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(Daily Kos)   Apparently, thousands of conservatives DID emigrate to Australia, since MSNBC is now beating FOX in the primetime ratings   (dailykos.com) divider line 186
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2012-11-20 06:14:09 PM  

RyogaM: Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.

Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.

It's not about who's winning, it's about making sure that people get correct information about the world around them so that, when we try to address problems that arise, we at least have the same groundwork upon which to debate the proper remedy to that problem. We don't have that right now, because Fox news is lying to the people who watch it. Flat out, telling people things that are demonstratively untrue, like, that Romney was going to win in a landslide. Like scientists are all in major scan regarding global climate change. Like, Liberals hate real Americans, that Obama is a treasonous communist/fascist who wants to destroy the country. These untruths poison the political discourse and make it impossible to address problems because, 1) they deny the problems exist, and 2) even if problems exist, Republicans cannot work with treasonous Democrats to solve the problems because Democrats are evil.

The election was the first time I've ever heard my father, a Fox news junkie, admit that Fox news fed them a line of provable BS. For the first time, my father doubts that Fox is giving them the truth, and that is a good thing. And that is why I celebrate when Fox loses viewers, because that means people may start to turn to real sources of information and make it possible for Americans to come together again to address issue they all face.


Yeah, I couldn't care less that MSNBC is doing well. I never watch it, or cable news of any sort unless I'm stuck in a lobby with one of them on. People that watch MSNBC are a bit incorrigible, if well meaning from the conversations I've had. People that watch Fox are downright stubbornly misinformed. I left the Republican party because of the damage I could see ClearChannel and Fox doing to our collective psyche with their flagrant militarism and brash disregard for civil liberties and the truth.

Its a very good thing for them to be failing. It means there might be some hope that in a few years, we might have more than one major party worth voting for. I want a CHOICE when I go into the voting booth, between at least two (ideally more) viable candidates with a believable plan to improve our nation. This past few elections the choice had been made for me by the people that drove the Republican train off the cliff. I'm glad they finally hit bottom, and the conductors are dying a slow death, now its time to piece the party back together from the wreckage and make it relevant for the 21st century...
 
2012-11-20 06:14:52 PM  

Dusk-You-n-Me: I'd like to see the numbers for Up With Chris. Fantastic show, seems to be building a following.


I just wanted to say THIS. Chris Hayes is probably the most intelligent roundtable discussion show, period. Basically, it's what McLaughlin has been trying to do his entire career but did not have the talent to do. Personally, I think he should get an hour a night, talk about one subject, and move Ed earlier or whatever.
 
2012-11-20 06:14:59 PM  

MyRandomName: Love how liberals ignore the whole senate side of the equation. Please show me the senate budget. Please show me the senate votes on house passed bills. Reid blocks more legislation than any other person in congress. Grow up.


Harry's idea of a budget was/is whatever the cap is. How much do you need? Bah, every single penny I can get my crypt keeper dead hands on, that's your budget. Give me everything. Everything? I SAID EVERYTHING!
 
2012-11-20 06:16:41 PM  

Wessoman: I just wanted to say THIS. Chris Hayes is probably the most intelligent roundtable discussion show, period. Basically, it's what McLaughlin has been trying to do his entire career but did not have the talent to do. Personally, I think he should get an hour a night, talk about one subject, and move Ed earlier or whatever.


Coincidentally, this just got posted: Link

Ta-Nehisi Coates and Chris Hayes at MIT. It's very good.
 
2012-11-20 06:16:46 PM  

Renart: Conservatives complaining about how this is no longer the America they grew up in crack me up. I was born and grew up in San Francisco and nearby. America is FINALLY starting to resemble the America I grew up in.

/But with fewer hippies.
//NTTAWWT


I love how social conservatives are, by definition, always going to lose. There has never been a time in history when socially excepted norms and customs were held constant for a sustained period. They have always been in a state of change. To fight for social conservatism is simply asking for a lifetime of being on the losing side, and also asking for history to remember you alongside all the other oppressive farkheads that history threw in the dustbin.
 
2012-11-20 06:17:49 PM  

nekom: I hate to break it to you, but Australia is NOT more conservative than the United States. No nation outside of the Islamic world is. Sorry, there's just nowhere for you guys to go. Liberals have tons of options, as there are PLENTY of nations more liberal than the USA.


