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(Deadline)   J.R.R. Tolkien estate sues Warner Bros. for $80 million because they made Hobbit slot machines   (deadline.com) divider line 57
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2012-11-20 12:03:35 AM
What were the odds?
 
2012-11-20 12:24:05 AM
Coming next: Hobbit themed sex toys... the Dildo Daggins as it were.
 
2012-11-20 03:39:28 AM
The Hobbit has been one long litigation slugfest. This is odd because there are LoTR slots already out there.
 
mhd
2012-11-20 05:19:23 AM
Is Christopher Tolkien still behind all this? He's getting a bit too old to spend his last years with lawyers...
 
2012-11-20 05:30:54 AM
One does not simply walk into Vegas.
 
2012-11-20 05:35:33 AM
Thank Gandalf the rights are well looked after.

I thought the film on the right was the Jackson production and had a big black Bilbo carrying a big stick. 

www.themarysue.com
 
2012-11-20 05:40:58 AM
The other day I saw a Tolkien Craps table. I could tell because it a had a You Shall Not Pass Line.
 
2012-11-20 05:57:26 AM
The other day I saw a Hobbit Cirque de Soleil show. I could tell because it a had a Tom Bombadil song.
 
2012-11-20 06:34:40 AM
i3.kym-cdn.com
 
2012-11-20 06:36:45 AM
So, did they sue for these yet?

www.notcot.com

3.bp.blogspot.com

media-cache-lt0.pinterest.com

FTA: "Not only are gambling services outside the rights granted, but this exploitation of Tolkien's well-loved work has offended and distressed Tolkien's devoted fans, harming Tolkien's legacy and reputation,"

/loves Tolkien's work.
/doesn't like gambling
/not especially offended
 
2012-11-20 06:48:31 AM
Well, it's a slot machine that won't give old people the heart attacksheebie-jeebies like the Aliens slots.
 
2012-11-20 07:34:25 AM

Because People in power are Stupid: Coming next: Hobbit themed sex toys... the Dildo Daggins as it were.


Tom Bombadildo
 
2012-11-20 07:39:15 AM
My fiancee won $100 on a Star Wars nickel slot on time.
 
2012-11-20 07:43:56 AM
Did Tolkien actually invent the race of Hobbit? I know there have been "elves" going all the way back to Germanic mythos with the Kobold lore, and I presume dwarves are likewise public domain. I remember being able to choose "hobbit" as a race in the old Wizardry games, so I always figured they were likewise part of public lore.
 
2012-11-20 07:51:25 AM

Tommy Moo: Did Tolkien actually invent the race of Hobbit?


No more than he "invented" elves, dwarves, etc. Tolkien drew a lot on myth. If you read The Hobbit, in particular, you find a lot of familiar aspects in Hobbits as you might in Brownies, or other "little people".

You might say he re-invented a lot of those things. But then I tend to believe creativity isn't necessarily about creating absolutely brand new things. You're always re-treading ground to some extent- drawing on what's come before.

Everything is a remix.
 
2012-11-20 07:55:05 AM

Practical_Draconian: Well, it's a slot machine that won't give old people the heart attacksheebie-jeebies like the Aliens slots.


I played that one last summer at a casino in WV... I was kind of going around playing all the licensed property slots I found interesting. Played the Match Game one, the Airplane! one, a handful of others. I wouldn't mind playing a LOTR themed one simply for the fun of it. Let's face it, slots have terrible odds. I spent about two hours losing about half the money I brought with me at the slot machines. But I had fun, It reminded me of the times I went to arcades as a little kid with a roll of quarters, playing all the neat looking games and losing horribly.

But in this case, all it took was an hour at the blackjack table to win it all back, and left for the day with nothing lost, nothing gained, except for a $5 chip I kept as a souvenir. You didn't get to do that at the arcade.
 
mhd
2012-11-20 08:00:34 AM

Tommy Moo: Did Tolkien actually invent the race of Hobbit?


He came up with the word (at least for a race of small people), so they definitely have a point there, as opposed to "elf" and "dwarf".

As for the culture, well, we don't know who's to blame for the West Country.

/is there a pagan Cider god?
 
2012-11-20 08:04:58 AM
The Goblin King looks like a Ball Sack!
how did the estate let this happen???

i.ebayimg.com

www.entertainmentearth.com
 
2012-11-20 08:09:11 AM
FTA: Not only are gambling services outside the rights granted, but this exploitation of Tolkien's well-loved work has offended and distressed Tolkien's devoted fans,

Oh, for fark's sake. Then "Tolkien's devoted fans" are raging pussies that need to get a life.
 
