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(Alaska Dispatch News)   Your tax dollars at work: Town of 1,000 has a $77 million airport with no air service; now adds $29 million harbor with no road access   (adn.com) divider line 145
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2012-11-19 01:14:59 PM  
Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.
 
2012-11-19 01:25:53 PM  

serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.


Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.
 
2012-11-19 01:36:34 PM  

Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.


Looks like that harbor could hold maybe one Navy ship.
 
2012-11-19 01:44:24 PM  
Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?
 
2012-11-19 01:59:49 PM  
they are there in case global warming opens up the northwest passage .so they can grape their slice of the pie .
 
2012-11-19 02:01:06 PM  
grab. not grape.

damn autocorrect .
 
2012-11-19 02:02:18 PM  

Cubansaltyballs: Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.

Looks like that harbor could hold maybe one Navy ship.


How many ships need to be docked there? They're likely talking about a quick refueling station, perhaps emergency repair dock.

It's not going to be San Diego, but fire up google maps and take a look at where Akutan actually is, maybe mapped alongside Adak and Midway, then make your own assessment of how critical that harbor would be in the event of naval hostilities in the Pacific.

Aw hell, I'll do it for you.
 
2012-11-19 02:03:12 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?


No, that was a completely different pile of pork by bootstrappy, fiscally conservative Alaskan Republicans.
 
2012-11-19 02:15:31 PM  

kmmontandon: AdolfOliverPanties: Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?

No, that was a completely different pile of pork by bootstrappy, fiscally conservative Alaskan Republicans.


Funny thing. Alaska couldn't exist without Federal aid to build their infrastructure.

I'm ok with funding projects to help states and communities. Anyone have any info whether this one is one of the 'good' projects (further down the line, when the road is built and the town can use it)?
 
2012-11-19 02:29:15 PM  
Don't worry. I've been in this mess before.

Here's how to fix everything:
1. Press Ctrl + Shift + C
2. In the console, type: motherlode;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!;!
3. Profit
 
2012-11-19 02:33:02 PM  

sithon: they are there in case global warming opens up the northwest passage .so they can grape their slice of the pie .


grape pie sounds... interesting.
 
2012-11-19 02:39:07 PM  

Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.


Uh yeah, they could just un-mothball Adak ...
 
2012-11-19 02:39:59 PM  
On the other hand, a naval installation in Barrow is starting to make a helluva lot more sense. The Coasties are spending a lot more time up there these days..
 
2012-11-19 02:41:04 PM  
Considering global warming will make that the new Alaskan Riviera, it looks like a great place for a future Sandals resort and casino.
 
2012-11-19 02:41:04 PM  
*read headline*

Must be Alaska!

*click*

Yep!!

Keep being bootstrappy ultra red state Alaska. Oh and how are those socialistic oil payments going?
 
2012-11-19 02:42:40 PM  
img689.imageshack.us
 
2012-11-19 02:42:43 PM  
If you build it, they will come
 
2012-11-19 02:43:24 PM  

serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll they'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor. occupy the harbor and airport before we know it!



Fixed that for you.
 
2012-11-19 02:43:33 PM  

fredbox: Babwa Wawa: serial_crusher: Makes sense. If the ruskies invade, we'll be able to build that road relatively quickly compared to the amount of time it will take to build a new harbor.

Came here to say this, but it's more likely to be about the need to boost our naval presence in the Pacific.

I'd say the harbor (and the airfield) are consistent with the prevailing analysis of emerging threats.

Uh yeah, they could just un-mothball Adak ...


The Department for Redundant Departments has a sub office in charge of Military Redundancy preplanning and backup efforts. Their Senate subcommittee for Redundancy in Redundant Military Outposts would like a word with you.
 
2012-11-19 02:43:59 PM  
That sounds like the cities I built in SimCity.

/the simulator didn't check to see if the seaport had transportation access
 
2012-11-19 02:44:21 PM  

cannotsuggestaname: grape pie sounds... interesting.


It's actually not bad
 
2012-11-19 02:44:29 PM  
2 miles? No road? BFD. Generally speaking, there are no roads in the western half of Alaska. That's an area about the size of Texas.
 
2012-11-19 02:44:43 PM  
That's ok. Illinois has the $313 million Mid America Airport that has no air service.
 
2012-11-19 02:44:51 PM  
I always ended up doing that in Sim City too. I got all excited when I realized I could build harbors and airports so my little town that barely had running water would have an airport taking tourists in and out of the middle of nowhere.

Of course, that was Sim City and I could just re-start. This is real moneys.

Fund fund bond?
 
2012-11-19 02:45:35 PM  
I can actually say I've been to Akutan (aka Akutraz). I took a Grumman Goose amphibious plane to get there. The town has one bar, which served only Lucky Lager ($5 a can).
 
2012-11-19 02:46:15 PM  
An overt Aleutian to future events. Global warming or global war, perhaps?
 
2012-11-19 02:47:32 PM  
Maybe it could be used for a Langoliers reboot.
 
2012-11-19 02:47:59 PM  
Now for the second question; who did the work and what connections do they have to the money??
 
