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2012-11-20 11:52:08 AM
I think she's a tranny.
 
2012-11-20 11:53:42 AM
Is that FMS?
 
2012-11-20 11:53:50 AM
Well, she does not have to worry about losing her copies of that picture if her computer or whatever crashes.
It will be around forever now.
 
2012-11-20 11:55:38 AM
She's already planning her trip to Ground Zero.

images.wikia.com
 
2012-11-20 12:02:11 PM
When everyone is upset that you're a jerk acting like an asshole, you're not going to get very far by saying "Oh, that's just us being the asshole acting jerks that we are."
 
2012-11-20 12:07:29 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: vermicious k'nid: Pic was funny.

Pull the military stick out of y'alls' collective anuses.

Pic was retarded.

[wizbangblog.com image 471x112]

yet after writing this, she tries to BA-LEET EVER'THANG.

she's a retard who's never had to work or suffer or toil for anything in her life.
she's the perfect argument for mandatory enlistment for citizenship. yeah: Women Included.


images.wikia.com

"Wait! What did I do? Oooh, you said Baleet... "
 
2012-11-20 12:07:58 PM

IlGreven: Slaxl: It is a profound lack of respect but why get worked up over it? If I was there I would have quietly told her not to be a dick, and I'm not even American, but you'll be hard pressed to get me as annoyed as some people are over a picture on the internet.

She's going to lose her job over this. That's what's wrong with America in a nutshell right there.


Yes, I always like to keep on the payroll people who have demonstrated poor judgment and brought a farkton of negative publicity down on themselves and the firm.

Life ain't fair. A smart employer would have her out the door immediately.
 
2012-11-20 12:12:10 PM

protectyourlimbs: get over it, it was meant to be funny even if it wasnt, if you could have her arrested and beaten for doing something disrespectful you would have dont more damage to that tomb than she could ever have...

[friedsnickers.files.wordpress.com image 425x283]


funniest picture i have seen in a while.
 
2012-11-20 12:15:56 PM

Ant: Nofun: Defiling the tomb of unknown soldier is not the same thing as sticking it to the man. It's defiling the memory of the person who gave you the right to stick it to the man.

I didn't see where the article said anything about vandalism. All I see is a picture of her with her mouth open and her middle finger extended. She could be yawning and pointing at something for all we know.


Figures that you would defend her.
Pathetic.
 
2012-11-20 12:20:24 PM

ds615: Her ability to do that, and talk about it, is exactly what all those guys died for.
So it's a really powerful confirmation that they gave their lives for something.

Silencing her, or telling her she shouldn't have done that, is the same thing as telling all those soldiers that they died for nothing. That their lives were a waste.

I don't think that would be very nice.


Yet another dumbass who doesn't understand what free speech actually means. No one is using the force of the federal government to silence or imprison her. That is what the First Amendment protects against. She has every right to express herself the way she did. That same freedom gives everyone else the right to express that she is a pathetic, self-indulgent, immature coont who should STFU.
 
Ant
2012-11-20 12:31:33 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Ant: Nofun: Defiling the tomb of unknown soldier is not the same thing as sticking it to the man. It's defiling the memory of the person who gave you the right to stick it to the man.

I didn't see where the article said anything about vandalism. All I see is a picture of her with her mouth open and her middle finger extended. She could be yawning and pointing at something for all we know.

Figures that you would defend her.
Pathetic.


What is there to defend? She took a picture in front of a farking sign! She's not even facing the damn tomb!
 
2012-11-20 12:33:11 PM

Cletus C.: She's already planning her trip to Ground Zero.

[images.wikia.com image 850x577]


Oh Cletus, aren't you supposed to show a picture of a Muslim building a mosque like 6 blocks away?
 
2012-11-20 12:33:30 PM

Ant: What is there to defend? She took a picture in front of a farking sign! She's not even facing the damn tomb!


Outrage!
Outrage!
Outrage!

Why you no outrage?
 
2012-11-20 12:35:08 PM

ds615: Her ability to do that, and talk about it, is exactly what all those guys died for.
So it's a really powerful confirmation that they gave their lives for something.

Silencing her, or telling her she shouldn't have done that, is the same thing as telling all those soldiers that they died for nothing. That their lives were a waste.

I don't think that would be very nice.


What's wrong with telling this biatch she should not have done that? Oh noes! I tried to give somebody a dose of common sense.
 