Poland likes republicans. They could go to Poland. It is a beautiful country, and if you long for being scared of Russia, it's a pretty good location.
 
2012-11-20 06:27:06 PM  
Saw a bunch of these sore loser pricks saying they were going to emigrate to Australia, on my Facebook feed. They can fark right off. We've got enough right-wing horse-shiat peddling in this nation.
 
2012-11-20 06:29:07 PM  

ambassador_ahab: djkutch: They gave us Hitler and the Wiener Schnitzel.

I think you're confusing 2 completely different countries that start and end with the letter "A"


media.skateboard.com.au
 
2012-11-20 06:29:13 PM  

Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.



Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.


Excellent concept and I generally would agree under normal circumstances and have voted split ticket many times in the past. Unfortunately in my opinion the way the GOP has operated, created their "echo chamber", and condemned those with differing viewpoints; out of love of country they forced me to take a side. Since what they seem to stand for represents many things I do not stand for, I had to choose the "team" which does seem to. The third party options are not options in my book since they seem to go more to extremes than to the center.

Maybe if stuff like this continues and FOX loses its ability to fuel the hyperpartisan flames, causing conservatism to go back to what it was during the time of Eisenhower; well then I will come back to considering voting for Rep[ublican candidates.
 
2012-11-20 06:30:11 PM  
Wow. Honestly, I feel that both channels suck and (when I have cable) will only watch either of them for entertainment purposes only. My only guess would be the depressions that I'm certain most conservatives are feeling right now. I'm almost curious enough to get in touch with and see if my parents are still watching FOX 24/7. These are both incredibly smart people and I sincerely didn't understand how or why they were falling for the obvious tripe and had been hoping for some blatant "Math you do as Republicans" bite for them to stop drinking the kool-aid. Unfortunately, they burned many more bridges than simply political.
 
2012-11-20 06:31:35 PM  

FirstNationalBastard: People are just watching and waiting for Rachel Maddow to introduce Veronica De La Cruz to the ways of sapphic love.


Are you compensating? I think you're compensating.
 
2012-11-20 06:32:04 PM  
MSNBC has a lot of talent on their bench. They need to dump that windbag Ed Schultz.
 
2012-11-20 06:32:14 PM  

jj325: Seriously--a nightly lineup of Olbermann/Maddow/O'Donnell would be awesome


Olbermann was awesome. Things have changed - guy's teetered too far in one direction, and I fear he's fallen over. Shame, really, I am still fond of him.

Meanwhile, Sharpton is a topic on which I'm torn. On the one hand, when he argues that Obama didn't run as the President Who Would Fix Things For Black People, he's right, and deserves points for being realistic about it. When he brings attention to an issue of institutionalised racism leading to black people being shot in the streets and their killers being let go, he's criticized as if he's the one in the wrong for making noise about it, and I think he did the right thing there.

And yet...

And yet...

Hitch said it about Falwell, and said it again, later, about Sharpton: "He woke up every morning, as I say, pinching his chubby little flanks and thinking, I have got away with it again." So, like with many people, I imagine there's more to Al Sharpton than just one or two issues.
 
2012-11-20 06:34:18 PM  

Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.



Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.


The most obnoxious is pundits covering other pundits ad nauseam, and Ed Schultz is the worst about that
 
2012-11-20 06:37:52 PM  
I don't understand the obsession with ratings, either. It doesn't matter who is "winning". In the grand scheme of things, nobody watches cable news. For every slobbering diddler who's watching The O'Reilly Report, there's four of them watching grown men in Spandex hitting themselves over the head with folding chairs in some Vince McMahon "wrestling" ring.
 
2012-11-20 06:40:50 PM  
All the other shows are just boring filler in the background so I don't miss the first nanosecond of Rachel.

Sharpton is awful
Matthews is boring
Ed is a loudmouth windbag

Lawrence is OK. Feed Keith some butthurt pills and put him back on.
 
