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2012-11-20 11:13:57 AM  
Screw you, buddy!
http://www.fnal.gov/pub/today/images12/rutgers-logo.jpg
 
2012-11-20 11:15:43 AM  
I wonder if Mizzou sits in it's closet and quietly weeps.
 
2012-11-20 12:05:37 PM  
Yeah, this is an incredibly stupid idea. Nate Silver said it best:

" the main rationale for adding the schools seems to be economic: the prospect that they would give the Big Ten, and its cable network, access to the New York and Washington, D.C., media markets.

On that account, the decision may be questionable. Although Rutgers and Maryland are in densely populated areas, they also compete against a number of other Division I football programs for fans and attention.

Moreover, affinity for college football is considerably lower on the East Coast than it is in the Midwest or the South. Thus, the schools have fewer fans than most other current Big Ten members."


Translation: no one is football country is going to give a flying damn about Rutgers, and if the Big Tenwhateverthefarknumberitisnow thinks that they're going to get people in NYC, NJ, DC, or anywhere else in the northeast to care about what happens in flyover country, they're dreaming. East Coasters call it 'flyover country' for a reason, you know.
 
jbc [TotalFark]
2012-11-20 12:46:06 PM  
I wonder if Oklahoma sits in its closet and begs Texas for permission to weep for the days when that conference was still relevant.
 
2012-11-20 12:59:57 PM  
If they think New Yorkers are going to be clamoring to come to Piscataway see Iowa or Michigan State play Rutgers, they are sorely mistaken; nevermind New Yorkers going to East Lansing or Iowa City.
 
2012-11-20 01:02:20 PM  

whistleridge: Translation: no one is football country is going to give a flying damn about Rutgers, and if the Big Tenwhateverthefarknumberitisnow thinks that they're going to get people in NYC, NJ, DC, or anywhere else in the northeast to care about what happens in flyover country, they're dreaming.


I'm just gonna copy and paste something I posted in the Maryland thread: They have a bit of a following in Jersey (and I'm in New Brunswick all the time so I see it), but I don't think there are too many people from the non-Jersey parts of the tri-state who care.

Overall the NY area just isn't that big on college sports in general and football in particular. We've got enough pro sports and no strong college tradition. The only thing you really see is that certain schools have certain bars in Manhattan where their fans go for the games. But that seems to be mostly transplants and visitors. Maybe it would be different if there were one or two big SUNYs instead of four, but somehow I sort of doubt it.

That said, even getting a small part of the NY/NJ market is big.

Back to non-copy-pasting: On a personal note, my girlfriend is a Maryland alum who lives in New Brunswick. She really doesn't give a shiat about the sports teams if she's watching on TV, but she'll get into it if she's actually at the game. This will make that a lot easier. Funny how those just happen to be the two teams involved in this move.
 
2012-11-20 01:02:38 PM  
Nate Silver's analysis of this issue is worthless without considering the increased TV revenue.
 
2012-11-20 01:05:52 PM  
One step closer to four conferences, each with their own semifinal and championship games leading into the Football Final Four, brought to us by Papa John's and AT&T.
 
2012-11-20 01:07:10 PM  

FreakinB: whistleridge: Translation: no one is football country is going to give a flying damn about Rutgers, and if the Big Tenwhateverthefarknumberitisnow thinks that they're going to get people in NYC, NJ, DC, or anywhere else in the northeast to care about what happens in flyover country, they're dreaming.

I'm just gonna copy and paste something I posted in the Maryland thread: They have a bit of a following in Jersey (and I'm in New Brunswick all the time so I see it), but I don't think there are too many people from the non-Jersey parts of the tri-state who care.

Overall the NY area just isn't that big on college sports in general and football in particular. We've got enough pro sports and no strong college tradition. The only thing you really see is that certain schools have certain bars in Manhattan where their fans go for the games. But that seems to be mostly transplants and visitors. Maybe it would be different if there were one or two big SUNYs instead of four, but somehow I sort of doubt it.

That said, even getting a small part of the NY/NJ market is big.

Back to non-copy-pasting: On a personal note, my girlfriend is a Maryland alum who lives in New Brunswick. She really doesn't give a shiat about the sports teams if she's watching on TV, but she'll get into it if she's actually at the game. This will make that a lot easier. Funny how those just happen to be the two teams involved in this move.


I thought NYC was huge into college basketball. You can't walk two blocks w/o bumping into a short tournament.
 
