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(Detroit Free Press)   Expanded TV revenue was not the only reason the B1G-Whatever got Maryland from the ACC, it was also a big FARK YOU to Notre Dame   (freep.com) divider line 93
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2012-11-20 03:13:52 PM
*gasp* YOU MEAN IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY???
 
2012-11-20 03:26:06 PM
I couldn't help but think this when I saw the announcement. Sabotage ND's new conference before they even get to start play there? Brilliant!
 
2012-11-20 03:31:59 PM
I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.
 
2012-11-20 03:35:07 PM

OSULugan: I couldn't help but think this when I saw the announcement. Sabotage ND's new conference before they even get to start play there? Brilliant!


This is like dating your ex-girlfriend's best friend to spite her.
 
2012-11-20 03:36:54 PM

lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.


True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.
 
2012-11-20 03:37:29 PM

SlothB77: OSULugan: I couldn't help but think this when I saw the announcement. Sabotage ND's new conference before they even get to start play there? Brilliant!

This is like dating your ex-girlfriend's best friend to spite her.


yeah, but when that best friend is maryland, no matter how angry you are, it's best just to pass on farking the fat ugly chick with herpes.

/it was all about the money.
 
2012-11-20 03:38:48 PM

carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.


Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?
 
2012-11-20 03:41:17 PM

carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.


Florida State and Louisville to the Big XII to make them XII again.
 
2012-11-20 03:46:25 PM

39Smooth: carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.

Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?


Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.
 
2012-11-20 03:47:36 PM
Next up: UVA (ACC), & Missouri or Colorado then UNC (ACC), Duke(ACC)

F*ck ND
 
2012-11-20 03:48:23 PM

Mentat: *gasp* YOU MEAN IT'S ALL ABOUT THE MONEY???


Agrees
 
2012-11-20 03:49:22 PM
For sports, 16 teams is a much more manageable number than 18 or 20. Makes for a cleaner four-round basketball tournament, etc. And that means only two more spots are open. The B1G mentioned a philosophy of adjacent states. Current adjacent states are:

Virginia, New York, Kentucky, Dakotas, Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Colorado, West Virginia, Delaware, New York.

Taking Virginia Tech and either Louisville or NC State would be consistent with the adjacent state philosophy.
 
2012-11-20 03:52:40 PM

lunchinlewis:
Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.


with B1G money, Maryland brings back the sports they cut.
 
2012-11-20 03:53:23 PM

lunchinlewis: 39Smooth: carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.

Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?

Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.


Okay, Maryland cut a bunch of crap teams that no one cared about or talked about except the students on the team and their parents. Big deal. As for the basketball program, with the new ACC alignment he wasn't going to be able to promise recruits they would play Duke and UNC every season anyway. Also, let's not forget the Big 10 is not a joke bball conference, it's pretty competitive.
 
2012-11-20 03:56:07 PM
Even better, with so many teams in the conference now, this means that the B1G schools will play more in-conference foes and will have to cut their non-conference opponents down to one or two patsies a year.

Oh, sorry ND, you wanted to play Purdue, Michigan, and Michigan State? That's too bad, there's no room for you in the schedule any more...
 
2012-11-20 03:58:18 PM

39Smooth: lunchinlewis: 39Smooth: carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.

Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?

Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.

Okay, Maryland cut a bunch of crap teams that no one cared about or talked about except the students on the team and their parents. Big deal. As for the basketball program, with the new ACC alignment he wasn't going to be able to promise recruits they would play Duke and UNC every season anyway. Also, let's not forget the Big 10 is not a joke bball conference, it's pretty competitive.


Well, in the context of the question I was responding to, if you want to say football and basketball are the only relevant sports, then they lack a decent basketball team too.

I thought the initial question had a broader scope though.
 
2012-11-20 04:04:16 PM
Well, if this is the route we're going, there are three ways to go from here:

A) The 'basketball imprint' route: Syracuse and Connecticut; as Connecticut attaches to New York and then you can get the Boston market too.

