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2012-11-20 11:09:19 AM  
i253.photobucket.comOnce again the Academy has turned a blind eye to "Them Tiki Thingamabobs" at this point I am almost completely out of scandal, outrage, and strongly-worded letters.
 
2012-11-20 11:17:23 AM  
I really enjoyed the Wonder Woman comic books.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:46 AM  
Ah, "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

/Solo looks good. I trust Brian K. Vaughan after Runaways, Ex Machina, and Y.
//Wonder Woman? Seriously? Nothing from DC's nu52 abortion is good. Wonder how much WB paid to have that included?
 
2012-11-20 12:39:11 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".


What? Ok, whatever.
I don't know about "released this year" but in our store there's a few staples we keep around because they constantly sell.
Blankets.
Aquaman from DC52 (Ya, never thought I'd say that Aquaman is a must read)
Saga
Anything from Johnathon Hickman (Red Wing, Manhattan Projects, Nightly News)
Fables
Sandman still sells extremely well.
Hickman's run on Fantastic Four.
Matt Fractions Iron Man.
The Underwater Welder is outstanding
A God Somewhere (better than Chronicle)
 
2012-11-20 12:45:42 PM  

Zombie DJ: FirstNationalBastard: "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

What? Ok, whatever.


No, no, you're right. "graphic novel" is actually a buzzword generally misused by pretentious hipsters to legitimize the fact that they're reading comic books.

It has a place and a definition, but a collection of Spawn issues is not a graphic novel.

/Joe Kubert's Jew Gangster was a graphic novel.
//What did come out this year? I pretty much sat out 2012, comics-wise. I know some great DC Archives have been released, and just ordered Sgt. Rock vol. 4.
 
2012-11-20 12:53:08 PM  

Zombie DJ: What? Ok, whatever.
I don't know about "released this year" but in our store there's a few staples we keep around because they constantly sell.


I'm picking up Saga next time I swing by my local store based on the recommendations from the article and you, thanks.

It's a bit more YA oriented, but this came out this year and it's gorgeous:

www.comicsbulletin.com
 
2012-11-20 02:38:06 PM  
I just can't get into comic books. Stephen Kings "Silver Bullet" was the last one that caught my interest.
 
2012-11-20 02:39:35 PM  
I stopped reading books that needed pictures when I was a child.
 
2012-11-20 02:41:10 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I stopped reading books that needed pictures when I was a child.


They were too highbrow and intelligent for you, eh?
 
2012-11-20 02:45:08 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I stopped reading books that needed pictures when I was a child.


You've missed a lot of good movies.
 
2012-11-20 02:49:28 PM  
Saga is pretty incredible.

I'm a little surprised Chris Ware's Building Stories wasn't included.
 
2012-11-20 03:02:56 PM  
 
2012-11-20 03:03:39 PM  
img.sparknotes.com

Great book from the author of Sweet Tooth and Essex County. I really enjoyed the artwork and the Twilight Zone-ish story. Worth checking out.
 
2012-11-20 03:19:08 PM  
Everypony get ready!! 1st issue of MLP comes out next week!

jk...

I personally recommend American Vampire if you haven't read it yet.
 
2012-11-20 03:20:49 PM  
I like graphic novel and I'm neither a hipster or pretentious. There's nothing wrong with reading a great story that has comic type panels. I like the works of Neil Gaiman, Alan Moore, Art Spiegelman, and dozens of other great story tellers. It's the douche who refuses to see that it's the story that counts. Not the teller.
 
2012-11-20 03:21:18 PM  
Been trying to get back into comics lately now that I found a farking shop that doesn't smell like farking navel cheese around me. Earth One Batman and the lamented Madame Xanadu stuff were good; Terry Moore's Echo was fun - haven't caught up to Rachel Rising yet. I have volume 1 of The Unwritten sitting in the other room waiting for me, I'm told that's supposed to be excellent.

Was considering Saga; of the ones in the linked list, it's the only one that caught my eye.
 
2012-11-20 03:24:32 PM  

Smeggy Smurf: I stopped reading books that needed pictures when I was a child.


Hm. I stopped trying to get attention by being annoying when I was a child. Fascinating.
 
2012-11-20 03:30:33 PM  
These three are a good place to start.

upload.wikimedia.org
upload.wikimedia.org
ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-11-20 03:36:04 PM  
And I recommend branching out from there to these:

torontopubliclibrary.typepad.com
upload.wikimedia.org
comicattack.net

...and see where they take you.
 
2012-11-20 03:37:32 PM  
In case anyone is interested, Nausicaa has recently been re-released with a new box set. Two very nice looking and sturdy hardcovers holding the entire series.

ecx.images-amazon.com

Link
 
2012-11-20 03:42:05 PM  
Some light study material (which should be taught in school):

upload.wikimedia.org
d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net
 
2012-11-20 03:42:54 PM  
I missed them all.. havn't read comic books since i was like 7...
 
2012-11-20 03:47:21 PM  
Blankets is the only book ever that literally made me cry. I don't mean well up; I mean full on tears streaming down my face. Craig Thompson's life has been so similar to mine I thought he must have stolen my journals as a kid. I was raised Evangelical, lived on the edge of a small town with no friends except my brother, so in my solitude I took up drawing. I fell in love with the photograph of a girl I met at Bible camp, and then had deep, troubling thoughts about my faith as I approached college age.

