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2012-11-19 04:45:02 PM
A 16 year old, boy or girl, is old enough to know whether or not they want to sleep with a 45 year old. I find it very hard to believe that he was traumatized by the experience. I'd wager dude wants more money.
 
2012-11-19 04:49:32 PM

Sybarite: Over the weekend, TMZ reported that Clash had paid Stephens $125,000 to recant his story

My take away from all of this is that I had no idea puppeteering paid so well.


We don't. I'm a puppeteer and puppet builder, and I assure you, the money is terrible. Beats the hell out of a 9-5 though.
 
2012-11-19 04:49:39 PM

Cythraul: Maybe not socially acceptable for you. I really don't care if people want to have sex with someone half their age, as long as everyone involved is of legal age.


It shows a complete lack of judgement by the 40 something year old guy to sleep around with teenagers. Especially if he is the main person behind a beloved children's puppet. At that point you are just asking for your career to be destroyed and the guy deserves it. And I for one would have a major problem with any of my 40 year old plus friends banging a 16 year old. Now a 22 year old? Meh.
 
2012-11-19 04:51:43 PM

FraggleStickCar: A 16 year old, boy or girl, is old enough to know whether or not they want to sleep with a 45 year old.


Because of age difference and celebrity, I don't find it inconceivable that an older person can manipulate a 16 year old into doing something or entering into a relationship they may regret.
 
2012-11-19 04:53:11 PM
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"BUTTSECKS!!"
 
2012-11-19 05:01:02 PM
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What a gay puppeteer may look like
 
2012-11-19 05:01:13 PM
Elmo paid $125,000 to get the dude to recant. If that isn't the act of a guilty puppet, I don't know what is. If someone made that accusation against me I'd want to defend myself in court.

Elmo is a perv.
 
2012-11-19 05:01:37 PM

That Guy...From That Show!: Snarfangel: You can't recant your recant.

Decant?


Re-re can't.
 
2012-11-19 05:02:52 PM
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2012-11-19 05:03:44 PM
Show me on the Elmo doll where he touched you?

Whaaaaaaaaaaa!

Bad choice of doll there, Lou.
 
2012-11-19 05:05:52 PM

Coelacanth: I'm from an old Hollywood family, and when I was a kid, I used to sit at the dinner table listen to my grandparents and their friends talk about the old days. There has always been grifters trying to fleece celebrities. The only difference that in the old days, your agent or the studio you worked for would take drastic steps to protect you.

For instance, some guy living in Mexico tried to blackmail Joan Crawford by threatening to hand over a complete collection of all of her old porn movies to the press. A few days later, his house was burned down and the blackmailer was found floating face down in the ocean.


It ain't no wonder she hated wire hangers so much. I bet they didn't even have rubbers back then.
 
2012-11-19 05:15:32 PM
But is it recant recant or just recant
 
2012-11-19 05:21:08 PM

FraggleStickCar: A 16 year old, boy or girl, is old enough to know whether or not they want to sleep with a 45 year old. I find it very hard to believe that he was traumatized by the experience. I'd wager dude wants more money.


If the statute of limitations has long since expired, then there's only two reasons to do it: 1) money; 2) getting a civil judgment would be the next best thing to criminal prosecution (e.g. O.J. Simpson...not a statute of limitation issue, but certainly people who didn't need the money).
 
2012-11-19 05:25:00 PM
Link

This week in Unnecessary Censorship! Sesame Street edition
 
2012-11-19 05:28:19 PM
Word is that he recanted he recant after getting ripped off buying a letter O from a muppet with the hush money.

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2012-11-19 05:29:14 PM
dude once you recant your credibility is lost , give it up.
 
2012-11-19 05:30:13 PM
However this plays out, someone needs to stick a fork in Kevin Clash, because his career's totally done.
 
2012-11-19 05:36:00 PM
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2012-11-19 05:36:35 PM

rockmeamadeus: Walker: Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.

No. Looks like he was paid off to change his story (it's a fact he was as the article states) and it was eating at him.


If the guy had an actual case, you know with real evidence and stuff, he'd be a fool to accept a 125 k settlement, and his lawyers wouldn't let him. The victims in the Sandusky case are likely going to be getting a few million each. This sounds much more like someone who realized how easy it was to squeeze some cash out of his rich ex-boyfriend and is now coming back for more. Seriously, a few weeks, a few meetings with lawyers, sign a few papers and the moneys in his account, piece of cake! He has a history of financial trouble and criminal behavior so this is hardly a stretch.

