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(Jezebel)   Long, long ago, Black Friday sales started on a day called "Friday". Ah, those halcyon days of innocence, when retailers cared about employees, elves could pass sex offender background checks, and no one cared about nativity scenes (Not safe for work language)   (jezebel.com) divider line 84
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2012-11-20 11:31:20 AM  
Frighteningly, here in Canada we're going to be trying to do our own Black Friday for the first time. It's been strangely low-key compared to the hullabaloo I see in the US. My local supermarket had an ad for Black Friday that they handed out after I checked out. It was a strip of paper with plain black type on it declaring their plans for Black Friday. So basically our version of Black Friday is apparently, "Hey, um ... we're doing this thing on Friday. You should come. You know, maybe if you don't have any other plans or anything -- but if not, it's cool, no big."

Mind you, our Thanksgiving was like a month and a half ago.
 
2012-11-20 11:32:48 AM  

gingerjet: the_rhino: Its disgusting that stores start their sales on thanksgiving.

Who the fark cares? Christmas is an invention of marketers. Don't get all false outraged when they learn new ways to continue to milk consumers over something they invented.

/not buying a damn thing this Christmas


You talk to Jacob Marley lately? How's he doing?
 
2012-11-20 11:36:42 AM  
It's Economics 101: Supply and Demand. Blame the idiots that line for blocks, and sometimes literally kill each other, to be the first ones in the store.

Personally I'll wait for next years pre-Black Friday sales that will start on Wednesday.
 
2012-11-20 11:38:40 AM  

Dinjiin: Black Friday would be fun if stores didn't play the limited stock, no rain check game. Even if I get in line two hours before the store opens, most of the better deals are gone by the time I get inside.

Fry's Electronics is one of the worst offenders. They'll have super deal on a TV listed on the front page of their Black Friday flier, but then only have 10 or 20 in stock. It is just a scam to build excitement and get you into the store. They figure that even if the product you want isn't in stock, you'll still pick something up so that you don't consider your time wasted.

And fark the retailers for store opening creep. Double fark the ones that have gone into Thursday night. Triple fark the customers who enable them to do so.


It's all about being ahead of everyone else. First it was Black Friday, now we have pre-Black Friday. How long before we have Orange Thursday or Red Wednesday? Or all the stores opening the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and staying open around the clock until Sunday night? 

Yes - fark them.
 
2012-11-20 11:40:16 AM  

CaptSS: Dinjiin: Black Friday would be fun if stores didn't play the limited stock, no rain check game. Even if I get in line two hours before the store opens, most of the better deals are gone by the time I get inside.

Fry's Electronics is one of the worst offenders. They'll have super deal on a TV listed on the front page of their Black Friday flier, but then only have 10 or 20 in stock. It is just a scam to build excitement and get you into the store. They figure that even if the product you want isn't in stock, you'll still pick something up so that you don't consider your time wasted.

And fark the retailers for store opening creep. Double fark the ones that have gone into Thursday night. Triple fark the customers who enable them to do so.

It's all about being ahead of everyone else. First it was Black Friday, now we have pre-Black Friday. How long before we have Orange Thursday or Red Wednesday? Or all the stores opening the Wednesday before Thanksgiving and staying open around the clock until Sunday night? 

Yes - fark them.


Let's just turn Cyber Monday into "Cyber" Monday.

// no one calls it that anymore
// bringing it back
// and forget the internet - do it live
// heh - "do it"
 
2012-11-20 11:43:06 AM  

baronvonzipper: We live a few miles from a huge factory store mall on I-5, which starts it's "Midnight Madness" on Thursday night. People will actually park on the side of the interstate and jump the fence to get to the stores.

This time of year it's fun to watch Chinese tourists snatching up cheap Chinese imports from the stores.


One of my coworkers was telling us a story about the time they went to the outlet mall at Jeffersonville when they did their midnight opening. She said she and her family sat on their car (71 was gridlocked because of idiots parking their cars on the road) and just watched the troopers come in with the tow trucks and start towing cars while people are trying to avoid getting hit crossing the northbound lanes. Said it was more entertaining than the shopping.
 
