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(Talking Points Memo)   Republican and Democratic leaders optimistic on tax and spending deal. This is not a repeat from 2011   (tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com) divider line 124
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2012-11-19 04:10:32 PM
Yeah, I'll be "optimistic" when we start hearing details. This reads more like "please don't blame me for what's about to happen, I tried, I really really did!" to me
 
2012-11-19 04:27:02 PM
I'd be optimistic except for the fact that I know who we're dealing with here

/fat chance
 
ZAZ [TotalFark]
2012-11-19 04:59:54 PM
leaders of both parties expressed optimism that they can put together a tax and spending agreement that lowers deficits in the medium term, without triggering exceptionally austere automatic tax increases and spending cuts next year.

Leaders of both parties expressed optimism that they can turn short term spending cuts and tax increases into short term inaction with a promise to fix problems later. I fully expect them to carry out this plan, because they already proved they could do it last year. (As submitter noted.)

What's taller and steeper than a cliff? That's what we're talking about next election season.
 
2012-11-19 05:06:35 PM
They weren't optimistic in 2011. The GOP was trying to force a showdown then. Now, they have no leverage and are looking at being blamed for a second recession going into the 2014 elections.
 
2012-11-19 05:07:51 PM
my portfolio thanks you. Now get something done
 
2012-11-19 05:08:47 PM
Let me tell you how out will end. Modest tax increase. Not to previous levels.

And a continuing dismantling of any safety net and social programs.

Corporate feedbag, will be in place firmly.
 
2012-11-19 05:09:53 PM
Boehner to say he got 98% of what he wanted and still not pass the compromise in...
 
2012-11-19 05:11:40 PM
What I find funny is this so called "fiscal cliff" and is supposed to be disaster to our economy but it's not anywhere near what people like Ryan was purposing that everyone called "bold" and "brave" and intelligent.


You can't be saying the "fiscal cliff" is too much, but your main goal is to get us to a zero deficit. That's obviously dishonest.
 
2012-11-19 05:14:08 PM

Corvus: Ryan was purposing that everyone called "bold" and "brave" and intelligent.


Purposing?
Proposing?
Porpoising?

www.rantsfromamadman.com
 
2012-11-19 05:14:27 PM
"We're prepared to put revenue on the table as long as we solve the real problem," said Senate Minority Leader McConnell, referring to spending on popular programs like Medicare and Social Security, after the meeting.

turtle head's number 1 goal for the past 4 years was a failure so now he's attempting to get some work done? wow...
 
2012-11-19 05:15:38 PM
Yeah, it's more like they're optimistic about their ability to make the other side look worse when the deal fails.
 
2012-11-19 05:17:25 PM
rofl "tax and spend"
 
2012-11-19 05:26:22 PM
Obama should just sit on his hands. The tax cuts were irresponsible to begin with. We need revenues from letting them expire and not just the 1/6th dems are asking for. Let them expire. We'll get over it.
 
2012-11-19 05:28:57 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Obama should just sit on his hands. The tax cuts were irresponsible to begin with. We need revenues from letting them expire and not just the 1/6th dems are asking for. Let them expire. We'll get over it.


It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.
 
2012-11-19 05:29:16 PM
Let them expire for everyone.
 
2012-11-19 05:30:19 PM

Corvus: You can't be saying the "fiscal cliff" is too much, but your main goal is to get us to a zero deficit. That's obviously dishonest.


In fairness, Ryan's budget didnt have a goal of zero deficit. +3.1T over next 10 years. It's a double bluff.
 
2012-11-19 05:33:03 PM

Infernalist: Debeo Summa Credo: Obama should just sit on his hands. The tax cuts were irresponsible to begin with. We need revenues from letting them expire and not just the 1/6th dems are asking for. Let them expire. We'll get over it.

It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.


Oh noes!!! The pain!!! Suck it up. It would be painful but these were temporary tax cuts to begin with, you shouldn't have expected them forever.

The rich portion of the tax cuts are a drop in the bucket conpared to the whole. We need fiscal responsibility and if not a 2nd term no future elections Obama, then who's going to do it? Not the GOP and not whatever pandering asshole the dems put up in 2016.
 
2012-11-19 05:35:30 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Obama should just sit on his hands. The tax cuts were irresponsible to begin with


Obama wants to keep the cuts for the middle class; people making less than 200,000. The Republicans want to keep tose taxes low too. People making less than 200K will spend the money and move it back into the economy which will help it grow.
 
2012-11-19 05:38:10 PM
Knowing the government will use the revenue responsibly, I don't understand how anyone could oppose letting the tax cuts expire for us all.
 
2012-11-19 05:40:05 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Infernalist: Debeo Summa Credo: Obama should just sit on his hands. The tax cuts were irresponsible to begin with. We need revenues from letting them expire and not just the 1/6th dems are asking for. Let them expire. We'll get over it.

It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.