B) The 'naked money chase' route: swap out Syracuse for Buffalo and try for the Canadian market.

C) The 'football' route: Virginia Tech and any of the Tobacco Road schools, probably NC State (the Tar Heels would value the Duke rivalry too much to abandon it).
 
2012-11-20 04:11:27 PM

lunchinlewis: 39Smooth: carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.

Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?

Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.


Indiana (46) 3-0 1,602
2 Louisville (19) 3-0 1,579
3 Ohio State 3-0 1,404
4 Michigan 3-0 1,388
5 Duke 3-0 1,372
6 Syracuse 2-0 1,291
7 Florida 3-0 1,203
8 Kentucky 2-1 1,166
9 North Carolina 3-0 1,064
10 Arizona 2-0 983
11 UCLA 3-0 845
12 Kansas 2-1 797
13 Missouri 3-0 794
14 Creighton 3-0 721
15 Michigan State 2-1 692
16 North Carolina State 3-1 600
17 Gonzaga 3-0 559
18 UNLV 2-0 556
19 Memphis 2-0 548
20 Oklahoma State 4-0 449
21 Connecticut 4-0 321
22 Cincinnati 3-0 265
23 Colorado 4-0 237
24 Baylor 4-1 202
25 San Diego State

Yeah cause the B1G 10 just sucks at basketball
 
2012-11-20 04:12:31 PM
Hopefully the pac 12 stays at 12. That texas and oklahoma talk was stupid
 
2012-11-20 04:12:45 PM
Notre Dame and Michigan State should move to the SEC already.

It would even work under the adjacent states philosophy.
 
2012-11-20 04:15:15 PM
You know what's fascinating to me, is that this is going to get worse before it gets better. Live sports are just about the only thing left on TV that can deliver a reliably high rating, and college football is a solid #2 behind the NFL. The ad money pouring into college football is only going to go up, the TV contracts are only going to get bigger, and schools are going to be increasingly willing to do whatever it takes to get a piece of the pie.

How far away are we from major football schools figuring out a way they can just break their football programs away from the NCAA and do their own thing...5 years? If this happens, whom is going to really care besides the NCAA? Certainly not the advertisers or ESPN. The only question will be, if the schools can figure out a way to break from the NCAA while still passing off the "scholarships are sufficient payment" thing.
 
2012-11-20 04:17:07 PM
How absolutely committed to the ACC is Notre Dame at this point?

The Big XII already has Bevo's dick in the mashed potatoes... most of the other nine are in Stockholm-land anyway. Since ND is going to have more trouble than ever scheduling decent competition in the 14-team-league era, maybe the Big 12 could get ND and FSU.

Of course, if you're FSU, you might look at how the back-to-back 1000-mile flights to Texas helped "Mr. Certain Heisman" Geno Smith and his team this year. Not that they aren't already kinda boned in the geography department.
 
2012-11-20 04:24:23 PM

NuttierThanEver: lunchinlewis: 39Smooth: carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.

Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?

Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.

Yeah cause the B1G 10 just sucks at basketball


Funny, I thought he was talking about lacrosse.
 
2012-11-20 04:24:46 PM
college football sucks
/just passin thru
 
2012-11-20 04:33:36 PM
This makes ND's "Not Football" membership in the ACC more valuable to the ACC not less valuable. That would seem to make it less likely that the ACC pressure them out for not fully joining. Notre dame wins again and the B1G is stuck with Maryland.
 
2012-11-20 04:33:57 PM

robertus: Funny, I thought he was talking about lacrosse.


I was, but I got the sense this was becoming strictly a football and basketball discussion. And that's OK, those are the two big money sports, and there it all comes back to money again and that's really the only thing this stuff is about.

But some of us enjoy watching lots of other college sports, and the ACC has some pretty good baseball and lacrosse, but nobody thinks about those sports because there's no money in them. I'll miss Maryland in ACC lacrosse. Heck, they could very well win a championship before they leave the ACC.
 