If I were the defendant I would have my lawyers issue a very stern letter, something to the effect of "you have 2 days to issue a full retraction and accept the original terms or we will come at you for defamation, lost wages and anything else we can think of" If the lawyers realize they have no case and the defendant is not going to give anymore money and is fully prepared to go to court then they will likely take the money and run.
 
2012-11-19 05:42:45 PM

ElBarto79: rockmeamadeus: Walker: Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.

No. Looks like he was paid off to change his story (it's a fact he was as the article states) and it was eating at him.

If the guy had an actual case, you know with real evidence and stuff, he'd be a fool to accept a 125 k settlement, and his lawyers wouldn't let him. The victims in the Sandusky case are likely going to be getting a few million each. This sounds much more like someone who realized how easy it was to squeeze some cash out of his rich ex-boyfriend and is now coming back for more. Seriously, a few weeks, a few meetings with lawyers, sign a few papers and the moneys in his account, piece of cake! He has a history of financial trouble and criminal behavior so this is hardly a stretch.

If I were the defendant I would have my lawyers issue a very stern letter, something to the effect of "you have 2 days to issue a full retraction and accept the original terms or we will come at you for defamation, lost wages and anything else we can think of" If the lawyers realize they have no case and the defendant is not going to give anymore money and is fully prepared to go to court then they will likely take the money and run.


At least these guys weren't eating him...
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2012-11-19 05:43:16 PM
And on another note; Jerry Seinfeld, at the height of his fame, was dating a 16 year old and no one said anything about it, not even her parents. Is there a double standard here where a heterosexual relationship with a very young girl is ok, even if some people shake their heads, but a homosexual one is criminal?
 
2012-11-19 05:44:05 PM
I'm going to guess that he found out how much was going to be left after paying the lawyers and Uncle Sam and realized it wasn't even going to cover his outstanding debts.
 
2012-11-19 05:44:28 PM
I wonder if the kid asked Clash to do the Elmo voice when he came?
 
2012-11-19 05:46:44 PM

DrewCurtisJr: FraggleStickCar: A 16 year old, boy or girl, is old enough to know whether or not they want to sleep with a 45 year old.

Because of age difference and celebrity, I don't find it inconceivable that an older person can manipulate a 16 year old into doing something or entering into a relationship they may regret.


I think this influence would just work as well regardless of the persons age.
 
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2012-11-19 05:54:56 PM

Sandsnake: "Elmo's 55 year old puppeteer likes gay sex with barely-legal men" isn't exactly positive publicity in the "parent of young children" demographic.


I would be more bothered if my 16 year old was still watching Sesame Street.

/must have missed the story about Clash being attracted to his show's target audience
 
2012-11-19 05:58:40 PM
Someone should just shove a vibrating Elmo dildo into that kid's mouth. It's so easy to say "I've been pressured into taking a huge sum of money!".
 
2012-11-19 06:04:54 PM
Fuzzy red handjobs.

That is all.

/"Elmo sticky!" 
 
2012-11-19 06:07:45 PM
Tickle Me Hellmo.

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2012-11-19 06:08:19 PM

Kevin72: Kevin Clash's crime isn't that he sexed the 18 year old or even 16 year old kid. It's that he was damned cheap with his time care and money and so the kid shoplifts with no direcftion. Would it have been too much trouble to also have encouraged the kid to go to school and make something of his life or at least used his connections to get him a cushy job instead of just loving and leaving the kid?


He violated Dan Savage's "Campfire rule", and now he's paying the price.
 
2012-11-19 06:08:32 PM
This is blackmale. Pure and simple.
 
2012-11-19 06:10:16 PM

fickenchucker: If doinking 16yo boys is good if done by hottie MILFs, and being gay is OK, then doinking the kid was fine.


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What makes you think it's socially acceptable for MILFs?
 
2012-11-19 06:16:38 PM

tallguywithglasseson: HotWingConspiracy: Not really.

Unless you consider changing your story for money as an aid to credibility.

At best he has made it impossible to believe him one way or the other, and in the absence of any evidence...well it's time to move on to the next grift/armed robbery.

