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2012-11-19 12:32:30 PM
If the Republicans would spin out the crazies and stop beating the abortion and gay marriage drums, yours truly would be inclined to vote Republican.

This country faces some enormous challenges, but the Republican party seems to want to push ideological agendas more than they actually want to solve America's problems.
 
2012-11-19 12:39:34 PM
Because Democrats control Congress and the White House strangely absent?
 
2012-11-19 12:45:16 PM
1. The GOP has a deep bench of up-and-coming stars

Are their policy positions that much different from the 'old guard' GOP? Who cares if you have Hispanic, Asian, or even openly homosexual 'rising stars' within your party. If they're spewing out the same derp as your party has been the past couple of years, it won't make any difference how many Rubios you have.

One word, 'Policy.'

2. The party has a coherent rationale for change

Answer me a question: Will the number of voters you successfully woo over to your party by dropping social issue X be enough to outweigh the alienated current members of your party who are for social issue X, AND win you future elections?

3. The Democrats may have their own civil war

You're delusional if you think the Democrats are as fractured as is the current state of your party.

4. The electoral map isn't that forbidding

Unless the Republican party finds a way to convince a very significant portion of the changing demographics to vote for them, the electoral map looks very forbidding. A lot could happen in four years, so who knows. I guess we'll see.

You couldn't pay me enough money to be a Republican strategist these days. It just doesn't look very pretty for them at the moment.
 
2012-11-19 12:49:57 PM
Who the fark wrote this, Karl Rove?
 
2012-11-19 12:54:35 PM
1. The GOP has a deep bench of up-and-coming stars

We were saying that in Kansas City, until the beginning of the season. Jamaal Charles, Dwayne Bowe, Eric Berry, Derrick Johnson, Brandon Flowers, I could go on, but it would make me sad.
 
2012-11-19 12:57:55 PM
From TFA:

"It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to see how" the GOP could justify immigration reform with free market orthodoxy, since "allowing cheap labor for farms and industry" would be far more palatable than "an expensive, ineffective big government project to build a wall along the border."


I was glad I wasn't drinking something when I read this, given GWB's use of this project as an excuse
to hand out pork sandwiches to the usual suspects back in those heady post 9/11 days.
 
2012-11-19 01:13:24 PM
5. They have to die off sooner or later, then they won't have anything to worry about.
 
2012-11-19 01:17:33 PM
subversatile.net
 
2012-11-19 01:17:37 PM
so it boils down to:

1: Herp
2: Derp
3: Herp Derp
4: Potatoe.
 
2012-11-19 01:17:55 PM

DjangoStonereaver: From TFA:

"It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to see how" the GOP could justify immigration reform with free market orthodoxy, since "allowing cheap labor for farms and industry" would be far more palatable than "an expensive, ineffective big government project to build a wall along the border."

I was glad I wasn't drinking something when I read this, given GWB's use of this project as an excuse
to hand out pork sandwiches to the usual suspects back in those heady post 9/11 days.


Don't forget that the recent willingness to look at immigration reform from any and every republican has started with strong border security. You can bet the back 40 that any discussion of temporary work visa's for migrant workers is DOA. Path to citizenship as defined in the Dream act doesn't have much chance either.

Personally I'd like to see military service with honorable discharge guaranteeing citizenship but I don't even think that has a chance with house republicans.
 
2012-11-19 01:18:25 PM
5). Barack Obama cannot run for president again
 
2012-11-19 01:20:25 PM
I like how the British reporter thinks it's possible for the GOP to change their stance on immigration and gay marriage.  
 
2012-11-19 01:25:21 PM
Republicans can be hopeful about the future, because they're out of touch with the present.
 
2012-11-19 01:25:38 PM
6) Some day they will die?
 
2012-11-19 01:27:02 PM
It's not even worth talking about until they stop catering to the crazies in the party

/so not anytime soon
 
2012-11-19 01:31:30 PM
Weird, I don't see "A lot of Americans are complete morons with no memory of the past whatsoever" on that list.
 
2012-11-19 01:34:26 PM
What does point 4 look like if you drop Reagan from the calculation? I bet he distorts those numbers significantly.
 
2012-11-19 01:40:32 PM
4. The electoral map isn't that forbidding

Uhhhh for the GOP yes it is.
The country is in an economic sh*thole, and still every single swing state went blue.
Unless the country is in worse economic shape in 4 years (unlikely to impossible) all those states are gonna go blue again, along with probably NC, which was close this year and went blue in 2008.
 
2012-11-19 01:51:38 PM
right now, the message Limbaugh is pushing is that:

1. libruls were/are RUNNING SCARED! yes, SCARED! what scared them? the GOP convention. it apparently terrified libruls everywhere.

