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2012-11-20 02:56:45 PM

olapbill: TheZorker: styckx: farkeruk: Apparantly, sales of Start8 are pretty good.

Believe it or not.. It's not even necessary..

Scary but Microsoft I think actually knew what they were doing here.. When I started using Windows 8 the first thing I did was start pinning shiat to the Taskbar.. Then it hit me.. "I never even used the Start Menu on Windows 7".. I just pinned important shiat to the Taskbar. Hell 90% of the time if I needed to get to the control panel I just clicked on a open folder and typed "Contr" let it auto complete and went to the control panel.

So, instead of pinning shiat to the Taskbar I'm pinning it to the Start Screen which doubles as a nice little hub of information..

Things I don't like. The Music app. I get MS is trying to force their service on you but it navigating my 70GB mp3 collection via their music app is a farking asshole nightmare.. XBMC, Winamp, hell WMP is such an easier way to do things.

But yeah.. Windows 8 is nice.. Another thing I like about it.. I've used the Windows key more than I ever have since that key was invented.. The shortcuts (Win-C for example) are handy as hell.

Dear Microsoft Shills.

I know this might come as a shock.

But no, Windows 8 isn't selling.



/still sucks

Wish I was a farking shill. Then they would pay me for it.


Yes as I dual boot LMDE on this PC with a LMDE build box next to it.. Total MS shill..

Or you know.. Just an honest user calling it like I see it..
 
2012-11-20 03:07:39 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Unless you can wring actual activation numbers out of Microsoft, you'd be wise to take any of their claimed sales figures with a very large grain of salt.


Well, considering that no matter what happens, roughly a million new PC's are sold every day, it won't take long for them to get an install base larger than any of the competition. What are they up to now for legitimate activations worldwide? I think it was somewhere between 1 and 1.4 billion users. Link

Whether you argue if the numbers are fudged, it's pretty easy to see they're still a behemoth when it comes to software sales.
 
2012-11-20 03:17:37 PM
I've been using Windows 8 since a couple days after launch. I like it. I've had a few small glitches, but all in all I like the speed boost, the efficiency of using the Start Menu as a launching pad (once you customize it properly) and the super-fast boot sequence.

There's a lot that's better under the hood, and if you like the Windows 7 feel you can always just stick to the normal Desktop.
 
2012-11-20 03:19:25 PM
One of the biggest features I love in Windows 8.

True multi-monitor support w/ the taskbar and even wallpaper.. I nearly shiat a brick.. I can finally retire Ultramon.
 
2012-11-20 03:22:52 PM
YOUR POST:

You said:

It has nothing do with "figuring it out". This insistence upon tying the server's interface to the same-generation client's interface is increasingly annoying. Not only does it obscure quick access to the more technical bits of the OS that more routinely require maintenance or changes, changing the fundamental interface itself has the potential to introduce new bugs and security problems.

To which I replied:

do you really expect MS to fork the codebase and look and feel because you can't figure out those two points I said? No, Exchange admins can spend 5 seconds pinning the shortcut to Exchange System Manager to the start screen until the exchange team makes exchange able to be administrated remotely

You said:

To some extent this is alleviated by the presence of Powershell and shortcuts run from the Run prompt, but that doesn't help the other issues it invites. Not to mention the fact that a lot of management on Server machines in an AD forest is actually done remotely now using a client machine running the Professional version of the current Windows client which means if you want all the remote management features for 2012, you'll probably need Windows 8 and all its retarded tile-y pointlessness.

AND

/ and there's always Core of course, but many things, such as Exchange, still aren't supported on Core

Which invalidates your Boobies since this has always been the case: command prompt and MMC are the admin interface to the server OS.

You said:

Which, of course, is the point. Microsoft continues to stupidly believe tech people are going to drop their Android and iOS devices for Windows phones and tablets to do remote management, which is about as likely to be something they can force as Milhouse becoming a meme. 

I said:

[you can] administer it via powershell and the Server Console app from an Admin PC. i.e. not from a windows phone. MS would probably like that, but nobody's saying they EXPECT it

News flash: the start menu is deprecated. It is silly to think they'd continue to put it on the server OS. Did you rage this hard when they dropped support for File Manager on the server OS?