2012-11-20 06:41:33 PM  

jj325: If MSNBC wants to be a real player they need to bring this guy back to Prime Time

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Seriously--a nightly lineup of Olbermann/Maddow/O'Donnell would be awesome


Keith Olbermann CAN be awesome when he's not doing his stonefaced, call-everybody-he-disagrees-with-"SIR", Edward R. Murrow wannabe act. He has moments of awesome that he just totally buries with his own elevated sense of himself. I'd be all about putting him back on the air, but only if they make him hold a thick wad of dollar bills through the whole hour and put a Douche Jar on his desk, with a guy standing in the background to strictly enforce it.

Also, kudos to MSNBC for releasing Olbermann in the first place for violating a journalistic standard. Even if I do sorta want to like the guy, that was the right move.
 
2012-11-20 06:47:28 PM  
I predict Fox's response will be to become even derpier.
 
2012-11-20 06:54:56 PM  

Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.



Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.


8/10. Great concern troll. I could feel your worry coming through the screen.
 
2012-11-20 07:06:00 PM  
Now all those that argued that Fox had credibility because of high ratings must be MSNBC fanboys.
 
2012-11-20 07:08:49 PM  
PBS or NPR would be better, but I guess it's better than nothing.
 
2012-11-20 07:10:42 PM  
What? Even Fox viewers tired of 24 hour Benghazi coverage after 3 weeks? Color me surprised.
 
2012-11-20 07:12:30 PM  

Cythraul:


What's the geeky picture of the effeminate looking dude all about? Is that Androgena?
 
2012-11-20 07:14:52 PM  

Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.



Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.


It's bad to celebrate the falling of a "news" channel so venomously opposed to the reporting of actual facts that their viewers are LESS well informed than those who watch no news at all?

I'M a little sick of people pretending to be above the fracas but whom contribute nothing to the conversation.
 
2012-11-20 07:15:22 PM  

seventypercent: I don't understand the obsession with ratings, either. It doesn't matter who is "winning". In the grand scheme of things, nobody watches cable news. For every slobbering diddler who's watching The O'Reilly Report, there's four of them watching grown men in Spandex hitting themselves over the head with folding chairs in some Vince McMahon "wrestling" ring.


O'Reilly cares about ratings. He has often argued that Fox's higher rating meant conservatism is evidently the more popular philosophy. Now I suppose Bill O'Reilly thinks the liberal voice better expresses the beliefs and concerns of our nation.
 
2012-11-20 07:17:06 PM  

InmanRoshi: Here in Derpistan Texas, judging by the retard facebook reactions of people I went to high school with, Fox News is now personna non-grata for calling Ohio early for Fartbammey and how now been deemed part of the "lamestream librulz media".


That's hilarious. They're pissed because Fox was accurate.
 
2012-11-20 07:17:27 PM  

Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.



Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.


Tragically, this is due to the tribal nature of human beings. The same thing that allows mass murder in the form of war.
 
2012-11-20 07:17:54 PM  

Ablejack: O'Reilly cares about ratings. He has often argued that Fox's higher rating meant conservatism is evidently the more popular philosophy. Now I suppose Bill O'Reilly thinks the liberal voice better expresses the beliefs and concerns of our nation.


I wonder if they realize just how many people who don't agree with them watch/listen to them... I'm talking about Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc....

/especially Rush
 
2012-11-20 07:18:06 PM  
Actual headline (three blogs in to the actual source)

Maddow, O'Donnell Win Demo Last Week, But Fox News Still on Top in Primetime

Link

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2012-11-20 07:22:06 PM  

CapeFearCadaver: Ablejack: O'Reilly cares about ratings. He has often argued that Fox's higher rating meant conservatism is evidently the more popular philosophy. Now I suppose Bill O'Reilly thinks the liberal voice better expresses the beliefs and concerns of our nation.

I wonder if they realize just how many people who don't agree with them watch/listen to them... I'm talking about Beck, Limbaugh, O'Reilly, etc....

/especially Rush


True, I watch Fox at times and occasionally enjoy Rush Limbaugh's inane blathering as well. Keep your friends close...
 
2012-11-20 07:22:15 PM  

nekom: I hate to break it to you, but Australia is NOT more conservative than the United States. No nation outside of the Islamic world is. Sorry, there's just nowhere for you guys to go. Liberals have tons of options, as there are PLENTY of nations more liberal than the USA.