2012-11-20 11:45:11 AM  
We've been aware of this crap since the 50's.
 
2012-11-20 11:51:07 AM  
If your competitors are open, you have to be open. Only blue laws can fix that. RI, MA, and ME keep shops closed on Thanksgiving. Although, in RI at least, Walmart opens at 1 AM on Black Friday.

It boils down to consumers' greed v. empathy for workers. Obvious what's going to win. "Consumer is king" means we all live under a despot.
 
2012-11-20 12:10:38 PM  
I'll probably hit up Target or Best Buy Thursday evening. Thanksgiving is pretty much done by then anyway.
 
2012-11-20 12:13:24 PM  
What is the big deal? People want to shop, and I'm sure you can at least get some staff that want to work (eg. people that hate their families, foreigners that don't celebrate, people that had enough of Uncle Jim-Bob's drunken dinner ramblings, etc.).

/Wondering how long it will take until the grocery/big box stores start staying open on Christmas (and being a non-Christian, I would work if I had a retail job...)
 
2012-11-20 12:22:27 PM  
My Thanksgiving is going to be cut short/split up this year because both mom and SIL work retail and have to be to work by 7pm, and my little bro works in the food industry and has to work until 4 that day. I also work in the food industry, but luckily my bosses treat their workers like human beings and have opted to close all their locations that day.

Other than a few things that still need to be ordered from Amazon, I took care of my xmas shopping yesterday. Yes, yes, the retailers got me by putting out xmas stuff while it was still Halloween, but it's worth it to not have to stop foot outside my home for anything but groceries between now and then.
 
2012-11-20 12:23:53 PM  

MBZ321: What is the big deal? People want to shop, and I'm sure you can at least get some staff that want to work (eg. people that hate their families, foreigners that don't celebrate, people that had enough of Uncle Jim-Bob's drunken dinner ramblings, etc.).

/Wondering how long it will take until the grocery/big box stores start staying open on Christmas (and being a non-Christian, I would work if I had a retail job...)


This. Half the staff at my local Wal-Mart barely speaks English, let alone has a reason to celebrate Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-20 12:24:07 PM  

HMS_Blinkin: the_rhino: Its disgusting that stores start their sales on thanksgiving.

Indeed. No one (shoppers I mean) should show up for this crap. Make sure retailers understand that this is not a money-making proposition.


The funny part is that retailers actually LOSE money with these shenanigans. Might as well let the worker bees have a damn day off at that point!
 
2012-11-20 12:26:55 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: The funny part is that retailers actually LOSE money with these shenanigans. Might as well let the worker bees have a damn day off at that point!


If they did, they'd advocate for blue laws themselves. Close everything down at 3PM Thursday and require them to be closed until 6AM Friday.
 
2012-11-20 12:27:58 PM  

Dinjiin: Triple fark the customers who enable them to do so.


A thousand times from the highest mountain peak.
 
2012-11-20 12:29:20 PM  

The My Little Pony Killer: My Thanksgiving is going to be cut short/split up this year because both mom and SIL work retail and have to be to work by 7pm, and my little bro works in the food industry and has to work until 4 that day. I also work in the food industry, but luckily my bosses treat their workers like human beings and can afford to take the hit and have opted to close all their locations that day.

Other than a few things that still need to be ordered from Amazon, I took care of my xmas shopping yesterday. Yes, yes, the retailers got me by putting out xmas stuff while it was still Halloween, but it's worth it to not have to stop foot outside my home for anything but groceries between now and then.


FTFY
 
2012-11-20 12:30:38 PM  

Dinjiin: The My Little Pony Killer: The funny part is that retailers actually LOSE money with these shenanigans. Might as well let the worker bees have a damn day off at that point!

If they did, they'd advocate for blue laws themselves. Close everything down at 3PM Thursday and require them to be closed until 6AM Friday.


Not if they think they could somehow make a few extra bucks this year, just gotta open up a little bit earlier...
 
2012-11-20 12:36:38 PM  

Carn: Black Friday sucks. Cyber Monday however, is something I fully support.