It is my only real tradition to read that book cover to cover every year on Christmas day.
 
2012-11-20 03:51:39 PM  
I am amused by the perception that comics are all like "X-Men". Sequential art is pervasive and takes on many forms in many media...and yet the idea that comics have to be 8 panel, 3 color, 12 page rags still persists.
 
2012-11-20 04:03:07 PM  

kumanoki: Some light study material (which should be taught in school):

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x347]
[d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net image 600x779]



I enjoyed understanding comics.
 
My favorite comic long-form comic is the Life A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron series and my favorite collection is Doofus Omnibus which is the Citizen Kane of panty-sniffing.
 
2012-11-20 04:10:50 PM  

brap: kumanoki: Some light study material (which should be taught in school):

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x347]
[d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net image 600x779]


I enjoyed understanding comics.
 
My favorite comic long-form comic is the Life A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron series and my favorite collection is Doofus Omnibus which is the Citizen Kane of panty-sniffing.


Oh, hey, if we're getting into the cheesecake, I'm fond of the work of Milo Manara of Heavy Metal fame. And if any of you are furries and want to know where it all started, I recommend going back to where it all started- omaha, The Cat Dancer.
 
2012-11-20 04:14:08 PM  
Nice article there, subby. Added Crackle of the Frost, Saga 1 and Wonder Woman: Blood to the ol' Amazon list, and Underwater Welder from Gunny Highway's recommendation. Thanks!
 
2012-11-20 04:18:55 PM  
Our local library has picked up all of the New 52 compilations and I've got to say I've been impressed with some of the more non-mainstream titles. Suicide Squad and Catwoman were well done and I did like the Wonder Woman story even though it changes her entire origin. The big guns weren't as impressive except for Batman: Congress of Owls. JLA seemed forced and the Superman titles were a little weak.
 
2012-11-20 04:21:21 PM  

kumanoki: brap: kumanoki: Some light study material (which should be taught in school):

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x347]
[d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net image 600x779]


I enjoyed understanding comics.
 
My favorite comic long-form comic is the Life A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron series and my favorite collection is Doofus Omnibus which is the Citizen Kane of panty-sniffing.

Oh, hey, if we're getting into the cheesecake, I'm fond of the work of Milo Manara of Heavy Metal fame. And if any of you are furries and want to know where it all started, I recommend going back to where it all started- omaha, The Cat Dancer.


While the original Omaha strips predate it, I'd say Albedo Athropomorphics is the real genesis point of the adult furry genre.
 
2012-11-20 04:24:28 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Our local library has picked up all of the New 52 compilations and I've got to say I've been impressed with some of the more non-mainstream titles. Suicide Squad and Catwoman were well done and I did like the Wonder Woman story even though it changes her entire origin. The big guns weren't as impressive except for Batman: Congress of Owls. JLA seemed forced and the Superman titles were a little weak.


OK, let me ask you this. I'm a huge Harley Quinn fan, have been ever since Mad Love. Should I bother trying Suicide Squad, or am I just going to be driven into a murderous rage?
 
2012-11-20 04:24:44 PM  

Arachnophobe: Nice article there, subby. Added Crackle of the Frost, Saga 1 and Wonder Woman: Blood to the ol' Amazon list, and Underwater Welder from Gunny Highway's recommendation. Thanks!


Enjoy!
 
2012-11-20 04:28:20 PM  
Druuna snubbed again?
 
2012-11-20 04:31:35 PM  

LowbrowDeluxe: kumanoki: brap: kumanoki: Some light study material (which should be taught in school):

[upload.wikimedia.org image 225x347]
[d1466nnw0ex81e.cloudfront.net image 600x779]


I enjoyed understanding comics.
 
My favorite comic long-form comic is the Life A Velvet Glove Cast In Iron series and my favorite collection is Doofus Omnibus which is the Citizen Kane of panty-sniffing.

Oh, hey, if we're getting into the cheesecake, I'm fond of the work of Milo Manara of Heavy Metal fame. And if any of you are furries and want to know where it all started, I recommend going back to where it all started- omaha, The Cat Dancer.

While the original Omaha strips predate it, I'd say Albedo Athropomorphics is the real genesis point of the adult furry genre.


I will have to defer to your knowledge of adult furrydom. The extent of my knowledge stops at Omaha and the other non-furry titles released under the late Kitchen Sink Press.
 
2012-11-20 04:33:21 PM  

Fano: Druuna snubbed again?


Oh, Druuna...heavy metal in the '90's would have been nothing without you....
 
2012-11-20 04:36:40 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

/Solo looks good. I trust Brian K. Vaughan after Runaways, Ex Machina, and Y.
//Wonder Woman? Seriously? Nothing from DC's nu52 abortion is good. Wonder how much WB paid to have that included?


Not even. Its people trying to justify their hobby and make it appear more socially acceptable.

My name is Cyno01, and i read comic books.
 
2012-11-20 04:39:55 PM  
Oh! And this. SO MUCH THIS:

www.theinventionofhugocabret.com

This is a BRILLIANT novel. For those of you who scoff at graphic novels, it's written half and half, so you can enjoy reading pages full of text, and marvel at the beautiful illustrations that lace the book. It's historical fiction about a fantastic man, and Sorcese did an masterful job translating it to the screen.
 