2. Limbaugh is not to blame for Romney's loss. it's only LIBRULS that blame Limbaugh for Romney's loss. you don't wanna be a librul do you? of course not! so you can't blame Rush Limbaugh for anything. he's just 'a guy on the radio'. no influence to speak of, it's not his fault, he's not a consultant.

watching the GOP pundits implode has been fascinating.
 
2012-11-19 01:51:56 PM
2. The party has a coherent rationale for change
The GOP is losing badly among women, younger voters, and Latinos, one of the country's fastest-growing ethnic groups. But the "party's imminent death due to demographic changes have been greatly exaggerated," says Gary Younge at Britiain's The Guardian. "It doesn't take a great leap of imagination to see how" the GOP could justify immigration reform with free market orthodoxy, since "allowing cheap labor for farms and industry" would be far more palatable than "an expensive, ineffective big government project to build a wall along the border." Furthermore, the party's position on gay marriage and abortion "are an awkward fit with its hostility to government intervention." The Republican Party is far more flexible than most people believe.


Did ... really? Uh, this link is here for the page clicks and that is it.
 
2012-11-19 01:53:05 PM

Weaver95: 2. Limbaugh is not to blame for Romney's loss. it's only LIBRULS that blame Limbaugh for Romney's loss. you don't wanna be a librul do you? of course not! so you can't blame Rush Limbaugh for anything. he's just 'a guy on the radio'. no influence to speak of, it's not his fault, he's not a consultant.


He's just a little fuzzball, as he used to say in the 90s. And then he hides behind 'well, I'm just an entertainer' when he's caught on the spot.
 
2012-11-19 01:54:39 PM

cretinbob: 6) Some day they will die?


I mean we all do, not I hope they die
 
2012-11-19 01:59:45 PM

Nadie_AZ: Weaver95: 2. Limbaugh is not to blame for Romney's loss. it's only LIBRULS that blame Limbaugh for Romney's loss. you don't wanna be a librul do you? of course not! so you can't blame Rush Limbaugh for anything. he's just 'a guy on the radio'. no influence to speak of, it's not his fault, he's not a consultant.

He's just a little fuzzball, as he used to say in the 90s. And then he hides behind 'well, I'm just an entertainer' when he's caught on the spot.


that's what he's saying right now. he's playing the 'hey, i'm just a radio guy' card. personally, I think that Daily Kos article is on the money - a LOT of GOP pundits (Limbaugh included) are catching hell from the Republican leadership for badly distorting pre-election planning with their on air bullshiat. In limbaugh's case tho, he's not only partly responsible for teaching Republicans to lose elections but he's costing his bosses a metric ass load of money. which is why I think he might be in a slow motion death spiral and fighting to hold his position at the top of the GOP pundit food chain. time will tell if he's able to stay there or if he'll crater and die.

i'm still not seeing any coherent analysis coming out of the GOP on the reasons they lost to Obama. hell, the GOP is still not able to admit that Obama won by a landslide, let alone deal with reasons for Romney's loss. what is less clear is if the Republican pundits are being deliberately stupid or if they really don't understand why nobody trusts them OR the GOP right now.
 
2012-11-19 02:12:46 PM
The real reason why the GOP's future is bright:

1) The electorate is stupid and they have a short memory.
 
2012-11-19 02:18:07 PM
TFA: Furthermore, the party's position on gay marriage and abortion "are an awkward fit with its hostility to government intervention." The Republican Party is far more flexible than most people believe.

fireden.net
 
2012-11-19 02:18:58 PM

Lando Lincoln: The real reason why the GOP's future is bright:

1) The electorate is stupid and they have a short memory.


except that right now, the GOP pundits are busy calling voters stupid, fat and lazy. sure, people might have a short memory for policy details...but almost everyone remembers it when Rush Limbaugh gets in your face and calls you a f*cking lazy deadbeat.
 
2012-11-19 02:28:11 PM
1. The world should end before Obama can force everyone to get gay-married.
 
2012-11-19 02:30:11 PM

Weaver95: what is less clear is if the Republican pundits are being deliberately stupid or if they really don't understand why nobody trusts them OR the GOP right now.


Weaver95: except that right now, the GOP pundits are busy calling voters stupid, fat and lazy. sure, people might have a short memory for policy details...but almost everyone remembers it when Rush Limbaugh gets in your face and calls you a f*cking lazy deadbeat.


You answered your own question. The people with an actual platform on teh right just do not get it and they are never going to. Republican party is in a death spiral and they will not pull out of it.
 
2012-11-19 02:42:08 PM
Why is the "Unlikely" tag dressed up as the "Obvious" tag? Halloween is over.
 