/Maybe try reading my post before you accuse me of not reading yours. Derp.
 
2012-11-20 03:38:35 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Microsoft continues to stupidly believe tech people are going to drop their Android and iOS devices for Windows phones and tablets to do remote management


This is the craziest thing. It's like watching French generals in 1940 prancing around, confident that their Maginot line will repel any attack the Germans can muster.
 
2012-11-20 03:40:16 PM

gingerjet: No one has any real need to upgrade from to Windows 7.

 

/have XP at home, Vista at work, seen 7 run, no thanks.
 
2012-11-20 03:42:50 PM

randroid: derp**2


What part of "you have to move to Windows 8 client to use Server 2012 RSAT" is confusing you?
 
2012-11-20 03:44:33 PM
I have been running 8 on 2 of my laptops and 2 of my tv machines now for awhile.. to be honest.. i farkin love it... VERY VERY fast... zero issues.. and once you learn not to use the metro interface for anything its awesome...

BTW.. did a new machine for a customer last night and it boots in just over 7 seconds... they did very well on 8.. other than the interface
 
2012-11-20 03:47:23 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: randroid: derp**2

What part of "you have to move to Windows 8 client to use Server 2012 RSAT" is confusing you?


The part where you never actually said that?
 
2012-11-20 03:48:53 PM

macadamnut: gingerjet: No one has any real need to upgrade from to Windows 7. 

/have XP at home, Vista at work, seen 7 run, no thanks.


So seeing an OS lets you know you do not want to run it.

I waited until the last moment to go from 2000 to XP, tried vista for a few days, on a dual core machine with 2 gigs of memory when it was first released. I went back to xp.

Just for grins in 2009 i moved to a release candidate for windows 7, and it is night and day compared to xp. Runs faster on same hardware, everything thing was recognized. And oddly enough that old box has been relegated to my mother, and it has not seen a reinstall or blue screen in two years.
 
2012-11-20 03:54:47 PM

randroid: The part where you never actually said that?


Not to mention the fact that a lot of management on Server machines in an AD forest is actually done remotely now using a client machine running the Professional version of the current Windows client which means if you want all the remote management features for 2012, you'll probably need Windows 8 and all its retarded tile-y pointlessness.


Like I said, if you can't be bothered to read my posts, don't bother yourself with responding to them.
 
2012-11-20 03:56:59 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: randroid: The part where you never actually said that?

Not to mention the fact that a lot of management on Server machines in an AD forest is actually done remotely now using a client machine running the Professional version of the current Windows client which means if you want all the remote management features for 2012, you'll probably need Windows 8 and all its retarded tile-y pointlessness.

Like I said, if you can't be bothered to read my posts, don't bother yourself with responding to them.


To be fair, and I know neither one of you, in one sentence you stated a definitive while in the other you stated a conjecture.

Carry on, however.
 
2012-11-20 03:58:53 PM
It is like someone looked at the Xbox interface and saw it as something other than a clusterfark of tiles and said "this would work great on a PC".
 
2012-11-20 03:59:01 PM

Caelistis: To be fair, and I know neither one of you, in one sentence you stated a definitive while in the other you stated a conjecture.


True, but it's definitive and everybody who works in that world knows it. The newest RSAT tools always require the newest client.
 
2012-11-20 04:03:56 PM
So, this seems similar to what they have on Xbox Live.

More crap on the screen, whether I want it or not.

Am I wrong about this?
 
2012-11-20 04:04:19 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: randroid: The part where you never actually said that?

Not to mention the fact that a lot of management on Server machines in an AD forest is actually done remotely now using a client machine running the Professional version of the current Windows client which means if you want all the remote management features for 2012, you'll probably need Windows 8 and all its retarded tile-y pointlessness.

Like I said, if you can't be bothered to read my posts, don't bother yourself with responding to them.


Well, I don't see where in that snippet you say "you need windows 8 to use RSAT", but I'll allow it. Either way, how hard is it to join 1 Windows 8 workstation to the domain, and leave the rest windows 7? This shiat isn't rocket surgery.

