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2012-11-20 01:52:25 PM

jasimo: FooDog: Shrugging Atlas: We're going to have to start keeping a new list: Reasons Mitt Romney Lost The Election because it still seems to be growing by the day.

Ok, I'll start:

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove


NOT ROMNEY

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Nate Silver

NOT ROMNEY


roof dogs... you forgot roof dogs.
 
2012-11-20 01:53:17 PM

HeartBurnKid: So, it's all Christie's fault for putting his office and his constituents above his party. Got it.


It certainly didn't help to have the whole nation see the stark contrast between a couple of real leaders working together to help their constituents, and a whiny, born-rich fratboy who's never done an honest day's work in his life emptily shilling for votes.
 
2012-11-20 01:54:10 PM
Obama's strategy for the next four years should be to troll the hell out of every viable Republican candidate by being nice to him. Shake Paul Ryan's hand on camera and say, "I was really worried when they picked you for Veep." High five Christie. Slap Scott Walker onthe back and say "Congratulations on the recall."
 
2012-11-20 01:56:08 PM

ArgusRun: Dimensio:
As a four point poll shift in every swing state would have been required for Mr. Romney to have won the election, I also understand the blame assigned to Governor Christie: admitting error is a sign of weakness.

And this is what I will never understand. It's not a sign of weakness. Admitting a mistake is a sign of strength. It says I'm secure enough that an error won't ruin me. Refusing to admit a mistake is a sign of weakness. It means I'm afraid that one mistake will make people think less of me. That I will be fired or people won't like me anymore.

The only thing that is worse is someone who blames someone else for their own mistake. That's not weakness, that meanness.

The staffers feal weak and they're lashing out. I get it. But it telegraphs weakness, not strength.

What I don't understand is Mitt. He has enough money to have clout anywhere he decides to hang his hat. (Besides the political ring) If he simply said he got beat, disappeared for a year and then set up a big foundation, he'd be fine. Instead he's hissing and spitting and lashing out, and I don't get it.


Right after the 2008 election I was still doing Hiring for a DC contaractor that did a lot of gov't work. I'll never forget the resume I got where the bright young thing who wrote it evidentially considered thier work on the "McCain Campaign Palin Media team" to be his professional career highlight, despite the fact that the rest of the world thought her media relation team had done one of the worst jobs at that ever seen. Admittedly a lot of that was a "garbage in, Garbage out" issue, but stil
 
2012-11-20 01:58:23 PM
Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Nate Silver

Bureau of Labor Statistics

NOT ROMNEY
 
2012-11-20 01:58:27 PM


Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Nate Silver
roof dogs.


Bain-bashing ads confusing people
Black Panthers
Voter fraud
Destroyed absentee military ballots
moderate politics
saying stupid things
 
2012-11-20 01:59:02 PM
Mentat, he should just have a photographer snap picures of him suprising each of them with a hug.
 
2012-11-20 01:59:07 PM

whistleridge: Why is it just so hard for some people to say 'well...we go outplayed'?


Because all the "yes men" Mitt surrounded himself with told him he was going to win. His internal polling told him he was going to win. He honestly doesn't understand why he lost because he was living in a reality bubble of his own creation.

/like most Republicans.
 
2012-11-20 02:00:17 PM

Mentat: So the Republicans are going to destroy their most viable candidate for 2016 because he didn't lock his car doors when the President walked by. You know, I'm starting to wonder if maybe Obama didn't use his magic hurricane machine to engineer all of this. It's just too silly to be real.


You Know I WONDERED whatever happened to those books Prospero had! Now it all makes sense! Did anyone ever see a copy of Caliban's birth Certificate?
 
2012-11-20 02:00:44 PM

impaler: The important thing is to take away from this is that it was someone else's fault.

Party of personal responsibility.

 
2012-11-20 02:01:31 PM

whistleridge: Why is it just so hard for some people to say 'well...we go outplayed'?


Waaaaaaaaahhhhhhh! It was the ref's fault we lost.
 
2012-11-20 02:02:09 PM
Sorry Mittard, this election was already done before Sandy hit. I'm sorry the bubble you and Karl Rove made around yourselves shielded you from that fact.
 
2012-11-20 02:02:49 PM
Ugly girls who never get asked to dance always blame the DJ.
 
2012-11-20 02:02:58 PM
i.imgur.com

This picture should win a Pulitzer.
 
2012-11-20 02:04:35 PM

ArdRi6: So the insulting lie about Jeep moving to Japan had nothing to do with him losing Ohio? Or his insulting 47% remarks had nothing to do with losing the 47%+?