He's already said he was paid $125,000 by the Elmo guy to change his story. That's on the record.

If he can show that he really did receive $125,000 from the accused shortly before or after changing his story, it certainly helps his credibility at this point -- considering right now there's nothing to back up his claim (which, as I said, should be very easy to back up). 

And the payoff works both ways. If the Elmo guy paid him $125,000 right around the time the accuser changed his story, that's going to be a tough one for him to explain. $125k isn't "I just wanted it to go away" money.


Totally! Someone who signs a nondisclosure agreement giving away their chance at justice for a check has some remaining credibility when they then recants on their recant.
 
2012-11-19 06:18:47 PM

Dr Dreidel: Diogenes: Justice needs to be served one way or the other, but...

Last week, the Smoking Gun took a look at Stephens, a struggling model/actor who has been arrested a few times on charges ranging from passing a bad check to reckless driving to robbing a former employer at knifepoint.

...the accuser isn't exactly holding a strong hand.

And it's totally impossible that someone (an abuser) would prey on someone with such a history, or that a troubled soul (perhaps there was some OTHER abuse - not Elmo-related - in his past) would again find himself in trouble?

// as you say, justice needs to be served one way or t'other
// but let's not jump to any conclusion other than "this story is farked more ways from more days than Sasha Grey's calendar"


Sex with a willing 16-year-old isn't abuse. It's probably a bad idea, but everybody's having a good time.
 
2012-11-19 06:25:42 PM

acaciaavenue: $125k to take it up the @ss? Don't tell my wife that, or I'll never afford being able to get in the backdoor.


You should get in on her groupon.
 
2012-11-19 06:29:25 PM

Itchy Feets: Sybarite: Over the weekend, TMZ reported that Clash had paid Stephens $125,000 to recant his story

My take away from all of this is that I had no idea puppeteering paid so well.

We don't. I'm a puppeteer and puppet builder, and I assure you, the money is terrible. Beats the hell out of a 9-5 though.


Are you a star TV puppeteer? I didn't think so.

/Everybody in TV and studio features makes stupid money.
 
2012-11-19 06:33:31 PM
But have those responsible for sacking the people who have just been sacked, been sacked?
 
2012-11-19 06:34:12 PM

dejavoodoo64: Coelacanth: I'm from an old Hollywood family, and when I was a kid, I used to sit at the dinner table listen to my grandparents and their friends talk about the old days. There has always been grifters trying to fleece celebrities. The only difference that in the old days, your agent or the studio you worked for would take drastic steps to protect you.

For instance, some guy living in Mexico tried to blackmail Joan Crawford by threatening to hand over a complete collection of all of her old porn movies to the press. A few days later, his house was burned down and the blackmailer was found floating face down in the ocean.

It ain't no wonder she hated wire hangers so much. I bet they didn't even have rubbers back then.


How much would you bet? Because I will cover that action.
 
2012-11-19 06:41:16 PM

tallguywithglasseson: HotWingConspiracy: Not really.

Unless you consider changing your story for money as an aid to credibility.

At best he has made it impossible to believe him one way or the other, and in the absence of any evidence...well it's time to move on to the next grift/armed robbery.

He's already said he was paid $125,000 by the Elmo guy to change his story. That's on the record.

If he can show that he really did receive $125,000 from the accused shortly before or after changing his story, it certainly helps his credibility at this point -- considering right now there's nothing to back up his claim (which, as I said, should be very easy to back up). 

And the payoff works both ways. If the Elmo guy paid him $125,000 right around the time the accuser changed his story, that's going to be a tough one for him to explain. $125k isn't "I just wanted it to go away" money.


You think it's too much to be go away money? How much do you think Elmo guy's legal team will cost from now until a determination by a court? And what about the feeding frenzy in the press? And anyone you ever slept with describing your sex life to reporters? What about the stress of a legal proceeding that might take years to get resolved? Added to which is the chance you might be found liable even if you did nothing wrong, in which case you're going to pay legals costs and the judgment.

If it were you, and you were gay (because there is a double standard), how much would you pay to not have to go through that, regardless of innocence?
 
2012-11-19 06:45:20 PM

gingerjet: Cythraul: Looks like this scumbag wants more money.