2012-11-20 12:37:44 PM

The_Sponge: What's wrong with telling this biatch she should not have done that? Oh noes! I tried to give somebody a dose of common sense.


I think there's a misunderstanding about the degree of response. Saying "Don't do that" and calling for her company to fire her are different.
 
2012-11-20 12:40:22 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: To censor her is unamerican and wrong.


I do not think that word means what you think it does. Perhaps you meant censure?
 
2012-11-20 12:40:32 PM
I love that whiny quote from her in TFA.

"Just because I go out of my way to be a douchebag doesn't mean you can call me a douchebag, guys! Gosh!"

And then I imagine her stamping her stupid feet right through the floor.
 
2012-11-20 12:42:12 PM

greenboy: protectyourlimbs: get over it, it was meant to be funny even if it wasnt, if you could have her arrested and beaten for doing something disrespectful you would have dont more damage to that tomb than she could ever have...

[friedsnickers.files.wordpress.com image 425x283]

funniest picture i have seen in a while.


Love that pic, has nothing to do with any anti or pro religion statements to me, just funny...
 
2012-11-20 12:42:51 PM

kxs401: I really need to go to bed. Just because someone has a pattern of being an egregiously douchey dumbass doesn't mean I have to be nasty.


There's a spot on your iggy list waiting to be filled with him. You know it in your heart to be true.

/feels good to not be lectured by a sanctimonious drunk driver, man
 
2012-11-20 12:43:36 PM

MisterRonbo: Mid_mo_mad_man: To censor her is unamerican and wrong.

I do not think that word means what you think it does. Perhaps you meant censure?


Yes I see my mistake. Thank you for pointing it out
 
2012-11-20 12:44:30 PM

MisterRonbo: Mid_mo_mad_man: To censor her is unamerican and wrong.

I do not think that word means what you think it does. Perhaps you meant censure?


censorship, and Mid_mo_mad_man is correct, its not an opinion.
 
2012-11-20 12:46:50 PM

protectyourlimbs: Love that pic, has nothing to do with any anti or pro religion statements to me, just funny...


Wrong. Little known fact: they were defiling the corpse of Jesus and shatting on the entirety of the Christian faith. We should contact their employer.
 
2012-11-20 12:46:58 PM

Sock Ruh Tease: The beauty of free speech: you can be an asshole near the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier, but others can think you're an asshole.


Precisely. Freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences.

She can act like a douchebag all she wants, and I can call her on being a douchebag. If she doesn't like being called a douchebag, she can simply stop acting like one. TA-DAAA!
 
2012-11-20 12:48:53 PM

vermicious k'nid: "Haha, look at the sign. Take a picture of me being ironic."


Nobody gives a shiat about the backstory when the end result is her looking like an idiot.
 
2012-11-20 12:49:30 PM

tenpoundsofcheese: Ant: Nofun: Defiling the tomb of unknown soldier is not the same thing as sticking it to the man. It's defiling the memory of the person who gave you the right to stick it to the man.

I didn't see where the article said anything about vandalism. All I see is a picture of her with her mouth open and her middle finger extended. She could be yawning and pointing at something for all we know.

Figures that you would defend her.
Pathetic.


The most aniti-American piece of crap on Fark says what?
 
2012-11-20 01:05:00 PM

The Islamic Shock: themindiswatching: Another Millennial finds out that Facebook is actually public. doesn't know how to use privacy controls.

FTFY


You know that if Mark Zuckerberg could get away with it, he'd remove all privacy controls altogether.
 
2012-11-20 01:10:18 PM

kxs401: Happy Hours: kxs401: ere's the fact that it had nothing to do with my post, which you were ostensibly replying to.

lolwut?

You said something about military worship. I said there are certain places for respect and I believed Arlington is one of those places..

Then you brought up drunk driving - which has nothing to do with anything in this thread and then you continued on with personal attacks (calling me a "stupid asshole" among other things).

So which of us is bringing up shiat that has nothing to do with the subject of this thread?

The reactions to the picture were another example of the out-of-control military worship in this country, just like your moronic response was another example of how f*cking clueless you are.


There's a huge difference between military worship and respect for fallen soldiers. These people gave their lives for the country, were shot at for the country, went into warzones for the country. You can criticize our military leadership, our wars and our foreign policy and still respect the sacrifice of our soldiers, most of whom come from our most disadvantaged communities and families.

