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2012-11-20 03:09:21 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Her actions, while she's on the company dime, represent the company for better or worse.


This, really, is what it boils down to - if I managed to do something this stupid while at work, in public, while representing my company, I'd be getting a visit from a friendly HR representative, complete with empty cardboard box and security escort.

You're quite welcome to be an asshole on your own time. Don't do it on someone else's dime, unless that's why they're paying you.
 
2012-11-20 03:13:27 PM

protectyourlimbs: I did not know all this but really, because she offended people she should be fired?


Why is that even a question? Because of her actions, the non-profit organization at which she works is now forever (as far as the Internet goes) linked to "that bird-flipping moron at Arlington." Every time someone searches for Living Independently Forever, Inc., her stupid stunt is going to come up.

It's probably a moot point. The two of them have been placed on unpaid leave, and I think the non-profit is hoping it'll blow over. If & when it doesn't, I'm betting at least one of them (the moron featured in the picture) will be fired.
 
2012-11-20 03:17:36 PM

kxs401: Happy Hours: kxs401: ere's the fact that it had nothing to do with my post, which you were ostensibly replying to.

lolwut?

You said something about military worship. I said there are certain places for respect and I believed Arlington is one of those places..

Then you brought up drunk driving - which has nothing to do with anything in this thread and then you continued on with personal attacks (calling me a "stupid asshole" among other things).

So which of us is bringing up shiat that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread?

The reactions to the picture were another example of the out-of-control military worship in this country, just like your moronic response was another example of how f*cking clueless you are.


Why are you so mean? This is a Internet discussion.
 
2012-11-20 03:22:36 PM
Of course she should be fired. Why would any boss keep an employee who questions authority?
 
2012-11-20 03:29:21 PM

FormlessOne: It's probably a moot point. The two of them have been placed on unpaid leave, and I think the non-profit is hoping it'll blow over. If & when it doesn't, I'm betting at least one of them (the moron featured in the picture) will be fired.


People that think people should be fired for posting a mock photo of themselves pretending to scream in front of a "be quite" sign should be fired.
 
2012-11-20 03:32:31 PM

FormlessOne: protectyourlimbs: I did not know all this but really, because she offended people she should be fired?

Why is that even a question? Because of her actions, the non-profit organization at which she works is now forever (as far as the Internet goes) linked to "that bird-flipping moron at Arlington." Every time someone searches for Living Independently Forever, Inc., her stupid stunt is going to come up.

It's probably a moot point. The two of them have been placed on unpaid leave, and I think the non-profit is hoping it'll blow over. If & when it doesn't, I'm betting at least one of them (the moron featured in the picture) will be fired.


two stupidities do not equal intelligence....
 
2012-11-20 04:03:15 PM

ToxicMunkee: Fark mentioned on Gawker: http://gawker.com/5962189/should-this-woman-have-her-life-ruined-becau se-she-posted-a-stupid-photo-on-her-own-facebook-page


Oh goddammit.
 
2012-11-20 04:10:32 PM

feckingmorons: Why are you so mean? This is a Internet discussion.


I'll cop to being way b*tchier than I should have, but I do stand by my point. What she did was disrespectful and not nearly as funny or edgy as she thought it was, but the level of outrage because she happened to do it in Arlington is emblematic of a larger problem in America today. When every person at all associated with the military is an OMGHERO! it cheapens actual heroic actions.

For the record, my dad retired when I was 16 after 20 years as a Naval officer. During my life as a public school student, we moved every year or two and I attended 12 different public school. I have a healthy level of respect for the military.
 
2012-11-20 04:42:28 PM

FormlessOne: ExperianScaresCthulhu: Her actions, while she's on the company dime, represent the company for better or worse.

This, really, is what it boils down to - if I managed to do something this stupid while at work, in public, while representing my company, I'd be getting a visit from a friendly HR representative, complete with empty cardboard box and security escort.