2012-11-20 04:40:07 PM  

Arachnophobe: Anderson's Pooper: Our local library has picked up all of the New 52 compilations and I've got to say I've been impressed with some of the more non-mainstream titles. Suicide Squad and Catwoman were well done and I did like the Wonder Woman story even though it changes her entire origin. The big guns weren't as impressive except for Batman: Congress of Owls. JLA seemed forced and the Superman titles were a little weak.

OK, let me ask you this. I'm a huge Harley Quinn fan, have been ever since Mad Love. Should I bother trying Suicide Squad, or am I just going to be driven into a murderous rage?


If you're a classic Harley fan, then yeah -- the take on her in Suicide Squad probably isn't for you.

Truthfully, I'm not sure *who* that book is for.
 
2012-11-20 04:42:13 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, "graphic novels", codeword for "comic books."


Fixed.
 
2012-11-20 04:43:24 PM  
I missed them because I'm too busy having sex, NERDS.

/totally a nerd
//not into graphic novels
///but my kid is
 
2012-11-20 04:47:44 PM  

kumanoki: Oh! And this. SO MUCH THIS:

[www.theinventionofhugocabret.com image 240x356]

This is a BRILLIANT novel. For those of you who scoff at graphic novels, it's written half and half, so you can enjoy reading pages full of text, and marvel at the beautiful illustrations that lace the book. It's historical fiction about a fantastic man, and Sorcese did an masterful job translating it to the screen.


Holy Cow I spotted that last month in a Philly comic shop and was astonished to see what inspired the movie. Great mixture.
 
2012-11-20 04:51:10 PM  
I'm fascinated by the history of sequential art, 'comic books', graphic novels, etc.

There's some amazing shiat out there from the '30s and '40s that will make your head spin.

Extra credit for die hard comic officiandos:

www.sandiegomagazine.com

And for the batshiat crazy lulz:

ecx.images-amazon.com
 
2012-11-20 05:03:08 PM  
The webcomic Endtown was published in two books this year. I am friends with the artist/author, and I have two signed copies. Great series, if depressing as hell at times.
 
2012-11-20 05:03:47 PM  
I'm a big fan of comic books, but "graphic novels" tend to be too pretentious for my tastes. Often I don't see the reason for the book being a graphic novel instead of a literary novel -- Maus is about the only graphic novel I've read that actually needed to be told in comic art (the animal metaphors would never have translated to print).

I especially hate stuff like Persepolis. What the fark is that? Poorly illustrated, self-indulgent and boring-as-fark. I farking hate autobiographical shiat, especially when it comes from people who haven't farking done anything except write about themselves. Oooh, she lived through the Iranian revolution as a child. Big whoopdy doo. And then you get the people who haven't even lived through interesting shiat, drawing up their memoirs of a middle-class suburban life. farking pretentious twaddle.

I wouldn't find it nearly so offensive if the farks who promote this stuff didn't feel the constant need to remind everyone that they're "smarter" and more "artistic" than that silly super-hero stuff. Bite me, hipster douchebags. The spandex soap-operas are a hell of lot more entertaining than reading your poorly illustrated self-indulgent wankfest.
 
2012-11-20 05:14:13 PM  

skepticultist: I'm a big fan of comic books, but "graphic novels" tend to be too pretentious for my tastes. Often I don't see the reason for the book being a graphic novel instead of a literary novel -- Maus is about the only graphic novel I've read that actually needed to be told in comic art (the animal metaphors would never have translated to print).

I especially hate stuff like Persepolis. What the fark is that? Poorly illustrated, self-indulgent and boring-as-fark. I farking hate autobiographical shiat, especially when it comes from people who haven't farking done anything except write about themselves. Oooh, she lived through the Iranian revolution as a child. Big whoopdy doo. And then you get the people who haven't even lived through interesting shiat, drawing up their memoirs of a middle-class suburban life. farking pretentious twaddle.

I wouldn't find it nearly so offensive if the farks who promote this stuff didn't feel the constant need to remind everyone that they're "smarter" and more "artistic" than that silly super-hero stuff. Bite me, hipster douchebags. The spandex soap-operas are a hell of lot more entertaining than reading your poorly illustrated self-indulgent wankfest.


You need to go to a new shop. Never notice any of this.
 
2012-11-20 05:17:31 PM  
I can't say I was missing them.
 
2012-11-20 05:23:59 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: //Wonder Woman? Seriously? Nothing from DC's nu52 abortion is good. Wonder how much WB paid to have that included?


Yeah, this. The current WW run can be the most awesome run ever, but I'll never read it because the nu52 sucks monkey balls.
 
2012-11-20 05:36:03 PM  
the best thing I've read in years would have to be "Before Watchmen: The MinuteMen" by Darwyn Cooke.

Issue #4 in particular is simply amazing.
 
2012-11-20 06:17:26 PM  

Stratohead: the best thing I've read in years would have to be "Before Watchmen: The MinuteMen" by Darwyn Cooke.

Issue #4 in particular is simply amazing.


I have to give him some credit. I did not think the BW series would be good, but his has been just a great read. I do also like the Veidt one. I heard the others are weaker but haven't read.
 
2012-11-20 06:23:48 PM  
Saga is a wonderful book. It's deeply weird, but once you just decide to run with the insanity it is a great ride. I just love the amount of personality they give the characters, even Lying Cat who is hilarious with just one line of dialogue.

