Sgygus: calling for an international treaty outlawing military weapons systems that decide - without a human "in the loop" - when to pull the triggerThis is quite prudent. Machines are not capable of being responsible. Humans are.
dragonchild: As a drama that was a good episode, but I'm in reality here.
dragonchild: way south: I think there is a difference because we have a certain level of expectation from humans and they can usually explain their reasoning.That reasoning is usually, "I was just following orders." Robots controlled by programs don't scare me half as much as humans programmed by political agendas.
Lunaville: dragonchild: Humans do that already. If you're concerned about civilian casualties then don't get into a farking war to begin with.Here we have the best idea that will ever be posted in this thread. Thank-you, dragonchild.
dragonchild: Humans do that already. If you're concerned about civilian casualties then don't get into a farking war to begin with
dragonchild: I'll take it. Robots don't get bored; they don't get traumatized; they don't get fatigued; they don't require rescue. If a soldier (or a small group thereof) is cut off, command is faced with a very difficult choice over whether to order a rescue or just tell them "good luck". Makes for good drama in fiction, but in reality it's a brutally pragmatic call where the soldiers are left to their own fate if the cost in resources is too high. If a robot is cut off and surrounded, it can just go apeshiat before self-destructing. And as others say, they're not going to go off-mission to commit some recreational atrocities, flee in panic or desert entirely, take or give a bribe. It's not a big deal if a robot's arm gets blown off. Robots don't care to be home for the holidays. They don't have kids back home. You don't even need to bring them back at all.
dragonchild: If a robot is cut off and surrounded, it can just go apeshiat before self-destructing.
Vaneshi: Dracolich: tl;dr: We already had unquestioning soldiers.When a soldier pulls the trigger he or she is intrinsically aware that if they shoot the wrong thing then 'bad things' will happen to them. This provides an impetus to make damn sure what you are shooting at is in fact an enemy.When a machine pulls the trigger... who's responsible? It screws up and who's to blame?
way south: Assuming you could distinguish aircraft with absolute accuracy, and you write your drone to ignore a foreign 737 entering your airspace, it might ignore a 737 flown by suicided bombers or even an armed 737 acting as a missile boat.
Jim_Callahan: In some ways, robotic defense systems are a human rights improvement over corruptible human soldiers.
mamoru: You want to deploy a machine that cannot take responsibility for who it shoots? Then you take responsibility for who it shoots.
Jim_Callahan: Kind of arguable. Machines also aren't capable of going off the reservation and making bad decisions. Humans are.
Jim_Callahan: Sgygus: calling for an international treaty outlawing military weapons systems that decide - without a human "in the loop" - when to pull the triggerThis is quite prudent. Machines are not capable of being responsible. Humans are.Kind of arguable. Machines also aren't capable of going off the reservation and making bad decisions. Humans are.In some ways, robotic defense systems are a human rights improvement over corruptible human soldiers.//Also, for the obvious historical reference, consider that international law following WW1 banned the use of aircraft as weapon platforms of any kind. Look up how long that lasted for an idea of how long we can keep auto systems a high schooler could build given sufficient money off the battleground.
Sgygus: This is quite prudent. Machines are not capable of being responsible. Humans are.
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