Here is the Key thing Romney failed to grasp: There IS a certain percentage of our popluation that lives in a culture of dependancy and is relaint on government handouts, It is NOT 47% as supposes , but much more importantly, a large percentage of that group vote Republican and considers themselves "rugged individualists" and Romney should be beaten about the head and shoulders with a copy of What's the Matter with Kansas? until he acknowledges it
 
2012-11-20 02:04:37 PM

Philip Francis Queeg: One reason that wasn't fat.

[images.politico.com image 605x328]


I will criticize Representative Ryan for many reasons, but never for his physical conditioning.
 
2012-11-20 02:04:51 PM
Tally so far...

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Math
Nate Silver
Liberal Media
Chrysler
Tropical storm Isaac
Tax returns
American Red Cross
New Black Panthers
St. Vincent DePaul Soup Kitchen
Roof Dogs
Bureau of Labor Statistics
 
2012-11-20 02:07:01 PM

lordjupiter: So they want to get rid of FEMA because the states can handle disasters that cripple the, um, state...


don't forget how he said they should cut policemen and firefigthers earlier in the year and then that massive wildfire broke out. i can't believe that happened with mitt twice!
 
2012-11-20 02:07:07 PM
Even the GOP didn't like Romney, why would they think most people would.
They should have gone with Perry, he was a game changer.
 
2012-11-20 02:07:34 PM

Magorn: ArgusRun: Dimensio:
As a four point poll shift in every swing state would have been required for Mr. Romney to have won the election, I also understand the blame assigned to Governor Christie: admitting error is a sign of weakness.

And this is what I will never understand. It's not a sign of weakness. Admitting a mistake is a sign of strength. It says I'm secure enough that an error won't ruin me. Refusing to admit a mistake is a sign of weakness. It means I'm afraid that one mistake will make people think less of me. That I will be fired or people won't like me anymore.

The only thing that is worse is someone who blames someone else for their own mistake. That's not weakness, that meanness.

The staffers feal weak and they're lashing out. I get it. But it telegraphs weakness, not strength.

What I don't understand is Mitt. He has enough money to have clout anywhere he decides to hang his hat. (Besides the political ring) If he simply said he got beat, disappeared for a year and then set up a big foundation, he'd be fine. Instead he's hissing and spitting and lashing out, and I don't get it.

Right after the 2008 election I was still doing Hiring for a DC contaractor that did a lot of gov't work. I'll never forget the resume I got where the bright young thing who wrote it evidentially considered thier work on the "McCain Campaign Palin Media team" to be his professional career highlight, despite the fact that the rest of the world thought her media relation team had done one of the worst jobs at that ever seen. Admittedly a lot of that was a "garbage in, Garbage out" issue, but stil


Okay... That's funny.

But frankly, if you're smart and young enough, you can totally spin that in your favor. Learned how to deal with high stress environment, what not to do in many situations, experience handling inexperienced people.
 
2012-11-20 02:07:39 PM

Nadie_AZ: firefly212: Dear GOP, you didn't get my vote because you openly hate me. I'm one of the working poor who is excited about the prospect of decent health insurance. I'm one of the gay people you think you should be able to deny equal rights to. I'm one of the people who barely contributes via income tax, but still pays a higher effective tax rate (sales, payroll, social security, medicare) than Mitt Romney. I'm one of the people who, when I call for government to actually do something useful for me, you berate and call a "taker," despite your financial adoration of subsidies for everyone who is already doing ok. You can blame Christie, "gifts," hurricanes (or other acts of God), but unless you stop using your policies to try to decide whether lawmakers know whether mj or neurontin has worse side effects, who I can marry, and whether or not my ownership of a refrigerator means I should pay more taxes so our illustrious "job creators" can have another tax break, you're not getting my vote.

Dear firefly212,

TL;DR

~GOP


I sure hope so... as a liberal, there's nothing I'd like more than for the GOP to continue to campaign on extremist, losing policies. Keep running campaigns based on hating fellow Americans (gays, blacks, latinos, the poor, etc.), see where that gets ya.
 
