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(Talking Points Memo)   "GOP Governors stonewall Obamacare" because the last time someone named Stonewall went against the Federal Government, he turned out just dandy   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com ) divider line
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2012-11-20 10:07:04 AM  
So they WANT single-payer?
 
2012-11-20 11:05:40 AM  
The gop governors rioted for gay rights in obamacare?
 
2012-11-20 11:17:45 AM  
"This is a federally-mandated exchange with rules dictated by Washington," Perry wrote in a letter to the Obama administration last Thursday.

Gee. Sounds much like what the GOP is proposing for Social Security privatization.
 
2012-11-20 11:40:22 AM  
Keep on the road to nullification guys. That'll end well.
 
2012-11-20 11:41:08 AM  
I hope they don't get shot by their own men
 
2012-11-20 11:42:48 AM  
The potato-american governors don't get it. by "opt-ing out" of the exchanges, they are asking the Fed to do it for them.

This isn't 'get obamacare for your state or not' it's 'state run insurance exchanges or federal run ones' There is no grand gesture to be made here.
 
2012-11-20 11:43:38 AM  
So Republicans want federal government to have as little control over states as possible, yet refuse to make exchanges themselves, instead handing control to the federal government. Gee that makes sense.
 
2012-11-20 11:44:24 AM  
Throwing a tantrum about keeping your citizens alive.. that doesn't look good.
 
2012-11-20 11:45:33 AM  
They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.
 
2012-11-20 11:45:41 AM  
In an earlier thread on this same subject, someone pointed out that Federally set up exchanges means no tax is collected from those states to help fund the ACA. So, does that mean the fees/taxes will go up for the rest of the states that do implement their own exchanges, or partner with the Federal government to set them up (as NC is doing)?
 
2012-11-20 11:46:04 AM  
What I don't get is that if they can prove they have a system that provides the same minimum standards of care as Obamacare they can get a waiver to go forward with that system instead. I believe Vermont is setting up a single payer style system. Why can't they come up with a plan that provides the same baseline of care using the free market instead of "socialism"?
 
2012-11-20 11:46:05 AM  
www.occidentaldissent.com
 
2012-11-20 11:47:15 AM  
So now they've placed their final, irrevocable bet that Obamacare will really, truly, actually fail. Because even if it doesn't, to go back and join in after this would require them to admit that they were wrong, and they won't do that.

The states sitting out are just going to have to vote in another governor if they want in. Probably Democratic.
 
2012-11-20 11:47:17 AM  
So ... doesn't this mean that the federal government is moving closer to a single-payer system? KEEP STONEWALLING, GUYS.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:15 AM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: I hope they don't get shot by their own men


Ha! Came here for this.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:31 AM  

Communist_Manifesto: What I don't get is that if they can prove they have a system that provides the same minimum standards of care as Obamacare they can get a waiver to go forward with that system instead. I believe Vermont is setting up a single payer style system. Why can't they come up with a plan that provides the same baseline of care using the free market instead of "socialism"?


You clearly aren't acquainted with the concept of grandstanding.

I'll have to do some research and check which of these governors is also up for re-election.
 
2012-11-20 11:50:22 AM  
Healthcare Ranks

Louisiana - 49 - Red
Wisconsin - 13 - Blue
Texas - 44 - Red
Oklahoma - 48 - Red
New Jersey - 11 - Blue

http://www.americashealthrankings.org/rankings

Keep that healthcare shiatty guys.
 
2012-11-20 11:50:54 AM  
I want them to keep up this fight. I want them to throw tantrums, and beat the ground with their impotent fists.

For every story about Jindal trying to make them look reasonable, I want ten stories about how their fighting against affordable heathcare for the average American.

It's a winning strategy, shiatheads, keep it up.

/I kernt efford me no Papa John's no mehr, Libtards!
 
2012-11-20 11:51:12 AM  
Stonewall Riots 2: Back to the Closet
 
2012-11-20 11:51:21 AM  
Actually subby, Jackson was doing just fine - right up until the point where he got shot by some of his own men.

But I suppose a friendly fire incident could apply to purity of party bent republicans as well.
 
