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2012-11-20 02:48:23 PM  
The Palestinians out-nazi the Israelis in terms of demonization and propaganda. The naziism isn't all on one side.
So in order to determine who's the most nazi-ish we'd have to divide naziism into categories and see how well our contestants perform in each. A nazi-off, if you will. Winner gets a Klaus Barbie gas chamber action playset.
 
2012-11-20 02:51:33 PM  

Porous Horace: The Palestinians out-nazi the Israelis in terms of demonization and propaganda. The naziism isn't all on one side.
So in order to determine who's the most nazi-ish we'd have to divide naziism into categories and see how well our contestants perform in each. A nazi-off, if you will. Winner gets a Klaus Barbie gas chamber action playset.


I'd watch that if Donald Trump was involved.
 
2012-11-20 02:56:43 PM  

give me doughnuts: 21-7-b: there may now be increased room for dialog between the Turkish government and the PKK, following a ten-week hunger-strike by thousands of Kurdish PKK supporters, which ended peacefully in the last week

Possibly because the hunger-strikers aren't taking up as much space at the negotiating table.


Yeah! that's a long time to go without food. How good would a sugary donut, or ten, taste after ten weeks without food?
 
2012-11-20 02:56:49 PM  

The Larch: parkke0108: dittybopper:
If that happened from one of the small payloads that Hamas can manage to get into the hardware store pipes that they're lobbing at Israel, you might want to talk to your building inspectors. Someone is on the take.

I don't know. I imagine that 5 to 10 lbs of high explosives could cause that.

Wikipedia says 5-20kg depending on Qassam model. So I could definitely believe that kind of damage.

A bunch of fertilizer in a coffee can with a nail and a shotgun shell for a detonator against that much reinforced concrete? I guess it's possible, but it seems unlikely. Most of the photos you see of the aftermath of a Qassam, they've managed to crack a few two-by-fours, break some glass out of some windows, and knock down some ceiling tiles.

Of course, the original poster was talking about the Iranian supplied rockets, which actually have real HE warheads and real detonators. That is a different story entirely. I stand corrected.


I thought even the smaller ones used scavenged TNT. 20kg of TNT will do some damage if it's close to you. If they're using some sort of improvised explosive, then not so much.

/Not an explosives expert
//Am a rocket scientist. Their designs suck.
 
2012-11-20 02:59:55 PM  
For reference, 50lbs TNT: Youtube vid
 
2012-11-20 03:04:07 PM  

Rich Cream: sabreWulf07: Rich Cream: As far as why the Iron Dome has a low rocket interception rate: it only fires on rockets that will actually reach inside cities, not those that will fall in the middle of nowhere

How can they tell how much fuel is in the rocket?

Rockets will follow a predictable ballistic trajectory. These are not cruise missiles.

Fair enough. I figure the defense is set up more for locally than border-ly too. This way you only go for the ones within a smaller angle of direction from source. That's what I was going to go find out. 

/I imagine tinfoil-wrapped match rockets, with some fins, as far as control is concerned.


Essentially. They are basically mortars with a different method of launching. This is also why a large percentage fall in the middle of nowhere.
 
2012-11-20 03:10:39 PM  
tundratabloids.com
 
2012-11-20 03:26:07 PM  

Amos Quito: give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: Kind of sounds like the Warsaw Ghetto, doesn't it?

Also sounds like SOMEONE hasn't learned a damn thing from their own history.

I don't recall the Germans supplying the Warsaw Ghetto with water, electricty, and daily convoys of food and medical supplies. I also don't recall the Germans treating sick and wounded Polish Jews in German hospitals.


Are you suggesting that the people of Gaza are ungrateful for the "gifts" that the humanitarian and philanthropic Zionist Regime *showers* on them?


[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


give me doughnuts: I also don't recall the Warsaw Ghetto firing daily barrages rockets and mortar shells into the rest of Warsaw.


Did the residents of the Warsaw ghetto have access to rockets and mortar shells with which to pummel their tormentors?

No?

Folks tend to make do with what they have. See the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

History repeats - sort of.


Your repeated comparison between the members of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Hamas and those that empower them is so far out of bounds, I'm going to need a telescope to find it...