I also really liked the new Wonder Woman, but I stopped picking it up after the initial story arc. I'm going to have to pick up some more issues when Comixology has another $1 sale on the title.

I've also really liked Saucer Country this year. It is an interesting take on UFO mythology, although I really want to see the story start moving a little faster.
 
2012-11-20 06:43:07 PM  
the last graphic novel I bought
i17.photobucket.com
BACK IN 1990!
still have it just started rereading it the other day
 
2012-11-20 06:45:53 PM  
As someone who trashed the Watchmen movie threads here on Fark when it came out in mid/late winter '09, full disclosure.

I picked up a used copy of the book this past summer. It was intriguing enough that I read it twice, but underwhelming enough that I'm glad I only paid 50 cents for it. Also picked up a used dvd of the movie. Visually? Fairly cool. Overall? POS.
 
2012-11-20 07:13:50 PM  

Arachnophobe: OK, let me ask you this. I'm a huge Harley Quinn fan, have been ever since Mad Love. Should I bother trying Suicide Squad, or am I just going to be driven into a murderous rage?


I've definitely got Volume 2 on my checklist. Driven into a murderous rage would be appropriate, puddin'.
 
2012-11-20 07:28:34 PM  

Anderson's Pooper: Arachnophobe: OK, let me ask you this. I'm a huge Harley Quinn fan, have been ever since Mad Love. Should I bother trying Suicide Squad, or am I just going to be driven into a murderous rage?

I've definitely got Volume 2 on my checklist. Driven into a murderous rage would be appropriate, puddin'.


I'm so confused now.

But $10 on Amazon is a reasonable gamble.

/csb: Arleen Sorkin once called me Puddin'. :D
 
2012-11-20 07:45:01 PM  

Gunny Highway: You need to go to a new shop. Never notice any of this.


Oh, I never encounter that crap in comic book shops. Only online, and whenever a mainstream media outlet like NPR discusses graphic novels.
 
2012-11-20 07:58:12 PM  
Saga isn't that great. It is very web comic-y, and reminds me of an even more hipstery Evan Dahm (Rice boy, Vattu.) They were right to flag Wonder Woman, though, because it has been great. The first arc of Batman Inc vol 2 has been great thus far but is uncollected as of yet, but the real winner of the new 52 is China Mieville's Dial H. I can not stress enough how wonderful that series is.
 
2012-11-20 08:29:53 PM  

PonceAlyosha: China Mieville's Dial H. I can not stress enough how wonderful that series is.


I haven't been enjoying it as much as I was hoping. The storytelling is just... sloppy. It just feels like one big giant mess of mysterious characters with mysterious powers doing mysterious things. I've been enjoying "Saga" much more, if only because they do a really good job establishing it visually. The story is only so-so, the dialogue gets a little Whedon-y, but the visual design of the book is killer.
 
2012-11-20 08:57:36 PM  

Der Poopflinger: the last graphic novel I bought

BACK IN 1990!
still have it just started rereading it the other day


Oh man, you should the Aliens: Labyrinth story that Jim Wooding wrote in 93. Weird, heavy stuff.
 
2012-11-20 09:13:21 PM  
Last graphic novel I read was Killing Joke.

Probably the only graphic novel I've ever read.

I've moved on to actual novels.
 
2012-11-20 09:19:26 PM  
It's technically not new, but the "That Which Redeems" storyline from Sluggy Freelance is now in print.
 
2012-11-20 09:24:49 PM  

Zombie DJ: FirstNationalBastard: "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

What? Ok, whatever.
I don't know about "released this year" but in our store there's a few staples we keep around because they constantly sell.
Blankets.
Aquaman from DC52 (Ya, never thought I'd say that Aquaman is a must read)
Saga
Anything from Johnathon Hickman (Red Wing, Manhattan Projects, Nightly News)
Fables
Sandman still sells extremely well.
Hickman's run on Fantastic Four.
Matt Fractions Iron Man.
The Underwater Welder is outstanding
A God Somewhere (better than Chronicle)


Yes, yes, yes, YES. I loved that one so much, like every other thing Lemire does.
 
2012-11-20 09:29:36 PM  
For those interested, AV Club did a feature on Saga.

And these guys have a pretty good podcast for keeping up with what's new and upcoming.
 
2012-11-20 09:39:50 PM  
Derf's expansion of My Friend Dahmer is pretty damn essential. Sad, scary and more then a little heartbreaking.
 
2012-11-20 09:52:48 PM  
Saga was a good read. TBQH I wouldn't touch any of the others because Tin-Tin and Scott Pilgrim were never my cup of tea.
 
2012-11-20 10:12:39 PM  
1.bp.blogspot.com

Just about every serious comic book series that is worth a damn comes from Vertigo Comics.
 
2012-11-20 10:22:16 PM  

Yuri Futanari: In case anyone is interested, Nausicaa has recently been re-released with a new box set. Two very nice looking and sturdy hardcovers holding the entire series.

[ecx.images-amazon.com image 465x500]

Link


On my Christmas Wish List -- and a little bird told me that Amazon has already sent them to Santa to be delivered on Christmas.

/Can't wait
 
2012-11-20 10:29:57 PM  

SineSwiper: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x320]

Just about every serious comic book series that is worth a damn comes from Vertigo Comics.


from 1995-2005.