2012-11-20 04:34:10 PM
Enrollments:

Rutgers: 56,868 (42,327 Undergraduate)
Maryland: 37,631 (26,826 undergraduates) (2nd in ACC behind FSU)

Big schools with lots of students that need a lot of money. And the more students the school has, the more potential customers to buy tickets and merchandise.
 
2012-11-20 04:35:58 PM
it was also a big FARK YOU to Notre Dame

Oh, in that case I'm good with this.
 
2012-11-20 04:36:25 PM
I don't think ND made anyone in the B1G, much less Michigan, happy when they bailed out of the rest of their football contract with Michigan. Add on the "let's join the ACC in everything except for football because we're d-bags," and it makes sense that some level of vengeance has been leveled at ND.
 
2012-11-20 04:40:37 PM

Lawnchair: How absolutely committed to the ACC is Notre Dame at this point?

The Big XII already has Bevo's dick in the mashed potatoes... most of the other nine are in Stockholm-land anyway. Since ND is going to have more trouble than ever scheduling decent competition in the 14-team-league era, maybe the Big 12 could get ND and FSU.

Of course, if you're FSU, you might look at how the back-to-back 1000-mile flights to Texas helped "Mr. Certain Heisman" Geno Smith and his team this year. Not that they aren't already kinda boned in the geography department.


Does the Big 12 try to pick off football programs or basketball powers to shiat ND's ACC bed? Of course, then offer ND full membership, none of this half-ass everything but football crap.
 
2012-11-20 04:41:05 PM

SlothB77: For sports, 16 teams is a much more manageable number than 18 or 20. Makes for a cleaner four-round basketball tournament, etc. And that means only two more spots are open. The B1G mentioned a philosophy of adjacent states. Current adjacent states are:

Virginia, New York, Kentucky, Dakotas, Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Colorado, West Virginia, Delaware, New York.

Taking Virginia Tech and either Louisville or NC State would be consistent with the adjacent state philosophy.


Only 1 problem with that, too: B1G likes AAU schools, too. When they picked up Nebraska, it was an AAU school at that moment. VT and NCst. aren't AAU schools. However, UVA, Mizzou, Kansas, Pitt, UNC, and Duke are.
 
2012-11-20 04:41:28 PM

TheLads69: I don't think ND made anyone in the B1G, much less Michigan, happy when they bailed out of the rest of their football contract with Michigan. Add on the "let's join the ACC in everything except for football because we're d-bags," and it makes sense that some level of vengeance has been leveled at ND.


Stealing Maryland from the ACC is the worst vengeance ever.
 
2012-11-20 04:45:50 PM

lunchinlewis: robertus: Funny, I thought he was talking about lacrosse.

I was, but I got the sense this was becoming strictly a football and basketball discussion. And that's OK, those are the two big money sports, and there it all comes back to money again and that's really the only thing this stuff is about.

But some of us enjoy watching lots of other college sports, and the ACC has some pretty good baseball and lacrosse, but nobody thinks about those sports because there's no money in them. I'll miss Maryland in ACC lacrosse. Heck, they could very well win a championship before they leave the ACC.


Indeed. It's probably a wash for football and, ultimately, basketball (though the Duke game was always a good time), but it stinks for the lacrosse program.

/Towson alum.
//Towson just axed their baseball and soccer programs.
 
2012-11-20 04:45:52 PM

PowerSlacker: TheLads69: I don't think ND made anyone in the B1G, much less Michigan, happy when they bailed out of the rest of their football contract with Michigan. Add on the "let's join the ACC in everything except for football because we're d-bags," and it makes sense that some level of vengeance has been leveled at ND.

Stealing Maryland from the ACC is the worst vengeance ever.


I don't know. I haven't stopped grinning since Nebraska took their tear-stained pillow and huffed out the door.
 
