employment so the workers it hires either remain on assistance or are forced on to assistance. Maybe if Penn did a little more research he would've realized some of his criticisms of the doc were bullshiat.

Even the schedule one was bullshiat and was essentially nit picking to address the point. Yea, employers set employee schedules. Good job Penn. His point was that they switch employees shifts too often from day to nights with little employee input. Yea Penn, sometimes employers work with employees to schedule shifts more beneficial to the employee and doesn't fark them sideways.
 
2012-11-21 03:01:16 AM

Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What's wrong with the executives earning 1% less if it means your lowest paid staff member earns a living wage?


Well, what happens is they have to raise prices. The world has seen that this business model works spectacularly. If Wal Mart no longer USES this business model, there will be 1000 Walmart Wannabes ABLE to get the billions in capital to put the same business model into operation elsewhere.

When companies compete on price, price is what matters. The new walmart clones will make money, Walmart doesent and shrinks, the no longer needed employees will either be out of work, or now at the new stores without any longevity or stability.

/besides life isnt that simple. if you cut CEO compensation 1 percent, that comes to 181,000 dollars per year, a GHASTLY amount for 1 percent. however split amongst 2.1 million employees, that comes to an increase of 9 cents a year for each employee. So if you cut it 99 percent, it comes to $8.53 extra per employee per year. How does that provide a living wage to anyone?
 
2012-11-21 03:03:23 AM

I sound fat: Dow Jones and the Temple of Doom: What's wrong with the executives earning 1% less if it means your lowest paid staff member earns a living wage?

Well, what happens is they have to raise prices. The world has seen that this business model works spectacularly. If Wal Mart no longer USES this business model, there will be 1000 Walmart Wannabes ABLE to get the billions in capital to put the same business model into operation elsewhere.

When companies compete on price, price is what matters. The new walmart clones will make money, Walmart doesent and shrinks, the no longer needed employees will either be out of work, or now at the new stores without any longevity or stability.

/besides life isnt that simple. if you cut CEO compensation 1 percent, that comes to 181,000 dollars per year, a GHASTLY amount for 1 percent. however split amongst 2.1 million employees, that comes to an increase of 9 cents a year for each employee. So if you cut it 99 percent, it comes to $8.53 extra per employee per year. How does that provide a living wage to anyone?


It's the thought that counts.
 
2012-11-21 03:05:25 AM

rikkitikkitavi: I'm generally not in favor of taxing the same money twice, or thrice. It was taxed when it was earned. And any earnings on that invested income has been taxed. Simply changing hands, from one generation to the next shouldn't be taxable. At all. Period. If Bank of America taxed you a percentage just to move your money or hold onto it and not spend it, then you'd be biatching up a storm. What makes you think the government gets that right to tax money that's already been taxed?


Moving money from bank to bank does not alter whose hand is owner. Willing money to your heirs *is* a change in hand. And the tax collector is always there to take his cut when it does. That is how society works.

Furthermore, society has a vested interest in preventing dynasties. Money is power and power corrupts absolutely. We do not need a plutocracy. And as history has shown, it is very ugly and disruptive to society when the people rise against them.

OTOH, the word "guillotine" rolls off the tongue so very well. It is a shame that we do not get a chance to use it more often.
 
2012-11-21 03:22:14 AM
I work there due to losing my decent paying job during the bubble collapse. It's pretty much as bad as anyone portrays. It's not a bad job in itself but profits go up not down. They throw out just enough of a bone in order for outsiders to say maybe they're not THAT bad. We're constantly hit up for donations for this and that for the sole reason of Walmart being able to say store XXX donated YYY to special cause ZZZ. The kind of PR compaign they like to present the public with. Walmart loves their associates and you. /puke

Nothing is ever going to change. You got people living paycheck to paycheck and looking at handouts of help fill in the gaps. You think this person is going to risk their job to send a message? No. Maybe somewhere somehow there'll be enough walkouts that Walmart has to publiclly address it to save face but have no illusions that they'll losen up the coffers in this process. It's a 100% greed machine that pretty much runs on automation and there's really no way to pull the plug. Anything they use to respond will be the absolute bare minimum that is needed for it to be forgotten until it comes back around next year. They're already trying to bribe workers to work their full Black Friday schedule with an extra 10% off one transaction. They still be making a profit off it it.
 