2012-11-20 01:08:49 PM  
So, when does University of Louisville begin begging the SEC?
 
2012-11-20 01:09:31 PM  
Subby is being very harsh to Maryland.
 
2012-11-20 01:14:14 PM  

EyeballKid: So, when does University of Louisville begin begging the SEC?

ACC? 

ftfy
 
2012-11-20 01:14:49 PM  
Now the Big 10 has more traction for recruiting in Jersey.
 
2012-11-20 01:15:04 PM  

Trocadero: I thought NYC was huge into college basketball. You can't walk two blocks w/o bumping into a short tournament.


Basketball moreso than football. Even then it's only to a certain extent. They have those preseason tournaments and they do well, but it's not like they or St. John's are dominating the back pages. Plus the ongoing dismantling of the Big East is going to hurt their tournament.
 
2012-11-20 01:15:05 PM  
Did Minnesota leave?
 
2012-11-20 01:15:20 PM  
There is no way either team will be worse than Indiana. Indiana's football team looks like they gave a bunch of guys football equipment and a DVD of Little Giants the night before every game.
 
2012-11-20 01:17:50 PM  

FreakinB: Trocadero: I thought NYC was huge into college basketball. You can't walk two blocks w/o bumping into a short tournament.

Basketball moreso than football. Even then it's only to a certain extent. They have those preseason tournaments and they do well, but it's not like they or St. John's are dominating the back pages. Plus the ongoing dismantling of the Big East is going to hurt their tournament.


I am so bummed out about this.
 
2012-11-20 01:18:44 PM  
UCONN to the ACC and Louisville and Cincy to the Big 12 BSU, UH, SDSU beg to get into the MWC and the Big East accepts its fate and invites Butler and Xavier to its basketball conference.
 
2012-11-20 01:20:05 PM  

bsharitt: Big East accepts its fate and invites Butler and Xavier to its basketball conference.


I like the Big East but I love the A10. That would crush me.
 
2012-11-20 01:21:10 PM  

FreakinB: Back to non-copy-pasting: On a personal note, my girlfriend is a Maryland alum who lives in New Brunswick. She really doesn't give a shiat about the sports teams if she's watching on TV, but she'll get into it if she's actually at the game. This will make that a lot easier. Funny how those just happen to be the two teams involved in this move.


This is why adding Maryland and Rutgers makes sense. There are TONS of MD alums in the NY/NJ area (myself included) who would definitely go to games in Piscataway when the Terps come to town. Plus, there will certainly be more eyes on the Big10 Network than there were. I've got it as part of the Sports Package on Time Warner, but have never once actually watched it - which will certainly change now that Maryland will be involved.

I couldn't give two shiats about Penn State, Michigan, Ohio State or the rest of the Big10 NOW. When they're conference opponents, I will. Maryland's student body is more representative of the DC/NY corridor than Tobacco Road and points south, so I think it'll generate a bit more interest than games against Clemson, UNC or Georgia Tech ever could.

If you ignore the current reality of the football program at Maryland or general national apathy about Rutgers, the move makes tons of sense for all involved. It's not a move with the present in mind, but any analysis of this that is based solely on the on-field results is meaningless.
 
2012-11-20 01:21:27 PM  

Gunny Highway: bsharitt: Big East accepts its fate and invites Butler and Xavier to its basketball conference.

I like the Big East but I love the A10. That would crush me.


Dayton can come too.
 
2012-11-20 01:21:49 PM  
Maryland is much more likely to be a doormat than Rutgers
 
2012-11-20 01:21:52 PM  

PowerSlacker: Nate Silver's analysis of this issue is worthless without considering the increased TV revenue.


Exactly. Rutgers pays for itself by simply getting the Big Ten Network added to the basic cable package in a fraction of that market.
 
2012-11-20 01:22:33 PM  
Better than Indiana, Purdue, Minnesota, Illinois, and Iowa.

I'd go with "middling" - not doormat. That's for Maryland.

//Michigan Fan
///RU Alum
 
2012-11-20 01:22:50 PM  
I sort of want to see the SEC invite Cincinnati just because an SEC team in Ohio would give Jim Delany a heart attack.
 
2012-11-20 01:24:06 PM  

bsharitt: Gunny Highway: bsharitt: Big East accepts its fate and invites Butler and Xavier to its basketball conference.