...ah there it is, right next to the Holocaust denials. Stop it.
 
2012-11-20 03:27:35 PM  

The Larch: If that happened from one of the small payloads that Hamas can manage to get into the hardware store pipes that they're lobbing at Israel, you might want to talk to your building inspectors. Someone is on the take.


They probably don't HAVE building inspectors. Most of their life is scavenged and cobbled-together.

parkke0108: /Not an explosives expert
//Am a rocket scientist. Their designs suck.


Could you do better with the same resources? Alternatively how much more would you need to make "greatest and bestest improvements"?

I'm just curious and the political arguments upthread aren't currently drawing my interest.
 
2012-11-20 03:33:41 PM  

smitty04: [tundratabloids.com image 495x640]


the spell check lines are awesome
 
2012-11-20 03:38:23 PM  

hdhale: Your repeated comparison between the members of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Hamas and those that empower them is so far out of bounds, I'm going to need a telescope to find it...


...ah there it is, right next to the Holocaust denials. Stop it.


Okay, that's interesting. So you're saying that a people who are walled-off, treated like animals, and starved are completely different from another group because that other group has people slipping them arms?

Wait, Polish resistance smuggled weapons to the Jews. Hmm.

I mean I get it, you want there to be differences so you find differences. Arrests instead of street executions, never carting them all off to death camps but instead keeping them trapped away forever. But it really isn't that much different.
 
2012-11-20 03:40:04 PM  
Can we all finally just agree to equally arm everyone in the middle east who has a bone to pick with a neighbor and tell them all to settle it once and for all? Whoever is the last man standing we'll ally with and call it a day.
 
2012-11-20 03:49:29 PM  

Amos Quito: give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: Kind of sounds like the Warsaw Ghetto, doesn't it?

Also sounds like SOMEONE hasn't learned a damn thing from their own history.

I don't recall the Germans supplying the Warsaw Ghetto with water, electricty, and daily convoys of food and medical supplies. I also don't recall the Germans treating sick and wounded Polish Jews in German hospitals.


Are you suggesting that the people of Gaza are ungrateful for the "gifts" that the humanitarian and philanthropic Zionist Regime *showers* on them?


[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


give me doughnuts: I also don't recall the Warsaw Ghetto firing daily barrages rockets and mortar shells into the rest of Warsaw.


Did the residents of the Warsaw ghetto have access to rockets and mortar shells with which to pummel their tormentors?

No?

Folks tend to make do with what they have. See the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

History repeats - sort of.


No. I'm suggesting that your pathetic attempts to equate the situation in Gaza with the Warsaw Ghettos is ridiculous.

As the Nazis eventually killed about 75% of the inhabitants of the Warsaw Ghetto, the Israelis are a few million dead Palestinians off the pace.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-20 04:02:38 PM  
4.bp.blogspot.com

not the actual thing, but an appropriate simulation.
 
d23 [TotalFark]
2012-11-20 04:05:54 PM  

Draskuul: Can we all finally just agree to equally arm everyone in the middle east who has a bone to pick with a neighbor and tell them all to settle it once and for all? Whoever is the last man standing we'll ally with and call it a day.


I am for a non-metaphorical iron dome.
 
2012-11-20 04:09:15 PM  

d23: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 560x373]

not the actual thing, but an appropriate simulation.


Yes. That is the exact equivalent of a two meter long steel rocket with a 20kg explosive warhead.
 
2012-11-20 04:15:50 PM  
Just mentioning muslims makes all the Christian fundamentalists froth at the mouth and brings the pro-Israel propagandists out in droves to whip them into a frenzy.

The propagandists ensure there is never any intelligent debate on the middle east. They redefine the narrative so there are only two options: unconditional support of Israel or supporting terrorism.

The IDF could put every Palestinian man, woman and child on their knees and murder them and fark threads would still look exactly like this one.
 
2012-11-20 04:28:01 PM  
The IDF could put every Palestinian man, woman and child on their knees and murder them and fark threads would still look exactly like this one.


The IDF could get on their knees and commit seppuku and the Israel haters would still be hating.
 