A/S/L?
 
2012-11-20 12:41:05 PM  
The only reason to go to a store on Thanksgiving is to buy booze. And then again, for more booze.
 
2012-11-20 12:48:09 PM  
There's a flaw with getting older. You also begin to fully understand why the Hippies of the 60's used to rant about not trusting anyone over 30.

Things you used to accept or just shrug off suddenly disclose their hidden meanings and you realize just how seriously you've been misled, misguided, lied to and brainwashed by the media as Big Business warps everything that is good and nice in their never ending quest to take every cent you have.

From made up holidays to the bastardization of traditional ones, Big Business slams you with hours of advertisements to make you buy those over priced, sports idol sponsored shoes, chow down on what is basically shiat in a can and love it and swill gallons of tap water from bottles at 200% profit.

When was the last time you watched normal TV without a car commercial at every break? Can you walk into a restaurant and not find Coke or Pepsi products there? (I recall when counter guys made you a soda from scratch right there in front of you, using syrups you can't find today.)

The first time I saw a hand held video game, I was impressed by the absolute stupidity of the people rushing to buy them. The boxes held wonderful colored adventure scenes, with cartoon figures in various, exquisite detail -- but when you opened the thing, out popped a plastic rectangle with buttons.

It had a screen the size of two postage stamps, often with a colored background already painted on the thing and these strange, ASCII black and white 'shapes' jumped around on command, to tinny, odd noises.

They bore no resemblance to the good looking humanoid figures splashed all over the box -- and people bought them by the ton.

You begin to understand the herding instinct. The saying 'a fool and his money are soon parted' takes on a whole new meaning. You start wondering about the intelligence of the general public.

Then you recall many elder folks claiming that in wars past, we sent our best and brightest into battle to get killed off, leaving the morons and defectives at home to breed. After all, the military had standards, even for those to be used as cannon fodder. You start agreeing with them.

People stomp each other yearly in an effort to greedily grab up some discounted items during a one day sale -- never considering that the stores could lower those prices easily for more than that brief time.

Having worked retail, I used to watch cheap goods come into the store, get dramatically marked up above the normal price for a week (to bait the public) then go on sale for the original normal cost and people pile into the place for the savings.

The company just reeled them in like fish from an over stocked fishing hole.

Hard economic times allowed companies to abuse their minimum wage workers again, making darn sure each knew that if they didn't do the job, there were 50 unemployed folks in line who would. So, take the abuse, work off the clock, forget about benefits and don't even think about overtime or loose your job. Just be glad you're on the books as a 39 hour a week employee.

You'd better be prepared to work on your holidays also or come in 6 hours early to help set up for the Big Sale.

Yeah. When you get older, you suddenly start to realize that all of this commercial kindness is a front designed to fool you into eviscerating your wallet -- and, the scary thing is, no one seems to get it or even care.
 
2012-11-20 12:48:38 PM  

Walker: Bendal: The local news reported that there were shoppers already camping out in front of local stores that were going to open on Thanksgiving evening.

This was reported yesterday; yes, we've got idiot shoppers who are camping out in front of a Wal-Mart or Target or some other store for 3 days just so they can get in the door first.

On Saturday I saw people camped out at the local Best Buy....and one had a tent.


These assholes?  Someone please go shoot paint balls at them.
 
2012-11-20 12:53:22 PM  
Black friday?? Isn't MLK day enough for them?
 
2012-11-20 12:53:28 PM  

Rik01: When was the last time you watched normal TV without a car commercial at every break?


There are these things called DVRs, you should check them out.
 
2012-11-20 01:10:02 PM  

Rik01: There's a flaw with getting older. You also begin to fully understand why the Hippies of the 60's used to rant about not trusting anyone over 30.


My grandfather died in 2009, aged 89. He never once displayed any of the bitterness in your comment. As a matter of fact, waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay back in 2002ish (might even have been before I graduated HS, in 1998-9ish), my little brother and I were playing some PSOne baseball game (Frank Thomas' Big Hurt Challenge?) when my grandfather remarked how real the images were.