You're quite welcome to be an asshole on your own time. Don't do it on someone else's dime, unless that's why they're paying you.


Woah.... I can get paid to be an asshole??? Where do I apply?
 
2012-11-20 05:46:28 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: she's a retard who's never had to work or suffer or toil for anything in her life.
she's the perfect argument for mandatory enlistment for citizenship. yeah: Women Included.


You'd make a good counter-example.
 
2012-11-20 05:49:21 PM
I'm a clergyman, and I'm not offended by the YMCA picture. They are not standing in the Sistine chapel doing it.

I'm a veteran, and I'm deeply offended by what Ms. Stone did. Actions have consequences, and symbols and gestures have meaning - even if the actor is too ignorant or immature to recognize them. No matter how she feels about our foreign policy or the military, it is the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform that made it possible for her to lead the kind of privileged, entitled life that turned her into a spoiled, arrogant, self-professed "douchebag." Ms. Stone's behavior shows that she is a callow, ill-bred, selfish child without any of the character or integrity of the servicemembers whom she so thoughtlessly insulted. She represents the very worst of her generation. The Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines represent the very best.
 
2012-11-20 05:52:50 PM

cjoshuav: I'm a clergyman, and I'm not offended by the YMCA picture. They are not standing in the Sistine chapel doing it.

I'm a veteran, and I'm deeply offended by what Ms. Stone did. Actions have consequences, and symbols and gestures have meaning - even if the actor is too ignorant or immature to recognize them. No matter how she feels about our foreign policy or the military, it is the sacrifices of our men and women in uniform that made it possible for her to lead the kind of privileged, entitled life that turned her into a spoiled, arrogant, self-professed "douchebag." Ms. Stone's behavior shows that she is a callow, ill-bred, selfish child without any of the character or integrity of the servicemembers whom she so thoughtlessly insulted. She represents the very worst of her generation. The Soldiers, Sailors, Airmen, and Marines represent the very best.


I'm sure you'll get it like a big boy.
/This veteran's pride was not at all hurt by her having fun.
 
2012-11-20 06:33:07 PM
Ablejack, you are suppose to be offended if everyone else is offended.

All her picture got from this veteran was an eye roll. It merits nothing else.
 
2012-11-20 08:43:46 PM
No picture of this biatch yet? I don't mean the picture from TFA, I mean a picture where I can see if she's hot or not.
 
2012-11-20 09:19:43 PM

MisterRonbo: IlGreven: Slaxl: It is a profound lack of respect but why get worked up over it? If I was there I would have quietly told her not to be a dick, and I'm not even American, but you'll be hard pressed to get me as annoyed as some people are over a picture on the internet.

She's going to lose her job over this. That's what's wrong with America in a nutshell right there.

Yes, I always like to keep on the payroll people who have demonstrated poor judgment and brought a farkton of negative publicity down on themselves and the firm.


...where in that picture did she say "...and my firm says fark you, too!"

If you, as a businessman, fired everyone who did something stupid on film, you'd have no employees left.
 
2012-11-20 09:23:19 PM

The Dreaded Rear Admiral: My two cents: LIFE should have said they deplore the incident but also respect their employee's constitutional right to free expression. As said behavior did not happen on company time or associated with the company, they should actually stand up for the principles those soldiers fought and died for and let her be.


Ha! No. She should be fired, made to pay back every cent she ever earned, and never be able to get a job with more responsibility than bag girl ever again.

/The Vengeance Vultures have spoken.
//Nyeah!
 
2012-11-20 10:14:12 PM

kxs401: feckingmorons: Why are you so mean? This is a Internet discussion.

I'll cop to being way b*tchier than I should have, but I do stand by my point. What she did was disrespectful and not nearly as funny or edgy as she thought it was, but the level of outrage because she happened to do it in Arlington is emblematic of a larger problem in America today. When every person at all associated with the military is an OMGHERO! it cheapens actual heroic actions.