2012-11-20 04:36:24 PM  
not the actual thing, but an appropriate simulation.


This is what happens if the firecracker lands too close to you.

imageshack.us
 
2012-11-20 04:45:15 PM  

d23: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 560x373]

not the actual thing, but an appropriate simulation.



farm4.static.flickr.com 

/hold the flame under the match head, not the body, you dolt!
//tempted to pull out some foil and matches, for old times sake.
 
 
2012-11-20 04:47:29 PM  

d23: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 560x373]

not the actual thing, but an appropriate simulation.


www.globalsecurity.org
 
2012-11-20 04:53:20 PM  
The United Nations should be moved from NYC-its new head quarters should be in Israel. Let's see how quickly all the world nations would get this crap taken care of.
 
2012-11-20 04:59:21 PM  
Serious question: WHY are the rockets painted the color gay?
 
2012-11-20 05:03:08 PM  
Serious question: WHY are the rockets painted the color gay?


You've seen pictures of IDF women soldiers, have you not?

You may have noticed that Hamas is not surrendering them.

Need I say more?
 
2012-11-20 05:20:45 PM  

give me doughnuts: d23: [4.bp.blogspot.com image 560x373]

not the actual thing, but an appropriate simulation.

Yes. That is the exact equivalent of a two meter long steel rocket with a 20kg explosive warhead.


I believe the point was quality of guidance system/accuracy, not what happens when they get lucky enough to hit someone.
 
2012-11-20 05:24:07 PM  

Kit Fister: [sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net image 700x534]


Exactly
 
2012-11-20 05:34:07 PM  

Itstoearly: Hey Hamas, stop hitting yourself


They hit themselves a lot. I think this is the first time it was due to a rocket going long instead of short, though.

Darth_Lukecash: it was one of 95 rockets launched into Israel on Wednesday. Thirty of them were intercepted by the Iron Dome system

Wow. If I'd have a defense system that only worked 1/3 of the time- I'd ask for my money back...


Most of the time it doesn't even try to engage. If the inbound isn't going to hit anything important it's simply allowed to fall, no point in using a $100k interceptor to protect a field or the like.

Amos Quito: Prior to June, 2010 when international pressure FORCED Israel to loosen the straps on its jackboots, these were some of the items that Israel banned from Gaza - you know, to allow the Zionists to "defend themselves":


Except this list is part of the lie. That is a list of items that were denied importing at least once--but that doesn't mean the item was banned. It could also mean the importer was banned--namely, any Hamas-run business.

prjindigo: Track data from the Iron Dome systems reports more than 100 rockets never made it out of Gaza to begin with.
So of course the farkballs are claiming they were Israeli bombs.


Yup. One child death that made a splash has since been shown to be a Hamas rocket that fell short. I suspect one more based on the photograph of the scene.
 
2012-11-20 06:07:27 PM  

limeyfellow: Really Hamas sucks. Even Hezbollah are far more capable,


Hezbollah blows up main battle tanks

Hamas blows up passenger cars
 
2012-11-20 06:29:10 PM  

limeyfellow: At least they aren't using IEDs targeted properly to gain maximum casualties.


That would be because Israel put a stop to that nonsense.
 
2012-11-20 06:52:17 PM  

smitty04: [tundratabloids.com image 49smitty04: [tundratabloids.com image 495x640]

Not sure about the difference but there is one glaring similarity... Both were created by the US and Israel.
http://www.washingtonsblog.com/2012/11/israel-and-the-u-s-created-ham a s-hezbollah-and-other-terrorists-via-blowback.html

 
2012-11-20 08:24:31 PM  
The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot that pertains to asymmetric warfare in an urban setting, in which the army deliberately targets civilian infrastructure, as a means of inducing suffering for the civilian population, thereby establishing deterrence.

The first public announcement of the doctrine was made by General Gadi Eizenkot, commander of the IDF's northern front, in October 2008. He said that what happened in the Dahiya (also transliterated as Dahiyeh and Dahieh) quarter of Beirut in 2006 would, "happen in every village from which shots were fired in the direction of Israel. We will wield disproportionate power against [them] and cause immense damage and destruction. From our perspective, these are military bases... this isn't a suggestion. Its a plan that has already been authorized... harming the population is the only means of restraining Nasrallah.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dahiya_doctrine

The Samson Option is Israel's alleged deterrence strategy of massive retaliation with nuclear weapons as a "last resort" against nations whose military attacks threaten its existence, and possibly against other targets as well.