Vertigo has been a shell of its former self since WB decided to synergize with DC.

For example... the guy who created Chew once told a story about how Vertigo editors turned down Chew over half a dozen times, at which point he finally took it to Image and was rewarded with a hit series.

Also, DCWB insists on retaining movie rights and basically locking a property up in exchanvge for publishing, so creators are taking their good ideas to the Indies, where they have a chance of cashing in like Robert Kirkman did on Walking Dead.
 
2012-11-20 10:37:56 PM  

FirstNationalBastard:: "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".


The pinnacle of irony:a brony calling something else "pretentious hipster bullshiat".
 
2012-11-20 10:57:02 PM  

SineSwiper: [1.bp.blogspot.com image 850x320]

Just about every serious comic book series that is worth a damn comes from Vertigo Comics.


There are a couple from America's Best Comics and some independent places as well.
 
2012-11-20 11:18:43 PM  

Tommy Moo: Blankets is the only book ever that literally made me cry. I don't mean well up; I mean full on tears streaming down my face. Craig Thompson's life has been so similar to mine I thought he must have stolen my journals as a kid. I was raised Evangelical, lived on the edge of a small town with no friends except my brother, so in my solitude I took up drawing. I fell in love with the photograph of a girl I met at Bible camp, and then had deep, troubling thoughts about my faith as I approached college age.

It is my only real tradition to read that book cover to cover every year on Christmas day.


For me crying occurred at the end of Y and I Kill Giants
 
2012-11-20 11:38:48 PM  
I'm a geek, but a sci-fi geek, not a superheros and graphic novels geek.

/And I've never watched an episode of Farscape.
//Almost done with season 1 of Fringe.
 
2012-11-20 11:50:39 PM  
I

wildcardjack: I'm a geek, but a sci-fi geek, not a superheros and graphic novels geek.

/And I've never watched an episode of Farscape.
//Almost done with season 1 of Fringe.


What about scifi comics?
 
2012-11-21 12:03:03 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Ah, "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

/Solo looks good. I trust Brian K. Vaughan after Runaways, Ex Machina, and Y.
//Wonder Woman? Seriously? Nothing from DC's nu52 abortion is good. Wonder how much WB paid to have that included?


Whaa? FNB showed up in a comics thread to ensure none of go without his bellyaching about DC (and/or) Marvel? Shocking!!!!
 
2012-11-21 01:05:34 AM  

Der Poopflinger: the last graphic novel I bought
[i17.photobucket.com image 300x449]
BACK IN 1990!
still have it just started rereading it the other day


Technically not a GN... It's a trade paperback. It collects the Dark Horse first series.

CSB: I wrote a fan letter after issue#2 and drew a intricate space marine cartoon on the envelope. The letter was published in the back of issue#5
 
2012-11-21 04:03:15 AM  

wildcardjack: I'm a geek, but a sci-fi geek, not a superheros and graphic novels geek.

/And I've never watched an episode of Farscape.
//Almost done with season 1 of Fringe.


If you're a SciFi fan, skip Fringe, watch Farscape first instead. Fringe starts giving explanations for why things happen as basically "it's magic" (obscured by some half-assed technobabble) about halfway through the first season-- essentially, it's a fantasy series: Olivia is a seer, Peter's the blessed/cursed chosen one, various members of the conspiracy have various sorcerous powers, etc. Basically, it's a classic sword and sorcery story that just has a modern setting, it's not actually science fiction in any way. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, fantasy is a legitimate form of literature in its own right. You're just going to be increasingly unsatisfied if you want to stick to SciFi and avoid superheroes (especially in season two when members of the cast start getting superpowers and using them to fight crime).

Farscape, meanwhile, is one of the hardest science fiction variants of the old naval exploration story in existence. They give you the rules for the two bits of physics they made up (both methods of interstellar travel), and after that they do absolutely nothing inconsistent with actual physics + the stated physics of the added elements, and avoid technobabble in favor of actually explaining how things work (to varying degrees of success, the writers obviously aren't professional scientists, but there's no heisenberg compensators or inverting the phase polarity going on). Basically think Star Trek written by Isaac Asimov. Bonus: actual aliens outnumber "aliens" that are people with rubber foreheads, because Jim Henson motherfarker.
 
2012-11-21 08:27:19 AM  

Jim_Callahan: wildcardjack: I'm a geek, but a sci-fi geek, not a superheros and graphic novels geek.

/And I've never watched an episode of Farscape.
//Almost done with season 1 of Fringe.

If you're a SciFi fan, skip Fringe, watch Farscape first instead. Fringe starts giving explanations for why things happen as basically "it's magic" (obscured by some half-assed technobabble) about halfway through the first season-- essentially, it's a fantasy series: Olivia is a seer, Peter's the blessed/cursed chosen one, various members of the conspiracy have various sorcerous powers, etc. Basically, it's a classic sword and sorcery story that just has a modern setting, it's not actually science fiction in any way. Not that there's anything wrong with that, of course, fantasy is a legitimate form of literature in its own right. You're just going to be increasingly unsatisfied if you want to stick to SciFi and avoid superheroes (especially in season two when members of the cast start getting superpowers and using them to fight crime).

