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(Christian Science Monitor)   As the violence in their country escalates, ordinary Israelis ponder the question famously posed by Leo Tolstoy: "War. What is it good for?"   (csmonitor.com ) divider line
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2012-11-19 10:21:56 AM  
4 votes:
"If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar
2012-11-19 11:09:05 AM  
3 votes:

hdhale: It's easy to blame the Israelis because they are supposed to be "better" than the militants and not resort to violence, but what does that say about the militants and those that support them? What about the majority of the population that elected the militants to speak for them? Are they lesser people? Barbarians?


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/what about the majority of israelis that vote for the likes of netanyahu ...?
2012-11-19 10:54:08 AM  
3 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar


Israel should change it's name to "Irony".
2012-11-19 06:22:14 PM  
2 votes:

liam76: You just judged Israel a filled with enough hate to commit Genocide based on the words of one guy, but Gaza elects a group that has removing all the jews from Israel in its charter, and you are pretending they are the good guys.


For someone who's so concerned about other people's double standards, your own are pretty glaring. You're condemning others for painting Israelis with too broad a brush, and then claiming all Palestinians hold the views and beliefs of Hamas at their core, every one, because Hamas was elected to their leadership for the first time a whole 5 years ago.

That's the double standard. Those of us who see condemnable acts on both sides are the ones being balanced, dude. You're projecting your own pro-Israeli, anti-Palestinian bias.
2012-11-19 01:26:31 PM  
2 votes:

liam76: Your analysis, in a nutshell, is why you are too willfully ignorant/stupid to understand the conflict. The article goes on to explain that isn't the stance of most Israeli people. You ignore the fact that the people of Gaza elected a group who actually have removing the jews in their charter.


Palestinians elect people who fire rockets at Israel.
Israelis elect people who fire rockets at Palestinians.

They're not that different. And Israel has had plenty of official government documents and policies describing their intent to disenfranchise and remove Palestinians. What the heck do you think their illegal settlements were about?

The thing is, I don't ignore the relevant history. This has been going on a heck of a lot longer than Hamas. They're a symptom, not the cause. They were only elected in 2007, and have only existed since 1987. The issues in question date politically from today to the '40s primarily, and culturally back thousands of years.
2012-11-19 11:24:37 AM  
2 votes:
And I want to be clear; I'm not saying all Israelis, or all Palestinians, are "evil racist farks". I'm saying those chanting for war on EITHER side are. And their governments.

There's plenty of decent people on either side who are being victimized by these same farks.
2012-11-19 11:22:11 AM  
2 votes:

hdhale: Except that it's more like the guy is hiding behind his wheelchair bound girlfriend taking pokes at your wheelchair bound girlfriend hoping you'll try to punch back, so he can point a finger and claim you are no better than he is, when clearly he isn't.

Worse, your wheelchair bound girlfriend looks at you and pleads for you to stop him and no one in the crowd watching offers to help.

Fark, the crowd is convinced you are no better than the other guy looks at you with a disapproving eye every time you try to punch him. Occasionally, one them makes noises like they are going to punch you.


The reason the crowd is convinced you're no better is because you ARE punching his wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face over and over. You're trying to hit him, but you keep missing. But you keep farking swinging anyway.

As opposed to walking the fark away, or stepping around the wheelchair, or any of a host of other options. The facts are, as this article cited, many Israelis don't actually think of Palestinians as "people like us", so they're perfectly okay with "animals" getting killed.

In short; they're evil racist farks. Hamas are also evil racist farks. So in a fight between evil racist farks where it matters not one whit to me or my life which one wins, I have no reason whatsoever to support one or the other. I will simply condemn them both.

Israel is not some innocent bystander, in all this. They could have chosen to rise above the ancient racial hatreds in the region, but instead, they decided to push back with their own hatred.
2012-11-19 11:21:56 AM  
2 votes:

hdhale: Thorak: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face. Congrats, you're both beating on crippled women. That totally
solves the problem.

Except that it's more like the guy is hiding behind his wheelchair bound girlfriend taking pokes at your wheelchair bound girlfriend hoping you'll try to punch back, so he can point a finger and claim you are no better than he is, when clearly he isn't.

Worse, your wheelchair bound girlfriend looks at you and pleads for you to stop him and no one in the crowd watching offers to help.

Fark, the crowd is convinced you are no better than the other guy looks at you with a disapproving eye every time you try to punch him. Occasionally, one them makes noises like they are going to punch you.



I blame Britain and the UN for giving them girlfriends in the first place. Neither of those assholes could get a date on their own.

/Isreal is not in the right
//but they are not in the wrong, either
///but they are certainly doing everything they can to perpetuate the problem
2012-11-19 11:20:19 AM  
2 votes:
The facts are.

1. Hamas fires unguided rockets at Israel, not really caring if they blow up innocent civilians.
2. Israel uses high tech guided munitions to try to stop the rocket attacks, but due to civilian proximity, sadly there are civilian deaths.
3. Hamas parades around with killed children saying "LOOK what the Zionists did!!" while they wail and gnash their teeth, even though they invited the strikes due to fighting from civilian areas.
4. Hamas fights from civilian buildings, inviting fire that could injure or kill non combatants.
5. Hamas gets more rockets from Iran, and has a early fourth of july, screaming "god is great" while praying that the rockets land on some person's house, killing their family.
6. Israel does more guided strikes,
7. Ad nauseum.
It's never going to stop. Hamas and the Palestinians want Jerusalem, and the Israelis wont give it up. So they are going to continue to snipe at one another until Israel gets pissed off enough to roll in the tanks and start chumming up houses until gaza looks like a smoking crater.
2012-11-19 11:10:13 AM  
2 votes:

PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.



