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(Newser)   Elmo Accuser Recants His Recant   (newser.com) divider line 37
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jvl
2012-11-19 04:02:40 PM
4 votes:
Lesson one: Do not date someone thirty years younger than you. That was just avoidable idiocy on Clash's part.
2012-11-19 01:14:59 PM
4 votes:
Justice needs to be served one way or the other, but...

Last week, the Smoking Gun took a look at Stephens, a struggling model/actor who has been arrested a few times on charges ranging from passing a bad check to reckless driving to robbing a former employer at knifepoint.

...the accuser isn't exactly holding a strong hand.
2012-11-19 04:06:36 PM
3 votes:
Why doesn't this crazy grifter-whore go to the police to report the 'crime' instead of TMZ?

Oh right, it's because he's a crazy grifter-whore.
2012-11-19 02:25:56 PM
3 votes:
This sounded sketchy as hell when it first broke. 3 story switches later and it still sounds sketchy as hell.
2012-11-19 01:19:30 PM
3 votes:

Walker: Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.

No. Looks like he was paid off to change his story (it's a fact he was as the article states) and it was eating at him.


That's an interpretation. I could just as easily interpret that his lawyers told him he could fleece more money.

So let's not jump to conclusions.
2012-11-19 01:12:22 PM
3 votes:
Looks like this scumbag wants more money.
2012-11-19 03:33:41 PM
2 votes:
So get the police involved. Either a crime was committed or not. If so, he's required to give evidence. If not, he's guilty of extortion. In either case someone should be jailbound here.
2012-11-19 02:07:04 PM
2 votes:
The mob definition of an honest man - once he's bought, he stays bought.
2012-11-19 01:50:42 PM
2 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: Walker: it's a fact

It's a claim. Should be easy to prove if true.


If the Sesame folks did an investigation, I can't believe they would cover for someone having sex with an underage boy.

Sesame Workshop has way too much to lose to go all Penn State. Their business IS products and entertainment for children. To harbor someone who had sex with a minor would kill the company dead.
2012-11-19 01:15:38 PM
2 votes:

Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.


No. Looks like he was paid off to change his story (it's a fact he was as the article states) and it was eating at him.
2012-11-20 03:18:09 AM
1 votes:

rooftop235: [3.bp.blogspot.com image 320x320]


This. And to the guy who keeps trolling, calling Clash a pedo, do some actual research into what a pedophile is before you say stupid things on the internet. In most states, not only is 16 legal but pedophilia refers to a lust for prepubescent people. 16 is post-pubescent. You just make yourself look stupid when you talk so for the benefit of the rest of Fark STOP FARKING TALKING.

Also, stop thinking the way TMZ wants you to think, you brain-damaged little harpy.
2012-11-20 02:31:18 AM
1 votes:

ElBarto79: And on another note; Jerry Seinfeld, at the height of his fame, was dating a 16 year old and no one said anything about it, not even her parents. Is there a double standard here where a heterosexual relationship with a very young girl is ok, even if some people shake their heads, but a homosexual one is criminal?


It wasn't okay to me, but nobody asked me.

Though I remember a story about a ticket-taker at a movie theater who made it a point of telling Jerry's girlfriend that he only let her into an R-rated movie because she had "her father" with her. Like to buy that guy a beer someday.
2012-11-19 11:33:11 PM
1 votes:
Look... I feel bad for everyone involved, and I know Elmo was loved by children everywhere, but I have to say that if the end result of all this is a moratorium on the Elmo character, I'm going to be happy about it.

Elmo farking ruined Sesame Street, if you ask me.

I'm also just damned sick of the Elmo merchandise. You can't walk down the aisles in a department store without Elmo's voice popping up from some motion-activated toy. He's everywhere, and he needs to be stopped.

My take on all this? The guy doing the accusing was actually put to the task by Frank Oz, who was pissed that Elmo took all of Grover's press. Prior to Elmo, Grover was the lovable, cute Muppet from Sesame Street who brought in all the cool merchandising bucks (well, him and Cookie Monster before they snipped off his balls and made him eat vegetables and declare cookies a "sometimes food"). After Elmo, though, the Grover opportunities dried up. So did the merchandising paychecks for using Grover's voice on toys and other merchandise. And Oz knew he had to do something.

The last time Oz was feeling threatened was when Mr. Hooper started to get a lot of screen-time on the show. We all know what happened to Mr. Hooper, don't we?

