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(Columbus Free Press)   "Why are we led to believe that every kid that plays quarterback at USC is miraculously going to be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?"   (sportschump.net) divider line 43
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2012-11-20 10:00:02 AM
a) no one leads you to believe that - you choose to believe it yourself.
b) they're expected to be great QBs because they tend to get the top QB recruits and they play in a pro-style offense, which should hypothetically set them up for the future
c) the first one to get into the NFL was Carson Palmer and he was pretty good before the knee shredding incident. His replacement won a Heisman and a couple of national titles (that don't count for different reasons), so it seemed like he had a shot. And even Leinart had some decent performances as a rookie under Denny Green. Then they changed offensive philosophies to Whisenhunt's, which basically asks for every weakness of Leinart to be used as much as possible. No one said John David Booty was going to be good (at least not while he was at USC). Sanchez - even his own coach told him he wasn't ready for the NFL. But suck though he might, he's got two AFCCG appearances under his belt.
d) I'm not reading your sh*tty blog.
e) If you mentioned Mitch Mustain as an example, you need to have your testicles eaten by rabid wolverines.
 
2012-11-20 12:26:19 PM
because there's no pro team in los angeles?

/fark kiffin
 
2012-11-20 12:28:31 PM
Something that bothers me about USC is the tremendous amount of recruiting talent they get but the players never really seem to get better. A lot of coaches around the country do a lot more with a lot less because they develop players. It seems like the mentality of USC is that as long as you get crazy good recruits and you're popular because of where you're located that you will magically be amazing. Give some of the good coaching staffs around the country the amount of talent USC gets and they would be a powerhouse.

/fark Kiffin
//Vols fan
 
2012-11-20 12:28:42 PM
Todd Marinovich?
 
2012-11-20 12:29:50 PM
because college football does a great job of telling us who the most atheletic guy is and then the raiders proceed to give them millions to be out of football in three years.

the system isnt perfect, but it is the one we have.

/tom brady thinks starting in college is over rated
 
2012-11-20 12:35:32 PM

A Fark Handle: because there's no pro team in los angeles?


What in the hell are you talking about? It mentions USC right in the headline
 
/kidding
//sort of
 
2012-11-20 12:46:18 PM
Poor Silas Redd. Left the 7-4 Lions for the 7-4 Trojans.
 
2012-11-20 12:52:45 PM
"Why are we led to believe that every kid that plays quarterback at USC is miraculously going to be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?"

Good question, seeing as how neither Manning nor Brady nor Rodgers went to USC.
 
2012-11-20 12:54:27 PM

degenerate-afro: Poor Silas Redd. Left the 7-4 Lions for the 7-4 Trojans.


At least he'll get to see El Paso for the holidays...
 
2012-11-20 12:56:30 PM
The last NFL QB that had a successful NFL career: current USC AD Pat Haden.
 
2012-11-20 12:59:06 PM
How soon we forget that when Rodgers was drafted , there were some doubts regarding his ability to make the pro game because of his having been coached by Jeff Tedford, who gave us NFL quarterback greats such as Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller.
 
2012-11-20 12:59:55 PM

degenerate-afro: Poor Silas Redd. Left the 7-4 Lions for the 7-4 Trojans.


At least Penn State will have been on national TV eleven out of twelve games this season. This coming summer when a player speaks with Bill O'Brien about transferring he only has to say one name. And, finally, Penn State stands a better chance of 8-4 than USC does this week - perhaps not much better but some.
 
2012-11-20 01:04:13 PM

EyeballKid: How soon we forget that when Rodgers was drafted , there were some doubts regarding his ability to make the pro game because of his having been coached by Jeff Tedford, who gave us NFL quarterback greats such as Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller.


Thank you - was going to make that exact point.
 
2012-11-20 01:07:34 PM
It used to be the same thing at University of Miami. Their first couple QBs were great, but for a dozen years after, every Hurricane QB was touted for the Heisman
 
2012-11-20 01:09:41 PM

EyeballKid: How soon we forget that when Rodgers was drafted , there were some doubts regarding his ability to make the pro game because of his having been coached by Jeff Tedford, who gave us NFL quarterback greats such as Akili Smith, Trent Dilfer, David Carr, Joey Harrington, and Kyle Boller.


Jeff Tedford produced two Super Bowl winners, but wasn't smart enough to leave for a bigger job when he had the chance and now he's getting fired.
 
2012-11-20 01:10:57 PM

farbekrieg: /tom brady thinks starting in college is over rated


And Big Ben thinks the same about playing at an AQ school (he was the starter for MAC school Miami of OH). Aaron Rodgers was a JUCO transfer (though he wound up at Cal). Terry Bradshaw was the starter at LA Tech. Roger Staubach played for Navy. Just a small sampling, but pretty much blows any theory that USC QB's are the be-all.
 