I like the Big East but I love the A10. That would crush me.

Dayton can come too.


My brother went to UD and I went to URI so that would be worse than X and Butler leaving.

/Think these schools analyze their own actions in the Business Ethics courses?
 
2012-11-20 01:25:18 PM  

greenbowlpacker: EyeballKid: So, when does University of Louisville begin begging the SEC? ACC Big 12? 

ftfy


FTFY
 
2012-11-20 01:27:20 PM  

Incorrigible Astronaut: greenbowlpacker: EyeballKid: So, when does University of Louisville begin begging the SEC? ACC Big 12 C-USA? 

ftfy

FTFY


FTFY
 
2012-11-20 01:27:50 PM  
As a resident of the Washington DC market for over 30 years I can assure you that the region doesn't give a crap about Maryland football.
 
2012-11-20 01:28:17 PM  

PoochUMD: PowerSlacker: Nate Silver's analysis of this issue is worthless without considering the increased TV revenue.

Exactly. Rutgers pays for itself by simply getting the Big Ten Network added to the basic cable package in a fraction of that market.


Except there's absolutely no guarantee it gets added. Which was his point. Rutgers brings a mediocre program to the table, with a small domestic fanbase. And traditional powerhouse Big 10 teams aren't going to be a big draw, either. Maybe there's so back room deals going on, but I just don't see how Rutgers will do more than break even. They're a doormat.
 
2012-11-20 01:29:31 PM  

SuperChuck: Maryland is much more likely to be a doormat than Rutgers


My Terps were winning games this year until we lost *all* four quarterbacks on our roster to season-ending injuries. Do you expect to beat FSU when you have a linebacker under center?
 
2012-11-20 01:30:02 PM  
I'd say RU is a bit more than a doormat...

Maryland on the other hand. Oof. I'm sure they're probably really happy they hired Randy Edsall.

BCS Standings
RK TEAM RECORD
1 Notre Dame 11-0
2 Alabama 10-1
3 Georgia 10-1
4 Florida 10-1
5 Oregon 10-1
6 Kansas State 10-1
7 LSU 9-2
8 Stanford 9-2
9 Texas A&M 9-2
10 Florida State 10-1
11 Clemson 10-1
12 South Carolina 9-2
13 Oklahoma 8-2
14 Nebraska 9-2
15 Oregon State 8-2
16 Texas 8-2
17 UCLA 9-2
18 Rutgers 9-1
19 Michigan 8-3
20 Louisville 9-1
21 Oklahoma State 7-3
22 Boise State 9-2
23 Kent State 10-1
24 Arizona 7-4
25 Washington 7-4
 
2012-11-20 01:36:23 PM  
i farking hate realignment. fark this shiat.

also 14 school football conferences even with 9 conference games make no farking sense. you'll end up with plenty of years the divisional cross-over game draw determine who plays in the conference championship game. (see: georgia, university of) it's bullshiat. 10 team leagues with a round-robin.

farking money grabbing whores. thank god it's all about the student-athletes. especially the one in the non-revenue sports who will be flying cross-country via coach through multiple connections. at least they'll have time to study on the plane.
 
2012-11-20 01:37:35 PM  

bsharitt: I sort of want to see the SEC invite Cincinnati just because an SEC team in Ohio would give Jim Delany a heart attack.


I want to see the SEC invite Michigan State and Wisconsin. Right now, that somehow seems like it would make sense.
 
2012-11-20 01:37:59 PM  

whistleridge: PoochUMD: PowerSlacker: Nate Silver's analysis of this issue is worthless without considering the increased TV revenue.

Exactly. Rutgers pays for itself by simply getting the Big Ten Network added to the basic cable package in a fraction of that market.

Except there's absolutely no guarantee it gets added. Which was his point. Rutgers brings a mediocre program to the table, with a small domestic fanbase. And traditional powerhouse Big 10 teams aren't going to be a big draw, either. Maybe there's so back room deals going on, but I just don't see how Rutgers will do more than break even. They're a doormat.


you're only thinking of RU fans. taking RU is a way of being able to pressure the cable network into putting it on the regular tier because there is a local team. there are tons of B10 alums in NYC that pack bars all across the city to watch CFB. And many others who don't want to go to the bar, but still follow their alma mater.
 
2012-11-20 01:39:11 PM  

bsharitt: I sort of want to see the SEC invite Cincinnati just because an SEC team in Ohio would give Jim Delany

Urban Meyer a heart attack.

ftfy

/too soon?
 