Farscape, meanwhile, is one of the hardest science fiction variants of the old naval exploration story in existence. They give you the rules for the two bits of physics they made up (both methods of interstellar travel), and after that they do absolutely nothing inconsistent with actual physics + the stated physics of the added elements, and avoid technobabble in favor of actually explaining how things work (to varying degrees of success, the writers obviously aren't professional scientists, but there's no heisenberg compensators or inverting the phase polarity going on). Basically think Star Trek written by Isaac Asimov. Bonus: actual aliens outnumber "aliens" that are people with rubber foreheads, because Jim Henson motherfarker.


Love Farscape as its better written/acted than most of he competition...and it takes all Treks tropes and does them better, also Aliens appear farking ALIEN not forehead prosthetic of the week, or every other culture but human is mono cultured (1 style of clothes, one EXACT haircut for a species..etc.


But Farscape isn't "hard" science...they also have their share of pure fantasy...translator microbes, Maldis and his magic, Luxans surviving in the vacuum of space, etc etc....it's still better and more consistent than most "scifi" out there.
 
2012-11-21 11:48:29 AM  

Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

/Solo looks good. I trust Brian K. Vaughan after Runaways, Ex Machina, and Y.
//Wonder Woman? Seriously? Nothing from DC's nu52 abortion is good. Wonder how much WB paid to have that included?

Whaa? FNB showed up in a comics thread to ensure none of go without his bellyaching about DC (and/or) Marvel? Shocking!!!!


Awwwwwwwwwwwwww... reality sucks, doesn't it?
 
2012-11-21 02:08:47 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

/Solo looks good. I trust Brian K. Vaughan after Runaways, Ex Machina, and Y.
//Wonder Woman? Seriously? Nothing from DC's nu52 abortion is good. Wonder how much WB paid to have that included?

Whaa? FNB showed up in a comics thread to ensure none of go without his bellyaching about DC (and/or) Marvel? Shocking!!!!

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww... reality sucks, doesn't it?


No, it doesn't, but I can't say as much for your contributions.
 
2012-11-21 02:16:29 PM  

Hickory-smoked: FirstNationalBastard: Hebalo: FirstNationalBastard: Ah, "graphic novels", codeword for "pretentious hipster bullshiat no one has read".

/Solo looks good. I trust Brian K. Vaughan after Runaways, Ex Machina, and Y.
//Wonder Woman? Seriously? Nothing from DC's nu52 abortion is good. Wonder how much WB paid to have that included?

Whaa? FNB showed up in a comics thread to ensure none of go without his bellyaching about DC (and/or) Marvel? Shocking!!!!

Awwwwwwwwwwwwww... reality sucks, doesn't it?

No, it doesn't, but I can't say as much for your contributions.


Comic geeks: because denial isn't just for buggy whip makers anymore!
 
2012-11-21 03:19:39 PM  
Anyone get into Storm Dogs yet? Or Bedlam? Read the first issues, really great.
 
2012-11-21 03:34:59 PM  
No love for Alison Bechdel?

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2012-11-21 03:56:14 PM  

AverageAmericanGuy: Last graphic novel I read was Killing Joke.

Probably the only graphic novel I've ever read.

I've moved on to actual novels.


Because it's impossible to enjoy both. Thankfully, not all of us are so limited.
 
2012-11-21 03:58:48 PM  

Vexed Thespian: Tommy Moo: Blankets is the only book ever that literally made me cry. I don't mean well up; I mean full on tears streaming down my face. Craig Thompson's life has been so similar to mine I thought he must have stolen my journals as a kid. I was raised Evangelical, lived on the edge of a small town with no friends except my brother, so in my solitude I took up drawing. I fell in love with the photograph of a girl I met at Bible camp, and then had deep, troubling thoughts about my faith as I approached college age.

It is my only real tradition to read that book cover to cover every year on Christmas day.

For me crying occurred at the end of Y and I Kill Giants


Blankets is a heartbreaker for sure. I read the last trade of Y late at night and woke up my wife when I literally cried out "No!"
 
2012-11-22 12:50:56 AM  

Yuri Futanari: In case anyone is interested, Nausicaa has recently been re-released with a new box set. Two very nice looking and sturdy hardcovers holding the entire series.

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Link


Thank you!

From the thread I got a few ideas, and am definitely going to look into "Crackle". (FTA) Sounds starkly amazing.
 
2012-11-22 01:17:49 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Comic geeks: because denial isn't just for buggy whip makers anymore!


Okay, maybe it's just that I'm unfamiliar with your particular shtick, but is there a point hidden somewhere in your posts, or am I looking at it?
 
2012-11-22 04:00:57 AM  

Hickory-smoked: FirstNationalBastard: Comic geeks: because denial isn't just for buggy whip makers anymore!

Okay, maybe it's just that I'm unfamiliar with your particular shtick, but is there a point hidden somewhere in your posts, or am I looking at it?


Actually, there is no schtick. I think modern mainstream comics are rather shiatty, and have been quite vocal about how much DC and Marvel suck, and that things like constantly dropping sales no matter how many creatively bankrupt reboots are done back me up.

Some people, most notably the Hebalo guy up there, get very offended when someone dares point out comic sales suck and it's pretty much a dying industry, and have made a point of posting only to point out every time I dare say something mean toward his beloved comics industry. (but are strangely absent the many times I have a nice conversation about what books are good or what someone should read. In that way, I think he's stalking me.) And, I don't help matters by escalating to full-on "piss off the fanboys" mode after they show up.

