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2012-11-20 11:34:07 AM
Let me put it more plainly for you:

Your candidate was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everybody knew it. Everybody.
 
2012-11-20 11:37:00 AM
Some of the best unintentional comedy on the internet manifests itself as articles on Reason.
 
2012-11-20 11:38:17 AM
FTA:

Mitt Romney's explanation of his election loss-that President Obama bought the election with "gifts" such as health insurance coverage and student loan forgiveness-may be closer to the truth than a lot of people want to believe.

Okay, Reason. If you want to go here and make this argument, you're going to have to admit that "gifts" would also include tax breaks for the rich, which is exactly what Romney was promising.
 
2012-11-20 11:40:33 AM

Lando Lincoln: Let me put it more plainly for you:

Your candidate was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everybody knew it. Everybody.


It's Fartbongo who's the liar.

I voted for him 2 weeks ago and I'm still waiting for my pony.
 
2012-11-20 11:42:27 AM

Lando Lincoln: Let me put it more plainly for you:

Your candidate was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everybody knew it. Everybody.


And he was representing a party that went off the derp end into pure hatefulness.
 
2012-11-20 11:44:09 AM
Rev.K: If you want to go here and make this argument, you're going to have to admit that "gifts" would also include tax breaks for the rich, which is exactly what Romney was promising.
 
2012-11-20 11:44:54 AM
How dare the president do his job by helping to address the needs of the majority of the American people instead of only the rich, this is an outrage!
 
2012-11-20 11:46:28 AM

Eddie Adams from Torrance: Lando Lincoln: Let me put it more plainly for you:

Your candidate was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everybody knew it. Everybody.

It's Fartbongo who's the liar.

I voted for him 2 weeks ago and I'm still waiting for my pony.


Really??
Mine arrived last Friday. I upgraded to the War Pony so that when the revolution begins, I can wage war 47% style.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:33 AM
Or, maybe it isn't, and no matter how 'edgy' and 'controversial' your headline is, there's just no way on Earth I'm clicking on your shiatty derptastic link.

It's gotta be one or the other, for sure.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:38 AM
Has anyone received their Obama Gift yet? Is he waiting for Christmas? I keep checking the mailbox, but so far...nothing.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:58 AM
We're talking about health care, not a goddamn iPad.
 
2012-11-20 11:52:09 AM
that President Obama bought the election with "gifts" such as health insurance coverage

I generally don't consider something I buy for myself as a "gift."

Some for laws saying the insurance I buy can't fark me over.
 
2012-11-20 12:06:35 PM

Ennuipoet: Has anyone received their Obama Gift yet? Is he waiting for Christmas? I keep checking the mailbox, but so far...nothing.


My .50 cal air-cooled machine gun is on back-order. As long as it arrives by Kill All Real Americans Day I'll be okay.
 
2012-11-20 12:07:22 PM
...and Romney wanted to "buy" the election with tax breaks for the wealthiest and coverage for businesses that want to export jobs.

It's funny how that seems to elude folks. Promises were made. Romney's promises were to continue a fiscal policy that nearly wrecked the system, but made some folks fairly wealthy and shipped billions outside the economy. But continuation of that isn't a "gift" I guess, that's just plain "common sense"?
 
2012-11-20 12:19:48 PM
Let me get this straight: Reason believes when a majority of people voted for altruistic self interest - it's wrong because its not what the 1% rich free market people want?

Wow. If this is a sample of Reasons logic, I dare say their website name leaves them open to a false advertisement lawsuit.

Because helping out your neighbor and yourself isn't very American, is it?
 
2012-11-20 12:22:07 PM

Ennuipoet: Has anyone received their Obama Gift yet? Is he waiting for Christmas? I keep checking the mailbox, but so far...nothing.


I'm still waiting for my OJ winnings.

//Y U SO FUNNY CHRIS?
 
2012-11-20 12:26:01 PM
Yup. Obama promised me a stable economy, less war, and a higher national standard.

But it was the $20 a month I now save in whore pills that really tipped the balance for me.
 
2012-11-20 12:26:50 PM

Ennuipoet: Has anyone received their Obama Gift yet? Is he waiting for Christmas? I keep checking the mailbox, but so far...nothing.


No, although I was promised one gay marriage and a 2-for-1 Islamofascist abortion, but I don't know how the USPS is going to deliver that.
 
2012-11-20 12:28:19 PM

what_now: Yup. Obama promised me a stable economy, less war, and a higher national standard.

But it was the $20 a month I now save in whore pills that really tipped the balance for me.


