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(Huffington Post)   It looks like Missouri may join Kansas in the race to become the Mississippi of the Midwest   (huffingtonpost.com) divider line 77
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2012-11-19 03:27:15 PM
Let them. Once both Kansas and Missouri go completely bankrupt and their education systems fall behind Texas, maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will realize that the teabaggers running their legislatures are f*cking idiots who know absolutely nothing about competent governance and vote them the hell out.

Of course, it will probably be too late, but screw Kansas AND Missouri.

/born in Missouri
//not raised there
 
2012-11-19 04:13:18 PM
Rex needs a hobby. Not a dork hobby, like that chess thing. A real hobby. He needs to buy the Rams.
 
2012-11-19 04:38:27 PM
Fake-republican's do not think about anything but their own pocketbook and their ironic comprehension of wealthy american Jesus? You don't say?

And, "Let them" is the worst possible option. As someone who had "Nuke Texas" scrawled on my high school backpack, I have come to the conclusion that America must be united in the war against ignorance and stupidity. We cannot let Kansas and Missouri go stupid without a fight, at least.
 
2012-11-19 04:51:29 PM
Don't write off Wisconsin. The derp level starting with the Jan 2013 session is likely to be astronomical.
 
2012-11-19 04:53:11 PM

tnpir: Let them. Once both Kansas and Missouri go completely bankrupt and their education systems fall behind Texas, maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will realize that the teabaggers running their legislatures are f*cking idiots who know absolutely nothing about competent governance and vote them the hell out.

Of course, it will probably be too late, but screw Kansas AND Missouri.

/born in Missouri
//not raised there


Texas hasn't figured it out yet and they're as dumb as Texas.
 
2012-11-19 04:54:19 PM
Tax competition is net negative for states and localities, but it is conceivable that a single state could become a tax haven and attract so many firms to relocate that it could increase employment. What is not conceivable, due to the "fallacy of composition," is that many States could follow the same strategy and "succeed." Any state successes would come at the expense of other states.

Republicans simply don't understand this logic. They're even stuck on the idea that everyone who is poor should just work harder and then everyone can be rich.
 
2012-11-19 04:54:38 PM
Is Rex Sinquefield behind it?

*reads article and linked articles*

SURPRISE!
 
2012-11-19 04:55:04 PM
I can hear the argument between tea partiers of the two states now"

"Yur a liberul!!!!!!"
"No, YOUR Liberaul!"
 
2012-11-19 04:55:57 PM
In it's way, the Confederacy is rising again...geographically...like a cancer eating at the marrow.
 
2012-11-19 04:58:08 PM
That headline

i.chzbgr.com
 
2012-11-19 05:01:28 PM

tnpir: Let them. Once both Kansas and Missouri go completely bankrupt and their education systems fall behind Texas, maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will realize that the teabaggers running their legislatures are f*cking idiots who know absolutely nothing about competent governance and vote them the hell out.

Of course, it will probably be too late, but screw Kansas AND Missouri.

/born in Missouri
//not raised there


And what about people living in college towns like Lawrence? They should just have to GTFO and abandon the state to the derp brigades?

/rock chalk
 
2012-11-19 05:02:58 PM

jonasborg: Don't write off Wisconsin. The derp level starting with the Jan 2013 session is likely to be astronomical.


I heard that Walker et al want to go after the public pension plans now that they have reelection. Going to be a derpfest in the middle of Madison.
 
2012-11-19 05:06:36 PM
Oh no, there will be an exodus of parasites and illegals moving across the river to Illinois. What will Missouri do then? Besides flourish in a utopian wonderland, I mean.
 
2012-11-19 05:07:25 PM
I wouldn't count on this happening, at least not very quickly.

As the article says, unlike Kansas, Missouri is a purple state. There's quite a bit of derp in the southern part of MO, but KC, StL, and to a lesser extent Columbia (thank god for college students) help keep the state somewhat grounded, unlike Kansas, which is red almost throughout.
 
2012-11-19 05:07:34 PM

tnpir: Let them. Once both Kansas and Missouri go completely bankrupt and their education systems fall behind Texas, maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will realize that the teabaggers running their legislatures are f*cking idiots who know absolutely nothing about competent governance and vote them the hell out.

