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2012-11-19 09:40:13 PM
Goodbye horses....
 
2012-11-19 09:51:20 PM
Well, I guess that the standard disclaimer, "No animals were harmed or injured during the making of this movie" will be missing from this film.
 
2012-11-19 09:55:55 PM
Eh, given that people used to die regularly during the making of the big epics of the 50s and 60s, I'm not really bothered that a few chickens got choked.
 
2012-11-19 10:21:53 PM

AntonChigger: ConConHead: moothemagiccow: Horses, goats, chickens and sheep

This is going to be the worst adaptation of all time. Remember that bit where Bilbo and the gang visited a petting zoo? No? Well it's in the movie anyway.

Yeah, cause no Hobbit in their right mind would dare keep livestock on their farm. WTF is up with all these changes for the sake of the cinema?!

Really? Worst of all time? Grow up bro


You're right, no one can top the Two Towers
 
2012-11-19 10:25:10 PM
Holy misplaced apostrophe.
 
2012-11-19 10:47:45 PM
Bah. The old world will burn in the fires of industry.
 
2012-11-19 10:54:39 PM

jimw: Well, I guess that the standard disclaimer, "No animals were harmed or injured during the making of this movie" will be missing from this film.


Read the article. That's still the truth. They died on farms not in filming or on any set. It will likely still be there. I'm going to be looking for it though to see if they still put it there.
 
2012-11-19 11:14:02 PM

TeDDD: So, wait, the animals kept falling into the sinkholes?
Were they stabling blind horses?


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2012-11-19 11:18:49 PM

AdolfOliverPanties: Peter Jackson sez:

The producers completely reject the accusations that twenty seven animals died due to mistreatment during the making of the films. Extraordinary measures were taken to make sure that animals were not used during action sequences or any other sequence that might create undue stress for the animals involved. Over fifty five per cent of all shots using animals in The Hobbit are in fact computer generated; this includes horses, ponies, rabbits, hedgehogs, birds, deer, elk, mice, wild boars, and wolves.

The American Humane Association (AHA) was on hand to monitor all use of animals by the production. No animals died or were harmed on set during filming.

We regret that some of these accusations by wranglers who were dismissed from the film over a year ago are only now being brought to our attention.


Wasn't the AHA also the ones working on that HBO shoe where the horses died? They don't seem to have a good track record lately. Oh well, I guess dinner was served.
 
2012-11-19 11:38:33 PM

lalolalona: Hot Carl To Go: I really love animals and this sucks.

However the truth is that the director could walk into my house, slap my wife, shiat on the floor, and kick my dogs on the way out and I would still pay to see the Hobbit.

Pretty much this.


Same here.
 
2012-11-19 11:41:08 PM

stoli n coke: Eh, given that people used to die regularly during the making of the big epics of the 50s and 60s, I'm not really bothered that a few chickens got choked.


I see what you did there.
 
2012-11-19 11:44:25 PM
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Too soon?

I need more facts before i get too outraged. Is this common?
 
2012-11-19 11:54:54 PM

brandent: jimw: Well, I guess that the standard disclaimer, "No animals were harmed or injured during the making of this movie" will be missing from this film.

Read the article. That's still the truth. They died on farms not in filming or on any set. It will likely still be there. I'm going to be looking for it though to see if they still put it there.


I always got the impression most animals are owned and maintained by the trainers and therefore it would their responsibility to see them safe off set, not the production's. Surely this is a matter addressed in the contract with whomever they are renting the animals from? Productions don't usually just flat out buy a bunch of animals, do they? I actually don't know, maybe the do sometimes.

Anyway, sheep died? Oh noes! Do you know how many sheep die just from unseasonable weather in a year in NZ? It seems like a year doesn't go by that farmers aren't whining because half their lambs died because it snowed early and once again they haven't provided any shelter in the lambing paddocks.

As for sheep and goats dying because of rough terrain. Are they... are they serious? Do they know where sheep and goats normally live? Do they think farm paddocks are normally like a football field, all smooth and perfect? Have they seen a goat run up a cliff face? Have the seen the high paddocks sheep get left alone in for weeks at a time?

I don't have too much to do with horses, but I would have thought they knew not to step off cliffs. Maybe not, they're pretty dumb as far as animals go. We have wild horses in New Zealand, who's keeping them away from cliffs?