2012-11-20 08:17:08 AM

Jizz Master Zero: FTA: Not only are gambling services outside the rights granted, but this exploitation of Tolkien's well-loved work has offended and distressed Tolkien's devoted fans,

Oh, for fark's sake. Then "Tolkien's devoted fans" are raging pussies that need to get a life.


To be fair, Tolkien's estate has had a long and storied history of being very cagey about how its license is represented.

When I'd initially heard about the LOTR films years before they were out, I think my first reaction was shock that Jackson managed to convince the Tolkien Estate to give it a go at all. Honestly the sour grapes here doesn't surprise me much.

I'm glad they're concerned, but there is such a thing as being too concerned. And the Tolkiens have always erred more on that side of things.
 
mhd
2012-11-20 08:31:44 AM

SkunkWerks: When I'd initially heard about the LOTR films years before they were out, I think my first reaction was shock that Jackson managed to convince the Tolkien Estate to give it a go at all.


I think they never did. Didn't Tolkien himself sell the film rights ages ago, so the Tolkien estate didn't really have a say. It's been a while, but I remember Christopher Tolkien basically disinheriting one of his sons because he contributed to the movies.
 
2012-11-20 08:37:39 AM
Sure the Hobbit was a good children's book but when are we going to get a Jonathan Strange & Mr Norrell or The Name of Wind movie?
 
2012-11-20 08:42:08 AM

Command1: www.entertainmentearth.com


You have to admit, it kinda does look like Dame Edna.

/Or at least her manager Barry Humphries.
 
2012-11-20 08:50:21 AM

mhd: I think they never did.


It seems you may be correct.

mhd: Didn't Tolkien himself sell the film rights ages ago


From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Works_inspired_by_J._R._R._Tolkien

Tolkien originally sold the film, stage and merchandise rights of The Hobbit and The Lord of the Rings to United Artists in 1968, but they never made a film, and in 1976 the rights were sold to Tolkien Enterprises, a division of the Saul Zaentz Company.

And then there was a sticky issue with movie rights to the Hobbit, which technically belonged to Warner Brothers (via the Ralph Bakshi animated adaptations of the late 70's and early 80's) and not New Line. That's no small part of what's delayed this film- to the point where Guillermo Del Toro had to move on, in fact.

mhd: It's been a while, but I remember Christopher Tolkien basically disinheriting one of his sons because he contributed to the movies.


From: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simon_Tolkien

When Christopher Tolkien issued a statement that the "Tolkien estate would be best advised to avoid any specific association with the films",[3] Simon Tolkien broke with the estate and offered to cooperate with the filmmakers, stating "It was my view that we take a much more positive line on the film and that was overruled by my father."[4] Following up a 2001 interview with the Independent, Simon in 2003 gave interviews to the Daily Telegraph and other media in which he discussed his strained relationship with his father, describing it as a permanent breach.*

*emphasis mine

Interesting. I'd not looked into this before that deeply. Honestly I'm glad the films got made all the same and I think the Tolkiens (the elder ones anyway) are being kinda dickish about the whole thing.
 
mhd
2012-11-20 08:50:24 AM

Carth: The Name of Wind movie


Whenever Robert Pattinson has free capacities.
 
2012-11-20 08:53:24 AM
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2012-11-20 08:55:31 AM

mhd: Carth: The Name of Wind movie

Whenever Robert Pattinson has free capacities.


Only if we can get Kristen Stewart as Denna. Those two have real chemistry ya know?
 
2012-11-20 09:22:40 AM

Carth: mhd: Carth: The Name of Wind movie

Whenever Robert Pattinson has free capacities.

Only if we can get Kristen Stewart as Denna. Those two have real chemistry ya know?


All she has to do is fark the director and she is in.
 
2012-11-20 09:32:04 AM
The guy has been dead for almost 40 years, copyright shouldn't last this long. I blame Disney
 
2012-11-20 09:33:07 AM
So, I assume everybody saw the latest trailer, right? The one that played in the previews before Skyfall?

Was that one of those "CGI unfinished" trailers? The dwarves looked terrible. Especially the really fat one. What was up with that?!
 