2012-11-20 02:07:42 PM

firefly212: Dear GOP, you didn't get my vote because you openly hate me. I'm one of the working poor who is excited about the prospect of decent health insurance. I'm one of the gay people you think you should be able to deny equal rights to. I'm one of the people who barely contributes via income tax, but still pays a higher effective tax rate (sales, payroll, social security, medicare) than Mitt Romney. I'm one of the people who, when I call for government to actually do something useful for me, you berate and call a "taker," despite your financial adoration of subsidies for everyone who is already doing ok. You can blame Christie, "gifts," hurricanes (or other acts of God), but unless you stop using your policies to try to decide whether lawmakers know whether mj or neurontin has worse side effects, who I can marry, and whether or not my ownership of a refrigerator means I should pay more taxes so our illustrious "job creators" can have another tax break, you're not getting my vote.


You are only proving the Republican narrative correct by putting your own financial well-being and civil liberties above the wishes of Christian theocrats and wealthy business owners who may now be forced to pay 2% more of their annual income to the government.
 
2012-11-20 02:09:12 PM
i48.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-20 02:10:42 PM

ArgusRun: Dimensio: As a four point poll shift in every swing state would have been required for Mr. Romney to have won the election, I also understand the blame assigned to Governor Christie: admitting error is a sign of weakness.

And this is what I will never understand. It's not a sign of weakness. Admitting a mistake is a sign of strength. It says I'm secure enough that an error won't ruin me. Refusing to admit a mistake is a sign of weakness. It means I'm afraid that one mistake will make people think less of me. That I will be fired or people won't like me anymore.


You are not a religious fundamentalist, which is the core group that has taken over the Republican party and who are the reason that I cannot identify as a Republican. Religious fundamentalists believe their political advocacy to be an extension of the will of God. Because God is infallible (and because religious fundamentalists are arrogant enough to believe their interpretation of God's word to be infallible), admitting a mistake would be tantamount to claiming that God was wrong which, to them, is impossible.
 
2012-11-20 02:12:47 PM

jasimo: FooDog: Shrugging Atlas: We're going to have to start keeping a new list: Reasons Mitt Romney Lost The Election because it still seems to be growing by the day.

Ok, I'll start:

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove


NOT ROMNEY

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Nate Silver

NOT ROMNEY


Is the "Obamaphone" a subset of "Obama's gifts", or does it require a separate listing?
 
2012-11-20 02:13:16 PM

FooDog: Tally so far...

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Math
Nate Silver
Liberal Media
Chrysler
Tropical storm Isaac
Tax returns
American Red Cross
New Black Panthers
St. Vincent DePaul Soup Kitchen
Roof Dogs
Bureau of Labor Statistics

Internal combustion engines
Trees not of the right height
The Star Spangled Banner

/ just a few more
 
2012-11-20 02:15:12 PM
FTFA:
"Christie," said a Romney adviser, "allowed Obama to be president, not a politician."

And, god forbid, Christie acted like a governor, not a politician.
 
2012-11-20 02:15:28 PM

VJStinger: FooDog: Tally so far...

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Math
Nate Silver
Liberal Media
Chrysler
Tropical storm Isaac
Tax returns
American Red Cross
New Black Panthers
St. Vincent DePaul Soup Kitchen
Roof Dogs
Bureau of Labor Statistics
Internal combustion engines
Trees not of the right height
The Star Spangled Banner

/ just a few more


Voters
 
2012-11-20 02:15:39 PM

morlinge: I'd also like to bring up the recent post about barackofraudo.com claiming that the election was stolen.


I examined this website. Apparently the author believes that Mr. Romney was entitled to a certain percentage of votes from certain urban areas and that him receiving a lower percentage is proof that electoral fraud occurred. I do not believe that the author understands how electoral fraud works.
 
2012-11-20 02:15:43 PM

lordjupiter: peter21: Let's try to look at this objectively here. What did the Romney campaign do right? Seriously, what could the campaign hang its hat on this go 'round? ORCA? Its ground game? Setting out a clear vision for the candidate?

What we got was a guy fumbling around for months, who threatened to be overshadowed by his running mate until they scaled him back on the national stage at least. Then said candidate appears as a craven opportunist in setting up a press conference immediately following an attack on U.S. civilians in Libya.

His one shining moment was the first debate where he outclassed Obama by shamelessly abandoning everything he had been running on since the primaries in one, hour and a half performance. He then held his own but lost the remaining two debates and then, thanks to his echo chamber, deludedly thought the campaign was in the bag.

But yeah, it was Chris Christie's fault.


Romney wasn't even in the ballgame until Obama slept through the first debate. If Obama hadn't let Romney get that little bit of momentum, none of this last-minute fingerpointing would be taking place. They'd be pointing fingers, of course, but they'd be blaming things that are more long-term.