It's definitely important to take care of animals in film productions and they should be housed humanely. But this comes off as another case of PETA being a bunch of ignorant city dwellers looking for a story to beat up in the media.
 
2012-11-19 11:55:40 PM

cryinoutloud: TeDDD: So, wait, the animals kept falling into the sinkholes?
Were they stabling blind horses?

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Love the look on the horse's face. Like, "guys, do you think we could just keep this little incident between us?"
 
2012-11-20 12:01:08 AM
Oh, there's an AP article linked right in THIS article which gives a rough breakdown of what died and how. Two horses fell off things, one horse died of either a blood clot or exploded insides, six sheep and goats fell off things, got worms, or got bad feed, and a dozen chickens were mauled by dogs.

Wait... that's only 20 or 21 animals. Was it six sheep and six goats? Bah, I don't want to reread it, someone else find out.
 
2012-11-20 12:03:32 AM

TeDDD: Oh, there's an AP article linked right in THIS article which gives a rough breakdown of what died and how. Two horses fell off things, one horse died of either a blood clot or exploded insides, six sheep and goats fell off things, got worms, or got bad feed, and a dozen chickens were mauled by dogs.

Wait... that's only 20 or 21 animals. Was it six sheep and six goats? Bah, I don't want to reread it, someone else find out.


A hedgehog was also killed.
 
2012-11-20 12:14:05 AM
That's going to take some of the fun out of the film for me. The horse wrangler sounded like an idiot though, "horses need to be...on flat land." Um, no. They aren't mountain goats, but they are perfectly capable of negotiating plenty of terrain that is the exact opposite of flat.

It sounds like the "farm" where the animals were housed was the problem and that most of the problems were preventable.
 
2012-11-20 12:21:43 AM

Fano: A hedgehog was also killed.


Well he was asking for it!
 
2012-11-20 12:43:15 AM
Anlmals' subby, animals' living spaces. Plural possessive puts the apostrophe after the 'S'.
 
2012-11-20 12:45:30 AM

MrHappyRotter: The animals aren't dead. They're just sleeping.


No, they are "pining for the fjords", beautiful plumage.
 
2012-11-20 12:51:29 AM
So the animals died on farms and PETA is pulling their usual bullshiat? Not surprising. of course, they want you to believe that somehow the animals were killed by the movie crews personally, when in reality, the people contracted to take care of the animals weren't doing their jobs.

A wrangler says after one horse broke its back running on the rocky terrain, and another sliced open its leg on a broken fence, he quit the production and wrote a letter of his concerns.

Yeah, we definitely need to protest the MOVIE because of this one. They obviously put the broken fence there.

So farking tired of PETA. Just like the Tea Party, they took a good core idea and twisted it to be a massive pile of bullshiat. Only real difference is that the Tea Party has to have set some kind of speed record. I think PETA took a few years to start doing their shiat just for the attention.
 
2012-11-20 12:54:17 AM
I read that as saying a horse cut it's leg on a barbed wire fence, quit the production, and then wrote a letter about his concerns.
 
2012-11-20 01:06:08 AM
The people protesting this want all animals to be set free.

to live in the wild. Where the landscape is unpredictable and they will fall down things, be eaten by predators and die of illnesses at a massively higher rate.
 
2012-11-20 01:17:07 AM
No giant sentient eagles, dragons, worgs, giant sentient spiders, or stone trolls were harmed in the making of this picture.


/Poor Ian McKellan, however, broke his leg and had to be put down.
 
2012-11-20 02:03:18 AM

baka-san: Horses, goats, chickens and sheep died on the farms

Ok, how many of the 27 where chickens, cause they don't count.

Wranglers have now come forward to claim they warned the production about the treacherous terrain, but were rebuffed.

Who in the production? Who of the thousands of people who work on a production of this size directly or indirectly? Bankers? Gaffers? Who?

Article is a little slim on details.


Typically, when referring to "Production", it's Executive Producer, Line Producer Production Manager and sometimes the AD's are also considered "Production". The rest - Gaffers, Grips, Cameramen, etc - are referred to by their individual departments. In this case, I would think the AD's, Line Producer and or PM were the production people informed as they would be the ones responsible for getting the problem fixed.

\\why yes I work in the business, why do you ask???
 
2012-11-20 02:06:49 AM
PETA is pretesting the deaths of 27 animals?!?!?

They kill THOUSANDS of animals every year. Why aren't they protesting themselves?

