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2012-11-20 08:57:35 PM
...semen?

Because sometimes if you don't get some "relief" for like a week or so, you could shampoo a carpet. So I guess smothering would be do-able.
 
2012-11-20 09:14:14 PM
...he struggled with being gay himself. "He struggled with it, but he overcame it," a member of the group told the Star. "It was a victory."

Riiiight.
 
2012-11-20 09:19:50 PM
What the f*ck?
 
2012-11-20 09:36:06 PM

SilentStrider: What the f*ck?


Agreed :/
 
2012-11-20 09:41:09 PM
I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.
 
2012-11-20 09:54:20 PM
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

THIS
 
2012-11-20 10:03:06 PM
That is a very sad story.
 
2012-11-20 10:44:52 PM

GAT_00: I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.


Right. And all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.
 
2012-11-20 11:09:47 PM

violentsalvation: GAT_00: I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.

Right. And all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.


So you're saying forcing someone to not be gay and then forcing other people you're trying to make not gay rape your wife is the same as international terrorism?
 
2012-11-20 11:18:39 PM

GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.

Right. And all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.

So you're saying forcing someone to not be gay and then forcing other people you're trying to make not gay rape your wife is the same as international terrorism?


If we're extending judgement to all people who share a religion, even the aspects/members of the religion that have, say, been pushing for gay rights since the 1970's? Sure! I mean, as long as we're being totally irrational, why not go whole-hog?
 
2012-11-20 11:19:34 PM

GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.

Right. And all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.

So you're saying forcing someone to not be gay and then forcing other people you're trying to make not gay rape your wife is the same as international terrorism?


But, hey, I'll meet you halfway here-How about we just blame all muslims for, say, women in the middle-east (or gays) getting stoned to death/acid thrown on them/shot by the taliban for wanting an education and call it even? That's more on the scale you're talking about, right?
 
2012-11-20 11:20:08 PM
Your sexual identity is such an essential and fundamental part of who you are, your basic identity. So trying to deny it to this degree and even force it to be what it is not is going to, to use a clinical term, really fark you up.

I think any sort of "therapy" and/or "treatment" aimed at "curing" homosexuality should be completely illegal. It's quackery that leads only to tragedy. It's usually a far more private, less lurid tragedy than this, but it's a tragedy nonetheless.
 
2012-11-20 11:20:42 PM
Frank Castle, your services are needed.
 
2012-11-20 11:21:32 PM
The photo of Mr. Tyler Deaton sets my gaydar off. I almost wish I could have seen it before seeing the headline, in case it's just me being influenced by the story.
 
2012-11-20 11:24:07 PM

jake_lex: Your sexual identity is such an essential and fundamental part of who you are, your basic identity. So trying to deny it to this degree and even force it to be what it is not is going to, to use a clinical term, really fark you up.

I think any sort of "therapy" and/or "treatment" aimed at "curing" homosexuality should be completely illegal. It's quackery that leads only to tragedy. It's usually a far more private, less lurid tragedy than this, but it's a tragedy nonetheless.


Aye. I am *horrified* by these 'Pray the gay away' facilities. And they should be illegal, in some way, but how to do so without violating the first amendment? Perhaps false advertising (since the only thing one could do is suppress ones urges), but that would be tricky as HELL to legislate. I shall do a happy dance when the last of these places closes down, though.

I suppose it helps that I grew up in a church that.. well, the pastors performed a gay marriage happily in the early 90's, and probably even earlier, and that they were part of a larger church that had been moving towards being open and affirming since the early 70's. (My own religious views have drifted far by now, but I'm still kinda proud of said church).
 
2012-11-20 11:24:12 PM
I wish every one of these people are hung to death by their testicles until their body weight rips it off and they bleed to death.


/still not good enough
 
2012-11-20 11:31:30 PM
What do you know, the guy has a blog that's full of crazy. (Hasn't been updated since 2011)

Linky

"This is not because I "just have a prophetic gift" for those of you who might think that way. I truly believe it is because God has, over time, begun to carve out spaces for different jewels of His personality/character that are now "naturally" manifesting in a variety of circumstances. But one of the biggest deterrents to letting God do this is a narrowed definition of self (or of God), as though you are to be something less than God's character, as though you can get through life only manifesting parts of His resplendent glory."
 