However, I still don't see what this has to do with your original point of crying about metro on server 2012.

/Don't bother replying. You're on ignore, troll.
 
2012-11-20 04:04:25 PM

Vegan Meat Popsicle: Caelistis: To be fair, and I know neither one of you, in one sentence you stated a definitive while in the other you stated a conjecture.

True, but it's definitive and everybody who works in that world knows it. The newest RSAT tools always require the newest client.


You are absolutely correct in that statement. Which, right now, absolutely sucks. It's actually a good time for me to press the boss to move all of our stuff over to Linux. Nothing we do on the backend specifically requires a Windows machine.
 
2012-11-20 04:19:02 PM

MrSteve007: While it's not quite a converter, why convert? Microsoft supplies a 64-bit RAW codec that works perfectly Link.


Thanks for the tip, it doesn't work with our new Canon :(
 
2012-11-20 04:21:41 PM

Carth: It is like someone looked at the Xbox interface and saw it as something other than a clusterfark of tiles and said "this would work great on a PC".


Or the team who developed the Windows Media Center had their ideas ported to the Zune HD, which were then modified in Windows Phone 7 and Xbox, and then the company realized as touch devices become more prominent, spend tens of billions of dollars on R&D along with testing, and decided it makes sense to build a similar UI for all of their products (Gaming console, Phones, Desktops, Tablets, Laptops, & Servers).

Or they did as you say and just copied Xbox and said fark it.
 
2012-11-20 04:22:19 PM

BojanglesPaladin: MrSteve007: While it's not quite a converter, why convert? Microsoft supplies a 64-bit RAW codec that works perfectly Link.

Thanks for the tip, it doesn't work with our new Canon :(


Really, which model? I works with my 5D mII.
 
2012-11-20 04:22:43 PM

randroid: but I'll allow it


You'll "allow it"? You're "allow", what? The fact that Microsoft is following the exact same release policies they have since at least Server 2003?

So, basically, after all that jawing what it comes down to is that you know nothing about Windows Server yet you feel justified in shooting your mouth off about what is or is not a solid design decision for admins regarding the newest release.

Caelistis: You are absolutely correct in that statement. Which, right now, absolutely sucks. It's actually a good time for me to press the boss to move all of our stuff over to Linux. Nothing we do on the backend specifically requires a Windows machine.


SQL and Exchange are pretty much the lynchpins of our organization. The former could be adequately replaced, but we have no talent on board capable of using anything else and the latter is pretty much all there is if you know robust calendaring and mail. We could move off of IIS if not for the fact that two of our vertical apps continue to use ASP classic (and I will not fark about with the FOSS Apache module for it). And, of course, there's always the fact that in a shop heavy with Windows clients you lose an assload of management capabilities if you don't use an AD structure. 

I don't mind Windows, but Server 2003 was the pinnacle of the GUI on the server side as far as I'm concerned. Like Windows Vista/7, 2008 and 2008 R2 introduced unnecessary layers that only served to get in the way and Server 2012 really kicks that completely broken design philosophy into high gear.

That said, thank god for keyboard shortcuts, .cpls and PowerShell.
 
2012-11-20 04:45:12 PM
I used Windows ME. I used Vista. I happened to like Vista (after sp 1). Windows 8 is no ME/Vista.

Windows 8 is their biggest turd ever. I know I am biased though. I absolutely hate the xbox UI with constant ads being pushed in your face and actual xbox features hidden in tiny text up top. The Windows 8 phone ui looks ridiculous. Now, I only used Windows 8 for about an hour but that was enough for me to form my expert opinion. Not gonna touch it.

Are people also aware that Windows 8 basically reports back to MS every URL you visit, every program you download and install? Who knows what else. For your safety, citizen. fark that shiat, man.
 
2012-11-20 04:59:10 PM
I've used 8 for a while, and I can say with some certainty that the complainers are just hatin'. It's got a LOT going for it, and a lot that works really well.

NB, I do have multiple monitors, which changes the calculus a little bit. But seriously, it's really, really, really not that bad.
 
2012-11-20 05:37:48 PM
btw.. What stores are selling the Surface RT? Every place that sells every tech device available doesn't sell the Surface Tablets..