There is no bigger group of hypocrites than PETA members.
 
2012-11-20 02:08:24 AM

gaspode: The people protesting this want all animals to be set free.


No, they don't. They are farking HAPPY to kill animals.


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PETA=SCUM
 
2012-11-20 02:21:33 AM

Blue_Blazer: [25.media.tumblr.com image 300x232]

Too soon?

I need more facts before i get too outraged. Is this common?


Without knowing more about you it is hard to tell. Do you often need to be fully informed before you get outraged? If so, it's common with you.

However, many people get outraged with very few facts and the more they learn the less outraged they tend to get. In that sense, no it is not common.
 
2012-11-20 02:25:16 AM
Meh.

It's not like scores of animals don't die every day.

And for our pleasure? Even better!

Thanksgiving turkey anybody?
 
2012-11-20 02:37:43 AM

TeDDD: Oh, there's an AP article linked right in THIS article which gives a rough breakdown of what died and how. Two horses fell off things, one horse died of either a blood clot or exploded insides, six sheep and goats fell off things, got worms, or got bad feed, and a dozen chickens were mauled by dogs.

Wait... that's only 20 or 21 animals. Was it six sheep and six goats? Bah, I don't want to reread it, someone else find out.


"Fell off" things? WTF? Were they filming on the sides of skyscrapers or something? OK, so we know that at least one horse fell into a sinkhole, which on this kind of shoot is hardly surprising; and it's not unlikely that in NEW ZEALAND (sheep capitol of the world) a few sheep and goats would fall or eat bad food. I mean, it's sad but not shocking. And the dogs got a few chickens; call me when dogs DON'T run the chickens on farms all over the world.

Yes, it's very sad that a few animals got killed. They essentially had a good-sized farm going here, people. Animals often die on farms. PETA would be horrified at how many animals often die every single day, even all by themselves out in nature. I hear some even get eaten by other animals. It's appalling.
 
2012-11-20 03:01:16 AM
STATEMENT FROM PETER JACKSON & THE PRODUCERS OF THE HOBBIT

The Hobbit production has always instituted swift and immediate investigations in to any concerns of any kind over the treatment of animals under its care.

A prompt and thorough investigation into the recent unsubstantiated allegations by the American organisation, PETA, in to the 'hobbling' of a horse during the making of The Hobbit was undertaken.

No evidence of such a practice was found to have occurred at any time. Further, the production contacted the owner of the horse concerned who provided the following statement:

"I am 100% happy with the return of Shanghai and his condition. In the term that he was leased he was picked up and returned to me two times. On both occasions there was not a mark on him and he was healthy and happy. He has shown no signs of ill-treatment. I would not hesitate in leasing him to the movie again."

To date, the only horse wranglers whose treatment of animals fell below the production's standard of care seem to be the two wranglers who have chosen to level this new accusation on the eve of the premiere of the first Hobbit film and who were dismissed by the production over a year ago. Reports of their actions are documented in several written statements dating back to October 2011.

The production regrets that PETA has chosen to make such a serious accusation, which has distressed many of the dedicated Kiwis who worked with animals on the films - including trainers, wranglers, care-givers, farm workers and animal health care professionals - without properly vetting the source from which they received this information.

The production has been inundated with calls of support as regards to this matter, including the following statements:

FROM: DR JULIA BRYCE BVSc

"From December 2010 till July 2012, this practice was the primary Veterinary care giver for the horses and livestock in the care of 'Three Foot Seven'.

"During this period we were consulted promptly in cases of injury and illness. We were also consulted routinely about ongoing veterinary care and preventative medicine.

"If referral was required to a specialist clinic or Massey Equine Clinic, this occurred promptly. As occurs in normal practice there are incidences and injury which may result in an unfavourable outcome and others that recover completely; like the young goat who fractured a front leg but recovered completely after 6 weeks in a cast and hospital rest, or the rooster who spent two weeks at our clinic with a foot infection.

"These and other animals in the care of Three Foot Seven Limited received the best available treatment to ensure their recovery, their welfare and return to good health was paramount to those in charge. At no time were we concerned about the welfare and on-going treatment of animals under our care."