You are very much the clueless one here.
 
2012-11-20 01:10:23 PM
People have become addicted to drama.
 
2012-11-20 01:16:35 PM
Fark mentioned on Gawker: http://gawker.com/5962189/should-this-woman-have-her-life-ruined-becau se-she-posted-a-stupid-photo-on-her-own-facebook-page
 
2012-11-20 01:19:15 PM
IRL troll doin' it for the lulz comes to grim realization that Free Speech works both ways?

And then the story end up on the Fark PolTab?

Oh, Joy!
 
2012-11-20 01:19:54 PM

Duke Phillips' Singing Bears: scottydoesntknow: Eatin' Queer Fetuses for Jesus:
Seriously, you humorless assholes need to relax. She is making fun of the sign, because the sign is obviously not needed in such a place. Casting the sign in bronze seems to imply humanity will never understand the need for civility and respect near the tomb, and such an insult needs to be mocked. That's okay, I understand y'all are just sexually frustrated and any hot girl reminds you of your constant rejection, so hate away.

And you'd also think that companies that make clothes irons don't need to put the warning "Do not iron while wearing shirt" but:

[lawhaha.com image 557x658]

The simple fact is, someone at some point was loud and showing disrespect, thus requiring the sign. Did they want to have to put up such an obvious sign? No, but obviously some people are, and always will be, douchebags.

Never put salt in your eyes.

Never put salt in your eyes.

Never put salt in your eyes.


Danny I'm killing my eyes.

I'm killing my eyes, Danny.

I'm killing my Danny.

...

Kill Danny.


I love you
 
2012-11-20 01:20:32 PM

Happy Hours: kxs401: It was a stupid thing to do, but goddamn has the military worship in this country gotten out of control.

I don't think so....She didn't even have a point other than to shiat on the tomb of the Unknown Soldier.

I visited there once. There are certain places and situations where you should shut up and show some respect and that is one of them. Some poor bastard went to war and died in the service of his country. It's something that every soldier in our military might be asked to do at some point.

You can complain all you want about our foreign policy and how we've fought unjust wars but the grunt on the ground is the one who didn't make those decisions and he (or she) is there doing his (or her) best and often sacrificing their life.

Do you know anyone who has ever died? A parent? A grandparent? A friend? Maybe you should go visit their grave and then visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington. And think about something besides lolcats.

And then think about how you might feel about this girl shiatting on your grandmother's grave.


You...kind of just made the other dude's point. Admittedly, s\he wrecked it by calling you names, but his point was this: If that chick wants to be an idiot there, a healthy reaction would be if everyone shrugged and said "wow, what a moron".

But your reaction, a reaction a lot of other people had, was to link it emotionally to yourself and take the insulting of a soldier personally because (I presume from what you're saying) either you have a relative who's a soldier or highly empathize with those who do.

And if it was just one or two people, well, okay. But it's almost half the people who discuss this issue at any given time. More if you're on a right-slanted site. That's not healthy for our society, because it means we're idolizing young men who don't have the maturity to handle that. And even if all it did was give them swelled egos, historically that's exactly the conditions that lead to major war crimes, because young men are taught to hero-worship soldiers, try to become the hero, and discover how shiatty it really is.

/There's a difference between honestly saying 'we applaud you for doing a needed job' and hero-worship. America as a whole has crossed the line into hero-worship, and historically, that's never ended well.
 
2012-11-20 01:33:55 PM

impaler: protectyourlimbs: Love that pic, has nothing to do with any anti or pro religion statements to me, just funny...

Wrong. Little known fact: they were defiling the corpse of Jesus and shatting on the entirety of the Christian faith. We should contact their employer.


Oh yeah, then they should burn in hell... I just meant to me it didnt have anything to do with anything other than a funny pic... but they should lose their first born....
 
2012-11-20 01:35:49 PM
If you're going to (attempt to) be offensive and rebellious for the sake of humor, at least be creative and, y'know, funny.

I'm not terribly upset by this, but then, I wouldn't be terribly upset if someone had backhanded her a second after the photo was taken.
 