Because 45 year old men never hit on 16 year olds.

/personally I think he is being railroaded by lets not pretend for a moment that Clash is some innocent wall flower


Yeah. We know that Clash and the Kid (good band name) had a relationship. The only question is whether the Kid was an illegal 16 or a barely legal 18. Clash's character doesn't look exactly stunning here either.
 
2012-11-19 06:45:30 PM

Korzine: Waldo Pepper: I don't doubt the guy but it rather dirtbag to go public. If I'm not mistaken there no doubt that there was sex between these two, isn't it just about timeframe?

Yes, the main difference is that Clash says that the accuser was eighteen at the time while the accuser says he was only sixteen at the time. The difference two years makes.


sure but if you go to the middle and make it only a year difference, still illegal.
 
2012-11-19 06:50:37 PM
So if I had to guess (or just wanted to, as the case may be) I'd say that he just found out that what he has left of that 125k after the lawyers took their cut isn't enough to pay off whoever he's in debt to.
 
2012-11-19 06:50:42 PM

Itchy Feets: Sybarite: Over the weekend, TMZ reported that Clash had paid Stephens $125,000 to recant his story

My take away from all of this is that I had no idea puppeteering paid so well.

We don't. I'm a puppeteer and puppet builder, and I assure you, the money is terrible. Beats the hell out of a 9-5 though.


I would think if your the main Elmo then the money is pretty good.
 
2012-11-19 06:52:08 PM
Ok let's do the math. He recanted a recant. So he's re-re-canted. Those two 're's cancel each other out, meaning that he's canted, which is to say, not straight.

A fact which Elmo has not denied from the outset of the scandal.
 
2012-11-19 06:53:52 PM
Wow. Coming to the aid of a pedophile? All of a sudden fark readers demand facts? Want the media to put forth more information before forming an opinion. Wow. Color me surprised.
 
2012-11-19 06:57:00 PM

ElBarto79: And on another note; Jerry Seinfeld, at the height of his fame, was dating a 16 year old and no one said anything about it, not even her parents. Is there a double standard here where a heterosexual relationship with a very young girl is ok, even if some people shake their heads, but a homosexual one is criminal?


I don't know, I think this has not been as big of a story because he is gay. If he had sex with a 16yr or 18yr old girl, I have a feeling he would have been fired and called all sorts of names.

Even if the guy was 18 when they first had sex, he was still be courted at 16 and being that the older man works for the CTW and is the main voice of Elmo makes this so wrong.

Jerry Lee Lewis got booed off the stage for marrying his young cousin, yet had he not been a star nobody would have cared.

One has to use a stronger common sense when you work with children.
 
2012-11-19 07:02:54 PM

rattchett: You think it's too much to be go away money?


If he didn't do anything wrong? Yeah, $125,000 is a little steep, especially since his side of the story was already that they had consensual sexual relationship, just that the accuser was over 18.

DerpHerder: Someone who signs a nondisclosure agreement giving away their chance at justice for a check


If -- if -- his claim about the cash is true, he was paid to change his story from a consensual underage sex to consensual 18+ sex.
That's some non-disclosure there, DerpHerder. 

And what justice was he seeking exactly? Something like a cash settlement?
 
2012-11-19 07:06:27 PM
Well TMZ's quoting a "settlement document". If you can't trust TMZ, who can you trust?

Also according to TMZ, holy shiat Wayne Gretzky's daughter is hot.
 
2012-11-19 07:09:02 PM
I know it would be impossible but it should be against the law to settle out of court on child sex abuse cases.

I realize 16 is sort of borderline and maybe not really abuse but still, the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, I'm sure a great bit of hollywood, waiting for the shoe to drop on the Girl Scouts one day
 
2012-11-19 07:10:50 PM
Do not deElmo, please.

Learn how to separate the character from the person, plz.

Elmo is a good guy.

Thank you.
 
2012-11-19 07:12:23 PM

Waldo Pepper: I know it would be impossible but it should be against the law to settle out of court on child sex abuse cases.

I realize 16 is sort of borderline and maybe not really abuse but still, the Catholic Church, Boy Scouts, I'm sure a great bit of hollywood, waiting for the shoe to drop on the Girl Scouts one day


Waitaminute, aren't you a white, evangelical Christian?

Your vote doesn't count.
 
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