Does MS expect people to blindly purchase a $500 device?
 
2012-11-20 05:37:54 PM
We've started installing W8 at work on the PCs.

It's bad.

It's really bad.
 
2012-11-20 05:40:50 PM

swaxhog: I used Windows ME. I used Vista. I happened to like Vista (after sp 1). Windows 8 is no ME/Vista.

Windows 8 is their biggest turd ever. I know I am biased though. I absolutely hate the xbox UI with constant ads being pushed in your face and actual xbox features hidden in tiny text up top. The Windows 8 phone ui looks ridiculous. Now, I only used Windows 8 for about an hour but that was enough for me to form my expert opinion. Not gonna touch it.

Are people also aware that Windows 8 basically reports back to MS every URL you visit, every program you download and install? Who knows what else. For your safety, citizen. fark that shiat, man.


You can opt out of that. Also, you realize that Google does that to you via Chrome, right?
 
2012-11-20 05:42:36 PM

MrSteve007: Really, which model? I works with my 5D mII.


Canon Rebel t4i. I haven't run the issue to the ground yet, but I tried the MS one with no luck. 64bit seems to be part of the issue, but I haven't spent a load of time on it yet.
 
2012-11-20 05:52:15 PM

styckx: btw.. What stores are selling the Surface RT? Every place that sells every tech device available doesn't sell the Surface Tablets..

Does MS expect people to blindly purchase a $500 device?


I believe it's only at the Microsoft Stores for now. Link
 
2012-11-20 05:56:34 PM
Failing to heed Jakob Nielsen because his website looks "dated" is like failing to heed Nate Silver because he looks "effeminate". It's the factual observations that have you upset, not some guy's personal opinions.

Many of the usability problems catalogued in this report are not simply attributable to the users' unfamiliarity with a new interface; they won't just disappear over time.

Until Microsoft releases an update so that interactive and non-interactive elements are more easily distinguishable at a glance, that will always be a frustrating usability problem.

Until app developers choose to reel in their live-tile ADD -- or Microsoft forces the issue to via design regulations -- the Start screen will always be a seizure-inducing morass of flashy, meaningless emptiness.
 
2012-11-20 06:29:13 PM

poot_rootbeer: Until Microsoft releases an update so that interactive and non-interactive elements are more easily distinguishable at a glance, that will always be a frustrating usability problem.


This. A thousand times this.

While I do think the Start Screen versus the Start Menu is not an improvement, that's more an issue of personal preference that I can deal with. What I CANNOT chalk up to personal preference is the fact that key elements of the OS interface are accessible only via gestures, with NO visual indicators as to where the mouse cursor needs to be placed for things to magically appear. The only way to find these things out is to be told. That is a CRITICAL flaw in trying to make a user-friendly interface, and not something that you can chalk up to "unfamiliarity".

Think about when they introduced the Start Menu: the entire purpose of it was to give people an obvious route to using their computer. Hell, it even said "START" on the damn button. For all its faults, you take anyone literate with an IQ above 60 and sit them down in front of a computer running Windows 95, they'll figure out what button to push to find all their programs. And while I would like to say that we as a society have advanced to the point where computer illiteracy is a rare problem, that is not the case. You still have a lot of people who do not understand computers, who feel unfamiliar with computers, and who frankly are not likely to change in those areas. Making key system maintenance functions not just subtle, but outright counter-intuitive to find, is NOT the way to make a user-friendly interface.

There's also the issue of mandatory gestures, like click and drag to open the login screen. Works great on a fondleslab (snert), completely counterintuitive on a mouse. If I wanted a tablet interface, I'D OWN A TABLET. This on top of the issues that new users are going to have with this kind of stuff.

Regardless of the technical improvements behind Windows 8, the user interface issues make it a big no-no as far as I'm concerned, at least for a desktop environment. Unhide the always-hidden indicators, make gestures an OPTION, and then I'd be a lot less stand-offish.
 
2012-11-20 06:36:36 PM

gingerjet: No one has any real need to upgrade from Windows 7.


Not yet anyway. But the day may come when you can't buy regular Windows software anymore but instead have to buy an app from the online store. An app that is designed to run in the hideous new Windows 8 interface.