2012-11-20 01:41:59 PM

the_geek: People have become addicted to drama.


yeah. but then, I, for one, have never claimed to be drama-free (because I've found the folks who make that claim tend to be mired in drama the deepest)... anyway

according to Fire Lindsay Stone posts
- she works at a non-profit treating independent living residents
- it was a company trip that this was done on
- there were independent living residents along as the picture was taken
- the person who took the picture was either her co-worker or her boss

A person asked why a case/money manager (which Lindsay is/was), was doing on a trip with independent living residents in the first place. That's normal, though, right?

Who usually goes on field trips out of state with independent living residents?

A lot of persons who served in the armed forces are the ones taking up arms against the photo and contacting the non-profit, it's not Anonymous or 4Chan or some radio morning zoo crew or other jokers.

Since folks who served are insulted, what would be the appropriate response of LIFE Cape Cod, since 'it's just a joke chill out' is not going to be accepted?
 
2012-11-20 01:44:18 PM

Happy Hours:
I visited there once. There are certain places and situations where you should shut up and show some respect and that is one of them. Some poor bastard went to war and died in the service of his country. It's something that every soldier in our military might be asked to do at some point.

--------Now entering Zone of Reality-bending Inclusion--------

You can complain all you want about our foreign policy and how we've fought unjust wars but the grunt on the ground is the one who didn't make those decisions and he (or she) is there doing his (or her) best and often sacrificing their life.

Do you know anyone who has ever died? A parent? A grandparent? A friend? Maybe you should go visit their grave and then visit the Tomb of the Unknown Soldier in Arlington. And think about something besides lolcats.

And then think about how you might feel about this girl shiatting on your grandmother's grave.



All those women on the beaches of Normandy. Never forget their sacrifice.


And this chick is scum. You can respect the soldiers and disagree with the suits that send them to war. It's pretty much the default position, or should be.
 
2012-11-20 01:49:07 PM

vermicious k'nid: ExperianScaresCthulhu: vermicious k'nid: Pic was funny.

Pull the military stick out of y'alls' collective anuses.

Pic was retarded.

[wizbangblog.com image 471x112]

yet after writing this, she tries to BA-LEET EVER'THANG.

she's a retard who's never had to work or suffer or toil for anything in her life.
she's the perfect argument for mandatory enlistment for citizenship. yeah: Women Included.

She's probably "BA-LEETing EVER'THANG" because internet assholes like you are going to mercilessly torment her over prop comedy.


No. I believe she's deleting everything because she and her coworker (or boss) didn't get the response she thought they would get by putting that up.

My opinion is that if you're going to claim to be edgy and always sticking it to the man, nut up and stick with it. Be proud of your douchery... what tvtropes calls the 'refuge in audacity'. Others may still hate your guts, but at least you actually are being consistent and have a personal point to make.

Doing something retarded and then deleting everything but also refusing to make an apology....... that blows my mind. The only reason to delete anything is to say I'm sorry. Deleting everything but then turning around and saying the equivalent 'why can't you take a joke? why are you confronting me?' ... that's cowardly. That's not sticking it to anyone. There's no honor in that.

Nothing was learned, on Ms. Stone's end.

If she's going to stick to her guns about this, she needs to do it right and NOT delete everything. That's all.
 
2012-11-20 01:49:10 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: the_geek: People have become addicted to drama.

yeah. but then, I, for one, have never claimed to be drama-free (because I've found the folks who make that claim tend to be mired in drama the deepest)... anyway

according to Fire Lindsay Stone posts
- she works at a non-profit treating independent living residents
- it was a company trip that this was done on
- there were independent living residents along as the picture was taken
- the person who took the picture was either her co-worker or her boss

A person asked why a case/money manager (which Lindsay is/was), was doing on a trip with independent living residents in the first place. That's normal, though, right?

Who usually goes on field trips out of state with independent living residents?

A lot of persons who served in the armed forces are the ones taking up arms against the photo and contacting the non-profit, it's not Anonymous or 4Chan or some radio morning zoo crew or other jokers.

Since folks who served are insulted, what would be the appropriate response of LIFE Cape Cod, since 'it's just a joke chill out' is not going to be accepted?


America is a free country and we do not control the lives of our employees outside of our company, Unfortunately what she did is a horrible lapse in judgement and we in no way agree with this in anyway matter or form, we will do our best to help her understand the sensitivity of this issue and how her actions reflect badly on us as a whole, but to fire her would do more damage to what that tomb stands for than a picture could ever do.
 