2012-11-21 03:26:37 AM

p51d007: Since this is a somewhat liberal site, I'm sure to get flamed by this, but anyway....

People who work for Walmart, Target, or any other RETAIL store....well, suck it up!
You are working a RETAIL store! If people didn't come into those stores on Thanksgiving,
or 4am on black Friday, you would be able to stay home. The fault isn't the retailer, it
is the lazy a&& consumer who wants (or thinks they will get) a bargain.
If they didn't show up, the store wouldn't be open!
Also, yes, the economy is (if you live in real-ville) DOWN THE TOILET, so that might be
the reason you are working a low wage or minimum wage job. Now, if you are the countless
drones that are working low/minimum wage jobs, and you are at least in your 20's, you have
to stop and have someone toss a bucket of ice water in your face. Why? Because you
need to evaluate your life. How did you screw up your life, that you are only QUALIFIED to
be a minimum wage employee with little or NO skills in anything other than "do you want
fries with that". As the judge in Caddyshack said "the world needs ditch diggers".
When you were in high school, I'll just bet you were uber cool, skipping school, getting high
daily, girls falling all over you, getting kicked out of school for fighting....yeah, how cool are
you now? The rest of us, STUDIED, went to college (I paid my own way), and got a good
job, that allows us the freedom of having nights, holidays & weekends off!
So, suck it up, and take it in the butt....you have no one to complain to, but yourself!


In other words, people beneath your lofty perch deserve what they get. The "ditch diggers" don't deserve a living wage. Gotcha.

I love how some people allow their own success in life to create arrogance of this nature. It's like they really, really, believe that the pie is big enough for everyone to have a slice of pie as big as their own, and if everyone tried really, really, hard, and never ran into any bad luck, then there would be no need for janitors or pizza delivery guys or retail sales clerks and everyone would have jobs that paid well and allowed them to go out on weekends and holidays.

/actually, I don't love it. Arrogance is stupid.
 
2012-11-21 03:28:57 AM

Summoner101: People_are_Idiots: Summoner101: Still relevant:

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Even more relevant: Link

I generally like Penn & Teller, but that was a horribly made video. They contradict the horrible pay by citing average Walmart FULL-time pay when many of their workers are PART-time. Then they go on to say those PART-time workers were on government assistance anyway so it doesn't count. It does because Walmart has steadily increased it's PART-time employment so the workers it hires either remain on assistance or are forced on to assistance. Maybe if Penn did a little more research he would've realized some of his criticisms of the doc were bullshiat.

Even the schedule one was bullshiat and was essentially nit picking to address the point. Yea, employers set employee schedules. Good job Penn. His point was that they switch employees shifts too often from day to nights with little employee input. Yea Penn, sometimes employers work with employees to schedule shifts more beneficial to the employee and doesn't fark them sideways.


At my workplace they do the same if not worse, at a UNION job. Right now we are downsizing and yet the company is hiring a boatload of part-timers, and messing around with the full-timers hours. I myself work a swing shift as a full-timer, working night 4 days, and morning 1 day. Constant harassment, Laziness paying off... and yet anytime a holiday comes around, we get forced to work it. Heck, one of the employees LEFT this company to work at Walmart.
 
2012-11-21 03:47:02 AM

randomjsa: That's ALL this is about. The unions want to get their hands on more money. That's it.


Better them than the executives really. Granted if it was up to me I'd just have the SEC suspend all trading on Walmart stock until they resolve their issues. And give them two weeks to do it. If they don't? So much for being a public company. Being a public company is a privilege, if you act in a manner not befitting the privilege, you lose it.
 
2012-11-21 03:48:31 AM

p51d007: Since this is a somewhat liberal site, I'm sure to get flamed by this, but anyway....

