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(Washington Post)   The extreme right of the conservative base is starting to weigh in on the GOP's devastating loss: See, we told you that Mitt Romney was too moderate   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 157
    More: Unlikely, Mitt Romney, GOP, Bob Vander Plaats, human beings, Federalist Society, moderates, Ted Cruz, John McCain  
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2012-11-20 02:28:14 PM  
Does anyone with half a brain really believe that there are far right-wingers who didn't vote for Romney because he wasn't Conservative enough? Where was their vote going, if so? Those people are so scared of the "black muslim socialist" you better believe they held their noses and voted for Romney. He swung to the centre (or tried to) to bring in the moderates, who he *didn't* have locked up.

How can anyone not realize this?
 
2012-11-20 02:39:47 PM  

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: YoungSwedishBlonde: STOP F*CKING INSINUATING THAT THEY'RE JUST LOOKING FOR HANDOUTS EVERYTIME YOU ASSHOLES LOSE AN ELECTION.

Truth is that they offer their own handouts, but they're only for the super rich and those people don't get the 1 million votes apiece that they rightfully deserve to balance out all the poor people who don't do anything to deserve their votes.

or some such dumbass logic.


Basically this.

Anytime they whine about handouts to college students, poor people, and the elderly, I just think of the handouts they support giving to folks like multinational corporations, the rich, oil and coal companies, defense contractors, etc.

Then I can't help but get angry at the sheer hypocrisy of the whole thing.
 
2012-11-20 03:10:24 PM  

FeedTheCollapse: Holocaust Agnostic: To moderate OS actually a reasonable diagnosis. He had to sprint right in the primary and then sprint back. It made him out to be a flip flopper and he was never able to stake out a clear position or sound earnest about anything. I suspect that someone to the right of him would have lost by a substantially smaller margin.



I disagree with that assessment. I think Romney's relative moderation did make it a pain to go through the primaries of an increasingly extremist party, but a Santorum or Bachmann candidacy would've been absolutely slaughtered in the general election. From the getgo, even with all of his flaws, Romney was easily the most likely to beat Obama.... and he still lost.

I don't think Romney looked like a flip-flopper because he had to move from positions stated in the primary to positions that sit well in the general... it's that he had no real spin involved. Say one thing that contradicts a previous/statement position? "No I didn't say that" seem to be his only excuse. And those flip-flops weren't just limited to his presidential run, but pretty much his entire career; this all totaled up into a picture of either someone that cannot be trusted or someone that doesn't know, or care, about the position he is currently upselling.

A far right candidate probably would've been more consistent on their message, which probably would've lead to a more excited base... but it would be a small, excited base that would've excited Obama's base even more.


dehehn: UberDave: unlikely: Starting?

That's what I cam here to say. They started going berserk at about 10pm (CST) a couple of weeks ago.

No they started in 2007 during the primaries when they said McCain was too moderate. They conveniently forget that both McCain and Romney abandonded all of their moderate ideals to win their support in those primaries, losing all of their moderate credibility in the process. We'll never know what a true moderate race would have looked like because moderate Republicans can't get through the current primary process.

Had Jon Huntsman won by sticking to his moderate guns, I bet he would have beaten Obama pretty handily. Especially since he isn't a robber baron who shiats on half the country as moochers.


Just wanted to emphasize that Romney was not "easily the most likely to beat Obama" that would go to Mr. Huntsman. Otherwise, well done Mr. Collapse.

I still firmly believe Huntsman would have won with the current cultural/political/economic environment quite handily. But crazy conservatives held it against the guy that he spoke Mandarin fluently - that's the kind of party they have, where speaking the language of the most important rising power in the world is considered a defect.
 
2012-11-20 03:25:37 PM  

alaric1224: I still firmly believe Huntsman would have won with the current cultural/political/economic environment quite handily. But crazy conservatives held it against the guy that he spoke Mandarin fluently - that's the kind of party they have, where speaking the language of the most important rising power in the world is considered a defect.


And that warms my heart. The GOP, to give it a boost, adopted the bigots, the freaks, and the conspiracy nuts - the political Tafurs, as I like to call them - to use as shock troops for the 2008 election. By 2010, they had taken over the GOP - teabaggers were now in Congress. By 2012, the GOP wanted to distance themselves from these gut-eating morons, but it was too late. The teabaggers now own the GOP. They pissed all over the only possibly electable moderate GOP candidate, Jon Huntsman, while pushing their own horrid spawn - and because they couldn't agree on a single horrid spawn (each subgroup has its own ax to grind, after all), they ended up not with the best, but with the least objectionable, candidate.

Mitt "Political Windsock" Romney.

A man congenitally unable to express the simple truth about anything. A disingenuous used car salesman, whose best skill was averaging opinions together until he could say something that sounded blandly amicable to both sides of an argument, not to mention a reasonable talent for belittling "the common man" and dodging questions.

Of course the extremists are claiming that lack of purity, of monomaniacal purpose, is what felled them - because that's what felled them. That's not what felled the GOP, though. The seeds of that failure were planted years ago, when the GOP decided to embrace the Tafurs and push their Crusade. The Crusade failed, and the Tafurs are eating the dead.
 
2012-11-20 04:42:29 PM  

tagkc: Someone should let them know that if their candidate had the backing of God, God has turned his back on them.... Just sayin'


I'm sure people have told them as such. They probably counter by suggesting that it is a test by God. He wants the Republican Party to regroup and focus more on their core principles.
 
2012-11-20 05:37:41 PM  
Yes, make the 2014 and 2016 elections all about more conservatism.
 
2012-11-21 10:03:54 AM  

DRFS Rich: Does anyone with half a brain really believe that there are far right-wingers who didn't vote for Romney because he wasn't Conservative enough? Where was their vote going, if so? Those people are so scared of the "black muslim socialist" you better believe they held their noses and voted for Romney. He swung to the centre (or tried to) to bring in the moderates, who he *didn't* have locked up.

How can anyone not realize this?



Right wing extremists apparently have less than half a brain. On some level they know what you're saying is true, but they're in denial. Admitting that they're too far to the right for this country would ruin them, and they're not moving farther to the left.
 
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