I run the Windows 8 consumer preview on my home PC. The first thing I do after the PC boots up is switch back to the regular familiar desktop environment. After that it's great - fast, stable and surprisingly glitch free considering it's a pre-release version. Maybe they have added some bugs for the final version.
 
2012-11-20 06:40:47 PM

ghare: WIndows 8 is fine, Vista was fine too if you weren't a booger-eating moron trying to run it with 512k.


How about 2 GB without the boogers? It still ran like shiat. I believe that a series of updates has since solved the problems with Vista, and of course these were later released as Windows 7. Windows 8 takes some getting used to - I still find the new interface clumsy, at least on a non-touch screen PC. But apart from that it appears to be a good version - rocket fast to boot from a cold start as well.
 
2012-11-20 06:41:22 PM
Cable free for about a year, here. The Mrs. was the only one who watched much TV; my daughter and I spent most of our time online. My wife finally asked me to cut the cable as she didn't think we were getting our money's worth - too much crap she didn't want to watch and not enough that she did.

Hulu, Netflix and the occasional movie rental seem to provide enough content for her. She also reads a lot more than she used to.
 
2012-11-20 06:43:14 PM

Mitt Romneys Tax Return: Nonsense that has nothing to do with Win 8


Damn, posted in the wrong thread. Oh, to have an edit button.
 
2012-11-20 06:55:13 PM
"The worst gesture might be the one to reveal the list of currently running applications: you need to first swipe from the screen's left edge, and then immediately reverse direction and do a small swipe the other way, and finally make a 90-degree turn to move your finger to a thumbnail of the desired application. The slightest mistake in any of these steps gives you a different result," Nielsen said."

This is an annoying default behavior, but there is a slider in the settings that changes the behavior so that a simple swipe from the side reveals the app list without needing to do the weird reverse swipe.

I've been using a Surface for a project at work, and I've found it to be an interesting OS for tablets. There are some nice things they have done with it, but some things about the OS are just odd and drive me batty.

1. The Mail client doesn't do POP3. There is a way to work around it, but that is just odd to leave out.

2. The back gesture on IE should be a multifinger swipe. With it as a single finger swipe, it is way to easy to accidentally go back a page. This is compounded by the fact that IE for WinRT loads hefty WebPages like long Fark threads REALLY slow, and there is a huge pause when you zoom. The browser is also very crashy if you don't periodically close it by doing a swipe from the top to the bottom of the screen.

3. To get to the screen time out and sleep settings, which are very aggressive by default, you have to go to the Desktop and dig into the old control panel. Why isn't something as important as this exposed in the Metro control panel.

4. No desktop apps in the Store. The whole advantage of Win RT over an Android tablet or an iPad us that that you can easily do regular work as you are accustomed if you drop into the desktop UI and open Office. If you could install other desktop apps, this would make the Surface an awesome travel tablet for work. The Pro version takes care of this by using an i5 instead of a Tegra, but there really should be desktop apps distributed via the store as well. Not only does it increase the flexibility of WinRT but it would also make Win 8 much safer for people like my grandmother to use.

5. For laptops and desktops without a touch screen, they really need to autodetect the lack of a touch screen on install and reconfigure the system to be more mouse friendly from the get go. I shouldn't have to dig down into the bowels of the Windows folder just to pin the Desktop version of IE to the Start Screen. Common desktop apps should be moved front and center if the installer doesn't see a touch screen. Similarly, there should have been other UI tweaks done to make things work better with a mouse and keyboard, such as adding little X boxes in the upper right corners of the apps in the sidebar so you can close them without having to right click on each of the apps. There just needs to be some tweaking to remove the mystery meat from the navigation.

I really almost wish that RT never happened, and they instead just scaled up Win Phone 8 into a tablet OS now that it has an NT based kernel. Add a Metro version of Office similar to what's on the phone, and you'd be golden. The new Start should almost have been optional for desktop and laptop users, only enabled if they had a touch screen.
 