2012-11-20 01:11:27 PM
Didn't RTFA, but for awhile there it was all Pete Carrol's fault. That enthusiastic convincing SOB - who are we to doubt him? He's so damn positive it made me feel like a bad person whenever I disagreed with him...Which is why my fantasy football team still has Leinart, Cassel, and Sanchez. I haven't won a game in 4 years, but I love that guy!
 
2012-11-20 01:11:54 PM

PowerSlacker: Jeff Tedford produced two Super Bowl winners, but wasn't smart enough to leave for a bigger job when he had the chance and now he's getting fired.


Let's be fair and say he produced a Super Bowl winner and Trent Dilfer.
 
2012-11-20 01:25:07 PM

okiemule: farbekrieg: /tom brady thinks starting in college is over rated

And Big Ben thinks the same about playing at an AQ school (he was the starter for MAC school Miami of OH). Aaron Rodgers was a JUCO transfer (though he wound up at Cal). Terry Bradshaw was the starter at LA Tech. Roger Staubach played for Navy. Just a small sampling, but pretty much blows any theory that USC QB's are the be-all.


Can we say that going to an AQ school to play your football is overrated?

/watches the AQ marks line up to say "NO! THEY HAVE TO COME TO OUR SCHOOL!"
 
2012-11-20 01:25:21 PM
Palmer is a successful QB.

the rest blow.
 
2012-11-20 01:36:53 PM
Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.
 
2012-11-20 01:37:57 PM

PowerSlacker: degenerate-afro: Poor Silas Redd. Left the 7-4 Lions for the 7-4 Trojans.

At least he'll get to see El Paso for the holidays...


at least the showers aren't as creepy/haunted...
 
2012-11-20 01:39:09 PM

drunk_bouncnbaloruber: The last NFL QB that had a successful NFL career: current USC AD Pat Haden.


Yeah, it sucks that there hasn't been a successful NFL QB since the 70s.
 
2012-11-20 01:44:07 PM

Jubeebee: drunk_bouncnbaloruber: The last NFL QB that had a successful NFL career: current USC AD Pat Haden.

Yeah, it sucks that there hasn't been a successful NFL QB since the 70s.


Montana, Elway, Brady, and Best Manning are all crap.
 
2012-11-20 01:54:18 PM
Well I usually relate "USC quaterback" with "overhyped semi-functional retard that will get a big contract and play out his rookie contract on a bottom tier team and then move on to selling used cars"
 
2012-11-20 01:59:59 PM

Lunchlady: Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.


Because Ohio State will be our AP Champion this year.
 
2012-11-20 02:04:38 PM

Rwa2play: okiemule: farbekrieg: /tom brady thinks starting in college is over rated

And Big Ben thinks the same about playing at an AQ school (he was the starter for MAC school Miami of OH). Aaron Rodgers was a JUCO transfer (though he wound up at Cal). Terry Bradshaw was the starter at LA Tech. Roger Staubach played for Navy. Just a small sampling, but pretty much blows any theory that USC QB's are the be-all.

Can we say that going to an AQ school to play your football is overrated?

/watches the AQ marks line up to say "NO! THEY HAVE TO COME TO OUR SCHOOL!"


This does bring up a point about development and systems in play. USC gets guys that are at the top of their HS class for QBs. Leinart stayed an extra year, looked worse as a senior, and lost draft standing. Barkley was considered great a couple years ago, maybe No. 2 overall-caliber at the end of last year, and now, kinda eh.

It's probable that USC is focused on getting guys that have already hit their peak, which, usually, would be a good thing for USC (though it looks bad when no one does anything in the NFL). The guys that have become beasts in the NFL hadn't developed when it was their time to get recruited by bigger schools, so no one looked at them, they went to juco or were a backup or went to a MAC school, eventually grew into their bodies, and became guys who likely would've gone to USC if they'd looked like that in HS.
 
2012-11-20 02:05:22 PM

poughdrew: Lunchlady: Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.

Because Ohio State will be our AP Champion this year.


.....which doesn't answer my question at all....
 
2012-11-20 02:19:04 PM
Geno Smith gonna get hurt at KC.


that dude throws missles!
 
2012-11-20 02:23:34 PM

poughdrew: Lunchlady: Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.

Because Ohio State will be our AP Champion this year.


going to the gator bowl last year was such a brilliant decision by the buckeyes.

/keeps them from getting embarrassed in the national title game this year...
 
2012-11-20 02:36:16 PM
"Why are we led to believe that every (white) kid that plays quarterback at USC (or Notre Dame) is miraculously going to be the next Peyton Manning or Tom Brady or Aaron Rodgers?"
 