2012-11-20 11:51:41 AM  

Gosling: So now they've placed their final, irrevocable bet that Obamacare will really, truly, actually fail. Because even if it doesn't, to go back and join in after this would require them to admit that they were wrong, and they won't do that.

The states sitting out are just going to have to vote in another governor if they want in. Probably Democratic.


Fairly safe bet, for certain values of 'fail'.

Even so, I expect the vast majority of these stated to knuckle under long before it goes away.
 
2012-11-20 11:51:56 AM  

sprawl15: They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.


Why oh why after 20+ years that Encyclopedia Brown story is burned into my consciousness.
 
2012-11-20 11:53:30 AM  
How possible is it that citizens start asking their state governments to help them out - set up a state exchange, go Federal; do SOMETHING?

How probable is it that the Feds end up forcing these states to do something (it doesn't look like the Feds have to do anything, though - they'll set up exchanges for those states)? What if the states actively oppose citizens getting enrolled - can the Feds file suit (or can the citizens file suit en masse)? What of that one state (OK?)'s move to criminalize any attempts to implement it - will SCOTUS' words have any effect, or are we going to replay 1960, with a Guardsman watching as a woman in a wheelchair rolls past some bluehair screaming in her face about socialism?

// funny postscript to that famous picture - the screaming women realized how big a douchette she was being, and became fairly liberal as she got older
 
2012-11-20 11:54:54 AM  

sprawl15: They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.


Thanks, Encyclopedia Brown.
 
2012-11-20 11:56:03 AM  

Petey4335: sprawl15: They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.

Why oh why after 20+ years that Encyclopedia Brown story is burned into my consciousness.


Haha, oh thank god I'm not the only one.
 
2012-11-20 11:56:54 AM  
Can we get some good Skinnyhead/Potato pics up in here? I need to archive the links for future potato-derp.

Thanks!
 
2012-11-20 11:57:01 AM  
well, subby, to be fair, Stonewall Jackson did just fine stomping Union Army ass all up and down virginia, he was shot by his own men.

which, i dunno, i think is sort of metaphoric for the current republican party too.
 
2012-11-20 11:57:20 AM  
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Is this Obamacare, Larry?
 
2012-11-20 11:59:24 AM  

Mantour: [www.occidentaldissent.com image 500x333]


They have slushies. It can't be ALL bad....
 
2012-11-20 11:59:57 AM  
I'm sure the Feds are simply heartbroken that they'll be in total control of the exchanges in those states.
 
2012-11-20 12:00:45 PM  

Pfft!: So Republicans want federal government to have as little control over states as possible, yet refuse to make exchanges themselves, instead handing control to the federal government. Gee that makes sense.


It does, because now the Governors can say that they did everything possible to fight Obamacare. If it does not work out, they can say that they had nothing at all to do with it. They can also pitch it as a "states rights" or "us vs the fed" type argument. If people are unhappy with their service, it is not the state that they are unhappy with, it is the fed. The State kicking the can down the road at the beginning will be really easy to skim over.
 
2012-11-20 12:01:51 PM  
Someone call?

farm4.static.flickr.com

// saluted his ass for a year..
 
2012-11-20 12:02:53 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: What I don't get is that if they can prove they have a system that provides the same minimum standards of care as Obamacare they can get a waiver to go forward with that system instead. I believe Vermont is setting up a single payer style system. Why can't they come up with a plan that provides the same baseline of care using the free market instead of "socialism"?


because states rights.
 
2012-11-20 12:03:01 PM  
Why would states decide to pay for the execution costs of aca? They already have strained budgets. There is no benefit to states to run these exchanges as the feds control every measure of how the state's will run them. Feds keep the power but are attempting to pass execution costs to states. It makes more sense financially to let the feds run it themselves from a state perspective.
 
2012-11-20 12:04:25 PM  

sprawl15: They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.


Thank you Leroy Brown.

/here's your 25 cents.
 
2012-11-20 12:04:27 PM  

Pfft!: So Republicans want federal government to have as little control over states as possible, yet refuse to make exchanges themselves, instead handing control to the federal government. Gee that makes sense.