I thought they were for your complexion, you liar!
 
2012-11-20 12:28:19 PM
HAHAHA!
I got my gift from Obama last week.

Guess he just hates you guys, cause it's really cool.
 
2012-11-20 12:28:33 PM

what_now: Yup. Obama promised me a stable economy, less war, and a higher national standard.

But it was the $20 a month I now save in whore pills that really tipped the balance for me.


It was the free cell phone and the mad $13k a year in welfare checks that did it for me. Do you know how much you can bling out your public housing on $13k biatches?
 
2012-11-20 12:31:12 PM
Obama sent me a Guinness towel.
 
2012-11-20 12:33:40 PM

hillbillypharmacist: what_now: Yup. Obama promised me a stable economy, less war, and a higher national standard.

But it was the $20 a month I now save in whore pills that really tipped the balance for me.

I thought they were for your complexion, you liar!


I use my whore pills to stop from getting knocked up. No one wants me to parent.
 
2012-11-20 12:36:54 PM

hubiestubert: ..and Romney wanted to "buy" the election with tax breaks for the wealthiest and coverage for businesses that want to export jobs.


How is that even possible? You're "paying off" the top of the pyramid. That by definition is the smaller number of people.

Yes it's the O'reilly factor. But if he got it wrong Media Matters will be all over it.

The long and the short of it was simple, Mitt got outmaneuvered. Obama beat him to death about no specifics in his tax plan while never going into a single idea other than I'm going to get the rich to pay more. And it worked! It was simple and elegant. Every time someone asked him about the budget he would say something along the lines of "I think the rich should cover it" and then start lying about what was in Mitt's plan and no one and I mean no one challenged him on it. A simple "Mr. President if all the millionaires and billionaires are taxed at 100% you'd only pay for the government for a quarter. Or and I'd pay money for this! "Mr. President even your top campaign people have admitted that whole 5 trillion number is bs why do you keep using it". Yes it was said but no one made him answer it.

So now we get to see if that works. I hope it does. I really do. I said this four years ago and I mean it today. I would rather have a booming economy under a D then a recession under an R. Winning internet debates and getting to say I told you so doesn't help feed my kids, cover my mortgage or save for the kids' college. I want them to have it better than I had it, I hope Obama does pull it off. I just find it highly unlikely.
 
2012-11-20 12:39:57 PM
Why don't you run him again in 2016?
 
2012-11-20 12:48:15 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: while never going into a single idea other than I'm going to get the rich to pay more


You didn't know the President's ideas so therefore he didn't have any? All it would have taken to inform yourself is watching any one of his campaign speeches.
 
2012-11-20 12:50:18 PM

what_now: Yup. Obama promised me a stable economy, less war, and a higher national standard.

But it was the $20 a month I now save in whore pills that really tipped the balance for me.


I'm giving those biatches pills. biatches love pills.
 
2012-11-20 01:02:20 PM
FTFA: "less than artfully phrased". Sounds just like the "Not Elegantly Stated" 47% thing.

Guy seriously needs to either stick to a script, or STFU.
 
2012-11-20 01:06:27 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: hubiestubert: ..and Romney wanted to "buy" the election with tax breaks for the wealthiest and coverage for businesses that want to export jobs.

How is that even possible? You're "paying off" the top of the pyramid. That by definition is the smaller number of people.

Yes it's the O'reilly factor. But if he got it wrong Media Matters will be all over it.

The long and the short of it was simple, Mitt got outmaneuvered. Obama beat him to death about no specifics in his tax plan while never going into a single idea other than I'm going to get the rich to pay more. And it worked! It was simple and elegant. Every time someone asked him about the budget he would say something along the lines of "I think the rich should cover it" and then start lying about what was in Mitt's plan and no one and I mean no one challenged him on it. A simple "Mr. President if all the millionaires and billionaires are taxed at 100% you'd only pay for the government for a quarter. Or and I'd pay money for this! "Mr. President even your top campaign people have admitted that whole 5 trillion number is bs why do you keep using it". Yes it was said but no one made him answer it.

So now we get to see if that works. I hope it does. I really do. I said this four years ago and I mean it today. I would rather have a booming economy under a D then a recession under an R. Winning internet debates and getting to say I told you so doesn't help feed my kids, cover my mortgage or save for the kids' college. I want them to have it better than I had it, I hope Obama does pull it off. I just find it highly unlikely.