Ron Rosenbaum writes in his 2012 book How the End Begins: The Road to a Nuclear World War III that in the "aftermath of a second Holocaust" Israel's surviving Dolphin-class nuclear missile submarines would retaliate not only against Israel's attackers, but "bring down the pillars of the world (attack Moscow and European capitals for instance)" as well as the "holy places of Islam." He writes that "abandonment of proportionality is the essence" of the Samson Option.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samson_Option

During the 1973 war, Israel used nuclear blackmail to force Kissinger and Nixon to airlift massive amounts of military hardware to Israel. The Israeli Ambassador, Simha Dinitz, is quoted as saying, at the time, "If a massive airlift to Israel does not start immediately, then I will know that the U.S. is reneging on its promises and...we will have to draw very serious conclusions..."(30) Just one example of this strategy was spelled out in 1987 by Amos Rubin, economic adviser to Prime Minister Yitzhak Shamir, who said "If left to its own Israel will have no choice but to fall back on a riskier defense which will endanger itself and the world at large... To enable Israel to abstain from dependence on nuclear arms calls for $2 to 3 billion per year in U.S. aid."

http://www.globalresearch.ca/articles/STE203A.html

Hersh includes two threatening sounding quotations from Israeli leaders. He writes that a "former Israeli govt official" with "first hand knowledge of his government's nuclear weapons program" told him: We can still remember the smell of Auschwitz and Treblinka. Next time we'll take all of you with us.[14] And he quotes then Israeli defense minister Ariel Sharon [who later became prime minister] as saying: We are much more important than (Americans) think. We can take the Middle East with us whenever we go.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Sam...Foreign_Policy

In our struggle against apartheid, the great supporters were Jewish people. They almost instinctively had to be on the side of the disenfranchised, of the voiceless ones, fighting injustice, oppression and evil. I have continued to feel strongly with the Jews. I am patron of a Holocaust centre in South Africa. I believe Israel has a right to secure borders.
What is not so understandable, not justified, is what it did to another people to guarantee its existence. I've been very deeply distressed in my visit to the Holy Land; it reminded me so much of what happened to us black people in South Africa. I have seen the humiliation of the Palestinians at checkpoints and roadblocks, suffering like us when young white police officers prevented us from moving about.

On one of my visits to the Holy Land I drove to a church with the Anglican bishop in Jerusalem. I could hear tears in his voice as he pointed to Jewish settlements. I thought of the desire of Israelis for security. But what of the Palestinians who have lost their land and homes?

I have experienced Palestinians pointing to what were their homes, now occupied by Jewish Israelis. I was walking with Canon Naim Ateek (the head of the Sabeel Ecumenical Centre) in Jerusalem. He pointed and said: "Our home was over there. We were driven out of our home; it is now occupied by Israeli Jews."

My heart aches. I say why are our memories so short. Have our Jewish sisters and brothers forgotten their humiliation? Have they forgotten the collective punishment, the home demolitions, in their own history so soon? Have they turned their backs on their profound and noble religious traditions? Have they forgotten that God cares deeply about the downtrodden?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2002/apr/29/comment
 
2012-11-20 08:36:42 PM  
I keep waiting for a Hamas rocket to hit the Mosque of Omar.

That would be Israel's fault, right?
 
2012-11-20 08:40:24 PM  

Mr.Sharpy: This is a pretty radical idea, but I'm going to say it anyway. Obviously, this region causes nothing but trouble. It has for millennia. It doesn't matter who holds the territory at any given time, someone else always feels like they have an entitlement to it and is willing to kill for it. These conflicts and tensions spill out into the wider world and make every one of us less safe. Just look at our history. This land has been made figuratively uninhabitable by the blood of a hundred cultures spilled upon it.