For the record, my dad retired when I was 16 after 20 years as a Naval officer. During my life as a public school student, we moved every year or two and I attended 12 different public school. I have a healthy level of respect for the military.


Sometimes familiarity breeds realism. :-)
 
2012-11-21 01:07:48 AM
Who the fark cares? She was making a joke, not legitimately disrespecting anything. It was a dumb joke in poor taste but where would Fark, or hell, the internet, be without dumb jokes in poor taste? Stop with the god damn self-righteous preening.
 
2012-11-21 02:11:48 AM

NobleHam: Who the fark cares? She was making a joke, not legitimately disrespecting anything. It was a dumb joke in poor taste but where would Fark, or hell, the internet, be without dumb jokes in poor taste? Stop with the god damn self-righteous preening.


Wow. Just wow. You are retarded and pretty much an example of the generation of no personal responsibility. You probably think arson is an artistic statement and would go 'whoa, I was making a statement, not trying to murder someone, I can't help it 12 people died in that fire!' Actually what I said was insulting to retards, because a retard understands disrespect.

Do all the stupid shiat you want, when we vote you out of humanity for it, don't be surprised. Actions have consequences as this woman no doubt is going to find out for a very, very, very long time.
 
2012-11-21 02:36:10 AM
I wonder how many of her defenders would be willing to financially care for her until she's employable again?
 
2012-11-21 05:51:57 AM

Terrible Old Man:
Wow. Just wow. You are retarded and pretty much an example of the generation of no personal responsibility. You probably think arson is an artistic statement and would go 'whoa, I was making a statement, not trying to murder someone, I can't help it 12 people died in that fire!' Actually what I said was insulting to retards, because a retard understands disrespect.
Do all the stupid shiat you want, when we vote you out of humanity for it, don't be surprised. Actions have consequences as this woman no doubt is going to find out for a very, very, very long time.


Did you make up your own login or was that assigned to you?
 
2012-11-21 06:29:31 AM
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(brad boeddecker's photo)

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(chris pollitzer's photo)

/from this page 

//serious question: what's the difference between the military who shrug and the military who want her gone?
 
2012-11-21 06:43:34 AM
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(nick ingalsbe's photo) caption: 3 recon marines died in this HMMWV for that biatches freedom of speech.

They'll get over it, yes?

/and now I'm remembering Romney being blunt about sending folks to Syria and conflating supporting military defense spending with supporting the actual troops
//war is retarded, but it's not the worker bees' fault
///respect the worker bees. save those kind of stunts for elsewhere.
/and definitely don't do it on the company dime
 
2012-11-21 07:43:02 AM

Marshal805: I wonder how many of her defenders would be willing to financially care for her until she's employable again?


Hey, if some job creator chooses to laugh in her face and wipe his ass with her application, he's just expressing himself. It's ironic humor. He's exercising at will employment freedoms. That's something this self professed douchebag would certainly applaud and find great amusement in.
 
2012-11-21 08:18:24 AM

impaler: mod3072: It's not "military worship" to show a little goddamn respect once in a while. Don't respect the military? That's fine. At least have a little consideration for the grieving widow/orphaned child who is there to visit the last resting place of someone they love. That doesn't require worship of any sort, just a little common human decency.

My version of the photo must be cropped. Can I see the full photo that has the widow and orphaned children in it?


Any time Arlington National Cemetery is open there is a child without their mother or father, a husband without a wife, a mother without a child within shouting distance; with the exception of tours, that is why people go there.

The problem most people are having is not with her taking a picture; it is what she appears to be doing. She appears to be screaming at the top of her lungs and waiving around a rude gesture. I would say that she is no better than Fred Phelps, but at least he and his ilk keep their bullshiat outside the cemetery. We, as a society, over the course of thousands of years, have decided that cemeteries are places for quiet grief and introspection. The ability of a person to visit their dead and grieve or cope without disturbance is something that our society holds sacrosanct.