Yes, this was all part of an elaborate plot by Frank Oz to end Elmo's reign of terror and put Grover back on top.
2012-11-19 11:06:46 PM
1 votes:

FuryOfFirestorm: Kevin72: Kevin Clash's crime isn't that he sexed the 18 year old or even 16 year old kid. It's that he was damned cheap with his time care and money and so the kid shoplifts with no direcftion. Would it have been too much trouble to also have encouraged the kid to go to school and make something of his life or at least used his connections to get him a cushy job instead of just loving and leaving the kid?

He violated Dan Savage's "Campfire rule", and now he's paying the price.


I had to look up the campsite rule, and Dan Savage is so right. Clash was cheap shortsighted and selfish and is paying the price in reputation and $1/8 million.
2012-11-19 09:15:29 PM
1 votes:
Yeah, this jerkoff's totally not a blackmailer out for a paycheck.

People who make bullshiat allegations like these help individuals like Jimmy Savile or Jerry Sandusky to carry out their crimes with impunity. Thanks asshole.
2012-11-19 08:11:14 PM
1 votes:
Here's what I think happened.

1) Guy accuses Elmo

2) Guy realizes he doesn't have much of a case, takes the buyout, might have been making the whole thing up.

3) Guy's lawyers very publicly cut ties with him, probably because he's such a fark-up

4) Guy gets new lawyers

5) New lawyers have less moral compunctions and set it up to get as much money as possible
2012-11-19 06:41:16 PM
1 votes:

tallguywithglasseson: HotWingConspiracy: Not really.

Unless you consider changing your story for money as an aid to credibility.

At best he has made it impossible to believe him one way or the other, and in the absence of any evidence...well it's time to move on to the next grift/armed robbery.

He's already said he was paid $125,000 by the Elmo guy to change his story. That's on the record.

If he can show that he really did receive $125,000 from the accused shortly before or after changing his story, it certainly helps his credibility at this point -- considering right now there's nothing to back up his claim (which, as I said, should be very easy to back up). 

And the payoff works both ways. If the Elmo guy paid him $125,000 right around the time the accuser changed his story, that's going to be a tough one for him to explain. $125k isn't "I just wanted it to go away" money.


You think it's too much to be go away money? How much do you think Elmo guy's legal team will cost from now until a determination by a court? And what about the feeding frenzy in the press? And anyone you ever slept with describing your sex life to reporters? What about the stress of a legal proceeding that might take years to get resolved? Added to which is the chance you might be found liable even if you did nothing wrong, in which case you're going to pay legals costs and the judgment.

If it were you, and you were gay (because there is a double standard), how much would you pay to not have to go through that, regardless of innocence?
2012-11-19 05:43:16 PM
1 votes:
And on another note; Jerry Seinfeld, at the height of his fame, was dating a 16 year old and no one said anything about it, not even her parents. Is there a double standard here where a heterosexual relationship with a very young girl is ok, even if some people shake their heads, but a homosexual one is criminal?
2012-11-19 05:30:13 PM
1 votes:
However this plays out, someone needs to stick a fork in Kevin Clash, because his career's totally done.
2012-11-19 04:51:43 PM
1 votes:

FraggleStickCar: A 16 year old, boy or girl, is old enough to know whether or not they want to sleep with a 45 year old.


Because of age difference and celebrity, I don't find it inconceivable that an older person can manipulate a 16 year old into doing something or entering into a relationship they may regret.
2012-11-19 04:49:39 PM
1 votes:

Cythraul: Maybe not socially acceptable for you. I really don't care if people want to have sex with someone half their age, as long as everyone involved is of legal age.


It shows a complete lack of judgement by the 40 something year old guy to sleep around with teenagers. Especially if he is the main person behind a beloved children's puppet. At that point you are just asking for your career to be destroyed and the guy deserves it. And I for one would have a major problem with any of my 40 year old plus friends banging a 16 year old. Now a 22 year old? Meh.
2012-11-19 04:45:02 PM
1 votes:
A 16 year old, boy or girl, is old enough to know whether or not they want to sleep with a 45 year old. I find it very hard to believe that he was traumatized by the experience. I'd wager dude wants more money.
2012-11-19 04:39:50 PM
1 votes:
FTFA: Stephens, a struggling model/actor who has been arrested a few times on charges ranging from passing a bad check to reckless driving to robbing a former employer at knifepoint.