2012-11-20 01:57:42 PM
She won because we are talking about her act. If you want her to stop posting silly pics quit giving her attention.


/I don't care about the pic
// the military is getting way to much worship lately
/// Since slashes come in threes here's an interesting fact. The land the cemetery is built on once belong to Washington and was belonging to Gen Lee when it was stolen by the DC government.
 
2012-11-20 01:58:12 PM

protectyourlimbs: ExperianScaresCthulhu: the_geek: People have become addicted to drama.

yeah. but then, I, for one, have never claimed to be drama-free (because I've found the folks who make that claim tend to be mired in drama the deepest)... anyway

according to Fire Lindsay Stone posts
- she works at a non-profit treating independent living residents
- it was a company trip that this was done on
- there were independent living residents along as the picture was taken
- the person who took the picture was either her co-worker or her boss

A person asked why a case/money manager (which Lindsay is/was), was doing on a trip with independent living residents in the first place. That's normal, though, right?

Who usually goes on field trips out of state with independent living residents?

A lot of persons who served in the armed forces are the ones taking up arms against the photo and contacting the non-profit, it's not Anonymous or 4Chan or some radio morning zoo crew or other jokers.

Since folks who served are insulted, what would be the appropriate response of LIFE Cape Cod, since 'it's just a joke chill out' is not going to be accepted?

America is a free country and we do not control the lives of our employees outside of our company, Unfortunately what she did is a horrible lapse in judgement and we in no way agree with this in anyway matter or form, we will do our best to help her understand the sensitivity of this issue and how her actions reflect badly on us as a whole, but to fire her would do more damage to what that tomb stands for than a picture could ever do.


The point of the Fire Lindsay Stone facebook page is that she was on company time on a company trip with clients (residents) of the non-profit she works for. She wasn't doing this while on vacation, on her own time.

She was on paid company time when she did this.
She did it while she was supposed to representing the non-profit.
She did it while independent living residents were under her indirect care (again, if she really is a money manager instead of a case worker or nurse, I don't know how that works with non-profits and independent living centers, what her duties would be while chaperoning indepedent living residents on a field trip).
Her actions, while she's on the company dime, represent the company for better or worse.

Again, that page -- whether you agree with it or not -- was not set up just because they were angry at the photo. They were also angry that it was taken when it was taken. By doing this on the non-profit's dime, Ms. Stone made this an issue for the non-profit.

This could affect funding for the non-profit. It may or may not have, if she was doing this on her own time. It's more likely to, however, if she does it while representing the non-profit.

She has not issued an apology yet.

The non-profit is scrambling and doesn't really know how to handle this, since it's gone national and veterans are pissed.

Should it?

/see also: this week in blowback - Franchise owner John Metz of Florida gets a symbolic 'Desist' order from Denny's Corporate over how his anti-Obamacare stance has directly negatively affected the company's bottom line ever since Metz' statement went viral
 
2012-11-20 02:01:41 PM

Mid_mo_mad_man: She won because we are talking about her act. If you want her to stop posting silly pics quit giving her attention.


/I don't care about the pic
// the military is getting way to much worship lately
/// Since slashes come in threes here's an interesting fact. The land the cemetery is built on once belong to Washington and was belonging to Gen Lee when it was stolen by the DC government.


Off topic: Washington and Lee were both slave owners on Indian land, therefore any discussion of which white man stole from which other white man is a little more moot.
 
2012-11-20 02:05:40 PM

protectyourlimbs: MisterRonbo: Mid_mo_mad_man: To censor her is unamerican and wrong.

I do not think that word means what you think it does. Perhaps you meant censure?

censorship, and Mid_mo_mad_man is correct, its not an opinion.


google query - definition:censorship

cen·sor·ship/ˈsensərˌSHip
Noun: The practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

So who is advocating the government suppress her right to post this photo?
 
2012-11-20 02:10:35 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: She has not issued an apology yet.


To the sign?

She wasn't making any comment on military service. All she did was take a picture of herself yelling in front of a sign that said "be quite."

This will shock you: she wasn't even really yelling.

Perspective people.
 
2012-11-20 02:11:14 PM

MisterRonbo: protectyourlimbs: MisterRonbo: Mid_mo_mad_man: To censor her is unamerican and wrong.