You got dragged into the middle of it. Sorry.

/was still a pretty shiatty list in TFA.
 
2012-11-22 10:20:03 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Hickory-smoked: FirstNationalBastard: Comic geeks: because denial isn't just for buggy whip makers anymore!

Okay, maybe it's just that I'm unfamiliar with your particular shtick, but is there a point hidden somewhere in your posts, or am I looking at it?

Actually, there is no schtick. I think modern mainstream comics are rather shiatty, and have been quite vocal about how much DC and Marvel suck, and that things like constantly dropping sales no matter how many creatively bankrupt reboots are done back me up.

Some people, most notably the Hebalo guy up there, get very offended when someone dares point out comic sales suck and it's pretty much a dying industry, and have made a point of posting only to point out every time I dare say something mean toward his beloved comics industry. (but are strangely absent the many times I have a nice conversation about what books are good or what someone should read. In that way, I think he's stalking me.) And, I don't help matters by escalating to full-on "piss off the fanboys" mode after they show up.

You got dragged into the middle of it. Sorry.

/was still a pretty shiatty list in TFA.


Ah. I see, I guess.

Well, I'm certainly not a fan of most of Marvel/DC's work, but I don't think the industry as a whole is in any danger.

And the few titles from the article that I've read are actually quite good, in my opinion.
 
2012-11-22 02:20:15 PM  

lilbjorn: No love for Alison Bechdel?

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Fun Home was great. Dykes to Watch Out For is good. I'm actually not a huge fan of Are You My Mother though.
 
2012-11-22 10:30:09 PM  
I've been hearing how "comics is a dying industry" or near 30 years...yet here we are... SDCC went from a few hundred people, to an international event, and films based off comic properties consistently top the box office charts...

The industry has evolved...but it's doing the opposite thing...thriving...
It's grown way beyond brick and mortar comic shops, and is more heavily monetized than at any point it its history despite shiatty circulation numbers.
Anyone who claims the "industry is dying" don't have a clue what they are talking about.
 
Esn
2012-11-23 01:56:40 AM  
I love sequential art, not so much superhero comics, though. My eyes were opened when I first went to the Toronto Comic Arts Festival a few years ago and saw so much imagination and variety. Also, the North York Central Library started to feature graphic novels prominently at the front.

Some of my favourites so far:

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"Capacity", Theo Ellsworth
Equal parts anthology, autobiography and fantasy adventure. Probably the closest that anything has come to making me feel like I'm in a dream while still awake.

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"Asterios Polyp" by David Mazzucchelli
Probably the single best use of sequential art I've ever seen. Definitely an example of "high literature" in graphic novel form.

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"Sausage Hand" by Andrew Smith
Or, a comic by someone with no sense of boundaries in which everything is consistently demented yet the whole thing taken together is surprisingly coherent.

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"Dream-Quest of Unknown Kadath and Other Stories"
I supported this one through Kickstarter, it's H.P. Lovecraft well-told with amazing artwork. The artist's website is mockman.com, he's currently adapting another Lovecraft story..

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"Regards from Serbia", Aleksandr Zograf
Really informative and insightful portrayal of the recent history in Serbia by someone living through it.

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"Orc Stain", James Stokoe
Probably the closest thing to superhero comics on my list, as in the main character has a power that allows him to escape from almost any situation. Fantasy adventure with insanely detailed art and a bizarre sense of humour.

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"Palestine" by Joe Sacco
The first book of his I read, it's an excellent example of investigative journalism.

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"Rice Boy", Evan Dahm
A fantasy epic. You can read the whole thing on his website, plus the other projects he's started since then.
 
2012-11-23 05:01:05 AM  

Stratohead: I've been hearing how "comics is a dying industry" or near 30 years...yet here we are... SDCC went from a few hundred people, to an international event, and films based off comic properties consistently top the box office charts...

The industry has evolved...but it's doing the opposite thing...thriving...
It's grown way beyond brick and mortar comic shops, and is more heavily monetized than at any point it its history despite shiatty circulation numbers.
Anyone who claims the "industry is dying" don't have a clue what they are talking about.


I find it funny you think San Diego still has anything to do with comics.
 
2012-11-23 05:12:58 AM  

FirstNationalBastard: Stratohead: I've been hearing how "comics is a dying industry" or near 30 years...yet here we are... SDCC went from a few hundred people, to an international event, and films based off comic properties consistently top the box office charts...

The industry has evolved...but it's doing the opposite thing...thriving...
It's grown way beyond brick and mortar comic shops, and is more heavily monetized than at any point it its history despite shiatty circulation numbers.
Anyone who claims the "industry is dying" don't have a clue what they are talking about.

I find it funny you think San Diego still has anything to do with comics.


Your ignorance is so cute.... They just host the annual Eisner Awards there very year as a smoke screen of course...and he mere fact that entire comic careers can be made with connections made at SDCC just an elaborate ruse...just don't tell all those people dressed as comic characters.... You ignorant fark
 
2012-11-23 05:30:21 AM  

Stratohead: FirstNationalBastard: Stratohead: I've been hearing how "comics is a dying industry" or near 30 years...yet here we are... SDCC went from a few hundred people, to an international event, and films based off comic properties consistently top the box office charts...