People who work for Walmart, Target, or any other RETAIL store....well, suck it up!
You are working a RETAIL store! If people didn't come into those stores on Thanksgiving,
or 4am on black Friday, you would be able to stay home. The fault isn't the retailer, it
is the lazy a&& consumer who wants (or thinks they will get) a bargain.
If they didn't show up, the store wouldn't be open!
Also, yes, the economy is (if you live in real-ville) DOWN THE TOILET, so that might be
the reason you are working a low wage or minimum wage job. Now, if you are the countless
drones that are working low/minimum wage jobs, and you are at least in your 20's, you have
to stop and have someone toss a bucket of ice water in your face. Why? Because you
need to evaluate your life. How did you screw up your life, that you are only QUALIFIED to
be a minimum wage employee with little or NO skills in anything other than "do you want
fries with that". As the judge in Caddyshack said "the world needs ditch diggers".
When you were in high school, I'll just bet you were uber cool, skipping school, getting high
daily, girls falling all over you, getting kicked out of school for fighting....yeah, how cool are
you now? The rest of us, STUDIED, went to college (I paid my own way), and got a good
job, that allows us the freedom of having nights, holidays & weekends off!
So, suck it up, and take it in the butt....you have no one to complain to, but yourself!


cache.vevo.com 
 
2012-11-21 03:57:15 AM

clowncar on fire: Think of the economy similar to grading on a curve. When we have a lot of poor people, it doesn't take much to make it to a median class to which the pricing of goods will be based. If everyone is median, the curve is shifted upward until prices settle on the new median. At 25000 a year- the lowest payed workers would still be the lowest payed workers- they'd just get to pay more for the inflated goods along with all the rest of us. Rich man charges more in relationship to his costs- gets richer all that quicker.


Your logic is impeccable. However, you're not logicating the right thing.

Inflation simply doesn't work that way. Inflation is based solely on the amount of currency available for use to purchase goods. When you increase the amount of currency in an economy, you get inflation, as buyers have more money and retailers can charge more. However, this only works if there is a fixed amount of goods. Increased monetary supply will simply have no impact on things like salt, which sells pretty much the same no matter what the economy is like. There will not be an increased demand for salt simply because people have more to spend.

By paying the workers, you are not increasing the amount of currency in an economy, you are merely "redistributing" (I know that's a bad word) the currency, and it all eventually trickles back up anyhow. As long as supply remains steady to match the increased demand (as it will on the cheap Chinese-made crap Wal-Mart sells), then excessive inflation (as in, beyond what we consider "normal") won't occur.
 
2012-11-21 03:59:15 AM
I don't know what's with all the assumptions that people who work low paying jobs are idiots. I work as a supervisor at Rite Aid. I make a little over a dollar above minimum wage. I also have a Bachelors degree in psychology, a Masters degree in social work, AND my social work professional license in NY state. Someone in my position should be working somewhere with a starting salary of 40k. Luckily, I just got a new job that I'll be starting soon, but the economy is so bad that it's not even one that requires an LMSW. It's a site supervisor job at residential housing for adults with developmental disabilities, and will likely pay around 29k to start.
So what's my point? Don't look down at everyone that works retail. The economy is hard and only so many job positions are available. That person stocking shelves may be more educated than you.
 
2012-11-21 04:00:20 AM
Minimum wage was never intended to support a family. It was introduced by unions as a way to get rid of the cheap labor that was driving down their wages. Someone worth $7 an hour isn't going to be hired under an $8 an hour minimum wage, even if normally it might make good sense to hire two unskilled people at $7 rather than one skilled person at $15. The end result is that the poor and uneducated can't get jobs and end up in gangs or on welfare instead, while union employees are being paid 20-30% more than they're actually worth and US industry is going broke or moving overseas.

In regards to Walmart, those jobs paying $8 an hour involve no education or job experience to speak of, and are typically filled by workers who switch jobs constantly and have no imagination. They don't deserve to be paid more. Walmart is a lot better than flipping burgers, and if you have an education you can go into management, which pays pretty well. Or you can just go out and invent your own job - you can make significantly better than Walmart pay just doing yard work and odd jobs, if you're actually hard-working and self-motivated. In my case, I'm partially handicapped, but I taught myself web design and programming starting from age 15 or so, and at this point I can make $40-$50 an hour as a consultant.
 
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