2012-11-19 02:50:36 PM

Cythraul: You're delusional if you think the Democrats are as fractured as is the current state of your party.


This is quite true, but I felt the very same way about the Democratic party in 2004, and they seem to have recovered nicely.
 
2012-11-19 02:52:16 PM

Cythraul: 3. The Democrats may have their own civil war

You're delusional if you think the Democrats are as fractured as is the current state of your party.


Yeah serious WTF? Democrats are the most united I have ever seen. This election they all bucked up and voted for each other even when they didn't agree. I have never seen so much unity from the Democrats.
 
2012-11-19 02:53:02 PM

sammyk: Weaver95: what is less clear is if the Republican pundits are being deliberately stupid or if they really don't understand why nobody trusts them OR the GOP right now.

Weaver95: except that right now, the GOP pundits are busy calling voters stupid, fat and lazy. sure, people might have a short memory for policy details...but almost everyone remembers it when Rush Limbaugh gets in your face and calls you a f*cking lazy deadbeat.

You answered your own question. The people with an actual platform on teh right just do not get it and they are never going to. Republican party is in a death spiral and they will not pull out of it.


to an extent, maybe. there IS a difference between the Limbaugh faction of the GOP and the money men behind the scenes. I honestly don't know if the GOP is flat out delusional or if they really can change their party and move back towards the middle. it's theoretically possible for the Republicans to rebuild trust with the voters...but it would take time and a LOT of work.

what concerns me is the weirdly delusional GOP belief that they did nothing wrong, and that Obama didn't win, Romney could have beaten him 'if only'. if the Republicans can't acknowledge the fact that they screwed up badly then they can't start to fix their internal issues.
 
2012-11-19 02:59:06 PM

Corvus: Cythraul: 3. The Democrats may have their own civil war

You're delusional if you think the Democrats are as fractured as is the current state of your party.

Yeah serious WTF? Democrats are the most united I have ever seen. This election they all bucked up and voted for each other even when they didn't agree. I have never seen so much unity from the Democrats.


I think it's less that the Democrats are unified and more that the GOP plans for the nation have disgusted so many voters that everyone went out for Obama rather than suffer through a Romney administration. I know that i've got some issues with Obama and the Democrats but my choice is between a mildly right of center Obama administration or an extreme right wing theocratic administration that plans on encouraging vulture capitalism while starting yet another war in the middle east.
 
2012-11-19 03:00:48 PM
Until they stop this, they will remain on the sidelines
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2012-11-19 03:03:59 PM
4. The electoral map isn't that forbidding

Huh? Hispanics are younger folk are going to flip Texas and Arizona blue in the next ten years. A lot of the crotchety old Republicans will die off.

It's game over for Republicans unless they toss out the fruits and nuts and lay off the batshiat.
 
2012-11-19 03:04:06 PM
The Republican Party is far more flexible than most people believe.

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2012-11-19 03:10:30 PM

L.D. Ablo: 4. The electoral map isn't that forbidding

Huh? Hispanics are younger folk are going to flip Texas and Arizona blue in the next ten years. A lot of the crotchety old Republicans will die off.

It's game over for Republicans unless they toss out the fruits and nuts and lay off the batshiat.


Tossing out the fruits? If anything, the Republicans have taken a very broad stance with regard to homosexuality.
 
2012-11-19 03:18:02 PM

Cythraul: 3. The Democrats may have their own civil war

You're delusional if you think the Democrats are as fractured as is the current state of your party.


Thinking that a primary fight between Biden and CLinton is akin to a "civil war" is the very essence of delusional. That is jostling for power, NOT an internal ideological devide.
 
2012-11-19 03:41:38 PM

doyner: Cythraul: 3. The Democrats may have their own civil war

You're delusional if you think the Democrats are as fractured as is the current state of your party.

Thinking that a primary fight between Biden and CLinton is akin to a "civil war" is the very essence of delusional. That is jostling for power, NOT an internal ideological devide.


There is an ideological divide in the Democrat party. Right now, we all stand together against a common enemy. That won't last forever.
 
2012-11-19 03:45:35 PM

simplicimus: There is an ideological divide in the Democrat party. Right now, we all stand together against a common enemy. That won't last forever.


There is to a point, but no more so than what's natural for any party to have. Of course the Democratic party is made up of many factions. Single-issue voters on such issues as gay rights and women's rights, the environmental lobby, income equality, social safety nets, etc. The difference is there's a LOT of overlap in those sets. Most people who favor gay rights, for instance, are also in favor of women's rights to their medical decisions. Most environmentalists also believe in a strong social safety net.

The GOP, on the other hand, lacks that sort of cohesion these days. Say someone REALLY hates gays, but they're also dirt poor and could really use some government help. Sort of hard to convince people to vote against their own interests, especially in economic hard times.
 
