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(Some Guy)   The reason that Karl Rove thought that Romney was a shoe-in? Because Anonymous had kicked ORCA's ass with said shoe   (dailynewsfinder.com) divider line 19
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2012-11-20 03:07:36 PM
10 votes:
No. Just...stop. Stop trying to call Karl Rove some master criminal who had some way of erasing votes. Stop trying to make Anonymous out to be some sort of Bond hero.

Mitt Romney ran a terrible campaign, and lost the election. Karl Rove convinced some very wealthy people to give him a lot of money. The End.
2012-11-20 03:05:47 PM
4 votes:
When will the media learn that Anonymous isn't really even a group? They're an ever-rotating roster of bored geeks, acting sometimes in concert, mostly by themselves, for their own amusement? SOMETIMES they can accomplish wonderful things but, for the most part, they're just pranksters.
2012-11-20 04:00:38 PM
3 votes:
IF this were true, and even Kos is banhammering people advancing this silly theory, then Anonymous did a very dumb thing. If they had proof/evidence that ANYONE was trying to manipulate voting machines and DIDN'T turn it over to law enforcement so we could A) start a national discussion about insecure these machines are and B) Nail to the wall the hides of those involved as a warning to others, then all they have done is to allow a future election where they are not so lucky/vigilant to be stolen
2012-11-20 04:55:07 PM
2 votes:
This is one of those cases where I tend to go by the phrase "never ascribe to conspiracy what could more readily be explained by stupidity".

Karl Rove thought Romney was going to win because he had become so used to telling people that, mainly rich people to separate them from their money, that he started to believe it himself. His surprise at Obama's win in Ohio wasn't because his evil conspiracy failed, but because he became so wrapped up in his own narrative that he forgot that it wasn't necessarily going to correspond with reality.

Besides, trying to steal the election from a sitting President is probably one of the most idiotically risky things you can do in this country. Obama is kind of a powerful man, and if he found out that his reelection was stolen, there are plenty of things he could do to make Karl Rove's life a living hell. If the evidence was strong enough, then Obama would likely have grounds for charging Rove and his co-conspirators with treason, which at the very least will have them locked up for the rest of their lives. If the evidence was, for whatever reason, inadmissible then there are plenty of questionable legal solutions he could try instead, like blackmail.
2012-11-20 04:01:28 PM
2 votes:
Seems suspicious that the same machines in Ohio would go down momentarily @ the same time during both the 2004 and 2012 elections.
In 2004, when the machines came back up, the Ohio vote was suddenly flipped in Bush's favor.
In 2012, when the machines came back up, the Ohio vote remained in Obama's favor. And Rove was flummoxed, but obviously he couldn't explain why without giving himself away.

\Heard about this on the radio, DRTFA
2012-11-20 03:29:07 PM
2 votes:
Smokescreen. Double bluff. An old XK Red 47 technique.

Rove planted the Anonymous story. He knows it will never be proven, or even investigated too much, but he can sell it to some of his donors and maybe not end up in cement shoes for squandering so many millions of their money.
2012-11-20 02:53:11 PM
2 votes:
shoo-in, not shoe-in.

/sorry, pet peeve...
2012-11-20 05:04:08 PM
1 votes:
So, whether or not this is true or not, there is a big implecation here. If Rove, the administrator of 2 pro Romney superPACs, had anything to do with ORCA, and ORCA was used by the Romney campaign would that be construed as illeagal coordinidation between the two parties?
2012-11-20 04:49:13 PM
1 votes:
Wasn't ORCA basically a CRM solution? Completely separate from the election servers? That's like claiming you hacked the Pentagon because you threw big rocks in the Mississippi river.
2012-11-20 04:29:08 PM
1 votes:
Y'all are missing one important aspect of this story.

Thanksgiving is this week and everyone in almost every family has that one person, we'll call him Tea-Bagger Uncle Phil who espouses whatever FOX News has been dishing up. Now, while losing an election should be enough to shut him up we all know it isn't going to.

Which is why this story is the perfect thing to trot out. It's everything we know and love about a good solid tinfoil hat story based on rumor. It's so insane and improbable, unlikely and wacky that there's nothing he's going to be able to come back with.

It's like Christmas early for all of us with an Uncle Phil.
2012-11-20 04:23:40 PM
1 votes:

phaseolus: Marcus Aurelius: Access database


Are you kidding??


No, many voting machines tally to an Access database.
2012-11-20 04:23:39 PM
1 votes:

Cyclometh: devilEther: Seems suspicious that the same machines in Ohio would go down momentarily @ the same time during both the 2004 and 2012 elections.
In 2004, when the machines came back up, the Ohio vote was suddenly flipped in Bush's favor.
In 2012, when the machines came back up, the Ohio vote remained in Obama's favor. And Rove was flummoxed, but obviously he couldn't explain why without giving himself away.

\Heard about this on the radio, DRTFA

But even if Ohio did go for Romney, it wouldn't change the outcome. Obama won by an electoral vote landslide.


Obama would have won without Florida, Virginia, and Ohio.
2012-11-20 04:07:35 PM
1 votes:
The only thing Anonymous is doing is trolling Republicans for the lulz.
2012-11-20 03:57:32 PM
1 votes:
Isn't this a repeat?

Or because we had 30,000 stories about Obama's fake birf certifcate we need to keep having stories about this?
2012-11-20 03:56:53 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: what_now: No. Just...stop. Stop trying to call Karl Rove some master criminal who had some way of erasing votes. Stop trying to make Anonymous out to be some sort of Bond hero.

Mitt Romney ran a terrible campaign, and lost the election. Karl Rove convinced some very wealthy people to give him a lot of money. The End.

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2012-11-20 03:50:04 PM
1 votes:
i love that the romney team called it orca in response to obama's narwhal software. "see, an orca can kill a narwhal! hurr hurr!" well, it killed sweet fark all this time, pal.
2012-11-20 03:26:10 PM
1 votes:

FlashHarry: shoo-in, not shoe-in.

/sorry, pet peeve...


This AND...

what_now: No. Just...stop. Stop trying to call Karl Rove some master criminal who had some way of erasing votes. Stop trying to make Anonymous out to be some sort of Bond hero.

Mitt Romney ran a terrible campaign, and lost the election. Karl Rove convinced some very wealthy people to give him a lot of money. The End.


This. Both of those things.
2012-11-20 03:19:02 PM
1 votes:

what_now: No. Just...stop. Stop trying to call Karl Rove some master criminal who had some way of erasing votes. Stop trying to make Anonymous out to be some sort of Bond hero.

Mitt Romney ran a terrible campaign, and lost the election. Karl Rove convinced some very wealthy people to give him a lot of money. The End.


i54.tinypic.com
2012-11-20 01:45:51 PM
1 votes:
Sounds legit.
 
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