Of course, it will probably be too late, but screw Kansas AND Missouri.

/born in Missouri
//not raised there


That's the problem; they won't learn the lesson. They'll just claim that it's all Obama's fault / the Liberals or they weren't conservative enough.
 
2012-11-19 05:07:55 PM

undflickertail: jonasborg: Don't write off Wisconsin. The derp level starting with the Jan 2013 session is likely to be astronomical.

I heard that Walker et al want to go after the public pension plans now that they have reelection. Going to be a derpfest in the middle of Madison.


Can't wait for him to run for President in a few years. Oh yes America....its coming to a tv near you.
 
2012-11-19 05:08:05 PM
There's also the fact that a lot of Missourians hate Kansas, and threfore if Kansas does something, its a stupid idea.
 
2012-11-19 05:08:14 PM
Wow. I thought Texas' constitutional balanced-budget amendment was hardcore, but even we aren't dumb enough to actively cut revenues at the same time we're experimenting with program funding changes.

Gosling: Texas hasn't figured it out yet and they're as dumb as Texas.


Actually, Texas is still run mostly by corporatist variants of the parties, for the most part. The big exception being Ted Cruz that just got elected to the US senate... which isn't going to end well, but whatever, you can't win 'em all. Anyhow, most of our incumbents managed to resist primary challenges, or at least enough of them that the real crazies in the state legislature are largely recognized as just that, crazies, by the rest of 'em.
 
2012-11-19 05:11:37 PM

undflickertail: jonasborg: Don't write off Wisconsin. The derp level starting with the Jan 2013 session is likely to be astronomical.

I heard that Walker et al want to go after the public pension plans now that they have reelection. Going to be a derpfest in the middle of Madison.


I'm moving to the Tomah area next spring. That oughta send the Wisconsin derp level to derpfinity!
 
2012-11-19 05:11:53 PM

undflickertail: jonasborg: Don't write off Wisconsin. The derp level starting with the Jan 2013 session is likely to be astronomical.

I heard that Walker et al want to go after the public pension plans now that they have reelection. Going to be a derpfest in the middle of Madison.


They're planning on making it a criminal offense to help implement Obamacare.
 
2012-11-19 05:13:22 PM

tnpir: Let them. Once both Kansas and Missouri go completely bankrupt and their education systems fall behind Texas, maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will realize that the teabaggers running their legislatures are f*cking idiots who know absolutely nothing about competent governance and vote them the hell out.


Not familiar with Dunning-Kroeger, are you?
 
2012-11-19 05:18:06 PM

tnpir: Let them. Once both Kansas and Missouri go completely bankrupt and their education systems fall behind Texas, maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will realize that the teabaggers running their legislatures are f*cking idiots who know absolutely nothing about competent governance and vote them the hell out.

Of course, it will probably be too late, but screw Kansas AND Missouri.


How about no? Why should Missouri and my extended family commit suicide just because one billionaire wants tax cuts? We as a nation tried the "Let them fark themselves so we can put in a better system" during the Bush years and guess what? IT DIDN'T WORK. We'll be paying for that philosophy for the next three generations.

Kansas has been pulling this crap for decades. It isn't just about Republican fiscal policy, it's an extension of the Border War. Anything that hurts Missouri is justified even if it means that businesses are shuffled around the KC metro area without creating any significant new ones. If Missouri is smart, they'll provide a counterpoint. Kansas is already in a deep hole and are losing jobs to Oklahoma and Texas. Their universities are in trouble and their vaunted Johnson County school district is under the ax as well. If Missouri played their cards right and created an environment attractive to a large swath of people and not just a few billionaires, you would see business and population shifts back into Missouri. Wouldn't that be better than "screw Kansas AND Missouri"?
 
2012-11-19 05:18:36 PM
I got a kick out of his usage of the term infra-red to describe those regressive states. That said, I'm quite looking forward to Thanksgiving dinner with my radio grandparents.
 