Of for sure. It would have been better I suppose for Romney to have gone completely off the rails, maybe they'd have gotten to their soul-searching moment sooner. The inability to accept blame is fascinating but not surprising I guess. If you make no apologies because you never do anything wrong, how can you then admit you've failed? They're all winners, it's just someone else's fault that kept them from winning.
 
2012-11-20 02:17:04 PM
Had one right winger endlessly whining about how Christie was gushing and too nice to Obama. Directly said that a true conservative should never compliment Obama ever, not even acknowledge that Obama did his job correctly. At best Christie should have just ignored Obama is he was doing something right. But NEVER say he did something right.

EVER.
 
2012-11-20 02:19:21 PM

Dimensio: morlinge: I'd also like to bring up the recent post about barackofraudo.com claiming that the election was stolen.

I examined this website. Apparently the author believes that Mr. Romney was entitled to a certain percentage of votes from certain urban areas and that him receiving a lower percentage is proof that electoral fraud occurred. I do not believe that the author understands how electoral fraud works.


Their sense of self-entitlement knows no upper bounds.But God help the poor person who wants access to preventative health care....
 
2012-11-20 02:19:42 PM

Dimensio: Is the "Obamaphone" a subset of "Obama's gifts", or does it require a separate listing?


THIS.

I need a detailed list. I voted for Obama in 2008 and didn't get anything, but I still voted for him this year, so I farking better get one of the gifts I keep hearing so farking much about.
 
2012-11-20 02:20:08 PM
Christie creamed the GOP with his dunking of their talking points.
 
2012-11-20 02:21:15 PM

FooDog: Tally so far...

Hurricane Sandy
The 47%
Debate moderators
Obama's gifts
Chris Christie
Todd Akin
Richard Mourdock
Karl Rove
Blacks
Single women
Hispanics
Young people
Gays
Math
Nate Silver
Liberal Media
Chrysler
Tropical storm Isaac
Tax returns
American Red Cross
New Black Panthers
St. Vincent DePaul Soup Kitchen
Roof Dogs
Bureau of Labor Statistics


Big Bird
 
2012-11-20 02:21:24 PM

peter21: lordjupiter: peter21: Let's try to look at this objectively here. What did the Romney campaign do right? Seriously, what could the campaign hang its hat on this go 'round? ORCA? Its ground game? Setting out a clear vision for the candidate?

What we got was a guy fumbling around for months, who threatened to be overshadowed by his running mate until they scaled him back on the national stage at least. Then said candidate appears as a craven opportunist in setting up a press conference immediately following an attack on U.S. civilians in Libya.

His one shining moment was the first debate where he outclassed Obama by shamelessly abandoning everything he had been running on since the primaries in one, hour and a half performance. He then held his own but lost the remaining two debates and then, thanks to his echo chamber, deludedly thought the campaign was in the bag.

But yeah, it was Chris Christie's fault.


Romney wasn't even in the ballgame until Obama slept through the first debate. If Obama hadn't let Romney get that little bit of momentum, none of this last-minute fingerpointing would be taking place. They'd be pointing fingers, of course, but they'd be blaming things that are more long-term.

Of for sure. It would have been better I suppose for Romney to have gone completely off the rails, maybe they'd have gotten to their soul-searching moment sooner. The inability to accept blame is fascinating but not surprising I guess. If you make no apologies because you never do anything wrong, how can you then admit you've failed? They're all winners, it's just someone else's fault that kept them from winning.




Which reminds me...I hope Willard and the Muppet got their participation trophies
 
2012-11-20 02:22:44 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Dimensio: Is the "Obamaphone" a subset of "Obama's gifts", or does it require a separate listing?

THIS.

I need a detailed list. I voted for Obama in 2008 and didn't get anything, but I still voted for him this year, so I farking better get one of the gifts I keep hearing so farking much about.


The gift of republican tears is more than enough for me.
Well, that and the troll that promised to cut off his penis if Obama won.
 
2012-11-20 02:23:04 PM

Dimensio: ArgusRun: Dimensio: As a four point poll shift in every swing state would have been required for Mr. Romney to have won the election, I also understand the blame assigned to Governor Christie: admitting error is a sign of weakness.

And this is what I will never understand. It's not a sign of weakness. Admitting a mistake is a sign of strength. It says I'm secure enough that an error won't ruin me. Refusing to admit a mistake is a sign of weakness. It means I'm afraid that one mistake will make people think less of me. That I will be fired or people won't like me anymore.