2012-11-19 02:48:11 PM  

FuturePastNow: That sounds like the cities I built in SimCity.

/the simulator didn't check to see if the seaport had transportation access


came to say this
leaving satisfied
 
2012-11-19 02:49:36 PM  
The Berkshires?
 
DGK
2012-11-19 02:49:54 PM  

moops: I can actually say I've been to Akutan (aka Akutraz). I took a Grumman Goose amphibious plane to get there. The town has one bar, which served only Lucky Lager ($5 a can).


I have not thought about Lucky Lager beer in a long time, I grew up in Montana and that was the beer my parents drank. I didn't even know that stuff was still being made. I remember my personal opinion being that it tasted like ass
 
2012-11-19 02:51:04 PM  
Since this is outside my Congressional district, I demand this horrible waste of pork be cut immediately.

/But don't touch that new veterans statue/mini garden on the Ohio River walkway
//It's critical to the state infrastructure
 
2012-11-19 02:51:28 PM  

AdolfOliverPanties: Was this where the bridge to nowhere was going?


Open thread
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Leave thread satisfied
 
2012-11-19 02:53:11 PM  

dofus: 2 miles? No road? BFD. Generally speaking, there are no roads in the western half of Alaska. That's an area about the size of Texas.


Agree. Anyone that would live anywhere near this part of the world and not be capable at 4x4 travel for 2 miles isn't surviving long enough to worry about...
 
2012-11-19 02:53:13 PM  
Forget it Jake, it's Alaska.
 
2012-11-19 02:54:42 PM  
Steve Boardman is head of the Army Corps of Engineers' civil projects division.

Read that as Steve Bartman

www.lasnark.com
 
2012-11-19 02:55:03 PM  
Boardman says the Corps made an exception in this case because of the harbor's strategic importance.

strategic importance = STFU and stop asking so many questions.
 
2012-11-19 02:55:19 PM  
At least they didn't follow through with the 1950s plan to build harbors in Alaska. "We don't actually NEED a harbor here, but we have a bunch of nukes sitting around..." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Chariot_%281958%29

Although, that harbor at Akutan kind of looks like a crater...
 
2012-11-19 02:55:37 PM  
how did they build it without even any infrastructure to build it? looks like all it is is a harbor wall and something to dock to...
 
2012-11-19 02:56:15 PM  
So an airport that saw use no longer has air service, and a habit was built in advance of the construction of an access road, rather then be douchy and skip over them and possibly deny them a harbor until a road is built and some other president soles out stimulus monies.

I don't see the problems here.
 
2012-11-19 02:57:14 PM  
Look, I know Sig Hansen stops by to unload crab, but is that worth $29 million?
 
2012-11-19 02:57:30 PM  
doles

Stupid "predictive" phone.
 
2012-11-19 02:58:02 PM  
I present to you the Libertarian-Socialist State of Alaska.

HOO-RAY!
 
2012-11-19 02:58:42 PM  
Another unknown for the Akutan harbor: There's no guarantee Trident Seafoods, the largest processor in the Aleutians, will use it.

Ah, corporate welfare.
 
2012-11-19 03:01:00 PM  

Corvus: *read headline*

Must be Alaska!

*click*

Yep!!

Keep being bootstrappy ultra red state Alaska. Oh and how are those socialistic oil payments going?


None of this is for the people, its for the corporation doing business there.
 
2012-11-19 03:03:04 PM  
according to the city's document , the town is comprised of two populations: a native Aluet population (of about 90 people) and the Trident Fishing Corp (with ~800 people living in company dorms). the harbor will, of course, provide moorings and shelter for the Trident company's fishing boats.

because of the geography, the town is currently only accessible by seaplane or boat. also, the geography prohibits access roads to the airport or harbor. instead, they will be connect by... no shiat... hovercraft service.
 
2012-11-19 03:04:07 PM  
here's the document: http://akutanharbor.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/H-LAP_Final_Review_ 10Feb2011.pdf
 
2012-11-19 03:05:59 PM  

DGK: moops: I can actually say I've been to Akutan (aka Akutraz). I took a Grumman Goose amphibious plane to get there. The town has one bar, which served only Lucky Lager ($5 a can).

I have not thought about Lucky Lager beer in a long time, I grew up in Montana and that was the beer my parents drank. I didn't even know that stuff was still being made. I remember my personal opinion being that it tasted like ass


I had it in alberta, it was cheap, so alot of people bought it. Wasn't horrible, I'd rather that than LaBatts.
 
2012-11-19 03:06:12 PM  

fredbox: Corvus: *read headline*

Must be Alaska!

*click*

Yep!!

Keep being bootstrappy ultra red state Alaska. Oh and how are those socialistic oil payments going?

None of this is for the people, its for the corporation doing business there.


^^This....some lucky seafood processor will be able to set up shop with a brand new guvmint subsidized port
 
2012-11-19 03:06:29 PM  

freak74: Although, that harbor at Akutan kind of looks like a crater...


That's just an optical Aleutian.
 
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