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2012-11-20 09:38:05 AM
I first watched the show during Tom Baker's run. He IS the Doctor; everyone else has been an actor PLAYING the Doctor.

And it's always going to be that way, for everyone. Whoever you're watching when you decide you love it, they're the pinnacle. That is the form the show is in when you decide you love it, and anything else is not 100% the show you decided you love.
 
2012-11-20 10:12:47 AM

unlikely: Whoever you're watching when you decide you love it, they're the pinnacle.


Counterpoint: I started watching during the other Baker's tenure.
 
2012-11-20 10:29:17 AM
Author needs to get a life.
I started with Tennant, but love Smith.
The older episodes are as expected - just as formulaic as the new ones.
Get over yourselves - It's a fun and very silly show.
Just enjoy it.
 
2012-11-20 10:31:16 AM
Yeah, lets not turn Doctor Who hipster, let ever fan enjoy why they love the show without being looked down on...
 
2012-11-20 10:37:58 AM
Did anyone actually finish reading that monstrosity? I got to the third page before my eyes started bleeding. It was like some freshman padding a paper of 500 words to meet the requirement of 5000 words.
 
2012-11-20 10:44:00 AM
My friend is obsessed with Doctor Who. He even has a Doctor Who theme on his XBOX.

So I Netflixed up whatever episodes I could to start with. Watched about two episodes of Christopher Eccleston as the doctor and lost interest pretty quickly.

Is this a bad place to start? Because I don't understand how this is engaging to people.
 
2012-11-20 10:47:16 AM

theurge14: Is this a bad place to start? Because I don't understand how this is engaging to people.


Men. There are better places, IMO.. but essentially it's like Firefly - it either clicks with you, or it doesn't. Not much in between. Try the episode Blink - if that doesn't do it, then Who is just not your cup of tea.
 
2012-11-20 10:50:55 AM

theurge14: So I Netflixed up whatever episodes I could to start with. Watched about two episodes of Christopher Eccleston as the doctor and lost interest pretty quickly.

Is this a bad place to start?


I'd recommend either starting with the first Matt Smith episode -- most of his episodes have been pretty good, and i think he's the best of the "modern" doctors.

or watching the "best of" Tennant's episodes (Blink, Girl in the Fireplace)

If none of these click with you, then doctor who's just not the show for you.
 
2012-11-20 10:56:34 AM
I started with the novelisations in my school, aside from Three you can't tell which Doctor is which(if you didn't know the companions it could get confusing).
Every Doctor is my Doctor. No actor has the role in my head, they're all just different men who played a Lord.
And I like nuwho just as much. Some weak episodes, some great ones and a bunch of good ones every year. All of space and time.
 
2012-11-20 10:59:37 AM

Magruda: Did anyone actually finish reading that monstrosity? I got to the third page before my eyes started bleeding. It was like some freshman padding a paper of 500 words to meet the requirement of 5000 words.


I got as far as where he makes the point that the new doctor is somehow both a pacifist and a unhinged murderer and it makes no sense to him. It shows that he hasn't paid attention that the Doctor needs a companion to provide him with a sense of humanity.
 
2012-11-20 11:04:24 AM

RassilonsExWife: theurge14: Is this a bad place to start? Because I don't understand how this is engaging to people.

Men. There are better places, IMO.. but essentially it's like Firefly - it either clicks with you, or it doesn't. Not much in between. Try the episode Blink - if that doesn't do it, then Who is just not your cup of tea.


Well since I loved Firefly I'll take your advice and give it another go.
 
2012-11-20 11:05:04 AM

unlikely: I first watched the show during Tom Baker's run. He IS the Doctor; everyone else has been an actor PLAYING the Doctor.

And it's always going to be that way, for everyone. Whoever you're watching when you decide you love it, they're the pinnacle. That is the form the show is in when you decide you love it, and anything else is not 100% the show you decided you love.


Peter Davidson is my doctor.