2012-11-20 07:01:17 PM

Mercutio74: I don't see the problem. You're supposed to skip every other release. 95 was good, 98 was horrible, XP was good, Vista was not, Windows 7 is good, and 8 is an aesthetic disaster... When 9 comes out, I'll start running it on my computers.


You got the idea right but the versions wrong. 95 version A sucked (no USB support), version B was good, 98 was bad, 98 Second Edition was good ME was bad.
 
2012-11-20 07:59:47 PM

Marine1: swaxhog:

You can opt out of that. Also, you realize that Google does that to you via Chrome, right?

I

know that I can opt out. I'm rather savvy. My computer is locked down so hard, the 7 Proxies guy is in awe. I'm opting right out of that green mess. However, the teeming millions don't know. I'm also not a drooling idiot who would willing use Chrome, or at least a version not compiled to remove all that shiat. Google knows the absolute minimum on me.

I could keep ranting but I realize it's just the anger from dealing with a dickhead boss today. BLARGH.

peace.
 
2012-11-20 08:09:34 PM

poot_rootbeer: Failing to heed Jakob Nielsen because his website looks "dated" is like failing to heed Nate Silver because he looks "effeminate". It's the factual observations that have you upset, not some guy's personal opinions.

Many of the usability problems catalogued in this report are not simply attributable to the users' unfamiliarity with a new interface; they won't just disappear over time.


Ummm... no. His website demonstrates quite clearly a lack of understanding of Fitt's Law, the primary motive force in modern UI theory. It completely invalidates his points as it shows he does not understand UI design at all. Fitt's Law is the reason behind the much of the iPhone, Android, and yes Windows 8 UI decisions, but it first became necessary knowledge in web design and is one of the reasons Google did so well with its web presence.

Fitt's Law is what is timeless. Unfamiliarity does disappear with time. In fact, much of the UI of Windows 8 incorporates the "effective infinity" of Fitt's Law on boundaries that make usability increase tremendously once familiarity sets in. These are often the same features that people are still learning.
 
2012-11-20 08:18:18 PM

MrSteve007: styckx: btw.. What stores are selling the Surface RT? Every place that sells every tech device available doesn't sell the Surface Tablets..

Does MS expect people to blindly purchase a $500 device?

I believe it's only at the Microsoft Stores for now. Link


What the hell is that about? I've been using Android devices on a regular basis since 2010 and even when I bought the Nexus 7 I still drove to a store to hold it and test drive it first.

Are people seriously buying Surface tablets sight unseen without test driving it?
 
2012-11-20 09:31:11 PM

styckx: MrSteve007: styckx: btw.. What stores are selling the Surface RT? Every place that sells every tech device available doesn't sell the Surface Tablets..

Does MS expect people to blindly purchase a $500 device?

I believe it's only at the Microsoft Stores for now. Link

What the hell is that about? I've been using Android devices on a regular basis since 2010 and even when I bought the Nexus 7 I still drove to a store to hold it and test drive it first.

Are people seriously buying Surface tablets sight unseen without test driving it?


You live in a time when people will not only do that, but will sit outside a store for days in order to do so. See: Apple.
 
2012-11-20 10:21:51 PM

olapbill: styckx: I'm going to do something on the internet that is rarely done.

My name is Bill and I was wrong about Windows 8 and based my constant flaming of Windows 8 on a the vocal minority without even trying it.

Now then.. I decided to buy the $40 upgrade and used it as a full install.. Umm.. Yeah.. It's actually not bad.. Not bad at all. I haven't even installed a Start Menu replacement because I honestly have no idea for it.. The Start Screen is pretty farking handy..

well saved me from having to post the exact same thing. Off to get a RT tablet as well this weekend.


If you're off to buy the RT tablet, why aren't you getting it until this weekend? Do you have to drive a long distance to obtain it?
 
2012-11-20 11:10:08 PM

meatofmystery: oh look, another MS sucks thread.

/never had a problem with windo....
//sh*t, i just remembered Vista...
///ok, aside from Vista, honestly I've never had a problem with Windows


gingerjet: No one has any real need to upgrade from Windows 7.


I'll wait until they overhaul 8 and call it 9.
 
2012-11-20 11:27:42 PM
If anybody wants Windows 8, you can get it for $14.99 by following the instructions in this reddit thread. I just did it this evening and it still works.