2012-11-20 09:34:54 AM
I would have called them The Lord of the Spins, The Fellowship of the Spins, The Return of the Spin, and the Two Towers with Flashing Lights and Bells.
 
2012-11-20 09:38:20 AM

Tommy Moo: Did Tolkien actually invent the race of Hobbit? I know there have been "elves" going all the way back to Germanic mythos with the Kobold lore, and I presume dwarves are likewise public domain. I remember being able to choose "hobbit" as a race in the old Wizardry games, so I always figured they were likewise part of public lore.


The Encyclopedia of Arda has you covered.
 
2012-11-20 09:40:24 AM

randroid: So, I assume everybody saw the latest trailer, right? The one that played in the previews before Skyfall?

Was that one of those "CGI unfinished" trailers? The dwarves looked terrible. Especially the really fat one. What was up with that?!


The hobbit is showing in 48fps. I think anyone who isn't used to seeing the "soap opera effect" on 120 Hz tvs is going be annoyed with the CGI.
 
2012-11-20 09:41:32 AM

Archie Goodwin: The other day I saw a Tolkien Craps table. I could tell because it a had a You Shall Not Pass Line.


Was it next to the Holy Grail craps table?

\\That has a None Shall Pass line
 
2012-11-20 10:09:02 AM
The Estate is out of its mind. I worked on a licensed Tolkien property, and they are extremely controlling, but without the talent of the original author. They ended up screwing up parts of our story in very frustrating ways, in spite of the story experts we had on staff (impressive bunch).
 
mhd
2012-11-20 10:10:09 AM

lectos: All she has to do is fark the director and she is in.


Now, who do we pick as the director for a Name of the Wind movie? The books are all about romance, music, great hair - maybe someone from the Step Up franchise?
 
2012-11-20 10:14:44 AM
Is this a good thread to mention how much "The Lord of the Rings" sucks? And how Tolkien was an awful writer?
 
2012-11-20 10:21:33 AM

realmolo: Is this a good thread to mention how much "The Lord of the Rings" sucks? And how Tolkien was an awful writer?


Every page, I wished for those stupid farking hobbits to finally die so I could be done with the damn book. Eventually I realised I could just put it back on the shelf and never read it again. The movies were excellent.
 
2012-11-20 10:29:54 AM
Why the fark do 2 or 3 of the Hobbits in this upcoming film look like they were taken somewhat seriously, and the rest look like creepy Disney abortions? It's like they had two makeup artists going with completely different visions. I am looking forward to the films, but Peter Jackson dropped the ball there.
 
2012-11-20 10:31:23 AM

realmolo: Is this a good thread to mention how much "The Lord of the Rings" sucks? And how Tolkien was an awful writer?


Yeah yeah. You liked "Money Pit". Or something. Blah.
 
2012-11-20 10:35:56 AM

SacriliciousBeerSwiller: Why the fark do 2 or 3 of the Hobbits DWARVES in this upcoming film look like they were taken somewhat seriously, and the rest look like creepy Disney abortions? It's like they had two makeup artists going with completely different visions. I am looking forward to the films, but Peter Jackson dropped the ball there.


FTFM. Caffeine not kicking in.
 
2012-11-20 10:37:44 AM

SkunkWerks: Tommy Moo: Did Tolkien actually invent the race of Hobbit?

No more than he "invented" elves, dwarves, etc. Tolkien drew a lot on myth. If you read The Hobbit, in particular, you find a lot of familiar aspects in Hobbits as you might in Brownies, or other "little people".

You might say he re-invented a lot of those things. But then I tend to believe creativity isn't necessarily about creating absolutely brand new things. You're always re-treading ground to some extent- drawing on what's come before.

Everything is a remix.


Tolkien was explicitly re-writing myth when he wrote LotR. He was a linguist and a mythologian who specialized in Celtic and Teutonic mythology. He was worried that modern society was forgetting the old myths of their cultures, and wanted to reframe many of the character archetypes and conceptual threads into a new modernized form that would be more accessible to people. Even Tolkien knew he wasn't inventing anything. Aragorn is the lost king, a thread you see from Arthurian myths through a bunch of others. That's why the whole Tom Bombadil things exists, even though it's a weird departure from the story, so much so it was cut from the movie. Heck, he even kept some names; Gimli is straight out of Norse mythology, name and all.

Not only is it a remix, Tolkien was TRYING to make a remix. The stuff that Tolkien brought was the anti-industrialism you can see in the comparison between the Shire and such and Mordor, and the Christianity you can see poking through in the monotheistic views with entities like Gandalf as essentially angels.