Which sparked a conversation about computer graphics, the uncanny valley, the march of technology and baseball. My grandfather was an Army Air Corps mechanic (almost flew on the Enola Gay*), a math teacher and insurance salesman - and very computer savvy, especially for an 89-year-old - and looked for the wonder in things.

* and would have on that fateful mission, if the pilot didn't hate his guts. He was initially assigned to the flight crew that ended up in the EG.
 
2012-11-20 01:25:44 PM  
davidmixner.typepad.com

Tell me again how Walmart workers have it rough having to work on Thanksgiving?
 
2012-11-20 01:34:30 PM  

Rik01: Yeah. When you get older, you suddenly start to realize that all of this commercial kindness is a front designed to fool you into eviscerating your wallet -- and, the scary thing is, no one seems to get it or even care.


lh5.googleusercontent.com

oh_please: Rik01: When was the last time you watched normal TV without a car commercial at every break?
There are these things called DVRs, you should check them out.


Oh sure. Let's buy MORE shiat so that we can escape the world that we created--the world where the only solution is to buy more shiat.
 
2012-11-20 02:27:39 PM  

Dinjiin: DrewCurtisJr: Well then there would be no black friday.

I'm okay with that.



Why? The main problem is requiring workers to work on Thanksgiving.
 
2012-11-20 04:06:45 PM  

STRYPERSWINE: Tell me again how Walmart workers have it rough having to work on Thanksgiving?


So you're suggesting that we use infantry deployed in a combat zone as the baseline for workplace safety and satisfaction? That's setting the bar kinda low.


DrewCurtisJr: Why?


I think Black Friday brings out the absolute worst in people.

For starters, the whole day is a gimmick. Retailers throw a very limited supply of heavily discounted loss leaders to build hype and to get people into the store. Everything else is about the same price as any other holiday sale. But it isn't uncommon for those loss leaders to be sold out within 30 minutes of opening. Merchants know that many people will buy something, anything because they're so hyped up and just so they can say their trip wasn't a waste of time.

So everyone is amped up to get those deals. People are stressed. You see people cutting, stampeding and arguing over product. When items sell out, people get frustrated, irritable and angry. They start to take it out on people around them - other shoppers, other drivers, friends, family, co-workers. The whole damned country gets pissy for a month.

As others have noted, stores keep moving the starting time back because they want to be the first to open. So store workers are either having to get up at ungodly hours or are cutting their holiday short. A lot of people are like, "meh, fark 'em, they knew what they signed up for". Should we be so indifferent to this downward spiral? "Screw you, I got mine." So when nobody cares anymore, why should you be surprised when nobody cares about you?

All this so we can buy some cheap Chinese plastic crap that will be broken or obsolete in 6 months. I dunno. Maybe we need to take BF and ratchet it back a couple of notches.
 
2012-11-20 04:08:46 PM  

CygnusDarius: AverageAmericanGuy: Black Friday is sometimes a lot of fun. You just gotta know how.

Link

I prefer Mondays.


I don't like Mondays.
 
2012-11-20 06:31:10 PM  
tl; dr

biatch
 
2012-11-20 06:43:04 PM  

serial arseonist: Carn: Black Friday sucks. Cyber Monday however, is something I fully support.

A/S/L?


haha ok the other kind
 
2012-11-20 08:02:54 PM  
Before I read this thread, I wasn't going shopping at 8pm on Thursday.
I am now.

/heaven forbid someone works on thanksgiving.
//perhaps some will find it comforting to have a reason to get AWAY from their liberal family. :)
 
2012-11-20 08:07:14 PM  
I have never in my life been to a black Friday sale, and so help me god, I never will...
 
2012-11-21 12:40:48 AM  
Many people pay $80/month to watch tv. Some others don't buy in, but enough do. So there it is - it sticks and becomes the new normal & people line up for it.

This was bound to happen sooner or later. It's apparently normal for enough consumers to warrant creeping the time, then date, forward. I'm hopeful those who have to work it will get time-&-a-half & those who claim to love America will buy US-made products. But marketing > optimism 9/10.

Happy Blacksgiving, America! Delivered!
 
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