The difficulty is this: Romney repeatedly went on record advocating the same policies that got us into the current financial mess. The same mess that a lot of economists warned folks about BEFORE we leaped off the cliff. Romney had no prescription for our economic woes, simply to "stay the course" and eventually, maybe, we'd get better by the sheer weight of inertia, or until the markets collapsed completely and by then, enough folks would have their cash offshore, and could then follow it.

Therein is the rub: Romney had no plan. He didn't have anything save a desire to run for President. And grift his way through a campaign to slide cash to the right folks, advance a narrative, and then get the Hells out. His greatest fear would be if he'd won. If he'd won, then he'd have had to actually fix the crap that he and his had contributed in wrecking. Romney isn't the problem, he is however, a symptom. Folks who want to appear to be doing something, as opposed to doing something useful. So long as they have the appearance, then they don't have to actually show their work. Phantom politics and phantom policies aren't going to get us out of anything. Confidence can only get folks so far, and then you have to have confidence in the very real work that you do, and Romney is none to fond of that work. He'd rather watch others do it, and then take the credit after. That has been his MO for a lot of years, and that's sort of the issue: some of us have been paying attention.
 
2012-11-20 01:14:47 PM

hubiestubert: The Stealth Hippopotamus: hubiestubert: ***snip***


Your post is similar to my feelings on Scott Walker. Since he started with the union changes, I have always wondered what the endgame was. I would love to have a few minutes in a soundproof room with a few of these guys, including Obama, and just ask "Why did you do X?" and get real actual answers. Obviously, I would be killed before my foot hit the ground outside that room, but it would almost be worth it.
 
2012-11-20 01:40:08 PM
Sumbiatch has he was gonna give me a pony.

WHAR MAH PONY FARTBONGO??!?
 
2012-11-20 01:41:02 PM

give me doughnuts: Sumbiatch has he was gonna give me a pony.

WHAR MAH PONY FARTBONGO??!?


He told me I was getting a fish, but he stole it.
 
2012-11-20 01:41:15 PM
*sigh* has = said

/dammitsomuch
 
2012-11-20 01:45:24 PM
Wait I though the lost cuz Christia ate all the food at the Kraft Service table on election night
 
2012-11-20 01:45:25 PM
www.flpundit.com
 
2012-11-20 01:45:35 PM

Lando Lincoln: Ennuipoet: Has anyone received their Obama Gift yet? Is he waiting for Christmas? I keep checking the mailbox, but so far...nothing.

My .50 cal air-cooled machine gun is on back-order. As long as it arrives by Kill All Real Americans Day I'll be okay.


All I got way a bayonet. ;(
 
2012-11-20 01:46:24 PM

The Stealth Hippopotamus: hubiestubert: ..and Romney wanted to "buy" the election with tax breaks for the wealthiest and coverage for businesses that want to export jobs.

How is that even possible? You're "paying off" the top of the pyramid. That by definition is the smaller number of people.


Because they have all the money. Money they'll donate to your campaign. Duh.
 
2012-11-20 01:47:03 PM
may be closer to the truth than a lot of people want to believe.

Or maybe not considering reason.com is just another derper rag.
 
2012-11-20 01:47:23 PM

roc6783: hubiestubert: The Stealth Hippopotamus: hubiestubert: ***snip***

Your post is similar to my feelings on Scott Walker. Since he started with the union changes, I have always wondered what the endgame was. I would love to have a few minutes in a soundproof room with a few of these guys, including Obama, and just ask "Why did you do X?" and get real actual answers. Obviously, I would be killed before my foot hit the ground outside that room, but it would almost be worth it.


Part of my problem with NeoCons and the folks who follow their model, is that they are invested with subjective reality as the basis of their policy. So long as folks believe it, then it will be OK. They will make it so.

Subjective reality IS an important concept. It IS important to understand. The problem with so many within my former party is a willful misunderstanding of the concept. We do have to understand that how folks perceive things IS important. A woman who feels insulted by something you said, even if you didn't intend for it to be insulting IS offended. She WILL act on that basis. Understanding that in HER reality, you are a dick IS important. The difficulty is, that many have misconstrued the concept to mean that so long as you believe reality is such, that it will BE such.

Walker distances himself from a lot of NeoCon principles, but much of the party is still wedded to a leadership that feels that if they just wish hard enough, that things will fall into place. That if they just keep repeating a lie, that it will become truth. That if you just believe a policy will work, that it will. And reality doesn't work like that. Understanding that numbers can be massaged to give an impression and you can manipulate those numbers doesn't make the new set change reality, only folks perception. That only works for so long. Cooking the books can let you fool folks for a while, but eventually, the market is going to work onward, and at some point, you have to look at things in an objective sense, and then adjust your sails. At this point, a lot of folks have been drinking Kool Aid and calling it wine, and they're "drunk" is just so much acting...
 