Link
 
2012-11-20 11:41:44 PM

ex0du5: Fitt's Law [...] first became necessary knowledge in web design


Wat

It's good that you've heard of Fitts' Law, but there's more to it than "screen edges have effectively infinite size". I recommend the following exercises:

1. Take Tog's quiz.

2. Consider what innovations in UI have taken place since 1999, and what impact they have on usability guidelines, in particular:
a. The ascendance of pointer-less user interfaces, e.g. touch screens
b. The effective size and distance metrics involved in gesture-based controls
 
2012-11-21 09:03:09 AM

Oakenshield: olapbill: styckx: I'm going to do something on the internet that is rarely done.

My name is Bill and I was wrong about Windows 8 and based my constant flaming of Windows 8 on a the vocal minority without even trying it.

Now then.. I decided to buy the $40 upgrade and used it as a full install.. Umm.. Yeah.. It's actually not bad.. Not bad at all. I haven't even installed a Start Menu replacement because I honestly have no idea for it.. The Start Screen is pretty farking handy..

well saved me from having to post the exact same thing. Off to get a RT tablet as well this weekend.

If you're off to buy the RT tablet, why aren't you getting it until this weekend? Do you have to drive a long distance to obtain it?


Not really. But I want to do a little more research on the models. See which ones may come with a keyboard/dock out of box or through mail in offers. Plus I'm not sold on RT vs straight WIndows 8 tablet.
 
2012-11-21 11:40:34 AM
Right now I have 5 windows open, all visible, all sized differently. Is it true that this is not possible in Windows 8? If so, how do I get a Photoshop window to take up 20% of the screen on the right and a 3DS window taking up 80% of the screen on the left. I constantly need to reference other windows while working in a different program.

How many clicks does it take to go from one open program to another open program? Currently it takes me 1 click.

How many open programs and folder tasks are visible at any given time? If I'm editing an audio file, will I be able to see which other programs and folders are currently open and navigate to them with a single click?
 
2012-11-21 01:20:06 PM

ghare: WIndows 8 is fine, Vista was fine too if you weren't a booger-eating moron trying to run it with 512k.


Windows 8 is fine if you just want to sit around watching the youtubes on the tablet. Windows 8 is NOT fine for academic or business settings, also known as "the multi-million dollar accounts."

Right now I have open: 3 explorer windows, a direct command-driven AS400 link to our DWH, a GUI-driven interface to our DWH, my e-mail client, WMP, Firefox, and 5 SPSS files - 3 data, 1 output, 1 syntax. You think that shiat is gonna fly on W8?

Thank god my organization is so far behind the times they only just started to move from XP to 7 over the summer.
 
2012-11-21 01:27:10 PM

bikerific: So, this seems similar to what they have on Xbox Live.

More crap on the screen, whether I want it or not.

Am I wrong about this?


I would definitely say the Xbox rollout was the real beta for W8. I farking hate the current Xbox interface.
 
2012-11-21 03:55:08 PM

extroverted_suicide: ghare: WIndows 8 is fine, Vista was fine too if you weren't a booger-eating moron trying to run it with 512k.

Windows 8 is fine if you just want to sit around watching the youtubes on the tablet. Windows 8 is NOT fine for academic or business settings, also known as "the multi-million dollar accounts."

Right now I have open: 3 explorer windows, a direct command-driven AS400 link to our DWH, a GUI-driven interface to our DWH, my e-mail client, WMP, Firefox, and 5 SPSS files - 3 data, 1 output, 1 syntax. You think that shiat is gonna fly on W8?

Thank god my organization is so far behind the times they only just started to move from XP to 7 over the summer.


And you can still do all those same things in windows 8 on the desktop but with the added bonus of a quick and glance start menu that with live tiles gives you a quick glance of what is going on for entertainment or if your company has created its own metro apps you can run 2 of them side by side while continuing to use all the same apps you have running on your desktop. You also have the added bonus that when hitting the windows key start typing and instant search pulls up your results.

/MS needs to give everyone a 90 day trial so this nonsense of not being able to get any work done goes away.
 
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