I believe that a coalition of world powers should come together, and agree that this land is too contentious, because of its history, for anyone to hold. Every man, woman, child, dog, cat and goat should be evacuated and absorbed into the rest of the world, and then we render Israel and Gaza literally uninhabitable. Salt the earth there. Make it so that no one may set foot within its former borders without dying for a thousand years.

I know that it's the holy land for multiple cultures, but the locality of that is irrelevant. It's the ideas that those locations represent that are important to your religion, and you will get over it.


Or just give it to Disney to run and monitize the whole thing.
 
2012-11-20 09:41:52 PM  

hdhale: Amos Quito: give me doughnuts: Amos Quito: Kind of sounds like the Warsaw Ghetto, doesn't it?

Also sounds like SOMEONE hasn't learned a damn thing from their own history.

I don't recall the Germans supplying the Warsaw Ghetto with water, electricty, and daily convoys of food and medical supplies. I also don't recall the Germans treating sick and wounded Polish Jews in German hospitals.


Are you suggesting that the people of Gaza are ungrateful for the "gifts" that the humanitarian and philanthropic Zionist Regime *showers* on them?


[static.guim.co.uk image 460x276]


give me doughnuts: I also don't recall the Warsaw Ghetto firing daily barrages rockets and mortar shells into the rest of Warsaw.


Did the residents of the Warsaw ghetto have access to rockets and mortar shells with which to pummel their tormentors?

No?

Folks tend to make do with what they have. See the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising

History repeats - sort of.

Your repeated comparison between the members of the Warsaw Ghetto Uprising and Hamas and those that empower them is so far out of bounds, I'm going to need a telescope to find it...


...ah there it is, right next to the Holocaust denials. Stop it.



Wait, you think that comparing the situation in Gaza with that of the Warsaw Ghetto is "out of bounds"?

And you're threatening to accuse me on "Holocaust Denial" if I persist?

Perhaps you're right. Perhaps Gaza and the Warsaw ghetto bear no resemblance, and have no common features. Let's find out:

Warsaw: Large numbers of people, men, women and children, were forced into and confined in a small, densely packed area by a hostile outside force (Nazis)
Gaza: Large numbers of people, men, women and children, were forced into and confined in a small, densely packed area by a hostile outside force (Zionists)

Check.

Warsaw: The decision of who would be forced into and confined in this area was based not on the actual or perceived threat of the individual, but on that individual's ethnicity (Jewish)
Gaza: The decision of who would be forced into and confined in this area was based not on the actual or perceived threat of the individual, but on that individual's ethnicity (Palestinian)

Check.

Warsaw: Entering or exiting the area, while not entirely prohibited, was severely limited by the occupying force (Nazis), who tightly controlled ingress and egress, often using the age, sex and other arbitrary factors
Gaza: Entering or exiting the area, while not entirely prohibited, was severely limited by the occupying force (Zionists), who tightly controlled ingress and egress, often using the age, sex and other arbitrary factors

Check.

Warsaw: The flow of goods in and out of the area was under strict control of the occupying force (Nazis), not only to prevent "dangerous materials" from falling into the hands of those perceived as a threat, but to keep the population weak and helpless, and as a form of collective punishment
Gaza: The flow of goods in and out of the area was under strict control of the occupying force (Zionists and their lap-dogs in Egypt), not only to prevent "dangerous materials" from falling into the hands of those perceived as a threat, but to keep the population weak and helpless, and as a form of collective punishment

Check.

Warsaw: The occupying forces (Nazis) actually used calorie counts to calculate how much food should be allowed into the occupied area
Gaza: The occupying forces (Zionists) actually used calorie counts to calculate how much food should be allowed into the occupied area

Check.

Warsaw: The severe stranglehold which the occupiers (Nazis) placed on the occupied (Jews) forced the latter to resort to desperate measures in order to survive, including the clever, covert smuggling of "contraband", including foods and medicines
Gaza: The severe stranglehold which the occupiers (Zionists) placed on the occupied (Palestinians) forced the latter to resort to desperate measures in order to survive, including the clever, covert smuggling of "contraband", including foods and medicines

Check.