Oh noes!!! The pain!!! Suck it up. It would be painful but these were temporary tax cuts to begin with, you shouldn't have expected them forever.

The rich portion of the tax cuts are a drop in the bucket conpared to the whole. We need fiscal responsibility and if not a 2nd term no future elections Obama, then who's going to do it? Not the GOP and not whatever pandering asshole the dems put up in 2016.


Indeed, we got where are today mainly because the rich have squeezed every possible nickel they can out of the middle class. They don't give raises, they lay people off and fire them, never to be replaced, they don't give promotions, they cut cut benefits and all of this in the end makes the company rich, helps CEO's and stock owners.

Now the middle class well has run dry. These employees you have squeezed for 30 years can no longer afford to buy anything and don't have any credit left.

Well then surely it is time to punish them and make them "suck it up." Someone has to pay for how filthy rich the already wealthy have become and it would be unfair to ask them to do it. Higher taxes on the middle class are the price we have to pay for having the privilege of helping the rich get richer for 3 decades.
 
2012-11-19 05:42:29 PM

Summoner101: Boehner to say he got 98% of what he wanted and still not pass the compromise in...


Didn't Yasser Arafat do the same thing in the 90s?
 
2012-11-19 05:43:14 PM
Optimistic? OPTIMISTIC? I am just gogsmacked that anyone can be optimistic looking at how both teams have been messaging over the past week or two. Obama, Pelosi, Reid etal No base broadening, it is a rate increase or nothing. Boehner, McConnel etal, Revenue increases are OK as long as rates stay the same.

There is no middleground to be found between the two wants. And you know what I dont care. I was advocating for the end of all the cuts in 05-6 and I have not moved one bit. Pay your taxes pleps, it is the only patriotic thing to do.
 
2012-11-19 05:45:46 PM

elchip: Summoner101: Boehner to say he got 98% of what he wanted and still not pass the compromise in...

Didn't Yasser Arafat do the same thing in the 90s?


Boehner for Nobel Peace Prize!
 
2012-11-19 05:46:22 PM

Saiga410: pleps


Is that a dolphin thing? There are some dolphin things going on in this thread that I don't understand.
 
2012-11-19 05:48:36 PM

Soup4Bonnie: Saiga410: pleps

Is that a dolphin thing? There are some dolphin things going on in this thread that I don't understand.


sorry, plebs somehow I inverted my b
 
2012-11-19 05:50:39 PM
A lot of Congressmen (Eric Cantor) saw how deep the rabbit hole went with that debt ceiling nonsense. They'll probably, actually, do something this time.
 
2012-11-19 05:51:43 PM
A deal could finally happen this time because the GOP has a farking gun pointed at its head now.
 
2012-11-19 05:55:43 PM
There wont be a deal

No way in hell will it happen.

GOP is mad about Obama getting reelected and as punishment they are gonna let us go over the fiscal cliff

Partisanship sucks, folks
 
2012-11-19 05:58:27 PM

Saiga410: sorry, plebs somehow I inverted my b


It's cool. For a minute there, though, I thought you'd done it on porpoise.
 
2012-11-19 06:00:51 PM

Infernalist: It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.


Won't happen. If the tax cuts expire, Obama will submit a bill to reinstate them for the 98% and will dare the GOP to vote against a tax cut.
 
2012-11-19 06:04:43 PM

cman: Partisanship sucks, folks


Spoken like a true Republican.
 
2012-11-19 06:07:33 PM
After an hour-long meeting at the White House Friday, leaders of both parties expressed optimism that they can put together a tax and spending agreement that lowers deficits in the medium term, without triggering exceptionally austere automatic tax increases and spending cuts next year.

There is nothing austere about a tax increase.
 
2012-11-19 06:08:57 PM
Didn't the Republican leadership say before the election NO DEAL would be done during the lame duck congress?

What happened to that?
 
2012-11-19 06:16:15 PM

Corvus: Didn't the Republican leadership say before the election NO DEAL would be done during the lame duck congress?

What happened to that?


They didn't want to divide by zero by pushing their approval rating any lower
 
2012-11-19 06:16:20 PM

Corvus: Didn't the Republican leadership say before the election NO DEAL would be done during the lame duck congress?

What happened to that?


They didn't win the Presidency/Senate. There's no point in waiting now that they know they won't be in a better position next term.
 
2012-11-19 06:16:37 PM

Saiga410: Soup4Bonnie: Saiga410: pleps

Is that a dolphin thing? There are some dolphin things going on in this thread that I don't understand.

sorry, plebs somehow I inverted my b


I understand. Sometimes I got a p and don't know it.
 
2012-11-19 06:17:55 PM

Darth_Lukecash: Let me tell you how out will end. Modest tax increase. Not to previous levels.

And a continuing dismantling of any safety net and social programs.

Corporate feedbag, will be in place firmly.


Take out the War on Drugs. It's a savings of $200 billion over a ten year period - more if we count in the savings from fewer prisoners.
 