FROM: JOY GRAY - FARMER

"I was appalled to hear of the wild claims being made in the media by PETA. I and my family own the farm which the Hobbits used to train their animals. Myself, my manager, my children and grand-children saw nothing to make us uncomfortable or give us cause for concern. We all had totally free access to all activities at all times. In fact, the animals were wonderfully looked after, being well-fed, well-housed, and well-treated. As both farmers and dedicated horse people ourselves we would have stood for nothing less. I myself ride horses, all my children rode competitively and now my grandchildren ride.

"I was involved in Pony Club for many years and was District Commissioner for the Wellington Pony Club. My manager was totally aware of all that was happening with the Hobbits and he is outraged at these false claims.

"The sixty horses, the cattle, oxen, sheep, goats, dogs, pigs, hens etc. were given professional and humane treatment."

FROM: JED BROPHY - ACTOR (NORI)

"As an actor and animal trainer who has worked on large scale productions here in New Zealand, in particular The Lord of the Rings Trilogy and more recently, The Hobbit, I am flabbergasted to read this morning of the accusations levelled at the production by PETA. With a production as large as The Hobbit, filmed over such an extensive period the care of the animals used in filming was exceptional. The entire time we were on set, and when we were training with the animal wranglers employed to look after and train the animals for filming, I observed no mistreatment - in fact the opposite is true.

"The animals were treated with the utmost care and responsibility. The farm in which they were housed had excellent facilities for the care and maintenance of the animals' health. So much so that I moved my own horse on site so I could ride him for training exercises. At all times on set we had experienced Wranglers and Animal health Authorities on hand and Vets to monitor the welfare of the Animals working for the film. It has been my experience working for this film company that they take every conceivable precaution and employ the very best practitioners in every department and that includes the animal department.

"I feel that there is a certain amount of personal vindictiveness levelled at the production from individuals with their own agenda. As is often the case in these situations, organisations will leap at the chance to gain publicity for their cause without seeking the truth. Being an experienced horseman and having worked as a wrangler and rider in the past, I would not have allowed myself to be a part of any production that knowingly employed unsafe practice in the workplace in this way. I can say with absolute certainty the production went out of their way to treat animals with the utmost respect and care."

So there's that.
 
2012-11-20 03:27:01 AM
A different article...Link

FTA: "One wrangler said that over time he buried three horses, as well as about six goats, six sheep and a dozen chickens. The wranglers say two more horses suffered severe injuries but survived."
 
2012-11-20 03:42:39 AM
Were any of the animals poodles? Did anybody see this guy around? 
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Badgers?
 
2012-11-20 03:56:11 AM
Whenever I see "no animals were harmed" lines in movie credits I want to sue the studio. If they use vehicles to transport people and equipment, they are, at least, killing dozens, if not hundreds, of insects and other small critters.
 
2012-11-20 04:17:50 AM
I'm going to go ahead and state that a normal day at the local farm is a thousand times worth for animals than the Hobbit set.
So, in other words, PETA is exaggerating, again.
 
2012-11-20 05:59:33 AM

mediablitz: PETA is pretesting the deaths of 27 animals?!?!?

They kill THOUSANDS of animals every year. Why aren't they protesting themselves?

There is no bigger group of hypocrites than PETA members.


A big ol' fat this. Maybe someone should ask PETA why they euthanize thousands of healthy animals every year instead of trying to adopt them out? PETA shelters kill more animals than they adopt out. fark PETA,fark them in their hypocritical vegan asses.
 
2012-11-20 08:42:04 AM
I would like to point out that horses are by their nature flighty animals. It's not uncommon for shiat like this to happen--something will spook them, they'll take a bad step, and get themselves hurt or killed. A perfectly safe situation at any other time can be life-threatening when you're dealing with an unpredictable 1000+ lb. package of muscle and hooves balanced on ankles the thickness of your wrist.

As for the 'exploding insides' someone posted about, it's colic. Colic is a nasty, horrible way for a horse to die, but it happens every damn day. Again, it's what happens when you take a browsing herbivore and ask it to perform at the highest levels of athleticism (or hell, even just exist at that scale) with an intestinal track over 100 ft long bouncing around inside. Some horses, who are otherwise perfectly healthy, are susceptible to colic. We had a horse at my barn who was an eventer, and wonderful at it, but would colic something like once a month because he slept funny. He eventually died from it. There was literally nothing that could be done to end this; even if he had been put out to pasture for the rest of his life he would have died from the colic.