/and yet I can still manage to find some measure of enjoyment out of the new shows
//and out of life
///go figure
/its because of slashies!
 
2012-11-20 11:05:06 AM
Old Doctor Who blows goats. It was boring, and poorly acted, and the sets/costumes/monsters/special FX looked hokey and cheap.

New Doctor Who at least looks great, even if some of the plotlines are incomprehensible.

Don't even get me started on Torchwood.
 
2012-11-20 11:06:44 AM

Tax Boy: I'd recommend either starting with the first Matt Smith episode -- most of his episodes have been pretty good, and i think he's the best of the "modern" doctors.


Excluding this current season, Smith's episodes have been decent. This season has been the worst of the "modern run". And, no, Tennant is still the best of the Nu WHo.
 
2012-11-20 11:11:19 AM
10>11....the only reason the male Whovians like Smith is because Amy Pond is a hot redhead, where as Tennant ended up with mostly "average" looking and somewhat older companions, with the notable exception of Martha Jones.

Also, Torchwood blows, despite Capt. Jack's hotness factor.
 
2012-11-20 11:12:31 AM

The Martian Manhandler: Don't even get me started on Torchwood.


That show was fantastic until they moved it to the US version. On the other hand, it's not unlikely that Captain Jack has actually blown goats, so you may be right.
 
2012-11-20 11:12:45 AM
I stopped reading when he complained about the characterization in A Good Man Goes To War. Its one thing to miss the point, another thing to miss the point when it's right there in the title.
 
2012-11-20 11:15:07 AM
I miss stories like the Robots of Death. Wiki article: Link

The ep is online, easy to find. Great great (scary) stuff.
 
2012-11-20 11:15:24 AM

Teresaol31: 10>11....the only reason the male Whovians like Smith is because Amy Pond is a hot redhead, where as Tennant ended up with mostly "average" looking and somewhat older companions, with the notable exception of Martha Jones.


Catherine Tate is arguably the best of the modern companions.
 
2012-11-20 11:18:04 AM
The last amy and rory episode could've been soooo good if they didn't go over the top with the damn statue of liberty and had a better reason than OMG STRAY RANDOM ANGEL GOT RORY.

Feel like it will pick up again at christmas fresh and good.
 
2012-11-20 11:20:14 AM

Teresaol31: 10>11....the only reason the male Whovians like Smith is because Amy Pond is a hot redhead, where as Tennant ended up with mostly "average" looking and somewhat older companions, with the notable exception of Martha Jones.


i.imgur.com

That's a good reason.
 
2012-11-20 11:20:37 AM
I got my start with Baker so he is my favorite Doctor. When I think of Doctor Who he's the Doctor I think about. From a production standpoint, the Ecleston - Smith years are better. Thankfully, I can ignore the sounds of footsteps and plywood sets of the original series and enjoy the same unique story lines. I think they're harder for new Who fans to get into because they're not as visually appealing.
 
2012-11-20 11:21:42 AM

sinanju: Teresaol31: 10>11....the only reason the male Whovians like Smith is because Amy Pond is a hot redhead, where as Tennant ended up with mostly "average" looking and somewhat older companions, with the notable exception of Martha Jones.

Catherine Tate is arguably the best of the modern companions.


Yes, she was, and I don't HATE Amy Pond, I just think that the story lines are less worthy since she and Rory entered the Tardis, and that the only reason the male fans accept the crappy story lines of the 11th Doctor era is that she's a young redhead. Put Donna Nobel in the same exact episodes (although of course we'd have to find her neurotic ass a husband with more guts that Temple first) and those episodes would draw some serious Whovian hate.
 
2012-11-20 11:23:51 AM

theurge14: My friend is obsessed with Doctor Who. He even has a Doctor Who theme on his XBOX.

So I Netflixed up whatever episodes I could to start with. Watched about two episodes of Christopher Eccleston as the doctor and lost interest pretty quickly.

Is this a bad place to start? Because I don't understand how this is engaging to people.