2012-11-19 06:22:48 PM

hawcian: Corvus: Didn't the Republican leadership say before the election NO DEAL would be done during the lame duck congress?

What happened to that?

They didn't win the Presidency/Senate. There's no point in waiting now that they know they won't be in a better position next term.


In fact, their bargaining position weakens when the new Congress sits. So it's actually in their interests to offer the best deal they're willing to offer now.
 
2012-11-19 06:27:23 PM

Mentat: Infernalist: It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.

Won't happen. If the tax cuts expire, Obama will submit a bill to reinstate them for the 98% and will dare the GOP to vote against a tax cut.


And the House GOP will pass an emergency bill extending the bush cuts and dare the senate to vote against tax cuts.
 
2012-11-19 06:28:41 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: Mentat: Infernalist: It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.

Won't happen. If the tax cuts expire, Obama will submit a bill to reinstate them for the 98% and will dare the GOP to vote against a tax cut.

And the House GOP will pass an emergency bill extending the bush cuts and dare the senate to vote against tax cuts.


Do you have these macro'd?
 
2012-11-19 06:28:46 PM

bugontherug: hawcian: Corvus: Didn't the Republican leadership say before the election NO DEAL would be done during the lame duck congress?

What happened to that?

They didn't win the Presidency/Senate. There's no point in waiting now that they know they won't be in a better position next term.

In fact, their bargaining position weakens when the new Congress sits. So it's actually in their interests to offer the best deal they're willing to offer now.


They have absolutely no incentive to make a deal. Fiscal cliff is laughable to them. They are gonna make the American public suffer.
 
2012-11-19 06:29:17 PM

Muta: Debeo Summa Credo: Obama should just sit on his hands. The tax cuts were irresponsible to begin with

Obama wants to keep the cuts for the middle class; people making less than 200,000. The Republicans want to keep tose taxes low too. People making less than 200K will spend the money and move it back into the economy which will help it grow.


Bullshiat. You guys have a ridiculous interpretation of the efficacy of tax cuts for the rich vs. the poor. The difference is negligible, per the CBO.
 
2012-11-19 06:32:19 PM

CPennypacker: Debeo Summa Credo: Mentat: Infernalist: It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.

Won't happen. If the tax cuts expire, Obama will submit a bill to reinstate them for the 98% and will dare the GOP to vote against a tax cut.

And the House GOP will pass an emergency bill extending the bush cuts and dare the senate to vote against tax cuts.

Do you have these macro'd?


Gosh. That'd be a time saver. Can you share some of the coding from the farklib talking point ejaculator?
 
2012-11-19 06:34:39 PM

Debeo Summa Credo: CPennypacker: Debeo Summa Credo: Mentat: Infernalist: It really would be painful for everyone involved. I'd prefer to spare the 98% of us that aren't filthy rich.

Won't happen. If the tax cuts expire, Obama will submit a bill to reinstate them for the 98% and will dare the GOP to vote against a tax cut.

And the House GOP will pass an emergency bill extending the bush cuts and dare the senate to vote against tax cuts.

Do you have these macro'd?

Gosh. That'd be a time saver. Can you share some of the coding from the farklib talking point ejaculator?


If you keep posting the same wrong, debunked shiat, people are going to keep debunking it the same ways. Have fun.
 
2012-11-19 06:44:08 PM

cman: bugontherug: hawcian: Corvus: Didn't the Republican leadership say before the election NO DEAL would be done during the lame duck congress?

What happened to that?

They didn't win the Presidency/Senate. There's no point in waiting now that they know they won't be in a better position next term.

In fact, their bargaining position weakens when the new Congress sits. So it's actually in their interests to offer the best deal they're willing to offer now.

They have absolutely no incentive to make a deal. Fiscal cliff is laughable to them. They are gonna make the American public suffer.


I really don't think the House GOP considers large tax hikes and deep military spending cuts laughable.
 
2012-11-19 06:45:22 PM
Yea, I heard the same horseshiat when Boehner and McConnell had a White House driveway PC the other day. They basically said "we're open to leaving revenue on the table as long as we have comprehensive tax reform that favors business"...IE, we want more tax cuts for the rich.
 
2012-11-19 06:52:56 PM
fark them all.
 
2012-11-19 06:58:16 PM
Republican and Democratic leaders optimistic that they can browbeat the other side into going along with their plan.
 
2012-11-19 07:21:51 PM

qorkfiend:

I really don't think the House GOP considers large tax hikes and deep military spending cuts laughable.


All the Bush tax cuts expire and the sequester begins. Who gets hurt the most?

People. Not wealthy people, just people.
 
2012-11-19 07:23:23 PM

Summoner101: Corvus: Ryan was purposing that everyone called "bold" and "brave" and intelligent.

Purposing?
Proposing?
Porpoising?

[www.rantsfromamadman.com image 400x320]


It was clear what he meant, for all intensive porpoises
 
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