So in short, fark PETA. Am I sad that horses died? Yes. Do I think that something could have been done to prevent some of the deaths? Maybe. But unlike PETA, I wasn't there, and I trust that the people caring for the horses gave a damn.
 
2012-11-20 08:53:55 AM

Aboleth: Fano: A hedgehog was also killed.

Well he was asking for it!


Look, I warned him. I told him I was getting pissed off. I said to him, I said, "You say 'Dinsdale' ONE MORE TIME, and you'll get my boot up your spiny little rump."

But did he listen?
 
2012-11-20 09:41:01 AM

if_i_really_have_to: brandent: jimw: Well, I guess that the standard disclaimer, "No animals were harmed or injured during the making of this movie" will be missing from this film.

Read the article. That's still the truth. They died on farms not in filming or on any set. It will likely still be there. I'm going to be looking for it though to see if they still put it there.

I always got the impression most animals are owned and maintained by the trainers and therefore it would their responsibility to see them safe off set, not the production's. Surely this is a matter addressed in the contract with whomever they are renting the animals from? Productions don't usually just flat out buy a bunch of animals, do they? I actually don't know, maybe the do sometimes.

Anyway, sheep died? Oh noes! Do you know how many sheep die just from unseasonable weather in a year in NZ? It seems like a year doesn't go by that farmers aren't whining because half their lambs died because it snowed early and once again they haven't provided any shelter in the lambing paddocks.

As for sheep and goats dying because of rough terrain. Are they... are they serious? Do they know where sheep and goats normally live? Do they think farm paddocks are normally like a football field, all smooth and perfect? Have they seen a goat run up a cliff face? Have the seen the high paddocks sheep get left alone in for weeks at a time?

I don't have too much to do with horses, but I would have thought they knew not to step off cliffs. Maybe not, they're pretty dumb as far as animals go. We have wild horses in New Zealand, who's keeping them away from cliffs?

It's definitely important to take care of animals in film productions and they should be housed humanely. But this comes off as another case of PETA being a bunch of ignorant city dwellers looking for a story to beat up in the media.


You'll notice I didn't say I thought it was horrible. Just pointing out that technically it would seem they can still put the disclaimer there and it will be interesting to look. Sheep have been bred for thousands of years to be fundamentally stupid. My Dad was a farmer. He said when he was younger he used to have a few sheep. I vaguely remember a few when I was small but he gave up on them He claimed they were so dumb that they would come to a corner in a fence and stand in the corner not knowing how to get out of it. Not unusual at all to find dead sheep in corners of a pasture after a storm if you didn't actually go out and round them up and put them away before the storm. They were too dumb to simply walk inside the barn. They absolutely REQUIRE a shepherd.
 
2012-11-20 11:14:49 AM
Seriously, aren't you guys a little old for hobbits and shiat?
 
2012-11-20 11:21:16 AM

airsupport: Seriously, aren't you guys a little old for hobbits and shiat?


Oh cool, we get to dust this quote off again.

"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~ C.S. Lewis

tl;dr version: Accusing others of being childish because of their choice of entertainment is usually a sign of projection.
 
2012-11-20 12:40:16 PM
Fifteen birds in land of New Z,
their lives ended in the movie!
But, tasty little birds, with dipping wings!
O what shall we do with the funny little things?
Roast 'em alive, or stew them in a pot;
fry them, boil them and eat them hot?

/meh
 
2012-11-20 03:57:41 PM

Butthurted: Treygreen13: IN THEEEEE AAAAAAAARMMSSSS OFF THEEE AAAAANGEEEEELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLS
FLY AWAAAAAAAAAAAAY FROOOOM HEEEEEEEEEREEEE

Fark me!!!!!....I hate that commercial..I have to change the channel or risk my tough guy persona failing...but thanks for the lolz


Yeah, and now they'll add a little quote over the sad-looking puppy that says "Why do they beat me?" Motherfarkers.
 
2012-11-22 07:48:19 AM
The Hobbit production has responded that PETA and the two wranglers don't really have a leg to stand on.
 
2012-11-22 07:01:55 PM

I created this alt just for this thread: airsupport: Seriously, aren't you guys a little old for hobbits and shiat?

Oh cool, we get to dust this quote off again.

"Critics who treat adult as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up." ~ C.S. Lewis

tl;dr version: Accusing others of being childish because of their choice of entertainment is usually a sign of projection.




C.S. Lewis? Didn't he write kids books and shiat?
 
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