What is truly offensive about the whole thing is that she has the nerve to claim she meant no disrespect when photographic evidence clearly illustrates that she did mean disrespect. The disrespectful gesture toward the sign that requests respect is pretty damning evidence.

That said, I would defend to the death her right to say and do the dumb thing she did. She does not deserve threats against her or her possessions, nor does her employer deserve the crap they are having to deal with because of this. However, her right to say stupid shiat does not exempt her from hearing with the voices of those who find her lack of respect offensive (assuming that they do not violate her rights). 

/The Tomb of the Unknowns is on a hill overlooking nearly everything else without many trees or other breaks between. Someone shouting at the Tomb could easily be heard within the Columbarium, hundreds of yards away.
 
2012-11-21 08:31:04 AM
wizbangblog.com

Woah, hey, you know what they say about chicks that smoke....
 
2012-11-21 09:30:43 AM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: protectyourlimbs: ExperianScaresCthulhu: the_geek: People have become addicted to drama.

yeah. but then, I, for one, have never claimed to be drama-free (because I've found the folks who make that claim tend to be mired in drama the deepest)... anyway

according to Fire Lindsay Stone posts
- she works at a non-profit treating independent living residents
- it was a company trip that this was done on
- there were independent living residents along as the picture was taken
- the person who took the picture was either her co-worker or her boss

A person asked why a case/money manager (which Lindsay is/was), was doing on a trip with independent living residents in the first place. That's normal, though, right?

Who usually goes on field trips out of state with independent living residents?

A lot of persons who served in the armed forces are the ones taking up arms against the photo and contacting the non-profit, it's not Anonymous or 4Chan or some radio morning zoo crew or other jokers.

Since folks who served are insulted, what would be the appropriate response of LIFE Cape Cod, since 'it's just a joke chill out' is not going to be accepted?

America is a free country and we do not control the lives of our employees outside of our company, Unfortunately what she did is a horrible lapse in judgement and we in no way agree with this in anyway matter or form, we will do our best to help her understand the sensitivity of this issue and how her actions reflect badly on us as a whole, but to fire her would do more damage to what that tomb stands for than a picture could ever do.

The point of the Fire Lindsay Stone facebook page is that she was on company time on a company trip with clients (residents) of the non-profit she works for. She wasn't doing this while on vacation, on her own time.

She was on paid company time when she did this.
She did it while she was supposed to representing the non-profit.
She did it while independent living residents were under her indirect care (again, if she really is a money manager instead of a case worker or nurse, I don't know how that works with non-profits and independent living centers, what her duties would be while chaperoning indepedent living residents on a field trip).
Her actions, while she's on the company dime, represent the company for better or worse.

Again, that page -- whether you agree with it or not -- was not set up just because they were angry at the photo. They were also angry that it was taken when it was taken. By doing this on the non-profit's dime, Ms. Stone made this an issue for the non-profit.

This could affect funding for the non-profit. It may or may not have, if she was doing this on her own time. It's more likely to, however, if she does it while representing the non-profit.

She has not issued an apology yet.

The non-profit is scrambling and doesn't really know how to handle this, since it's gone national and veterans are pissed.

Should it?

/see also: this week in blowback - Franchise owner John Metz of Florida gets a symbolic 'Desist' order from Denny's Corporate over how his anti-Obamacare stance has directly negatively affected the company's bottom line ever since Metz' statement went viral


Pfft, like you've never taken work time to do personal business or leisure.

She stole a few minutes time from her company and made it her own.
Then she spent that stolen time being an ass.

Bfd.
 
2012-11-21 12:00:37 PM
BUT SHE'S BEING POLITICALLY INCORRECT ISN'T THAT AWESOME???!?!!?!!?
 
2012-11-21 02:56:38 PM

Rocket To Russia: BUT SHE'S BEING POLITICALLY INCORRECT ISN'T THAT AWESOME???!?!!?!!?