2012-11-20 01:48:20 PM

Rev.K: FTA:

Mitt Romney's explanation of his election loss-that President Obama bought the election with "gifts" such as health insurance coverage and student loan forgiveness-may be closer to the truth than a lot of people want to believe.

Okay, Reason. If you want to go here and make this argument, you're going to have to admit that "gifts" would also include tax breaks for the rich, which is exactly what Romney was promising.


All taxes are theft. If I rob you less, it's not a gift since you're still stealing from me.

This is what Reason really believes.
 
2012-11-20 01:49:23 PM

Rev.K: FTA:

Mitt Romney's explanation of his election loss-that President Obama bought the election with "gifts" such as health insurance coverage and student loan forgiveness-may be closer to the truth than a lot of people want to believe.

Okay, Reason. If you want to go here and make this argument, you're going to have to admit that "gifts" would also include tax breaks for the rich, which is exactly what Romney was promising.


along with dropping a DoJ investigation or two and possibly a war with Iran.
 
2012-11-20 01:49:45 PM
www.rushimg.com

Seriously, this works both ways. If the libs can say (correctly, I might add) that rich guys voted for Romney in order to get his presents (tax breaks / loopholes / etc.) then why is it beyond the pale to say that folks voted for Obama in order to get his presents?

You're going to vote for the person that gives you the most stuff. Obama has promised to give a hell of a lot of people a hell of a lot of stuff. Embrace the free money re-distribution philosophy, don't try to hide it. Let the unicorn money flow through you.
 
2012-11-20 01:50:05 PM
Obama did bring us donuts...
 
2012-11-20 01:50:47 PM

tricycleracer: Rev.K: FTA:

Mitt Romney's explanation of his election loss-that President Obama bought the election with "gifts" such as health insurance coverage and student loan forgiveness-may be closer to the truth than a lot of people want to believe.

Okay, Reason. If you want to go here and make this argument, you're going to have to admit that "gifts" would also include tax breaks for the rich, which is exactly what Romney was promising.

All taxes are theft. If I rob you less, it's not a gift since you're still stealing from me.

This is what Reason really believes.


So, the fine folk at Reason don't like living in a first world country?
 
2012-11-20 01:50:49 PM
A gift can be more than physical, monetary, or direct.

All politicians are promising gifts to their constituents. That is the entire point of the government: to do stuff. If you don't want a controlling body (in our case one elected by the people, don't forget) to be collecting taxes and spending them in the best interests of somebody, then you don't want a government at all.

So unless Romney was an Anarchist, he was promising gifts to those who would vote for him.
 
2012-11-20 01:51:24 PM

Lando Lincoln: Let me put it more plainly for you:

Your candidate was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everybody knew it. Everybody.


Your candidate was a giant lying sack of shiat, and everybody knew it. Everybody

bold for truthiness
 
2012-11-20 01:51:27 PM

Bontesla: Really??
Mine arrived last Friday. I upgraded to the War Pony so that when the revolution begins, I can wage war 47% style.


Hmm. I'm still riding my unicorn from 2008. He's pretty awesome!

/farts rainbows that smell like fresh-baked cookies
 
2012-11-20 01:51:38 PM
The situation brings to mind Michael Kinsley's definition of a gaffe as when a politician tells the truth.

"47% of Americans don't pay taxes" is not a truth.

"47% of Americans effectively pay 0% in federal income tax" is a truth. This is because they're taking deductions on real estate, children, and 401k contributions, but that doesn't fit into the narrative of welfare queens. This narrative is decidedly not "the truth".

Keep in mind, you're reading a rant about "takers and makers" from a blogger.
 
2012-11-20 01:51:53 PM
Ritz?

localbound.files.wordpress.com

Mmmm, Good cracker. 

because Jebus
 
2012-11-20 01:52:11 PM

Silly Jesus: [www.rushimg.com image 585x250]

Seriously, this works both ways. If the libs can say (correctly, I might add) that rich guys voted for Romney in order to get his presents (tax breaks / loopholes / etc.) then why is it beyond the pale to say that folks voted for Obama in order to get his presents?

You're going to vote for the person that gives you the most stuff. Obama has promised to give a hell of a lot of people a hell of a lot of stuff. Embrace the free money re-distribution philosophy, don't try to hide it. Let the unicorn money flow through you.


Wait, I thought Obamacare was a huge tax increase ion the lower and middle classes? Now it's free stuff?
 
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