2012-11-20 11:31:41 PM
God-farking-damnit. What the shiat?! If you or anyone you know encourages this "pray-the-gay-away" bullshiat, slap the ever loving shiat out of them and beg them to seek REAL help. Denying who you are by trying to hate it is a farked up way to go through life just for the acceptance of people you're better off without. Seriously, what the fark?

/The bible-belt is riddled with these types...
//Their parent's generation can't die off fast enough...
 
2012-11-20 11:33:05 PM

ladyfortuna: The photo of Mr. Tyler Deaton sets my gaydar off. I almost wish I could have seen it before seeing the headline, in case it's just me being influenced by the story.


Does your gaydar work on women as well, or do you have a separate Rosie O'Dometer?
 
2012-11-20 11:33:49 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: ladyfortuna: The photo of Mr. Tyler Deaton sets my gaydar off. I almost wish I could have seen it before seeing the headline, in case it's just me being influenced by the story.

Does your gaydar work on women as well, or do you have a separate Rosie O'Dometer?


I am so stealing that the next time I hear someone say "gaydar". Magnificent.
 
2012-11-20 11:33:59 PM
Kansas City, for some reason, is home to a lot of nutty and cultish versions of Christianity. Any one know why that is?
 
2012-11-20 11:34:36 PM
Wow... religion seriously farks with some people in a really bad way.
 
2012-11-20 11:35:06 PM
I know what his followers said to themselves: "In Tyler Deaton we trust."
 
2012-11-20 11:37:22 PM
The Aristrocrats!
 
2012-11-20 11:37:38 PM
Farking Gay Republicans
 
2012-11-20 11:38:09 PM
Ex-gay minister? So it is possible to pray the gay away?

Also...

Link

t3.gstatic.com

And always remember...

i.imgur.com
 
2012-11-20 11:38:46 PM
Young Republicans, huh?
 
2012-11-20 11:38:55 PM

Felgraf: jake_lex: Your sexual identity is such an essential and fundamental part of who you are, your basic identity. So trying to deny it to this degree and even force it to be what it is not is going to, to use a clinical term, really fark you up.

I think any sort of "therapy" and/or "treatment" aimed at "curing" homosexuality should be completely illegal. It's quackery that leads only to tragedy. It's usually a far more private, less lurid tragedy than this, but it's a tragedy nonetheless.

Aye. I am *horrified* by these 'Pray the gay away' facilities. And they should be illegal, in some way, but how to do so without violating the first amendment? Perhaps false advertising (since the only thing one could do is suppress ones urges), but that would be tricky as HELL to legislate. I shall do a happy dance when the last of these places closes down, though.

I suppose it helps that I grew up in a church that.. well, the pastors performed a gay marriage happily in the early 90's, and probably even earlier, and that they were part of a larger church that had been moving towards being open and affirming since the early 70's. (My own religious views have drifted far by now, but I'm still kinda proud of said church).


It's sad that churches like the one you grew up in aren't more vocal but I guess moderation and reasonableness aren't very loud. I wouldn't actually go to the church but would feel a lot more comfortable around those kind of christians than the ones that I constantly have to hear about in the news and in my neighborhood. I know that there are nice christians out there and that they may even be the slight majority (not where I live) but you just never hear from them.
 
2012-11-20 11:39:03 PM

Delawheredad: Kansas City, for some reason, is home to a lot of nutty and cultish versions of Christianity. Any one know why that is?


Well, they have got some crazy little women there.
 
2012-11-20 11:40:27 PM

viscountalpha: I wish every one of these people are hung to death by their testicles until their body weight rips it off and they bleed to death.


/still not good enough


Wait! Teh gays or the ones who hate teh gays?

/pretty important distinction to make.
 
2012-11-20 11:41:39 PM
It will be interesting to see how this trial goes. If it gets a change of venue outside of the KC area (depending on publicity) it had better be in either Boone or St Louis county, or they'll have a hell of a time finding a jury that doesn't believe you can pray the gay away. This is the state that gave us Akin after all.

/So glad to be far removed from there
 
2012-11-20 11:41:58 PM

quatchi: ...he struggled with being gay himself. "He struggled with it, but he overcame it," a member of the group told the Star. "It was a victory."

Riiiight.


He needs a Mission Accomplished banner.
 