2012-11-19 03:47:37 PM

simplicimus: ideological devide.

There is an ideological divide in the Democrat party. Right now, we all stand together against a common enemy. That won't last forever.


it doesn't have to last forever...it only has to outlast the Republican party. which at this rate is gonna fall apart sometime next year.
 
2012-11-19 03:51:07 PM

nekom: The GOP, on the other hand, lacks that sort of cohesion these days. Say someone REALLY hates gays, but they're also dirt poor and could really use some government help. Sort of hard to convince people to vote against their own interests, especially in economic hard times.


It hasn't been hard for the GOP thus far. That's why the most impoverished states are solidly red.
 
2012-11-19 04:09:04 PM

simplicimus: There is an ideological divide in the Democrat party. Right now, we all stand together against a common enemy. That won't last forever.


"We"? There is no political party in America named the "Democrat Party," you know.
 
2012-11-19 04:11:54 PM

Weaver95: I think it's less that the Democrats are unified and more that the GOP plans for the nation have disgusted so many voters that everyone went out for Obama rather than suffer through a Romney administration. I know that i've got some issues with Obama and the Democrats but my choice is between a mildly right of center Obama administration or an extreme right wing theocratic administration that plans on encouraging vulture capitalism while starting yet another war in the middle east.


I agree. I think the Tea Party made Democrats go "WTF" and made them more united. I wasn't giving the reason why they were more united, but they are.
 
2012-11-19 04:13:14 PM
The number one reason we can ALL be hopeful about the future?

Because it involves the collapse of the Republican party.
 
2012-11-19 04:18:34 PM

Corvus: Weaver95: I think it's less that the Democrats are unified and more that the GOP plans for the nation have disgusted so many voters that everyone went out for Obama rather than suffer through a Romney administration. I know that i've got some issues with Obama and the Democrats but my choice is between a mildly right of center Obama administration or an extreme right wing theocratic administration that plans on encouraging vulture capitalism while starting yet another war in the middle east.

I agree. I think the Tea Party made Democrats go "WTF" and made them more united. I wasn't giving the reason why they were more united, but they are.



Actually I think the Dems have been rather united since Gore lost in 2000 because he distanced himself from the popular Clinton years and environmentalism- which he's an expert at.  Agree with his ideas on the environment all you want, it became pretty clear in his post-VP career that his ideas on the environment would have been popular.
 
Now I can't think of a single splinter issue in the Democratic party.  Of course they have their far-left crazies, as every party has.  But they don't let them anywhere near the main stage.
 
2012-11-19 04:20:33 PM

downstairs: Now I can't think of a single splinter issue in the Democratic party.  Of course they have their far-left crazies, as every party has.  But they don't let them anywhere near the main stage.


A lot of people wish they were more liberal and less moderate conservative. They fear the crazies in the Republican party more than the ineptitude of the Democrats.
 
2012-11-19 04:22:45 PM

Happy Hours: Because Democrats control Congress and the White House strangely absent?


Is that why Dems won so big in 2012?
 
2012-11-19 04:25:51 PM

Weaver95: sammyk: Weaver95: what is less clear is if the Republican pundits are being deliberately stupid or if they really don't understand why nobody trusts them OR the GOP right now.

Weaver95: except that right now, the GOP pundits are busy calling voters stupid, fat and lazy. sure, people might have a short memory for policy details...but almost everyone remembers it when Rush Limbaugh gets in your face and calls you a f*cking lazy deadbeat.

You answered your own question. The people with an actual platform on teh right just do not get it and they are never going to. Republican party is in a death spiral and they will not pull out of it.

to an extent, maybe. there IS a difference between the Limbaugh faction of the GOP and the money men behind the scenes. I honestly don't know if the GOP is flat out delusional or if they really can change their party and move back towards the middle. it's theoretically possible for the Republicans to rebuild trust with the voters...but it would take time and a LOT of work.

what concerns me is the weirdly delusional GOP belief that they did nothing wrong, and that Obama didn't win, Romney could have beaten him 'if only'. if the Republicans can't acknowledge the fact that they screwed up badly then they can't start to fix their internal issues.


They have not been very good at taking responsibility for this loss--they've been blaming everyone else for it--the electorate, the candidates, the liberal media--but not their own retarded Stone Age political ideologies.

And frankly, I hope they keep it up. I tend to notice liberals being able to take a loss and reflect--in any capacity. Conservatives stew over this shiat. Roe vs. Wade anyone?
 
2012-11-19 04:26:35 PM
On the plus side, it's not as bad as it could be.

On the minus side, it's not as good as it should be.
 
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