2012-11-19 05:20:16 PM
The Mississippi of the midwest is going to be Indiana. Mike Pence has a super majority of wack jobs. And the next couple of years should be very interesting after they destroyed both public and private sector unions while turning our eduction system into a voucher system..  It's gonna be full bore crazy.
 
2012-11-19 05:22:50 PM
it is conceivable that a single state could become a tax haven and attract so many firms to relocate that it could increase employment. What is not conceivable, due to the "fallacy of composition," is that many States could follow the same strategy and "succeed." Any state successes would come at the expense of other states.

He contradicts his "suicide pact" claim by saying it could succeed. And since there are plenty of blue states remaining, there are plenty of states to take the expense of the strategy, and those states become bluer and bluer because of the parasite exodus in the deep red states making it increasing impossible that they will have the possibility of adopting the same policy.

When the big split comes, you'll want your Democrat-types already relocated in the blue states to avoid any ugliness.
 
2012-11-19 05:23:35 PM

Mentat: tnpir: Let them. Once both Kansas and Missouri go completely bankrupt and their education systems fall behind Texas, maybe, JUST MAYBE, people will realize that the teabaggers running their legislatures are f*cking idiots who know absolutely nothing about competent governance and vote them the hell out.

Of course, it will probably be too late, but screw Kansas AND Missouri.

How about no? Why should Missouri and my extended family commit suicide just because one billionaire wants tax cuts? We as a nation tried the "Let them fark themselves so we can put in a better system" during the Bush years and guess what? IT DIDN'T WORK. We'll be paying for that philosophy for the next three generations.

Kansas has been pulling this crap for decades. It isn't just about Republican fiscal policy, it's an extension of the Border War. Anything that hurts Missouri is justified even if it means that businesses are shuffled around the KC metro area without creating any significant new ones. If Missouri is smart, they'll provide a counterpoint. Kansas is already in a deep hole and are losing jobs to Oklahoma and Texas. Their universities are in trouble and their vaunted Johnson County school district is under the ax as well. If Missouri played their cards right and created an environment attractive to a large swath of people and not just a few billionaires, you would see business and population shifts back into Missouri. Wouldn't that be better than "screw Kansas AND Missouri"?


Nah man, if we're going down we're taking you bushwhacking bastards down with us.

/got my beecher's bible
//and my broadsword
///come at me bro
 
2012-11-19 05:24:05 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Oh no, there will be an exodus of parasites and illegals moving across the river to Illinois. What will Missouri do then? Besides flourish in a utopian wonderland, I mean.


I know that you are retarded, but try to follow along.

The only reason Kansas had any success was because they sucked most of the white's out of Kansas Citt (missouri) back in the 60/70/80s. They hoped over the border looking for good schools filled with white children. Kansas schools have been withering for a while now due to budget cuts, the cuts to income taxes will pretty much finish them off. And then all of the upper middle class families will leave? 6% income taxes on 200k of income will be $12k without any deductions while private schools start around $15k per year for tuition. State income taxes really aren't that much when you compare them to the costs they create when cut.
 
2012-11-19 05:36:50 PM

madgonad: Noam Chimpsky: Oh no, there will be an exodus of parasites and illegals moving across the river to Illinois. What will Missouri do then? Besides flourish in a utopian wonderland, I mean.

I know that you are retarded, but try to follow along.

The only reason Kansas had any success was because they sucked most of the white's out of Kansas Citt (missouri) back in the 60/70/80s. They hoped over the border looking for good schools filled with white children. Kansas schools have been withering for a while now due to budget cuts, the cuts to income taxes will pretty much finish them off. And then all of the upper middle class families will leave? 6% income taxes on 200k of income will be $12k without any deductions while private schools start around $15k per year for tuition. State income taxes really aren't that much when you compare them to the costs they create when cut.


Sounds like there will be a market opening there for private schools. Families can afford good ones after you are employed in good jobs from the businesses you brought there with your low tax policy. The best teachers will be moving to Kansas because If you take it to its conclusion, all the public school teachers would leave the red states and move to the blue states so you'd have a glut of teachers which should bring down the wages of public school teachers in blue states, especially since their businesses and rich folk have abandoned those states. A teacher who wants to be paid well will move to the private schools and Kansas et al will get the pick of the litter.
 
