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(Washington Post)   The extreme right of the conservative base is starting to weigh in on the GOP's devastating loss: See, we told you that Mitt Romney was too moderate   (washingtonpost.com) divider line 157
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2012-11-20 09:48:24 AM
Starting?
 
2012-11-20 10:03:10 AM
Two days after the election, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told ABC News that the Republicans' mission was to appeal to nonwhite voters: "How do we speak to all Americans? You know, not just to people who look like us and act like us, but how do we speak to all Americans?"

I would like Boehner to go on the air and explain those three words.
 
2012-11-20 10:03:54 AM

unlikely: Starting?


That's what I cam here to say. They started going berserk at about 10pm (CST) a couple of weeks ago.
 
2012-11-20 10:15:37 AM
DO IT
 
2012-11-20 10:17:11 AM
The Republican party is considerably more moderate than the conservatives I know.
 
2012-11-20 10:18:15 AM
And then, inevitably, there are these mandarins of politics, who give the voice: 'Don't show any contrasts. Don't rock the boat.' So by the third debate, I'm pretty certain Mitt Romney actually French-kissed Barack Obama."


Shouldn't that be Freedom-kissed?
 
2012-11-20 10:18:17 AM
Keep moving further to the extreme fringe. What could possibly go wrong?
 
2012-11-20 10:19:19 AM
After nearly two weeks of listening to GOP officials pledge to assert greater control over the party and its most strident voices in the wake of Romney's loss, grass-roots activists have begun to fight back, saying that they are not to blame for the party's losses in November.

they are PARTLY to blame, not completely or solely to blame. the GOP lost to a combination of reasons, everything from contempt towards 47% of voters to class warfare to an extreme right wing religious theocratic philosophies. then there was the exceptionally bad campaign organization Romney put together. plenty of blame to go around on this issue...and it'd would do the GOP a disservice to pin all the blame on ONE faction within the Republican party.

that said, the GOP does have a problem with their theocrats. they need to reign in the religious folks if they plan on climbing out of the hole they've dug for the Republican party.
 
2012-11-20 10:19:37 AM
That's it, I'm voting for Obama.
 
2012-11-20 10:20:27 AM

dahmers love zombie: Two days after the election, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told ABC News that the Republicans' mission was to appeal to nonwhite voters: "How do we speak to all Americans? You know, not just to people who look like us and act like us, but how do we speak to all Americans?"

I would like Boehner to go on the air and explain those three words.


You know. People who have jobs.
 
2012-11-20 10:20:46 AM
psychsurvivor2.files.wordpress.com

"He lost because he wasn't Conservative enough."
 
2012-11-20 10:21:48 AM

Weaver95: After nearly two weeks of listening to GOP officials pledge to assert greater control over the party and its most strident voices in the wake of Romney's loss, grass-roots activists have begun to fight back, saying that they are not to blame for the party's losses in November.

they are PARTLY to blame, not completely or solely to blame. the GOP lost to a combination of reasons, everything from contempt towards 47% of voters to class warfare to an extreme right wing religious theocratic philosophies. then there was the exceptionally bad campaign organization Romney put together. plenty of blame to go around on this issue...and it'd would do the GOP a disservice to pin all the blame on ONE faction within the Republican party.

that said, the GOP does have a problem with their theocrats. they need to reign in the religious folks if they plan on climbing out of the hole they've dug for the Republican party.


Then they have to be willing to lose for a couple years, like a baseball team rebuilding.
 
2012-11-20 10:22:32 AM
Geez, you'd think some of these guys are so extreme they don't even admit there is a left side to their own bodies.

Nope, only have two right eyes, two right hands, two right feet...
 
2012-11-20 10:22:44 AM
FTA: "The moderates have had their candidate in 2008 and they had their candidate in 2012. And they got crushed in both elections. Now they tell us we have to keep moderating. If we do that, will we win?" said Bob Vander Plaats, president of the Family Leader

The fun thing about nutjobs is they don't realize they're nutjobs.
 
2012-11-20 10:22:56 AM

ghare:

Then they have to be willing to lose for a couple years, like a baseball team rebuilding.


I think that's going to happen no matter what.
 
2012-11-20 10:23:18 AM
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Soon
 
2012-11-20 10:23:20 AM

DarnoKonrad: The Republican party is considerably more moderate than the conservatives I know.


Really? Liberals tend to be much further left leaning than their party--I know conservatives that span the entire range of their party--most towards the far right.
 
2012-11-20 10:24:10 AM
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2012-11-20 10:24:12 AM

Weaver95: ghare:

Then they have to be willing to lose for a couple years, like a baseball team rebuilding.

I think that's going to happen no matter what.