If you're younger, start with the newest Doctor, Matt Smith.
His portrayal is light hearted and goofy enough to not seem overwhelming in the weirdness or nerdiness of the show.

It will also seem the most modern due to camerawork and effects and therefore more familiar than the old Whos

Work your way backwards so the older Doctor Whos arent getting judged based on the show's age but rather comparing the Doctors to each other
 
2012-11-20 11:24:11 AM

Teresaol31: 10>11....the only reason the male Whovians like Smith is because Amy Pond is a hot redhead, where as Tennant ended up with mostly "average" looking and somewhat older companions, with the notable exception of Martha Jones.

Also, Torchwood blows, despite Capt. Jack's hotness factor.


Interestingly I didn't like Martha and preferred Donna. She was a bit over the top but stood her own. Do agree about Amy though
 
2012-11-20 11:24:28 AM
Thanks for the advice everyone.
 
2012-11-20 11:25:36 AM

DuudeStanky: Work your way backwards so the older Doctor Whos arent getting judged based on the show's age but rather comparing the Doctors to each other


So is this considered River Songing?
 
2012-11-20 11:29:13 AM

unlikely: I first watched the show during Tom Baker's run. He IS the Doctor; everyone else has been an actor PLAYING the Doctor.

And it's always going to be that way, for everyone. Whoever you're watching when you decide you love it, they're the pinnacle. That is the form the show is in when you decide you love it, and anything else is not 100% the show you decided you love.


THE DOCTOR would like to have a word with you.

www.tnelson.demon.co.uk

Either way, the old show and new series are apples and oranges. Same character, same continuity, but different creative style and format. There's really no comparing them straight up to each other.
 
2012-11-20 11:32:20 AM

Teresaol31: sinanju: Teresaol31: 10>11....the only reason the male Whovians like Smith is because Amy Pond is a hot redhead, where as Tennant ended up with mostly "average" looking and somewhat older companions, with the notable exception of Martha Jones.

Catherine Tate is arguably the best of the modern companions.

Yes, she was, and I don't HATE Amy Pond, I just think that the story lines are less worthy since she and Rory entered the Tardis, and that the only reason the male fans accept the crappy story lines of the 11th Doctor era is that she's a young redhead. Put Donna Nobel in the same exact episodes (although of course we'd have to find her neurotic ass a husband with more guts that Temple first) and those episodes would draw some serious Whovian hate.


I'm a male Who fan and I HATE Amy Pond. I think she was a blight on the show, and that Matt Smith hasn't been able to show what he can really do with the role because it's been the goddamned motherfarking Amy Pond Show for pretty much Smith's entire run.

Maybe now we'll see Doctor Who again that the red menace is gone.

/but the new companion will probably be another mostestest specialest girl in the whole universe, as most of the other companions in the new era have been.
 
2012-11-20 11:37:27 AM
If you can avoid getting hung up by the low-budget effects, admittedly hard to do, check out some of Tom Baker's best. I particularly love "Genesis of the Daleks" and "Pyramids of Mars" and "The Invasion of Time". I think that they're all on Netflix. And then there's Pertwee's "The Sea Devils". Again, horrid low budget production values, but the conclusion... wow. Very emotional.

Now try to imagine those episodes with a real production budget, and you'll see how the New Who is lacking.

I still watch it, but the whole style-over-substance thing is getting tired.
 
2012-11-20 11:38:57 AM

jonnyh: If you can avoid getting hung up by the low-budget effects, admittedly hard to do, check out some of Tom Baker's best. I particularly love "Genesis of the Daleks" and "Pyramids of Mars" and "The Invasion of Time". I think that they're all on Netflix. And then there's Pertwee's "The Sea Devils". Again, horrid low budget production values, but the conclusion... wow. Very emotional.

Now try to imagine those episodes with a real production budget, and you'll see how the New Who is lacking.

I still watch it, but the whole style-over-substance thing is getting tired.