2012-11-19 05:38:10 PM
Mississippi? We're not doing that stupid chit here. Other stupid stuff, yes, but not that.

/yes, I know that's hard to believe
 
2012-11-19 05:40:25 PM

Jim_Callahan: Wow. I thought Texas' constitutional balanced-budget amendment was hardcore, but even we aren't dumb enough to actively cut revenues at the same time we're experimenting with program funding changes.

Gosling: Texas hasn't figured it out yet and they're as dumb as Texas.

Actually, Texas is still run mostly by corporatist variants of the parties, for the most part. The big exception being Ted Cruz that just got elected to the US senate... which isn't going to end well, but whatever, you can't win 'em all. Anyhow, most of our incumbents managed to resist primary challenges, or at least enough of them that the real crazies in the state legislature are largely recognized as just that, crazies, by the rest of 'em.


Yeah, the big push this year is to follow Florida in the drug testing of all aid recipients.

'of course, Perry is finally off the pain meds he was hooked on during the Republican Primaries.
 
2012-11-19 05:46:45 PM

elchip: Is Rex Sinquefield behind it?

*reads article and linked articles*

SURPRISE!


Because destroying St. Louis wasn't enough for him.

/exaggeration
 
2012-11-19 05:47:48 PM

Noam Chimpsky: it is conceivable that a single state could become a tax haven and attract so many firms to relocate that it could increase employment. What is not conceivable, due to the "fallacy of composition," is that many States could follow the same strategy and "succeed." Any state successes would come at the expense of other states.

He contradicts his "suicide pact" claim by saying it could succeed. And since there are plenty of blue states remaining, there are plenty of states to take the expense of the strategy, and those states become bluer and bluer because of the parasite exodus in the deep red states making it increasing impossible that they will have the possibility of adopting the same policy.

When the big split comes, you'll want your Democrat-types already relocated in the blue states to avoid any ugliness.


Skookum did this character type better.
 
2012-11-19 05:48:46 PM

pickle65: I wouldn't count on this happening, at least not very quickly.

As the article says, unlike Kansas, Missouri is a purple state. There's quite a bit of derp in the southern part of MO, but KC, StL, and to a lesser extent Columbia (thank god for college students) help keep the state somewhat grounded, unlike Kansas, which is red almost throughout.


Yeah, as the election of Clare McCaskill proved, Missourians can only take so much crazy from the right.

Rex Sinquefield and his ideology is pretty much the limit of most Missourians I think.
 
2012-11-19 05:50:13 PM
Sorry guys. I vote a straight Dem ticket, but one voter against mouth-breathing hordes of Deer Chili eaters is a losing battle.
 
2012-11-19 05:58:15 PM

one small post for man: Nah man, if we're going down we're taking you bushwhacking bastards down with us.

/got my beecher's bible
//and my broadsword
///come at me bro


Bring it Red Leg.

img818.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-19 06:02:43 PM
Dafuq? okay its time to round up the tea baggers and nuke them from orbit.

/its the only way to be sure.
 
2012-11-19 06:05:03 PM

Hagbardr: Skookum did this character type better.


12 year olds do that type of character better
 
2012-11-19 06:06:09 PM
Don't blame me, I voted for Lizard People.
 
2012-11-19 06:10:05 PM
I think one of the newer tactics of the derpright is to eliminate taxes on businesses to draw business into the state, painting other states as soshulist nightmares. So the companies come, they create jobs alright, but they pay no property taxes at all. All those workers need schools. Schools are funded by property taxes. So if the businesses aren't paying them, clearly, it's their employees who have to do it. They keep shooting down referendums on higher taxes for them, when they know that Megacorp pays diddly. So a funding gap grows.

Then along comes a Great Recession, and now suddenly you have derpproof that teacher's unions are truly, truly, the most villainous, truly, threat to our liberty ever, truly.

The next step is to go from not charging taxes, to actually handing out cash gifts to the "job creators" and do the whole thing over again. People with a lick of sense move somewhere else. What is left is the cadre of fenceposts who will listen to any level of derp. "If'n we'd get off the backs of these here job creators, an' let 'em git on wit' there legitimate rapin', why's we'd have us a hootenanny, yessir. Goldurn teachers done stole away everything I got. Gotta do SUMPIN' to tell 'em what's what."
 