2012-11-20 04:48:31 PM

lunchinlewis: But some of us enjoy watching lots of other college sports, and the ACC has some pretty good baseball and lacrosse, but nobody thinks about those sports because there's no money in them.


Lucky for you, these sports will now be broadcast on TV thanks to the Big 10 network.
 
2012-11-20 04:57:11 PM

TheOther: PowerSlacker: TheLads69: I don't think ND made anyone in the B1G, much less Michigan, happy when they bailed out of the rest of their football contract with Michigan. Add on the "let's join the ACC in everything except for football because we're d-bags," and it makes sense that some level of vengeance has been leveled at ND.

Stealing Maryland from the ACC is the worst vengeance ever.

I don't know. I haven't stopped grinning since Nebraska took their tear-stained pillow and huffed out the door.


They mean its stupid to take a team who has at best been a .500 team and usually a complete crap team.
 
2012-11-20 05:11:00 PM

NuttierThanEver: lunchinlewis: 39Smooth: carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.

Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?

Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.

Yeah cause the B1G 10 just sucks at basketball


He meant lacrosse. They're going from the best lacrosse conference to one that doesn't exist.
 
2012-11-20 05:14:23 PM

Shaggy_C: lunchinlewis: But some of us enjoy watching lots of other college sports, and the ACC has some pretty good baseball and lacrosse, but nobody thinks about those sports because there's no money in them.

Lucky for you, these sports will now be broadcast on TV thanks to the Big 10 network.


Meh, between Comcast Sports (local mid-atlantic) and ESPNU we see a good share of those ACC games around here. I get Big10 and FSC on my package too so there's plenty to watch.
 
2012-11-20 05:21:22 PM
My point is that the foundation of the ACC is shakier than it was (Maryland may suck at football, but they have good m/w hoops, lax, etc.), and ND may be left with a steaming pile of crap soon.
 
2012-11-20 05:23:13 PM

SlothB77: For sports, 16 teams is a much more manageable number than 18 or 20. Makes for a cleaner four-round basketball tournament, etc. And that means only two more spots are open. The B1G mentioned a philosophy of adjacent states. Current adjacent states are:

Virginia, New York, Kentucky, Dakotas, Kansas, Missouri, Wyoming, Colorado, West Virginia, Delaware, New York.

Taking Virginia Tech and either Louisville or NC State would be consistent with the adjacent state philosophy.


University of Kansas and University of Virginia both fit the adjacent test and the AAU membership test.
 
2012-11-20 05:25:08 PM

lunchinlewis: 39Smooth: carnifex2005: lunchinlewis: I don't think the conference that adds Maryland really comes out on top no matter how you look at it.

True but you've got to know that Florida State will be next to leave the ACC now. When that happens, the ACC will probably collapse sooner than later.

Except a poor football program (currently) what does Maryland lack that would make them such a bad pick up?

Maryland just cut several sports programs all together. Stuff like indoor track and field, swimming, tennis, stuff like that. Now I don't know how this change impacts those decisions, but at the least Maryland comes in as a gimped athletics program. And the team that plays the one sport where they actually contend for a NCAA title is going to be crippled in recruiting by not being in the ACC.


I watched the press conference yesterday and the fact that they had to cut those 6 sports played a big part in why they decided to jump ship. They said the money increase will hopefully give them a chance to bring back some of those sports.
 
2012-11-20 05:27:54 PM

TheLads69: My point is that the foundation of the ACC is shakier than it was (Maryland may suck at football, but they have good m/w hoops, lax, etc.), and ND may be left with a steaming pile of crap soon.


The new system will play into ND's hands if the ACC gets softer. As long as NBC shovels them all that cash for football, the ACC's strength does not matter much to them.
 
2012-11-20 05:31:21 PM
Since I've been following this sh*t all day (Louisville fan), here's what I know, or at least have heard from reputable sources:

1. UConn was apparently ESPN's choice and the ACC was told to invite them. Which happened, and then...

2. FSU, Clemson, VA Tech, GA Tech and Miami threatened defection if anyone but Louisville was welcomed into the ACC.

3. Louisville's brass have spoken to the ACC schools, and the B12 has been notified that Louisville is in negotiations with the ACC.