Davison's Earthshock, Kinda, and Caves of Androzani
Baker 2's Vengeance on Varos
Any surviving Patrick Troughton serial...
 
2012-11-20 11:40:25 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Either way, the old show and new series are apples and oranges. Same character, same continuity, but different creative style and format. There's really no comparing them straight up to each other.


This.
 
2012-11-20 11:41:08 AM
The article says a lot of things very well.

NuWho is so busy trying to be ironic, tongue-in-cheek, melodramatic, and sentimental -- all at the wrong moments -- that it's just not very good entertainment. Unless you're a fanboi or some sort of idiot who likes 'genre fiction' it's worth giving it a pass.
 
2012-11-20 11:41:12 AM

thecpt: DuudeStanky: Work your way backwards so the older Doctor Whos arent getting judged based on the show's age but rather comparing the Doctors to each other

So is this considered River Songing?


Haha too true! I hadn't even thought of that

River Songing © - Watching Doctor Who from newest to oldest Doctors. Also can refer to the act of stating, "Hello Sweetie!" whenever seeing him onscreen.
 
2012-11-20 11:41:26 AM

FirstNationalBastard: /but the new companion will probably be another mostestest specialest girl in the whole universe, as most of the other companions in the new era have been.


That's why I liked Martha, she really wasn't like that and was often there as backup if anything. Donna "oh what a terrible tragedy" and other BS. Amy "look at me, I wear the pants" was just repetitive, and Rose... ok I kind of liked her.
 
2012-11-20 11:42:10 AM
It depends on the episode, but the older episodes have NOT aged well. Also, Dr. Who has ALWAYS BEEN style-over-substance. I mean the first Tom Baker episode was him fighting a stupid giant robot.
 
2012-11-20 11:44:36 AM

FirstNationalBastard: but the new companion will probably be another mostestest specialest girl in the whole universe


Um, well, she's pretty hot. And cute. At the same time.
 
2012-11-20 11:44:59 AM

thecpt: FirstNationalBastard: /but the new companion will probably be another mostestest specialest girl in the whole universe, as most of the other companions in the new era have been.

That's why I liked Martha, she really wasn't like that and was often there as backup if anything. Donna "oh what a terrible tragedy" and other BS. Amy "look at me, I wear the pants" was just repetitive, and Rose... ok I kind of liked her.


Martha's major failing was she took the "PUT YOUR SPINY TIME LORD COCK INSIDE ME" aspect of Rose and amplified it by about 200%. But, hey, Blink

Donna Noble's run was consistently great until the end. That was bullshiat.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:49 AM
NuWho...stopped reading right there. Someone who uses this phrase with this spelling has no integrity.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:57 AM

gingerjet: /and yet I can still manage to find some measure of enjoyment out of the new shows


Me too. My point was the article is a whole lot of "Wah, it's not like the OLD days" and that's just dumb.

Of COURSE it's not the episodes/flavor/Doctor you fell in love with; that's the nature of time. But that doesn't mean it is arguably terrible.

/okay I can do slashies too
//I really didn't like Pond but Rory more than made up for it
///Smith is my least favorite Doctor like honey cured is my least favorite bacon... still bacon, still Doctor Who
 
2012-11-20 11:51:33 AM
Author thinks modern version of childhood entertainment is crap. Film at 11.
 
2012-11-20 11:51:42 AM

SineSwiper: It depends on the episode, but the older episodes have NOT aged well. Also, Dr. Who has ALWAYS BEEN style-over-substance. I mean the first Tom Baker episode was him fighting a stupid giant robot.


I have to disagree with this - because their effects and production was so bad and low-end, they really had to rely on plot and dialogue to carry things. Eye candy just wasn't going to do it.

The giant robot stuff? Not a really great example of what worked best in the old series. Still enjoyable because Tom Baker was irresistible.

Also see: Blake's 7. Again, great story and acting. Special effects? Not so much. Totally presaged Firefly.

//Still thinks that Servalan was hot.
///Yes, obscure.
 