This is true although there are indications that the US is in some ways at least starting to become more liberal than Australia. For example, there is no way marijuana will be legalized in Australia any time soon - until it happens in the US anyway.

Apart from that the US appears to be two countries at the moment, each struggling for dominance over the other. One of those countries is moderately liberal while the other is very conservative to the point of being regressive even oppressive. Sort of like a psuedo-Christian version of Iran.
 
2012-11-20 07:26:40 PM  

Cythraul: nekom: I hate to break it to you, but Australia is NOT more conservative than the United States. No nation outside of the Islamic world is. Sorry, there's just nowhere for you guys to go. Liberals have tons of options, as there are PLENTY of nations more liberal than the USA.

I'm a liberal. But due to my limited education, I don't really have tons of options. I'm stuck here. Not that I'm complaining, much. I'd probably hate living in another country anyway. Would be too much of a culture shock. With maybe the possible exception of Canada... maybe.


Despite all of your horrible problems at the moment I would love to live in the USA. It's where all the action is - if the countries of the world were all cities then the US would be New York City while Australia would be an anonymous, dull middle class suburb of some nice but dull city.
 
2012-11-20 07:27:14 PM  

Cythraul: [pics.livejournal.com image 274x320]


That's my girl!!!!
 
2012-11-20 07:27:31 PM  
HAS ANYONE YET POINTED OUT THAT RACHEL MADDOW LOOKS LIKE A MAN? BECAUSE NO THREAD ABOUT MADDOW OR MSNBC IS COMPLETE UNLESS SOMEONE POINTS OUT THAT RACHEL MADDOW LOOKS LIKE A MAN.
 
2012-11-20 07:30:54 PM  

KiTTeNs_on_AciD:


Yes. She's a hideous, wretched skank. She and Rosie O'Donnell should just get it on and be done with it!
 
2012-11-20 07:34:14 PM  
O'Donnel routinely has a talking head on named Crystal Ball. She looks like a hot stripper and talks like Rachel Maddow. I am not making this up.

I watch MSNBC more than any other cable news but it bugs me seeing them do obvious spin jobs. Reality has a liberal bias. If you have to spin you're probably wrong.

/NPR >> all cable news
 
2012-11-20 07:39:04 PM  

Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.
Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.


Perhaps we're excited that more people are being informed and fewer people are being infromed.
 
2012-11-20 07:40:56 PM  

Zoophagous: O'Donnel routinely has a talking head on named Crystal Ball. She looks like a hot stripper and talks like Rachel Maddow. I am not making this up.

I watch MSNBC more than any other cable news but it bugs me seeing them do obvious spin jobs. Reality has a liberal bias. If you have to spin you're probably wrong.

/NPR >> all cable news


Krystal Ball is an analyst and co-host on MSNBC who was a congressional candidate. She also happens to look like a hot stripper and has a hilarious name.
 
2012-11-20 07:41:34 PM  

Zoophagous: O'Donnel routinely has a talking head on named Crystal Ball. She looks like a hot stripper and talks like Rachel Maddow. I am not making this up.


Krystal is one of four hosts on The Cycle at 3pm eastern.

forums.pelicanparts.com
 
2012-11-20 07:56:15 PM  

Happy Hours: Interesting, but I'm still disturbed that most of you treat this as a college football rivalry. Woohoo!!!!! The liberals are winning!!! Take that Fox News!.

Maybe we should care more about our country than we do about our political affiliation.


Our country does not exist in a non-partisan vacuum.

Besides, not to get all sociological about this, but the enjoyment of supporting rival sports team probably comes from the human tendency to do things like form groups based on common experience and future plans, not vice versa.
 
2012-11-20 07:57:47 PM  
Then again, S.E. Cupp is also on MSNBC.
 
2012-11-20 08:06:05 PM  
Conservative Australia.
National Healthcare. High minimum wage ($15.96 per hour). Higher government mandated wages for most professions. Extensive welfare benefits. Mandated employer contributions to retirement savings plans. Labor coalition in power, allied with Green Party. National carbon emissions tax.
 