Depends on what part of the country they're in.
 
2012-11-20 10:25:53 AM
Look, dipshiats, your own party thought that Frothy, Corn Dog, N*bonghead, Major Tom Gingrich and 9-9-9 were too fringe during the primaries. What makes you think voters will go down Derp Highway again in 2016?
 
2012-11-20 10:26:01 AM

ghare: Weaver95: ghare:

Then they have to be willing to lose for a couple years, like a baseball team rebuilding.

I think that's going to happen no matter what.

Depends on what part of the country they're in.


point conceded - there are areas of this country that will always vote for the american taliban. But if that becomes the core of the GOP then the Republicans doom themselves to becoming a regional party and will lose control of Congress.
 
2012-11-20 10:26:02 AM

TimonC346: DarnoKonrad: The Republican party is considerably more moderate than the conservatives I know.

Really? Liberals tend to be much further left leaning than their party--I know conservatives that span the entire range of their party--most towards the far right.


I don't think he was comparing Dem vs. GOP, but you're right. Most liberals (like myself) only grudgingly support the Democrats as our only real choice sans a truly "liberal" party.
 
2012-11-20 10:26:09 AM
Please proceed GOP
 
2012-11-20 10:26:25 AM
Yes. This is true.

They could have won had they been more conservative.

I fully support their efforts to move further right and create the theocracy that our Christian founders intended.

They lost because of the MSM and atheists are destroying this great nation.

Fight on brothers!
 
2012-11-20 10:26:33 AM

coeyagi: Look, dipshiats, your own party thought that Frothy, Corn Dog, N*bonghead, Major Tom Gingrich and 9-9-9 were too fringe during the primaries. What makes you think voters will go down Derp Highway again in 2016?


LOL thats not what happened
 
2012-11-20 10:26:47 AM

TimonC346: DarnoKonrad: The Republican party is considerably more moderate than the conservatives I know.

Really? Liberals tend to be much further left leaning than their party--I know conservatives that span the entire range of their party--most towards the far right.


Nobody really thinks the Democrats are liberal, do they?
 
2012-11-20 10:27:03 AM

dahmers love zombie: Two days after the election, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told ABC News that the Republicans' mission was to appeal to nonwhite voters: "How do we speak to all Americans? You know, not just to people who look like us and act like us, but how do we speak to all Americans?"

I would like Boehner to go on the air and explain those three words.


He's saying that they need to expand their base and start to go after the non-douchebag voters.
 
2012-11-20 10:27:42 AM
I approve of the GOP's efforts to further marginalize themselves. Go for broke gents
 
2012-11-20 10:28:25 AM

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: TimonC346: DarnoKonrad: The Republican party is considerably more moderate than the conservatives I know.

Really? Liberals tend to be much further left leaning than their party--I know conservatives that span the entire range of their party--most towards the far right.

I don't think he was comparing Dem vs. GOP, but you're right. Most liberals (like myself) only grudgingly support the Democrats as our only real choice sans a truly "liberal" party.


this
 
2012-11-20 10:30:02 AM
To moderate OS actually a reasonable diagnosis. He had to sprint right in the primary and then sprint back. It made him out to be a flip flopper and he was never able to stake out a clear position or sound earnest about anything. I suspect that someone to the right of him would have lost by a substantiall
 
2012-11-20 10:30:36 AM

CPennypacker: coeyagi: Look, dipshiats, your own party thought that Frothy, Corn Dog, N*bonghead, Major Tom Gingrich and 9-9-9 were too fringe during the primaries. What makes you think voters will go down Derp Highway again in 2016?

LOL thats not what happened


Really? Then what happened? $$$$? So start a collection by the evangelicals. Let's see if that really gets them over the 20% hump in the primaries.
 
2012-11-20 10:30:37 AM
To moderate OS actually a reasonable diagnosis. He had to sprint right in the primary and then sprint back. It made him out to be a flip flopper and he was never able to stake out a clear position or sound earnest about anything. I suspect that someone to the right of him would have lost by a substantially smaller margin.
 
2012-11-20 10:30:54 AM

Muta: FTA: "The moderates have had their candidate in 2008 and they had their candidate in 2012. And they got crushed in both elections. Now they tell us we have to keep moderating. If we do that, will we win?" said Bob Vander Plaats, president of the Family Leader

The fun thing about nutjobs is they don't realize they're nutjobs.


Bobby Ass Der Splats needs to be told to STFU and GTFO.
 
2012-11-20 10:32:33 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Please proceed GOP

 
2012-11-20 10:33:55 AM

DarnoKonrad: The Republican party is considerably more moderate than the conservatives I know.


Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait...strike that. Reverse it.
 