Warsaw: In spite of the SEVERE restrictions imposed by the occupying force (Nazis), the residents managed, if only for the sake of sanity, to maintain some semblance of "normal life", including religious, educational and "sophisticated" cultural activities
Gaza: In spite of the SEVERE restrictions imposed by the occupying force (Zionists), the residents manage, if only for the sake of sanity, to maintain some semblance of "normal life", including religious, educational and "sophisticated" cultural activities

Check.

Warsaw: Within the confines of the ghetto, the occupied were permitted a certain degree of autonomy - to govern and police themselves (Judenrat)
Gaza: Within the confines of the ghetto, the occupied were permitted a certain degree of autonomy - to govern and police themselves (Currently Hamas)

Check.

Warsaw: In spite of the daunting restrictions and overwhelming force of the occupiers (Nazis), the spirit of resistance remained strong - even though said resistance was inevitably met with devastating consequences intended as a collective punishment, not only of the resistors, but of the population as a whole
Gaza: In spite of the daunting restrictions and overwhelming force of the occupiers (Zionists), the spirit of resistance remained strong - even though said resistance was inevitably met with devastating consequences intended as a collective punishment, not only of the resistors, but of the population as a whole

Check.

Warsaw: A huge percentage of the population was eventually murdered by the occupiers (Nazis) in a campaign that can only be described as genocidal ethnic cleansing
Gaza:

codinghorror.typepad.com
"The day ain't over yet"

So, hdhale, while I can see that comparing Gaza to the Warsaw Ghetto might be upsetting to you, I'm afraid that said comparisons are not without validity.

Call me a "Holocaust Denier" if you must, but proceed with the understanding that doing so makes you look desperate and pathetic.

Zionists have become that thing that they ceaselessly use to "justify" their very existence.

Have a nice day.
 
2012-11-20 09:49:18 PM  

cegorach: The Dahiya doctrine is a military strategy put forth by the Israeli general Gadi Eizenkot...



Interesting.
 
2012-11-20 10:04:52 PM  

OMG! We're All Gonna Die!: So israeli children are fair game? Israel only targets rocket installations. Hamas however is just as happy with dead Jews. In a fair war the objective is to eliminate your enemys ability to wage war. Not to kill people. Explain that to all of your liberal friends and tell them to tell their al Qaeda buddies and maybe we'll solve this problem.


Nothing about this conflict (you lie when calling it war) is fair. The Israelis have been favored since '48.
 
2012-11-20 10:06:13 PM  
Come on, just a liiiiiiiiiiitle further over...

www.happytellus.com
 
2012-11-20 10:22:17 PM  

Alleyoop: Come on, just a liiiiiiiiiiitle further over...

[www.happytellus.com image 500x375]


www.travel-images.com


Careful, the accuracy of those weapons isn't all that great.

/Wouldn't want to harm a "fingernail", now would we?
 
2012-11-21 01:02:33 AM  

Rapmaster2000: No, that's actually a success from Hamas' perspective.

Who run West Bank?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fatah%E2%80%93Hamas_conflict

Fatah lost elections, started a civil war (funded by Israel and the US, since even duly-elected democratic representatives are terrorists if we say so) against Hamas.

Get that, everybody? After Yassar Arafat spent years getting the international community to think of the Palestinian Liberation Organization as something more than just a terrorist organization, as soon as he died and the "secular" arm of the PLO lost an election, the US interfered with the democratic process to arm a bunch of "former terrorists" so they could attack a bunch of "scarier" former terrorists.

Then Israel used "escalating conflict" as an excuse to deny food and medicine to the region, or to shoot whoever gets near the walls they built to keep the duly-elected democratic victors isolated from everyone else.


Every Israeli dead at the hands of a Palestinian is dead because the government of Israel decided it would be better to arm the losers of the Palestinian elections to create an authoritarian "client" state (the way the US did with Iraq in the '70s), and they did it with funds and weapons from the US.


The word "terrorist" increasingly means "person or group the US wants to destroy without being held accountable for the methods used to achieve such objectives." Justifying refusing medical aid to children, or ignoring Israel's culpability for the shooting death of children by IDF because their parents voted for a "terrorist" group in a public election is ridiculous.
 
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