2012-11-20 01:42:49 PM  

PowerSlacker: bsharitt: I sort of want to see the SEC invite Cincinnati just because an SEC team in Ohio would give Jim Delany a heart attack.

I want to see the SEC invite Michigan State and Wisconsin. Right now, that somehow seems like it would make sense.


a.espncdn.com

not really. now usc, virginia tech, nc state (since unc isn't joining), and oklahoma? 

/farking tarded ass realignment is farking tarded...
 
2012-11-20 01:43:38 PM  

azkaevolution: whistleridge: PoochUMD: PowerSlacker: Nate Silver's analysis of this issue is worthless without considering the increased TV revenue.

Exactly. Rutgers pays for itself by simply getting the Big Ten Network added to the basic cable package in a fraction of that market.

Except there's absolutely no guarantee it gets added. Which was his point. Rutgers brings a mediocre program to the table, with a small domestic fanbase. And traditional powerhouse Big 10 teams aren't going to be a big draw, either. Maybe there's so back room deals going on, but I just don't see how Rutgers will do more than break even. They're a doormat.

you're only thinking of RU fans. taking RU is a way of being able to pressure the cable network into putting it on the regular tier because there is a local team. there are tons of B10 alums in NYC that pack bars all across the city to watch CFB. And many others who don't want to go to the bar, but still follow their alma mater.


And if those tons of fans were there watching before, they'll be there watching now. The footprint will barely grow. So, if you were a cable TV operator, would you pony up to add the B10 network to your tiers on the hopes that a few tens of thousands might watch, or would you keep it right where it's at, with bars that cater to those fans paying extra for it, at no extra cost to yourself.

I could be wrong - obviously Big 10 is going on different math - but I don't think it plays out. I think they wind up regretting this.

Maryland...there's more of a case for. Barely.
 
2012-11-20 01:46:38 PM  

Wellon Dowd: As a resident of the Washington DC market for over 30 years I can assure you that the region doesn't give a crap about Maryland football.


It's not just about football moron.
 
2012-11-20 01:47:02 PM  
Hm, I've been experiencing a whirlwind tour through the Seton Hall athletic department and everyone seems to be flogging this big Rutgers rivalry. It feels forced to me -- Rutgers isn't even a traditional Big East team, and despite their football success they remain irrelevant in basketball, which is what SHU is all about. Villanova and St. John's, those are natural rivals, and aren't appreciably farther away, state lines notwithstanding. So I'm gonna have to say, meh.
 
2012-11-20 01:47:28 PM  

A Fark Handle: PowerSlacker: bsharitt: I sort of want to see the SEC invite Cincinnati just because an SEC team in Ohio would give Jim Delany a heart attack.

I want to see the SEC invite Michigan State and Wisconsin. Right now, that somehow seems like it would make sense.

[a.espncdn.com image 640x360]

not really. now usc, virginia tech, nc state (since unc isn't joining), and oklahoma? 

/farking tarded ass realignment is farking tarded...


It's about TV markets, not talent bases.

It would be even funnier if Notre Dame joined the SEC...
 
2012-11-20 01:48:06 PM  

39Smooth: Wellon Dowd: As a resident of the Washington DC market for over 30 years I can assure you that the region doesn't give a crap about Maryland football.

It's not just about football moron.


It's not even about football or sports. It's about money.
 
2012-11-20 01:48:55 PM  

PowerSlacker: A Fark Handle: PowerSlacker: bsharitt: I sort of want to see the SEC invite Cincinnati just because an SEC team in Ohio would give Jim Delany a heart attack.

I want to see the SEC invite Michigan State and Wisconsin. Right now, that somehow seems like it would make sense.

[a.espncdn.com image 640x360]

not really. now usc, virginia tech, nc state (since unc isn't joining), and oklahoma? 

/farking tarded ass realignment is farking tarded...

It's about TV markets, not talent bases.

It would be even funnier if Notre Dame joined the SEC...


The rest of the sports world would collapse into a black hole of hate.
 
2012-11-20 01:51:07 PM  

PowerSlacker: A Fark Handle: PowerSlacker: bsharitt: I sort of want to see the SEC invite Cincinnati just because an SEC team in Ohio would give Jim Delany a heart attack.

I want to see the SEC invite Michigan State and Wisconsin. Right now, that somehow seems like it would make sense.