2012-11-20 11:54:34 AM

FirstNationalBastard: Martha's major failing was she took the "PUT YOUR SPINY TIME LORD COCK INSIDE ME" aspect of Rose and amplified it by about 200%. But, hey, Blink

Donna Noble's run was consistently great until the end. That was bullshiat.


Yeah, I didn't understand why they did that with Martha, but still episodes like Family of Blood showed she was good when serious. Then again, I could easily see why a girl would want Tenant.

Anyways Donna's run was so skittish. My favorite episode (Midnight) didn't even have her in it and they changed her character from being selfish to saintly waaaay too quickly and without progressive development. I could see liking her, but I can't do it myself.
 
2012-11-20 11:55:34 AM
doctorwho.maxupdates.tv

Will always be my Doctor
 
2012-11-20 11:56:35 AM
More on Blake's 7... we'll be having the same old vs. new biatchfest before long, it seems. SyFy is remaking Blake's 7.

//hmm, is Blake's 7 on Netflix?
//...Servalan....
 
2012-11-20 11:57:31 AM

jonnyh: More on Blake's 7... we'll be having the same old vs. new biatchfest before long, it seems. SyFy is remaking Blake's 7.

//hmm, is Blake's 7 on Netflix?
//...Servalan....


Ah, Siffy.

They'll ruin it, it'll be canceled within a season, and there will be no debate.
 
2012-11-20 11:58:36 AM

thecpt: FirstNationalBastard: /but the new companion will probably be another mostestest specialest girl in the whole universe, as most of the other companions in the new era have been.

That's why I liked Martha, she really wasn't like that and was often there as backup if anything. Donna "oh what a terrible tragedy" and other BS. Amy "look at me, I wear the pants" was just repetitive, and Rose... ok I kind of liked her.


Amy wore pants? I seem to recall a lot of EXTREMELY short skirts, but not much in the way of pants (she's dressed as a cop/stripper in the first "grown up Amy" episode which pretty well set the tone for her whole run.)
 
2012-11-20 12:01:38 PM

SineSwiper: It depends on the episode, but the older episodes have NOT aged well. Also, Dr. Who has ALWAYS BEEN style-over-substance. I mean the first Tom Baker episode was him fighting a stupid giant robot.


Had to be that way. When Robot was wriiten, it wasn't certain who would be cast as 4, so it had to be a UNIT story that could easily be altered for whatever character traits the new Doctor would have.
 
2012-11-20 12:02:47 PM

Teresaol31: thecpt: FirstNationalBastard: /but the new companion will probably be another mostestest specialest girl in the whole universe, as most of the other companions in the new era have been.

That's why I liked Martha, she really wasn't like that and was often there as backup if anything. Donna "oh what a terrible tragedy" and other BS. Amy "look at me, I wear the pants" was just repetitive, and Rose... ok I kind of liked her.

Amy wore pants? I seem to recall a lot of EXTREMELY short skirts, but not much in the way of pants (she's dressed as a cop/stripper in the first "grown up Amy" episode which pretty well set the tone for her whole run.)


It doesn't mean she was actually wearing pants. It is an idiom meaning she was in charge, she was the one who was the bread-winner head-of-household etc.
 
2012-11-20 12:03:13 PM

Tax Boy: theurge14: So I Netflixed up whatever episodes I could to start with. Watched about two episodes of Christopher Eccleston as the doctor and lost interest pretty quickly.

Is this a bad place to start?

I'd recommend either starting with the first Matt Smith episode -- most of his episodes have been pretty good, and i think he's the best of the "modern" doctors.

or watching the "best of" Tennant's episodes (Blink, Girl in the Fireplace)

If none of these click with you, then doctor who's just not the show for you.


Or "School Reunion" as your first Billie Piper Who Episode. I don't remember how I started after staying away due to the Rose Fanboy Wuv. But I eventually went Companion by Companion.

/and the Christmas Stories
 
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