2012-11-20 11:42:36 PM
Smothering her with Guy Fieri's Donkey Sauce?

International House of Prayer, a virulently anti-gay group,
omg that's right next to the International House of Pancakes, a virulently pro-pancake group.
It was a recipe for murder...and breakfast.
 
2012-11-20 11:42:58 PM
And here's a better article: Link
 
2012-11-20 11:46:10 PM
I think they meant International House of Pancakes.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:19 PM
Good God, what am I reading? This guy also tried to make a paraplegic walk after God cured his ghey. I thought faith healers were only found on TBN.

"At least once, some students said, Deaton with others attempted to raise a paraplegic student out of a wheelchair. Another time they tried to make a blind woman see... Deaton's stance against it weighed heavily because members said he had "struggled with being gay."

"He struggled with it, but he overcame it," a member of his group at Southwestern said. "It was a victory."

Read more here: http://www.kansascity.com/2012/11/17/3923048/prayer-groups-secrets-eme rge.html#storylink=cpy
 
2012-11-20 11:49:17 PM

I_Can't_Believe_it's_not_Boutros: ladyfortuna: The photo of Mr. Tyler Deaton sets my gaydar off. I almost wish I could have seen it before seeing the headline, in case it's just me being influenced by the story.

Does your gaydar work on women as well, or do you have a separate Rosie O'Dometer?


Uhmmmm I honestly don't know. The only female I know who is 'out' told me about it while she was away at college, after dating a few guys during high school. If there were cues, I missed them. Then again I think her mom thought I was also a lesbian for a while, since she asked (my friend) if we were dating at one point.

Nice play on words though :) - I don't have anything witty to say so I figured I'd go for truth.
 
2012-11-20 11:49:18 PM

LovingTeacher: Felgraf: jake_lex: Your sexual identity is such an essential and fundamental part of who you are, your basic identity. So trying to deny it to this degree and even force it to be what it is not is going to, to use a clinical term, really fark you up.

I think any sort of "therapy" and/or "treatment" aimed at "curing" homosexuality should be completely illegal. It's quackery that leads only to tragedy. It's usually a far more private, less lurid tragedy than this, but it's a tragedy nonetheless.

Aye. I am *horrified* by these 'Pray the gay away' facilities. And they should be illegal, in some way, but how to do so without violating the first amendment? Perhaps false advertising (since the only thing one could do is suppress ones urges), but that would be tricky as HELL to legislate. I shall do a happy dance when the last of these places closes down, though.

I suppose it helps that I grew up in a church that.. well, the pastors performed a gay marriage happily in the early 90's, and probably even earlier, and that they were part of a larger church that had been moving towards being open and affirming since the early 70's. (My own religious views have drifted far by now, but I'm still kinda proud of said church).

It's sad that churches like the one you grew up in aren't more vocal but I guess moderation and reasonableness aren't very loud. I wouldn't actually go to the church but would feel a lot more comfortable around those kind of christians than the ones that I constantly have to hear about in the news and in my neighborhood. I know that there are nice christians out there and that they may even be the slight majority (not where I live) but you just never hear from them.


Well, it's not just that they're not more vocal. It's also that when the try to be vocal, they get, um, stifled.

The United Church of Christ tried, in the early 2000's (2004?), to run a series of advertisements pointing out the fact that they were open and affirming (and also hapily welcomed immigrants/minorities, the poor, single mothers, etc-Normally semi-shunned groups.) Often using the tagline "Jesus didn't turn people away. Neither do we." (And also sometimes 'God is still speaking', or 'Never place a period where god put a comma', etc etc.)

They were banned from TV by almost all (if NOT all) major networks. For being too controversial. I am not farking kidding. (Tim Teebow's anti-abortion superbowl add? A-OK.)

Here are a few of them banned ads (a google for "UCC Banned Ads" will turn up more info.)
Bouncer Ad
Ejector Ad

They may have given up trying to use media markets (at least traditional ones) after that, and I'm not sure I can blame them (given that they probably wound up spending a good chunk of money for, well, nothing.)
 
2012-11-20 11:49:55 PM

Felgraf: GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.

Right. And all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.

So you're saying forcing someone to not be gay and then forcing other people you're trying to make not gay rape your wife is the same as international terrorism?