4. Louisville, which has an athletic budget and enough cash on hand to rival the GDP of some small countries (sounds weird, I know, but it's true), has offered to pay Florida St.'s $50 million exit fee from the ACC in case something doesn't go their way and the schools are apparently joined at the hip at this point, with Louisville basically buying FSU's clout and riding along to wherever they end up going (most likely B12). This is old school metro conference ties in this situation.

And here's my opinion...

1. If the ACC bows to the overlords at ESPN, all hell is going to break loose, beginning with the ACC being gutted like a fish by the SEC and B12 most notably, while the B12 and B10 divvy up the remaining Big East schools they deem worthy of a post at the table (see: Cincinnati).

2. The Big East is even deader than it was a couple days ago, regardless of what else happens.
 
2012-11-20 05:35:35 PM
Problem is, how does this hurt TOSU, Wis, and other annual contenders? They have to drop someone from their schedules to fit the new guys in. Drop a better school for the easier win or ditch the High School JV squad games at the beginning of the season and risk an upset? Probably not much of an impact or very infrequently, but its an interesting dilemma.
 
2012-11-20 05:40:34 PM

iron_city_ap: Problem is, how does this hurt TOSU, Wis, and other annual contenders? They have to drop someone from their schedules to fit the new guys in. Drop a better school for the easier win or ditch the High School JV squad games at the beginning of the season and risk an upset? Probably not much of an impact or very infrequently, but its an interesting dilemma.


That's the problem. These people do not care about quality on the field. Why did ESPN decide they want farking UConn? UConn's athletic dept. is a dumpster fire - basketball on a postseason ban and football is awful. Because they have more TV sets than anyone else available. Same reason B10 took RU and UM. It's all TV markets, and it doesn't even matter if anyone actually watches the games. They can sell potential viewers on the B10 network to advertisers, so why bother with actual viewers? NYC could give two shiats about RU.

This is all about money, money and more money. It's farking sad that an amateur sport is being decided this way.
 
2012-11-20 05:41:19 PM

iron_city_ap: Problem is, how does this hurt TOSU, Wis, and other annual contenders? They have to drop someone from their schedules to fit the new guys in. Drop a better school for the easier win or ditch the High School JV squad games at the beginning of the season and risk an upset? Probably not much of an impact or very infrequently, but its an interesting dilemma.


Delaney alluded to the fact that he would like to expand the in conference schedule by a game. For the big programs this costs them 1 home game every 2 years. But who it really costs money is the small schools who lose the opportunity to get their @$$ beat for a big amount of money that is needed to fund their athletic program.
 
2012-11-20 05:49:56 PM

TheLads69: My point is that the foundation of the ACC is shakier than it was (Maryland may suck at football, but they have good m/w hoops, lax, etc.), and ND may be left with a steaming pile of crap soon.


Don't forget about soccer, Maryland is normally in the top 5.
Also the fact that the school is backed by Under Armour will help with its football recruiting.
 
2012-11-20 06:06:12 PM

imapirate: This is all about money, money and more money. It's farking sad that an amateur sport is being decided this way.


Since when are NCAA sports "amateur"?
 
2012-11-20 06:09:11 PM

imapirate: This is all about money, money and more money. It's farking sad that an amateur sport is being decided this way.


It's all about money? Isn't that the reason they created the NCAA over a hundred years ago.
 
2012-11-20 06:12:21 PM

constructor5179: imapirate: This is all about money, money and more money. It's farking sad that an amateur sport is being decided this way.

It's all about money? Isn't that the reason they created the NCAA over a hundred years ago.


I get that, but the sheer amount of cash involved in all of this is just mind blowing. Add to it that a supposed "news" network is now dictating what happens in the sport they report on, and these schools are becoming businesses. Just makes me sick.
 
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