Sheldon Stephens, the 23-year-old who says Elmo puppeteer Kevin Clash had sex with him when he was 16 and Clash was 45, recanted those allegations last week-but now he's recanting his recant


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2012-11-19 04:33:26 PM
1 votes:
You just can't
recant your recant
You just can't
decant some cant
And then not drink up a good sup
When your decanter's decant.

It's not right,
it's really not decent
To re-cant your recant so recent
You must stick,
stick to your story
If you aim for the glory.

So shut up,
shut the fark up
Go away and play
with your money
Cause when you
take it to fake it
You've signed a contract, honey.
2012-11-19 04:11:50 PM
1 votes:
i586.photobucket.com
2012-11-19 04:02:43 PM
1 votes:
Almost every person I know that was molested was a farking train wreck; at least for a little while anyway. I can see this being true and the kid originally taking the money because he didn't think he'd ever seeing justice with his history.

That said, who knows? The real problem here is that CTW made Kevin a public figure over the last few years and they're deeply regretting it now. Clash has admitted to sleeping with the guy, so either way, they've got a sex scandal on their hands. Either he likes sex with men less than half his age or he's a sexual predator. Neither of these outcomes are socially acceptable.
2012-11-19 04:02:33 PM
1 votes:
1. Crazy & Unstable
2. Figures he can sell story for more money
3. Loves the attention
2012-11-19 03:55:41 PM
1 votes:

Slaxl: Walker: Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.

No. Looks like he was paid off to change his story (it's a fact he was as the article states) and it was eating at him.

Everything articles state are facts now? Good grief.


Uh, bonjour.
2012-11-19 03:50:04 PM
1 votes:
Ef you, pay me.
2012-11-19 03:38:22 PM
1 votes:
This idiot little twink doesn't get it. He accepted a settlement. He doesn't now get to say "Here's your money back. I was pressured." He has no credibility now. Actually, he had very little to begin with. Had he any proof of this, he would have gone to the police and worried about the civil liability part later. He's trying to shake Clash down.
2012-11-19 03:34:28 PM
1 votes:

Diogenes: Justice needs to be served one way or the other, but...

Last week, the Smoking Gun took a look at Stephens, a struggling model/actor who has been arrested a few times on charges ranging from passing a bad check to reckless driving to robbing a former employer at knifepoint.

...the accuser isn't exactly holding a strong hand.


And it's totally impossible that someone (an abuser) would prey on someone with such a history, or that a troubled soul (perhaps there was some OTHER abuse - not Elmo-related - in his past) would again find himself in trouble?

// as you say, justice needs to be served one way or t'other
// but let's not jump to any conclusion other than "this story is farked more ways from more days than Sasha Grey's calendar"
2012-11-19 02:16:01 PM
1 votes:

FirstNationalBastard: If the Sesame folks did an investigation, I can't believe they would cover for someone having sex with an underage boy.


The claim I was referring to was being paid $125,000 by the accused to change his story.

You don't need an investigation or anything to show receipt of a $125,000 payment.

While it wouldn't prove that the rest of his story is true, it would help his credibility, which appears to be in need of some help at the moment.
2012-11-19 01:51:19 PM
1 votes:
Over the weekend, TMZ reported that Clash had paid Stephens $125,000 to recant his story

My take away from all of this is that I had no idea puppeteering paid so well.
2012-11-19 01:39:28 PM
1 votes:
He discredits his story even more with each flip-flop.

Or, as has been said, Someone was convinced they could get MORE money.
2012-11-19 01:38:38 PM
1 votes:
And it looks like this dude is talking to new lawyers since the Sandusky firm dropped his ass.
2012-11-19 01:32:47 PM
1 votes:

Walker: Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.

No. Looks like he was paid off to change his story (it's a fact he was as the article states) and it was eating at him.


Considering his past, my guess is he wants more money.

He has been arrested in the past for knife point robbery from a music manager for whom he interned, passing bad checks and reckless driving.
2012-11-19 01:19:46 PM
1 votes:

Walker: Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.

No. Looks like he was paid off to change his story (it's a fact he was as the article states) and it was eating at him.


FTA: (he was reportedly crying during the negotiations while saying he didn't want to sign)

Reported by whom? His lawyers?
 
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