If it was funny it would be, instead its just stupid... but no reason for her to be fired, maybe talked to, have a blemish on her work record, but yeah, the internet vigilantes need to put their cape back in their pants on this one ...
 
2012-11-21 04:03:09 PM

protectyourlimbs: Rocket To Russia: BUT SHE'S BEING POLITICALLY INCORRECT ISN'T THAT AWESOME???!?!!?!!?

If it was funny it would be, instead its just stupid... but no reason for her to be fired, maybe talked to, have a blemish on her work record, but yeah, the internet vigilantes need to put their cape back in their pants on this one ...


Maybe we should find out where her grandmother is buried and go pee on her grave!. You know, ironically!
 
2012-11-21 08:34:58 PM
Wow, amazing how wound up people are about this. Ridiculous.
 
2012-11-22 12:26:36 AM

memebot_of_doom: Wow, amazing how wound up people are about this. Ridiculous.


Wow, amazing how farking dense her white knights are. Sad.
 
2012-11-22 12:57:07 AM

Marshal805: memebot_of_doom: Wow, amazing how wound up people are about this. Ridiculous.

Wow, amazing how farking dense her white knights are. Sad.


You're both right.
 
2012-11-22 03:37:55 AM
lh4.ggpht.com

An outrage, I say!
 
2012-11-22 07:00:33 AM
Well, she's quit. Or more to the point, she resigned and they let her.

Link
 
2012-11-22 12:12:46 PM

bunner: protectyourlimbs: Rocket To Russia: BUT SHE'S BEING POLITICALLY INCORRECT ISN'T THAT AWESOME???!?!!?!!?

If it was funny it would be, instead its just stupid... but no reason for her to be fired, maybe talked to, have a blemish on her work record, but yeah, the internet vigilantes need to put their cape back in their pants on this one ...

Maybe we should find out where her grandmother is buried and go pee on her grave!. You know, ironically!


I was peeing on people's graves before it was cool.
 
2012-11-22 11:00:30 PM
She is clearly an Obama voter, so that makes her behavior OK.
 
2012-11-23 12:22:04 AM

beta_plus: She is clearly an Obama voter, so that makes her behavior OK.


Shut up, asshat.
 
2012-11-23 07:32:13 AM
WTF? It went from 20000+ likes to little over 600 once the announcement of firing had been made? And now the Fire Lindsay Stone person has put this up:

Fire Lindsay Stone
3 hours ago
OK folks...here's the deal. I plan to take this page down some time Friday afternoon. By then everyone should have had plenty of time to discover this page and say their piece. I strongly disapprove of what Lindsay and her coworker did. She lost her job over this, and I think that was a wise move on the part of her employer. However, moving forward, as difficult as it may be, I ask that you try to find it in your hearts to forgive her. If you harbor hatred towards anyone over anything it will eat you up on the inside. Get your frustrations out if you must and then ask God to forgive her. Perhaps this experience will in the long run be a positive one for her and change her life for the better. Hopefully she will have a new-found respect for those who sacrificed their lives for our freedom.



No. You can't just call for someone to be fired and then delete everything after mission accomplished! What the fk is wrong with this world?

I hope there were shiatloads of screenshots taken of everyone who signed onto that site and made a statement.
 
2012-11-23 12:59:02 PM

bunner: protectyourlimbs: Rocket To Russia: BUT SHE'S BEING POLITICALLY INCORRECT ISN'T THAT AWESOME???!?!!?!!?

If it was funny it would be, instead its just stupid... but no reason for her to be fired, maybe talked to, have a blemish on her work record, but yeah, the internet vigilantes need to put their cape back in their pants on this one ...

Maybe we should find out where her grandmother is buried and go pee on her grave!. You know, ironically!


Yeah, because there is no law against that I'm sure..
 
2012-11-23 01:27:18 PM

protectyourlimbs: Maybe we should find out where her grandmother is buried and go pee on her grave!. You know, ironically!

Yeah, because there is no law against that I'm sure..


Sarcastic humor? Probably not.
 
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