But, hey, I'll meet you halfway here-How about we just blame all muslims for, say, women in the middle-east (or gays) getting stoned to death/acid thrown on them/shot by the taliban for wanting an education and call it even? That's more on the scale you're talking about, right?


If we're talking about fundamentalism, then yes, all of fundamentalist Wahabist Islam is responsible for 9/11. And all fundie Christians are responsible for this, too. Just the fact that it was an "ex-gay" operation alone means they're terrible people who deserve to die. I, too, wish that these places could get shut down for quackery. And teabaggers like to say the ACLU hides behind the first amendment. You have the right to SAY homosexuality can be cured. You can say homosexuality is caused by unicorns farting in your face at night. But if you actually practice this shiat on other people, then you're just as dangerous as homeopaths who inject urine in their bloodstream. This isn't an issue about religion, this is an issue of PUBLIC SAFETY.
 
2012-11-20 11:52:23 PM

mooseyfate: God-farking-damnit. What the shiat?! If you or anyone you know encourages this "pray-the-gay-away" bullshiat, slap the ever loving shiat out of them and beg them to seek REAL help. Denying who you are by trying to hate it is a farked up way to go through life just for the acceptance of people you're better off without. Seriously, what the fark?

/The bible-belt is riddled with these types...
//Their parent's generation can't die off fast enough...


OK, pray-away-the-ghey is misguided, causes mental anguish and can cause mental illness. But there is no causal link established here between (a) the leader's personal experience praying away his ghey and (b) his alleged encouragement of group sexual assaults on his wife, followed by her murder. Are you saying he was so frustrated by his inability to get over his attraction to men that he lashed out against his wife? It's a theory but not really demonstrable from these facts.

Blaming their belief system is jumping to conclusions. So is believing the story of the guy who has been arrested -- not the cult leader but the fall guy. If he is telling the truth it's a case of a gang of men following the little head, using a vulnerable woman to service them all because they believed she was firmly under their control, then discarding her like garbage when they were done or she became inconvenient. Multiple charges for all of them.

They have not arrested and charged the leader yet, just the fall guy. It could turn out fall guy did it because he and the wife were lovers and the rest is made up.
 
2012-11-20 11:52:28 PM
So does this mean that gays are murderous bastards?
 
2012-11-20 11:53:47 PM

obamadidcoke: So does this mean that gays are murderous bastards?


Only if they're also closeted college republicans.
 
2012-11-20 11:54:49 PM
A Cleveland Steamer?
 
2012-11-20 11:55:54 PM

Felgraf: GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.

Right. And all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.

So you're saying forcing someone to not be gay and then forcing other people you're trying to make not gay rape your wife is the same as international terrorism?

If we're extending judgement to all people who share a religion, even the aspects/members of the religion that have, say, been pushing for gay rights since the 1970's? Sure! I mean, as long as we're being totally irrational, why not go whole-hog?


Both of you are losing your heads. How about we just all go back to our corners for a minute and get our heads together before we start saying things that make us look stupid.

Haha yeah. I didn't think anyone was gonna fall for that.
 
2012-11-20 11:56:06 PM

jake_lex: Your sexual identity is such an essential and fundamental part of who you are, your basic identity. So trying to deny it to this degree and even force it to be what it is not is going to, to use a clinical term, really fark you up.

I think any sort of "therapy" and/or "treatment" aimed at "curing" homosexuality should be completely illegal. It's quackery that leads only to tragedy. It's usually a far more private, less lurid tragedy than this, but it's a tragedy nonetheless.


Exactly what I wanted to say. That's why a story like this doesn't shock me at all. Sometimes, in denying one part of your existence, you become something else entirely. In this case, looking at what aedude01 posted; it sounds like this guy was having a God complex.
 
2012-11-20 11:57:46 PM
According to the Star, several members of the group lived in Tyler Deaton's home

The first rule of Ex-gay rape and murder club is...
 
2012-11-20 11:58:10 PM

JasonOfOrillia: I know what his followers said to themselves: "Into Tyler Deaton we trustthrust."


FTFY
 
2012-11-20 11:58:58 PM

4tehsnowflakes: mooseyfate: God-farking-damnit. What the shiat?! If you or anyone you know encourages this "pray-the-gay-away" bullshiat, slap the ever loving shiat out of them and beg them to seek REAL help. Denying who you are by trying to hate it is a farked up way to go through life just for the acceptance of people you're better off without. Seriously, what the fark?