The industry has evolved...but it's doing the opposite thing...thriving...
It's grown way beyond brick and mortar comic shops, and is more heavily monetized than at any point it its history despite shiatty circulation numbers.
Anyone who claims the "industry is dying" don't have a clue what they are talking about.

I find it funny you think San Diego still has anything to do with comics.

Your ignorance is so cute.... They just host the annual Eisner Awards there very year as a smoke screen of course...and he mere fact that entire comic careers can be made with connections made at SDCC just an elaborate ruse...just don't tell all those people dressed as comic characters.... You ignorant fark


Ooh... entire comic careers! Because those are so lucrative, that's why everyone hopes to jump to shiatty TV shows and movies, or Jizzmopping.

And using loser cosplayers to defend something? Loser cosplayers will show up at the opening of a jar.
 
2012-11-23 06:29:45 AM  
Link

Oh Noez! Sales figures keep going up and up...surely this bad news...for Comics!

When I worked for Diamond ( 89-91) our monthly catalog was 20-30 pages. Now it's twice the size of a Sears Wishbook and 4 times as dense, and it has its own circulation that rivals many large properties as people subscribe to it.

Comics and "Hollywood" have merged...so what? That's how it works now, and yes... Careers in comics can be "lucrative" ...TMNT made Eastman and Laird multimillionaires. Frank Miller seems be doing pretty well.

And more people are able to earn a living in the field....even for those who don't get the golden ticket...and for those into it, being able to support yourself doing what you love beats fark out of an office job, or whatever it's you call what FirstNationBastards mom does in dark alleys to keep him in formula.
 
2012-11-23 06:39:43 AM  

Stratohead: Link

Oh Noez! Sales figures keep going up and up...surely this bad news...for Comics!

When I worked for Diamond ( 89-91) our monthly catalog was 20-30 pages. Now it's twice the size of a Sears Wishbook and 4 times as dense, and it has its own circulation that rivals many large properties as people subscribe to it.

Comics and "Hollywood" have merged...so what? That's how it works now, and yes... Careers in comics can be "lucrative" ...TMNT made Eastman and Laird multimillionaires. Frank Miller seems be doing pretty well.

And more people are able to earn a living in the field....even for those who don't get the golden ticket...and for those into it, being able to support yourself doing what you love beats fark out of an office job, or whatever it's you call what FirstNationBastards mom does in dark alleys to keep him in formula.


Fanboys: don't shatter our fantasy world, bro! We'll say something mean about your mom!
 
2012-11-23 06:48:34 AM  
Oh, but seriously...

BY YOUR OWN LINK that you offer as proof of things going up...

Overall money made from sales is down from 2010.

Unit sales were up by three million copies after a 5 year decline, a bump that can be attributed solely to the Nu52 bullshiat, and WILL NOT be repeated for 2012, bringing sales back down again.

Trade paperback sales are down.

Except for the one 3 million copy bit of growth easily attributed to a one time stunt, where's the growth?

Oh, there is none,.

A billion dollar movie franchise like Avengers can't even bring in new readers. People love the characters, but wouldn't buy a comic book if you paid them to.

But, no, I'm the delusional one because I see these numbers and say "Hm, everything is down compared to the previous year", as the numbers from the link you provided clearly show.

That was a horrible link to provide to show how well things are going.
 
2012-11-23 06:48:50 AM  
$255m-$275m in sales in 2000. $660m-$690m in 2011. Don't let Facts get in the way of being a douche, "bro".
 
2012-11-23 06:52:26 AM  

Stratohead: $255m-$275m in sales in 2000. $660m-$690m in 2011. Don't let Facts get in the way of being a douche, "bro".


Squeezing more money out of less consumers.

Books were, what, $1.99-$2.50 in 2000? Now they're nearly double that amount?

They haven't added new readers, or sold more copies, they're just squeezing more blood out of the same old stone.

Or, to use your numbers...

Unit sales 2000: 69.26 million copies
Unit sales 2010: 69.20 million copies
 
2012-11-23 07:01:47 AM  
Also...circulation numbers have thinned for established tiles ...but the number of available tiles and publishers on a monthly basis have never been higher, meaning more people are reading combined with the balancing act of pspreading readership across a larger surface.... Fewer people may be buying Batman or Spider-Man , but more people are reading comics of some kind than at any time in history. More choice, more diverse subject matter, more women and minorities publishing, more licensing and merchandising of comic properties than at any time in history
I've been dealing with the industry for over 30 years, I know what I'm talking about dipshiat.
 
2012-11-23 07:09:22 AM  

Stratohead: Also...circulation numbers have thinned for established tiles ...but the number of available tiles and publishers on a monthly basis have never been higher, meaning more people are reading combined with the balancing act of pspreading readership across a larger surface.... Fewer people may be buying Batman or Spider-Man , but more people are reading comics of some kind than at any time in history. More choice, more diverse subject matter, more women and minorities publishing, more licensing and merchandising of comic properties than at any time in history
I've been dealing with the industry for over 30 years, I know what I'm talking about dipshiat.


Read: I'm drinking my own kool-aid!
 
2012-11-23 07:11:45 AM  
But seriously... I understand your defensiveness.

Look at the RIAA and how they're willing to destroy anyone they can in their death throes. I'm sure Buggy Whip manufacturers didn't want to realize the end was coming, either...
 
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