I do not think that word means what you think it does. Perhaps you meant censure?

censorship, and Mid_mo_mad_man is correct, its not an opinion.

google query - definition:censorship

cen·sor·ship/ˈsensərˌSHip
Noun: The practice of officially examining books, movies, etc., and suppressing unacceptable parts.

So who is advocating the government suppress her right to post this photo?


Link 

Dont care, just saying that you can censure her all you want, but censorship would be pretty ironic...
 
2012-11-20 02:11:40 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: Mid_mo_mad_man: She won because we are talking about her act. If you want her to stop posting silly pics quit giving her attention.


/I don't care about the pic
// the military is getting way to much worship lately
/// Since slashes come in threes here's an interesting fact. The land the cemetery is built on once belong to Washington and was belonging to Gen Lee when it was stolen by the DC government.

Off topic: Washington and Lee were both slave owners on Indian land, therefore any discussion of which white man stole from which other white man is a little more moot.


Lee freed his slaves and inherited the land from Washington thru his wife. Quit crying about the Indians. The same stuff happened every where. Move on.
 
2012-11-20 02:19:34 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu: protectyourlimbs: ExperianScaresCthulhu: the_geek: People have become addicted to drama.
...The point of the Fire Lindsay Stone facebook page is that she was on company time on a company trip with clients (residents) of the non-profit she works for. She wasn't doing this while on vacation, on her own time.

She was on paid company time when she did this.
She did it while she was supposed to representing the non-profit.
She did it while independent living residents were under her indirect care (again, if she really is a money manager instead of a case worker or nurse, I don't know how that works with non-profits and independent living centers, what her duties would be while chaperoning indepedent living residents on a field trip).
Her actions, while she's on the company dime, represent the company for better or worse.

Again, that page -- whether you agree with it or not -- was not set up just because they were angry at the photo. They were also angry that it was taken when it was taken. By doing this on the non-profit's dime, Ms. Stone made this an issue for the non-profit.

This could affect funding for the non-profit. It may or may not have, if she was doing this on her own time. It's more likely to, however, if she does it while representing the non-profit.

She has not issued an apology yet.

The non-profit is scrambling and doesn't really know how to handle this, since it's gone national and veterans are pissed.

Should it?

/see also: this week in blowback - Franchise owner John Metz of Florida gets a symbolic 'Desist' order from Denny's Corporate over how his anti-Obamacare stance has directly negatively affected the company's bottom line ever since Metz' statement went viral


I did not know all this but really, because she offended people she should be fired? I get that it was wrong, I dont even agree with her idea that this was supposed to be funny. What I am saying is that it's not as wrong as the rage to have her pay for her mistake to appease the masses when that place stands for our freedoms.

Your Obama-care point, well it's off point in the fact that no matter which side of the fence you are on it actually affects others involved directly.

This, only makes people fake rile up cause they have nothing better to do but be upset... oh the outrage...
 
2012-11-20 02:25:12 PM
She has every right to do this, and I have every right to call her a stupid c*nt for doing so. Talk about acting like a 13 year-old.

I don't think her employer should necessarily fire her though, if she wasn't on the clock and representing them at the time.
 
2012-11-20 02:40:30 PM
My two cents: LIFE should have said they deplore the incident but also respect their employee's constitutional right to free expression. As said behavior did not happen on company time or associated with the company, they should actually stand up for the principles those soldiers fought and died for and let her be.
 
2012-11-20 02:50:42 PM

ExperianScaresCthulhu:

Off topic: Washington and Lee were both slave owners on Indian land, therefore any discussion of which white man stole from which other white man is a little more moot.


Actually, the history is a tad more complicated. The United States took over territory from the British. At the time of the Declaration of Independence, it was about a decade after the French-Indian wars, in which the Native Americans allied with France to make war on the British settlers.

Frankly, at that point in time, I would have had a "fark you" attitude towards the natives as well.

The idea that the white man "stole" the land from the natives is also pretty silly. Since the natives did not have a legal concept of ownership of the land, then you cannot steal it - theft is an unlawful taking. No law, no unlawful taking.

If you're rather parse the morality, you can go back to King Philip's war (or even a generation farther back than that) to see that the natives and the British immigrants were both quite willing to be dicks to one another, so spare me the narrative that paints the settlers as the root of all evil and the natives as merely victims. It isn't remotely that black and white.
 
2012-11-20 02:51:12 PM
If they don't even know whose buried in there, how can they be offended?
 
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