2012-11-20 10:34:23 AM

Nonrepeating Rotating Binary: Geez, you'd think some of these guys are so extreme they don't even admit there is a left side to their own bodies.

Nope, only have two right eyes, two right hands, two right feet...


Well lord knows they tend to go in circles.
 
2012-11-20 10:34:32 AM
What sunk the election was the litany of stupid comments from others, like Akin.

And an imprecise description of how economics work. Bain became the boogyman because most people don't know the ultimate goal of venture capitalists is to trim costs, revive a company, and sell it as a larger and healthier concern. Good ones are more successful at it than others, and some distressed companies are too far gone to save.

We are truly headed for a debt-laden crater in the road unless we figure out how to decrease spending, and possibly increase taxes. Definitely need to increase employment, therefore raising revenues through growth.

I would agree the tide may have shifted a little on other issues, too, although the main points of loss this time were poor communication by Romney's campaign and idiotic slut/rape commentaries that made no sense.
 
2012-11-20 10:34:39 AM
What I call the Barry Goldwater theory: I'd rather pick the right guy, even though he is likely to lose, than pick the wrong guy, even though he has a better shot at winning.

Granted Goldwater's loss was partially attributable to a backlash to the Kennedy assassination, he was still the right guy. And he got smoked.
 
2012-11-20 10:35:35 AM
Conservatism cannot fail, it can only be failed.

And really, who didn't see this coming?
 
2012-11-20 10:35:49 AM

Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Please proceed GOP


These three words are going to be used a lot by the left during the next 4 years...
 
2012-11-20 10:36:20 AM

SlothB77: What I call the Barry Goldwater theory: I'd rather pick the right guy, even though he is likely to lose, than pick the wrong guy, even though he has a better shot at winning.

Granted Goldwater's loss was partially attributable to a backlash to the Kennedy assassination, he was still the right guy. And he got smoked.


Not so much the right guy if you happened to be black.
 
2012-11-20 10:36:38 AM
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Please do, you may be able to garner 100 or so electoral college votes in the next election.
 
2012-11-20 10:37:17 AM

hugram: Dr. DJ Duckhunt: Please proceed GOP

These three words are going to be used a lot by the left during the next 4 years...


And if possible in the context of the media being used, should be accompanied by the following image:

www.cnac.org
 
2012-11-20 10:37:20 AM
The "not conservative enough" excuse is just so incredibly dumb I'm surprised even the right wing echo chamber can't see it.

If a true conservative would have won, why did Romney beat out all of the arch-conservative nutters in the primary?

If a true conservative would have won, why did Obama get more votes despite being more liberal than Romney?

If you truly think there are all these people who will only vote for a true conservative then why enable and vote for RINOs when you think they are destined to be losers who garner fewer votes?

The answer to all of these is because you're a goddamn moron if you think a more radical candidate would win where a more moderate one lost.
 
2012-11-20 10:37:40 AM

UberDave: unlikely: Starting?

That's what I cam here to say. They started going berserk at about 10pm (CST) a couple of weeks decades ago.

 
2012-11-20 10:37:40 AM

dahmers love zombie: Two days after the election, House Speaker John A. Boehner (R-Ohio) told ABC News that the Republicans' mission was to appeal to nonwhite voters: "How do we speak to all Americans? You know, not just to people who look like us and act like us, but how do we speak to all Americans?"

I would like Boehner to go on the air and explain those three words.


What's mysterious about it?
 
2012-11-20 10:38:09 AM
Was I wrong in thinking that Romney's post election comments about the Obama gifts-to-voters was supposed to appeal to the right wing of the GOP?
 
2012-11-20 10:38:28 AM
Good luck with that. You only lost so big because the Conservative base stayed home, right?
 
2012-11-20 10:39:35 AM

CPennypacker: DO IT


Let's not.

The Democrats could screw the pooch next election, and we could be left with a raging arseclown leading the US.
 
2012-11-20 10:40:03 AM

odinsposse: The "not conservative enough" excuse is just so incredibly dumb I'm surprised even the right wing echo chamber can't see it.

If a true conservative would have won, why did Romney beat out all of the arch-conservative nutters in the primary?

If a true conservative would have won, why did Obama get more votes despite being more liberal than Romney?

If you truly think there are all these people who will only vote for a true conservative then why enable and vote for RINOs when you think they are destined to be losers who garner fewer votes?

The answer to all of these is because you're a goddamn moron if you think a more radical candidate would win where a more moderate one lost.


Simple answer they'll give you:

Romney did not energize the base to get out and vote (regardless of the legitimacy of that claim).

Personally, they seem pretty "energized" to me:

completeoutrage.files.wordpress.com
 
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