[a.espncdn.com image 640x360]

not really. now usc, virginia tech, nc state (since unc isn't joining), and oklahoma? 

It's about TV markets, not talent bases.

It would be even funnier if Notre Dame joined the SEC...


i know this money grab by greedy whores was about tv markets, but tv markets that don't care about football aren't really tv markets. people pay for the product. in the long term the big-potato is going to struggle. who's actually going to pay to watch that unwatchable no talent assclown football that big-potato football will become?
 
2012-11-20 01:57:30 PM  

basemetal: I wonder if Mizzou sits in it's closet and quietly weeps.


Nope. We're in the best conference in the land and we're thrilled about it.
 
2012-11-20 01:57:55 PM  

Yanks_RSJ: FreakinB: Back to non-copy-pasting: On a personal note, my girlfriend is a Maryland alum who lives in New Brunswick. She really doesn't give a shiat about the sports teams if she's watching on TV, but she'll get into it if she's actually at the game. This will make that a lot easier. Funny how those just happen to be the two teams involved in this move.

This is why adding Maryland and Rutgers makes sense. There are TONS of MD alums in the NY/NJ area (myself included) who would definitely go to games in Piscataway when the Terps come to town.


Not just Maryland either. There are other Big 10 schools that draw from this area. I'm thinking of Michigan, Penn State, and Indiana in particular. I'm sure quite a few of them wouldn't mind a short trip to Piscataway.
 
2012-11-20 01:58:40 PM  

jbc: I wonder if Oklahoma sits in its closet and begs Texas for permission to weep for the days when that conference was still relevant.


Did you hear that Texas is going to get a permanent home game on Thanksgiving? They are so cute when they're being tin pot dictators.
 
2012-11-20 02:01:01 PM  

azkaevolution: I'd say RU is a bit more than a doormat...

Maryland on the other hand. Oof. I'm sure they're probably really happy they hired Randy Edsall.

BCS Standings
RK TEAM RECORD
1 Notre Dame 11-0
2 Alabama 10-1
3 Georgia 10-1
4 Florida 10-1
5 Oregon 10-1
6 Kansas State 10-1
7 LSU 9-2
8 Stanford 9-2
9 Texas A&M 9-2
10 Florida State 10-1
11 Clemson 10-1
12 South Carolina 9-2
13 Oklahoma 8-2
14 Nebraska 9-2
15 Oregon State 8-2
16 Texas 8-2
17 UCLA 9-2
18 Rutgers 9-1
19 Michigan 8-3
20 Louisville 9-1
21 Oklahoma State 7-3
22 Boise State 9-2
23 Kent State 10-1
24 Arizona 7-4
25 Washington 7-4


Date Opponent Time/Result TV
Sep 1 @Tulane Won 24-12 CBS Sports Network
Sep 8 Howard Won 26-0 ESPN - Gameplan
Sep 13 @South Florida Won 23-13 ESPN
Sep 22 @Arkansas Won 35-26 ESPNU
Oct 6 Connecticut Won 19-3 ESPNU
Oct 13 Syracuse Won 23-15 ESPN - Gameplan
Oct 20 @Temple Won 35-10 SNY
Oct 27 Kent St. Lost 23-35 SNY
Nov 10 Army Won 28-7 ESPNU
Nov 17 @Cincinnati Won 10-3 SNY
Nov 24 @Pittsburgh 12:00 pm ESPN2
Nov 29 Louisville

Name any one of those teams that could win a game in the big 10.

Hell even the GOPHERS beat Syracuse.
 
2012-11-20 02:05:26 PM  

Wellon Dowd: As a resident of the Washington DC market for over 30 years I can assure you that the region doesn't give a crap about Maryland football.


There is a massive slug of PSU alumni and fans in the MD/DC area that would LOVE to go to College Park to watch their Nittany Lions destroy barely compete with (due to sanctions) the Terrapins. Certainly the tickets will be cheaper and the trip easier than going to State College. Terp fans certainly aren't using the seats.

The same can no doubt be said for Northern NJ, and Rutgers has really gotten much better over the past several seasons.
 
2012-11-20 02:06:00 PM  
Tom Luicci's hatred for Nebraska continues-I mean, he writes that Rutgers will be joining "Big Ten Powerhouses-Ohio State, Michigan, and Wisconsin." Wisconsin? Really?

What a tool.
 
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