2012-11-19 06:10:48 PM

mcreadyblue: Yeah, the big push this year is to follow Florida in the drug testing of all aid recipients.

'of course, Perry is finally off the pain meds he was hooked on during the Republican Primaries.


Eh, Perry was an ass and not too bright before the primaries, and I assume he'll continue.

I'm just saying he's a stupid, corrupt corporatist Republican, representing the party machine. He's not the person I'd pick for the job, but he's not one of the outright insane TP people, he has deals and interests tying him down that keep him at least fairly stable... to the extent that it matters, given he can't actually really do anything as governor. It's Dewhurst I tend to keep my eye on, he's got the job that actually has a vote on things and so on.

//For those fortunate enough to not know about Texas' politics, following reconstruction we saw the incoming carpetbaggers and specifically amended the constitution to deprive the governor of any meaningful power. He can't appoint any official without a 2/3 state congress majority, and he can't even pardon death row inmates without advance permission from the legislature-appointed board of pardons and paroles. The governor's entire job is to keep his yob shut and not make us look bad-- two things Perry sucks at, but it happens.
 
2012-11-19 06:22:17 PM

Noam Chimpsky: Sounds like there will be a market opening there for private schools. Families can afford good ones after you are employed in good jobs from the businesses you brought there with your low tax policy. The best teachers will be moving to Kansas because If you take it to its conclusion, all the public school teachers would leave the red states and move to the blue states so you'd have a glut of teachers which should bring down the wages of public school teachers in blue states, especially since their businesses and rich folk have abandoned those states. A teacher who wants to be paid well will move to the private schools and Kansas et al will get the pick of the litter.


So your solution for education in Kansas is that everyone can use their new non-union, low-wage jobs to pay for private schooling for their kids? What happens to the vast majority of the kids who can't afford private schooling? You just got done gutting the public school system of funding and good teachers, remember? Republican utopias really suck if you're not rich. I suppose that's the point.
 
2012-11-19 06:37:22 PM

Noam Chimpsky: I'm moving to the Tomah area next spring. That oughta send the Wisconsin derp level to derpfinity!


Woof, who did you kill to earn that punishment?

/Grew up across the line in Juneau County
//Do yourself a favor and avoid it like the Plague.
 
2012-11-19 06:54:25 PM

DarnoKonrad: The Mississippi of the midwest is going to be Indiana. Mike Pence has a super majority of wack jobs. And the next couple of years should be very interesting after they destroyed both public and private sector unions while turning our eduction system into a voucher system..  It's gonna be full bore crazy.


Trust me, if voters in Minnesota had elected the Republican gubernatorial candidate in 2010, the name Scott Walker wouldn't have been uttered in the MSM.  We were | | this close to complete tea-bagger take-over.
 
2012-11-19 07:05:04 PM

sabreWulf07: Noam Chimpsky: Sounds like there will be a market opening there for private schools. Families can afford good ones after you are employed in good jobs from the businesses you brought there with your low tax policy. The best teachers will be moving to Kansas because If you take it to its conclusion, all the public school teachers would leave the red states and move to the blue states so you'd have a glut of teachers which should bring down the wages of public school teachers in blue states, especially since their businesses and rich folk have abandoned those states. A teacher who wants to be paid well will move to the private schools and Kansas et al will get the pick of the litter.

So your solution for education in Kansas is that everyone can use their new non-union, low-wage jobs to pay for private schooling for their kids? What happens to the vast majority of the kids who can't afford private schooling? You just got done gutting the public school system of funding and good teachers, remember? Republican utopias really suck if you're not rich. I suppose that's the point.


Pure and simple: Vouchers

Why so much fear of state experiments and love for uniformity? Evolution doesn't happen with uniformity. Kansas is on the cutting edge of evolution.
 