The exchanges are controlled in every aspect by the feds. There is almost no leeway in how they will work. Hhs decides how they work, let them pay for implementation.
 
2012-11-20 12:04:54 PM  
www.awesomestories.com
Shot by their own side?
 
2012-11-20 12:06:58 PM  

MyRandomName: Why would states decide to pay for the execution costs of aca? They already have strained budgets. There is no benefit to states to run these exchanges as the feds control every measure of how the state's will run them. Feds keep the power but are attempting to pass execution costs to states. It makes more sense financially to let the feds run it themselves from a state perspective.


Good. Sounds like a great idea. Less chance for malfeasance or sabotage by each individual state, and a much greater likelihood of uniformity of laws and coverage across state lines.

Good that we could agree on this.
 
2012-11-20 12:10:38 PM  

Communist_Manifesto: What I don't get is that if they can prove they have a system that provides the same minimum standards of care as Obamacare they can get a waiver to go forward with that system instead. I believe Vermont is setting up a single payer style system. Why can't they come up with a plan that provides the same baseline of care using the free market instead of "socialism"?


Republican state governors authorizing implementation of locally designed systems create the risk that the system will work successfully and increase both quality of and access to healthcare in the state. Because these governors want President Obama, and everything implemented by the President, to fail, they cannot take this risk.
 
2012-11-20 12:10:41 PM  
Awesome - if the exchanges in Democratic states are more successful than the default ones set up for Republican states, then it will just be more proof that Republicans suck at running governments, and are intentionally sabotaging programs like this so that they have an excuse to gut them later.
 
2012-11-20 12:10:50 PM  

Bendal: In an earlier thread on this same subject, someone pointed out that Federally set up exchanges means no tax is collected from those states to help fund the ACA. So, does that mean the fees/taxes will go up for the rest of the states that do implement their own exchanges, or partner with the Federal government to set them up (as NC is doing)?


That's only the theory of the Cato Institute. This asserts that that interpretation is wrong.
 
2012-11-20 12:11:44 PM  

cameroncrazy1984: Petey4335: sprawl15: They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.

Why oh why after 20+ years that Encyclopedia Brown story is burned into my consciousness.

Haha, oh thank god I'm not the only one.


Me too. And yet I have to peek at my wife's drivers license to remember her birthday.
 
2012-11-20 12:12:37 PM  

spiderpaz: Awesome - if the exchanges in Democratic states are more successful than the default ones set up for Republican states, then it will just be more proof that Republicans suck at running governments, and are intentionally sabotaging programs like this so that they have an excuse to gut them later.


Republican governors will blame the substandard healthcare services in their states on the Affordable Care Act.
 
2012-11-20 12:17:13 PM  

sprawl15: They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.


They called themselves the Tigers. They should have called themselves the Mountaineers. They were never on the level.
 
2012-11-20 12:19:02 PM  
From what I understand of history, I thought Stonewall was doing fine until someone from his own side shot him.
 
2012-11-20 12:19:08 PM  

Mid_mo_mad_man: I hope they don't get shot by their own men


Came here to say that.

If you ever want a fun/scary afternoon, visit the battlefield museum in Spotsylvania, Va. You would have sworn that the South had won.
 
2012-11-20 12:25:31 PM  

Petey4335: sprawl15: They wouldn't have called it the First Battle of Bull Run in 1861, since the second battle didn't happen until 1862. And, being Southerners, they would have called it the Battle of Manassas anyway.

Why oh why after 20+ years that Encyclopedia Brown story is burned into my consciousness.


THANK YOU... I couldn't remember what kids' story that was, decades ago...
 
rmz
2012-11-20 12:25:49 PM  

Mantour: [www.occidentaldissent.com image 500x333]


$2.55/gal gas and slushes? Hell, I'll move there right now.
 
2012-11-20 12:27:54 PM  
Please proceed, GOP.
 
2012-11-20 12:49:02 PM  
Many of these Governors ran on a platform of not cooperating with the Feds regarding the ACA.

Damn them for doing what their constituency specifically elected them to do. Damn them for doing what is specifically allowed of them under the law. How UN-American.
 
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