HindiDiscoMonster: Tolkien was the first to create such a world and story. He is the grandfather of the fantasy literary genre. Other "fantasy" work like Arthur and such were considered folklore. In the Germanic example, those were considered folklore.


He absolutely is not the guy who invented "fantasy", and it's beyond ridiculous to think so. What he created has been used as the pattern for modern epic fantasy, but that has as much to do with the mythological underpinnings he borrowed as with anything else. There's plenty of other fantasy out there, predating Tolkien by hundreds of years. The Arthurian romances weren't folklore; they were books written based on stories that were almost forgotten, much the same as what Tolkien did a few hundred years later. Shakespeare had a lot of very explicit fantasy; what the heck else would you call things like A Midsummer Night's Dream? Later, you had things like Alice in Wonderland, and the Wizard of Oz.

Tolkien wasn't published until 1937. There's a TON of stuff that predates him. He was the start of a rebirth, but he didn't invent jack or shiat.
 
mhd
2012-11-20 10:42:08 AM

realmolo: Is this a good thread to mention how much "The Lord of the Rings" sucks? And how Tolkien was an awful writer?


You're not the only one:

"I know that this may not be a popular opinion amongst Tolkein grognards,
but the fact is that the D&D Movie was a superior piece of filmcraft in
almost every regard. I think the future will bear me out on this one.

Consider -- Tolkein's work itself was never written for the masses. The
script of the D&D Movie is masterfully written to be accessible to all
walks of humanity. Meanwhile, Tolkein's story is reserved for the ivory
towers of an arrogant minority of English teachers and Anglophiles."
 
2012-11-20 10:54:20 AM

mhd: realmolo: Is this a good thread to mention how much "The Lord of the Rings" sucks? And how Tolkien was an awful writer?

You're not the only one:

"I know that this may not be a popular opinion amongst Tolkein grognards,
but the fact is that the D&D Movie was a superior piece of filmcraft in
almost every regard. I think the future will bear me out on this one.

Consider -- Tolkein's work itself was never written for the masses. The
script of the D&D Movie is masterfully written to be accessible to all
walks of humanity. Meanwhile, Tolkein's story is reserved for the ivory
towers of an arrogant minority of English teachers and Anglophiles."


I didn't know Armond White had an online presence in 2001.
 
2012-11-20 11:03:15 AM

mhd: realmolo: Is this a good thread to mention how much "The Lord of the Rings" sucks? And how Tolkien was an awful writer?

You're not the only one:

"I know that this may not be a popular opinion amongst Tolkein grognards,
but the fact is that the D&D Movie was a superior piece of filmcraft in
almost every regard. I think the future will bear me out on this one.

Consider -- Tolkein's work itself was never written for the masses. The
script of the D&D Movie is masterfully written to be accessible to all
walks of humanity. Meanwhile, Tolkein's story is reserved for the ivory
towers of an arrogant minority of English teachers and Anglophiles."


I know that was English, but that made no freakin' sense whatsoever.

/And yes
//I'm a Tolkien fan
///Also I like The Dresden Files and the Iron Druid Chronicles, but that's beside the point
 
2012-11-20 11:06:58 AM
Nasssty tricksy machine robs us.
 
2012-11-20 11:26:26 AM
I just installed a bunch of these at my casino. They're not doing very well. Usually a new game gets a real high volume of play the first few months it's on the floor, but these are performing like six-month old titles. We're probably going to convert them to something else soon.
 
2012-11-20 11:45:52 AM

SkunkWerks: And then there was a sticky issue with movie rights to the Hobbit, which technically belonged to Warner Brothers (via the Ralph Bakshi animated adaptations of the late 70's and early 80's)


It's more confusing than that, even. Rankin-Bass did The Hobbit (and Return of the King). Bakshi did "Lord of the Rings" which was Fellowship and half of The Two Towers.
 
2012-11-20 11:48:03 AM
I won about $80 on one of those. It was pretty fun to have a buzz on and have the machine kept on say, "YOU SHALL NOT PASS".
 
2012-11-20 11:58:12 AM

GungFu: Thank Gandalf the rights are well looked after.

I thought the film on the right was the Jackson production and had a big black Bilbo carrying a big stick. 

[www.themarysue.com image 565x318]


Indeed!
 
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