2012-11-20 08:09:24 PM  

wademh: Conservative Australia.
National Healthcare. High minimum wage ($15.96 per hour). Higher government mandated wages for most professions. Extensive welfare benefits. Mandated employer contributions to retirement savings plans. Labor coalition in power, allied with Green Party. National carbon emissions tax.


Don't forget that we've never invaded anyone. That's got to be a dealbreaker for Americans.
 
2012-11-20 08:11:45 PM  

nekom: I hate to break it to you, but Australia is NOT more conservative than the United States. No nation outside of the Islamic world is. Sorry, there's just nowhere for you guys to go. Liberals have tons of options, as there are PLENTY of nations more liberal than the USA.


People are going to have to start substituting "less civilized" for "more conservative".
 
2012-11-20 08:14:56 PM  

TalenLee: Don't forget that we've never invaded anyone. That's got to be a dealbreaker for Americans.


Oh, shiat, how could I forget that the third rail of politics here is pissing off the unions? Or the fact we apologised to our native population for our treatment of them? That we admit to genocide and act with humility regarding it? That we are willing to give up an enormously important cultural icon and tourist destination in order to respect their religious beliefs? That we have a government R&D department that gives away its information for free? That we manufacture and grow things? That we mandate voting, which is a clear violation of first amendment rights? That we don't have a Bill Of Rights?
 
2012-11-20 08:49:52 PM  

CygnusDarius: Then again, S.E. Cupp is also on MSNBC.


She has a naughty librarian vibe going.
 
2012-11-20 09:03:32 PM  

TalenLee: wademh: Conservative Australia.
National Healthcare. High minimum wage ($15.96 per hour). Higher government mandated wages for most professions. Extensive welfare benefits. Mandated employer contributions to retirement savings plans. Labor coalition in power, allied with Green Party. National carbon emissions tax.

Don't forget that we've never invaded anyone. That's got to be a dealbreaker for Americans.


No, not really. You were there in Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan. The current anti-immigration policies are pretty nasty. Sentiment towards Aboriginal population remain pretty ugly. And the people are more like sheeple when it comes to bending over and taking it from the banks and other corporate powers. There's a great deal to like about Australia but "redneck" culture is rather pervasive, and not just in in the North and West. But there's some hope. You only seem to be about 20 years behind in social evolution.
 
2012-11-20 09:03:33 PM  

vpb: nekom: I hate to break it to you, but Australia is NOT more conservative than the United States. No nation outside of the Islamic world is. Sorry, there's just nowhere for you guys to go. Liberals have tons of options, as there are PLENTY of nations more liberal than the USA.

I thought those articles about GOPers wanting to leave the country were hilarious. Where would they go? Any country that has the sort of policies they think they want is a third world mud-hole. And mostly full of brown people to boot.


Beautiful Somalia, low taxes, lax regulation, plenty of guns.
 
2012-11-20 09:09:10 PM  

TalenLee: TalenLee: Don't forget that we've never invaded anyone. That's got to be a dealbreaker for Americans.

Oh, shiat, how could I forget that the third rail of politics here is pissing off the unions? Or the fact we apologised to our native population for our treatment of them? That we admit to genocide and act with humility regarding it? That we are willing to give up an enormously important cultural icon and tourist destination in order to respect their religious beliefs? That we have a government R&D department that gives away its information for free? That we manufacture and grow things? That we mandate voting, which is a clear violation of first amendment rights? That we don't have a Bill Of Rights?


When one visits Uluru, and the local rangers tell visitors that climbing Ayers Rock is not something the traditional owners like you get interesting reactions. Germans pretend they did not understand and climb because that's what they wanted to do. Canadians are usually polite and go have a beer instead. Americans split between the two. Australians go ahead and climb without pretending they didn't understand.

Good news is that just this week, it became illegal to ask a female job applicant if they planned to have children soon. The scary thing is that this is perceived to be a mark of being progressive as opposed to being late to the table.
 
2012-11-20 09:12:43 PM  

Infobahn: CygnusDarius: Then again, S.E. Cupp is also on MSNBC.

She has a naughty librarian vibe going.


Yeah, but all of her attractiveness goes away the instant she opens her mouth.

I still can't figure out how one can be an atheist and "aspire to be a person of faith".

It's not that hard. You can be a Christian anytime you want, no one is stopping you.
 
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