/The bible-belt is riddled with these types...
//Their parent's generation can't die off fast enough...

OK, pray-away-the-ghey is misguided, causes mental anguish and can cause mental illness. But there is no causal link established here between (a) the leader's personal experience praying away his ghey and (b) his alleged encouragement of group sexual assaults on his wife, followed by her murder. Are you saying he was so frustrated by his inability to get over his attraction to men that he lashed out against his wife? It's a theory but not really demonstrable from these facts.

Blaming their belief system is jumping to conclusions. So is believing the story of the guy who has been arrested -- not the cult leader but the fall guy. If he is telling the truth it's a case of a gang of men following the little head, using a vulnerable woman to service them all because they believed she was firmly under their control, then discarding her like garbage when they were done or she became inconvenient. Multiple charges for all of them.

They have not arrested and charged the leader yet, just the fall guy. It could turn out fall guy did it because he and the wife were lovers and the rest is made up.


Read the link 6 posts above you. It sure as hell sounds like it.
 
2012-11-21 12:01:11 AM
aedude01

Thanks for the link.. Kansas City is the home of a bunch of "prophets" who are tied into the International House of Prayer. The have their tentacles in many of the independent charismatic churches all over the country. This may be the tip of a very big and very creepy iceberg.
 
2012-11-21 12:02:00 AM

colithian: Felgraf: GAT_00: violentsalvation: GAT_00: I can't quite think of how to say this, but basically this doesn't shock me in the least. You fundamentally oppress and try to "fix" people Christians, and this is what you get. As far as I'm convinced, this and every single other one of these incidents is a pox and a judgement on the lot of you. You're all to blame for this.

Right. And all Muslims are responsible for 9/11.

So you're saying forcing someone to not be gay and then forcing other people you're trying to make not gay rape your wife is the same as international terrorism?

But, hey, I'll meet you halfway here-How about we just blame all muslims for, say, women in the middle-east (or gays) getting stoned to death/acid thrown on them/shot by the taliban for wanting an education and call it even? That's more on the scale you're talking about, right?

If we're talking about fundamentalism, then yes, all of fundamentalist Wahabist Islam is responsible for 9/11. And all fundie Christians are responsible for this, too. Just the fact that it was an "ex-gay" operation alone means they're terrible people who deserve to die. I, too, wish that these places could get shut down for quackery. And teabaggers like to say the ACLU hides behind the first amendment. You have the right to SAY homosexuality can be cured. You can say homosexuality is caused by unicorns farting in your face at night. But if you actually practice this shiat on other people, then you're just as dangerous as homeopaths who inject urine in their bloodstream. This isn't an issue about religion, this is an issue of PUBLIC SAFETY.


I are confused here. I *don't* believe the Pray Away the Gay people. (Though I *do* think it is, frustratingly, first amendment protected-or, rather, I think it would be very difficult to get them shut down). I will admit I don't hate them, but that's more due to me trying my damndest not to hate *anyone*. I'd love to say it's out of just trying to be an awesome person (I *do* believe that hate warps, twists, and poisons your soul-it's how these @#%3 'Pray away the gay' and other fundamentalists are *ABLE* to do such horrible things), but a part of it's also just,uh, lazyness. Holding a grudge just seems like a crapton of *effort*. I do pity them, though. When you think about just how broken inside they have to be, what it's like to be going through life filled with *that much* hate...

However, I took objection to GAT's comments because he didn't say fundamentalists. he said he laid it at the feet of 'Christians'. Perhaps I'm being overly-sensitive.. I suppose I'm still tetchy after months of a presidential campaign that, among other things, had a major candidate (who THANK GOD did not win) express open contempt in what he thought was in secret for people like myself (Physics grad student-one of the '47%'), and, eh. I also just don't like broad, sweeping statements that condemn massive chunks of a population who often only share a single thing in common (and even that single thing is tenuous at best. Like condemning all americans because 'You all believe in the views of George Bush' or whatever.). It's sloppy thinking, it's lazy, and it's honestly how crap like this gets STARTED (All gays are evil, we MUST FIX THEM, etc etc etc.)
 
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