You are not a religious fundamentalist, which is the core group that has taken over the Republican party and who are the reason that I cannot identify as a Republican. Religious fundamentalists believe their political advocacy to be an extension of the will of God. Because God is infallible (and because religious fundamentalists are arrogant enough to believe their interpretation of God's word to be infallible), admitting a mistake would be tantamount to claiming that God was wrong which, to them, is impossible.


You forgot sociopaths and people abusive personalities, even a few Type-As. Hell, there are many people who refuse to accept their own accountability who are in no way religious, much less fundamentalists.
 
2012-11-20 02:23:39 PM
If one person going "off message" is all that it takes to derail your billion dollar marketing campaign then perhaps the house you constructed wasn't on a solid foundation.
 
2012-11-20 02:23:46 PM

rufus-t-firefly: Dimensio: Is the "Obamaphone" a subset of "Obama's gifts", or does it require a separate listing?

THIS.

I need a detailed list. I voted for Obama in 2008 and didn't get anything, but I still voted for him this year, so I farking better get one of the gifts I keep hearing so farking much about.


We got the corpse of Osama bin Laden feeding the fish at the bottom of the Indian Ocean. So there's that, at least.
 
2012-11-20 02:24:34 PM

what_now: Tell me Mitt, why did you lose all of your home states again.


He just didn't sound sincere when he was complimenting the Trees in Michigan. Especially once it came out that he once punched a tree? Dude. You're like an abusive boyfriend, all complimenting the trees one minute and punching them the next.

/also Let Detroit Go Bankrupt etc.
 
2012-11-20 02:25:46 PM

whistleridge: If anything short of assassination, outright treason, or a video surfacing of you humping a goat happens in the last week before the election, you didn't lose the election because of it. You lost the election because you campaign sucked, pure and simple.

Why is it just so hard for some people to say 'well...we go outplayed'?


I'm fine with this.

The longer the Republicans continue to deny why they lost this election, the longer it will be before they get back into power. Maybe if they keep this up long enough, sanity can creep back into their platform.
 
2012-11-20 02:25:59 PM

Rwa2play: MaudlinMutantMollusk: F*ck you Mitt

/If you want to see why you lost, go look in a mirror
//assuming you have a reflection, since you seem singularly incapable of any

Done in five; with a helpful assist from his campaign team. In retrospect, they didn't have the ability to figure out how to play Connect Four without farking it up.


It was more like Connect Potato and they lost the rule book.
 
2012-11-20 02:27:22 PM
Enough is enough. It's time for Christie to switch parties.
 
2012-11-20 02:27:44 PM

MSFT: rufus-t-firefly: Dimensio: Is the "Obamaphone" a subset of "Obama's gifts", or does it require a separate listing?

THIS.

I need a detailed list. I voted for Obama in 2008 and didn't get anything, but I still voted for him this year, so I farking better get one of the gifts I keep hearing so farking much about.

The gift of republican tears is more than enough for me.
Well, that and the troll that promised to cut off his penis if Obama won.


I must have missed this.

I got a free Obama shirt when I was working with another campaign and helped them out in 08. Then someone stole it when I was washing it at the SO's friend's house. Yeah, I worked hard and earned that shirt and someone just came and took it away without doing anything for it.

Yet for some reason I voted for Obama again. Go figure, always voting against my own interests. :)

/I am an unmarried woman so maybe it was just that bag o' contraception that won my vote
 
2012-11-20 02:27:58 PM

StreetlightInTheGhetto: what_now: Tell me Mitt, why did you lose all of your home states again.

He just didn't sound sincere when he was complimenting the Trees in Michigan. Especially once it came out that he once punched a tree? Dude. You're like an abusive boyfriend, all complimenting the trees one minute and punching them the next.

/also Let Detroit Go Bankrupt etc.


He once got a couple guys together in high school to hold down a hedge and 'take a bit off the top'.
 
2012-11-20 02:27:59 PM
Is anyone surprised none of our resident shiat stirrers are avoiding this thread?
 
2012-11-20 02:28:11 PM

Granny_Panties: Enough is enough. It's time for Christie to switch parties.


Don't worry, Fox "news" is already planning to put a D next to his name from now on.
 
2012-11-20 02:28:30 PM
I challenge anyone to find a statistically relevant number of people who say they changed their vote from Romney to Obama because of anything to do with Christie.
 
2012-11-20 02:28:47 PM

Granny_Panties: Enough is enough. It's time for Christie to switch parties.


It really isn't.

I give the man props when he has them due, and not standing for BS is most often the reason I end up doing so. But no.
 
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