2012-11-20 03:03:18 PM

Lunchlady: poughdrew: Lunchlady: Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.

Because Ohio State will be our AP Champion this year.

.....which doesn't answer my question at all....


The computer rankings seem to give Nebraska the edge on strength of schedule by a big margin, no doubt due to having to play, and losing to, a top-4 Ohio State team. The Colley Matrix has Ohio State as #3 and Nebraska at #9. In fact, no computer poll has UCLA higher than Nebraska.

The human polls where UCLA is higher than Nebraska, the AP and Legends, are not factored into the BCS standings.

Also, there are not 4-5 teams in the Pac-10 that could all beat Ohio State this year.
 
2012-11-20 03:30:25 PM

poughdrew: Lunchlady: poughdrew: Lunchlady: Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.

Because Ohio State will be our AP Champion this year.

.....which doesn't answer my question at all....

The computer rankings seem to give Nebraska the edge on strength of schedule by a big margin, no doubt due to having to play, and losing to, a top-4 Ohio State team. The Colley Matrix has Ohio State as #3 and Nebraska at #9. In fact, no computer poll has UCLA higher than Nebraska.

The human polls where UCLA is higher than Nebraska, the AP and Legends, are not factored into the BCS standings.

Also, there are not 4-5 teams in the Pac-10 that could all beat Ohio State this year.


Agreed on the last point.

You have to concede though, the rest of the Big(10?) is dreadful this year. Nebraska is just the turd floating on top.
 
2012-11-20 03:32:09 PM
Unfinished business
 
2012-11-20 04:04:47 PM
because USC is like Notre Dame, the media blows them all the time?
 
2012-11-20 04:12:31 PM
More importantly, will somebody please find me the people who drafted Brady Quinn and/or Jimmy Clausen? I have a feeling I could make a boat load of cash selling them some magic beans.
 
2012-11-20 04:36:56 PM
I like how the Usc backup qb guaranteed a win against the Irish without ever even having a start in a game before. Talk about Nd all you want but that defense is good.
 
2012-11-20 05:09:48 PM
I've been wondering this for a while now. Name two great NFL Quarterbacks that played their College ball at USC...

Neither Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez count, either
 
2012-11-20 09:25:52 PM

JasonThomasX: I've been wondering this for a while now. Name two great NFL Quarterbacks that played their College ball at USC...

Neither Carson Palmer or Mark Sanchez count, either


well usc is tailback u not qb u, but pat hayden was mentioned earlier other than that ... rodney peete?

name 2 from
UF
or florida state
or miami not including bernie kosar or jim kelly

if you eliminate the top 2 quarterbacks from any school, the list of great nfl quarterbacks gets short quickly.
off the top of my head stanford and byu are the only ones that might be close

stanford - plunkett, elway, luck and john brodie (ok i am old)
byu - mcmahon, steve young ... detmer, um?
purdue - brees, orton, bob griese and len dawson
michigan - brady, harbaugh, uh griese and grbac
ole miss - 2 mannings
tulane - patrick ramsey, sean king, jp losman
nd - montana, theisman, lamonica, ...............................mirer
ucla - aikman, jay scroeder, kilmer, cade mc- okay no.
 
2012-11-20 09:42:21 PM
after thinking and typing-

alabama gets namath and stabler, both awesome hair
washington has a lot that have played but maybe none great except warren moon. brunell, huards, chris chandler, steve peleur, billy joe hobert, jake locker and someone named sonny sixkiller.
 
2012-11-20 11:35:32 PM

Lunchlady: Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.


Don't you West Coast idiots whine this every year? You've let that USC mentality rub off on your conference and you think you're a lot better than you really are. At least the B1G can admit they are rebuilding....Pac-12 is crappy and refuses to admit it.
 
2012-11-21 01:53:31 AM

OhioUGrad: Lunchlady: Better question: Why the hell is UCLA still ranked worse than Nebraska, who they BEAT?

There are 4-5 teams in the PAC-12 that could probably beat every team in the Big 10.

Don't you West Coast idiots whine this every year? You've let that USC mentality rub off on your conference and you think you're a lot better than you really are. At least the B1G can admit they are rebuilding....Pac-12 is crappy and refuses to admit it.


Outside of Ohio State which isn't eligible, and Nebraska which UCLA has already beaten you name me one team in the Big 10 that could play Stanford, Oregon, Oregon State, USC, UCLA, and Arizona State and come out above .500.
 
2012-11-21 12:24:32 PM
Shouldn't you expand that to "Any and all college quarterbacks"? A top-tier pro quarterback is the rarest of the rare, and if one thing is certain it is that NOBODY knows whether a college QB will be great in the NFL. Sure there are some you think may be good, but you just can't guarantee anything.
 
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