2012-11-19 07:06:52 PM
Guess I should Photoshop one of these for Missouri too.

i677.photobucket.com
 
2012-11-19 07:07:24 PM
Don't want to give up hope on Missouri just yet - Having KC, StL and Columbia representing over half (what, 3-4 million of a total 6 million) of the state's population helps, but damn those Tea Partiers are annoying in how they polarize the political scene.

You don't want to give up on the same state that decided it would rather elect a dead Democrat rather than John Ashcroft, do ya?

Here's the thing with Kansas - there are only two "blue" counties in Kansas, Johnson County and Douglas County.

Johnson county is the home to the KCMO suburbs previously mentioned - one of the big benefactors of white flight from the city center, and where a lot of the rich from KC have gone. It is also, not surprisingly, the richest county in Kansas, by a wide margin. They vote Democrat a lot.

Douglas county is home to Lawrence, KS, and Kansas University, a city that is 1/3 college students, 1/3 rednecks, and 1/3 weird. It too tends to vote Democrat. It isn't very rich at all.

Everything else? Red. And not rich. In other words, there's not much hope for the state politically. Tea party has their claws in, and aren't letting go. It doesn't help that the Phelps' go and make the TPers look sane.

But as for schools? The only ones sending their kids to private school are in Johnson County already. And the reason JoCo has good public schools is because the rich in JoCo have brought up property values so much, and even those who send their kids to private school see that good public schools raises their property value even more. It's pretty much a self funded thing. Nearby Emporia State Univ. is one of the better schools to train teachers in the US, and they all hope to get jobs in JoCo. The current Kansas legislature is set to bring that all crashing down, but at least JoCo is going to fight the rest of the state in the destruction of their school district (has been for some time in fact). So, maybe a little hope there.
 
2012-11-19 07:13:49 PM
Oh goody, I get to use this one again.

imageshack.us

But what do I do with Missouri?
 
2012-11-19 07:16:18 PM

ReverendLoki: Don't want to give up hope on Missouri just yet - Having KC, StL and Columbia representing over half (what, 3-4 million of a total 6 million) of the state's population helps, but damn those Tea Partiers are annoying in how they polarize the political scene.

You don't want to give up on the same state that decided it would rather elect a dead Democrat rather than John Ashcroft, do ya?

Here's the thing with Kansas - there are only two "blue" counties in Kansas, Johnson County and Douglas County.

Johnson county is the home to the KCMO suburbs previously mentioned - one of the big benefactors of white flight from the city center, and where a lot of the rich from KC have gone. It is also, not surprisingly, the richest county in Kansas, by a wide margin. They vote Democrat a lot.

Douglas county is home to Lawrence, KS, and Kansas University, a city that is 1/3 college students, 1/3 rednecks, and 1/3 weird. It too tends to vote Democrat. It isn't very rich at all.

Everything else? Red. And not rich. In other words, there's not much hope for the state politically. Tea party has their claws in, and aren't letting go. It doesn't help that the Phelps' go and make the TPers look sane.

But as for schools? The only ones sending their kids to private school are in Johnson County already. And the reason JoCo has good public schools is because the rich in JoCo have brought up property values so much, and even those who send their kids to private school see that good public schools raises their property value even more. It's pretty much a self funded thing. Nearby Emporia State Univ. is one of the better schools to train teachers in the US, and they all hope to get jobs in JoCo. The current Kansas legislature is set to bring that all crashing down, but at least JoCo is going to fight the rest of the state in the destruction of their school district (has been for some time in fact). So, maybe a little hope there.


Romney won JoCo 57% to 40%, and something like 21 of 22 state legislators from JoCo districts are Republican. Not RINOs, either. Full on retards.
 
2012-11-19 07:20:07 PM
As a Missourian, I can't fathom why we would reduce the tax base further. We're already a low-tax state and if that isn't 'pro-business' I don't see how turning the state into Haiti will encourage growth.

/Came in looking for a Josey Wales reference, see it's been covered
//Also, Mentat is farkied 'Great anti-Kansas Rant' for an epic sports tab throwdown
 
2012-11-19 07:40:31 PM
any state that bans strip clubs deserves to be Kansas East

other than an annual trip down to rockport for fireworks I avoid misery as much as possible

/should still take kids to worlds of fun and arthur bryan's though...
 
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