Um.  No.  8000 rockets fired into Isarael in 4 years.  One particularly bad hit last week killed 3 Israelies.  Israel got pissed.  Targeted HAMAS leadership.  And is not targeting HAMAS leadership's contacts and safe houses and rocket deployment stations (you know the ones in the playgrounds).
2012-11-19 11:10:09 AM  
2 votes:

Thorak: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face. Congrats, you're both beating on crippled women. That totally solves the problem.


Except that it's more like the guy is hiding behind his wheelchair bound girlfriend taking pokes at your wheelchair bound girlfriend hoping you'll try to punch back, so he can point a finger and claim you are no better than he is, when clearly he isn't.

Worse, your wheelchair bound girlfriend looks at you and pleads for you to stop him and no one in the crowd watching offers to help.

Fark, the crowd is convinced you are no better than the other guy looks at you with a disapproving eye every time you try to punch him. Occasionally, one them makes noises like they are going to punch you.
2012-11-19 11:06:31 AM  
2 votes:

Father_Jack: cant someone think of a solution to this never ending problem which would settle this question once and for all? some sort of "never again come up again" kind of solution, like, yknow, a last solution? that doesnt sound catchy tho. anyone help me out here?


Here's my "final solution:"

1: The palestinians accept that the two-state solution is dead. There is not going to be a Palestine. IOW; they are de facto israelis.
2: The israelis give the palestinians full rights as israeli citizens, including the right to vote and run for office.

Yes, this means giving up the "jewish state." Yes, the terrorism will continue.

/yes, i know i've posted this a few times already
2012-11-19 11:03:42 AM  
2 votes:

Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.


Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face. Congrats, you're both beating on crippled women. That totally solves the problem.
2012-11-19 11:01:39 AM  
2 votes:

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar


Yet what exactly have the Palestinians done to make him think anything else?

Sure, there are a lot of people in the Gaza region trying to get along with daily life, make homes, raise children, and would rather that people simply stop shooting at each other. But those people are never seen on TV unless one of them happens to live next to a Hamas target and took a chunk of flying concrete and now lays dying on the ground.

It's easy to blame the Israelis because they are supposed to be "better" than the militants and not resort to violence, but what does that say about the militants and those that support them? What about the majority of the population that elected the militants to speak for them? Are they lesser people? Barbarians?

If so, does it mean that like it or not, he's right?

I'll say it again: Gaza was better off under Israeli control.
2012-11-19 10:59:28 AM  
2 votes:
How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.
2012-11-19 10:26:39 AM  
2 votes:
Social engineering at its very finest.
2012-11-20 01:11:12 AM  
1 vote:
The Talmud translated into English, for reference.

And debunking sites for whatever bigoted lies acanuck is peddling (picked up from wikipedia) 1, 2, 3
2012-11-19 08:26:25 PM  
1 vote:
I yet to hear any words of sympathy from the palestinians for the Israeli civilians who have been injured or killed.
2012-11-19 07:52:53 PM  
1 vote:

Amos Quito: So vote Likud?


I have no idea why I have you noted as an antisemitic troll. I bet you're not trolling at all. I bet you actually believe the racist shiat you say.
2012-11-19 05:58:10 PM  
1 vote:

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: ISRAEL IS A BUNCH OF NAZI POOPY HEAD RACISTS!!

FREE PALESTINE, BEST COUNTRY IN WORLD!!!


Israelis are not Nazis. The're just your standard run-of-the-mill right-wing ultra-nationalists who are stuck in an outmoded 19th century view of the world, practicing apartheid and priming themselves for the final genocide of their enemies.

Not that this makes Palestinians good. They're bastards too.
2012-11-19 04:46:02 PM  
1 vote:

Uncle Tractor: liam76: So you have no defence for your glaring double standards, so you are going to pretend you are tired of hearing about them? Ok.

My "double standards" are the same old strawmen you keep trotting out over and over, each time conveniently "forgetting" that all the previous times I've explained to you that your portrayal old my words and opinions have very little in common with the reality.

It gets old.


You just judged Israel a filled with enough hate to commit Genocide based on the words of one guy, but Gaza elects a group that has removing all the jews from Israel in its charter, and you are pretending they are the good guys.

Uncle Tractor: liam76: Uncle Tractor: Where in Gaza is not in the middle of a neighborhood filled with children and civilians? the civilians are kinda concentrated there, you know?

The grey are buildings. The brown is mostly open area. Have you never actually looked at a map of Gaza?

The brown open areas are fields and orchards, where adults work and children play.


Adults sometimes work. Children sometimes play. Aren't in the middle of neighborhoods where there are always children and civilians present.

Hamas doesn't attack from there because they value the life of their fighters more than the lives of their own civilians/children.

Uncle Tractor: Liam76: they go on trial and if found guilty they are punished. Which goes against your BS claim of at will rampages.

Yeah, they are punished.


So you admit it was BS that they can rampage at will, great.

Uncle Tractor: With a slap on the wrist.


Israel, doesn't punish people who target civilians enough - bad guys.

Palestine, celebrates people who target civilians - good guys.

And yet you claim to have no double standard.
jvl
2012-11-19 04:12:10 PM  
1 vote:
I like how the press quotes casualties only from the start of the current intensification.

Apparently the more-evenly divided casualties preceding the can of whoop-ass Israel opened don't count.
2012-11-19 03:07:52 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: PsiChick: No, he stopped the Cold War from turning into an all-out nuke-fest.

True, and maybe I was mistaken, but from drox comment you were implying the cold war ended ebcause people from the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.

PsiChick: What ended the Cold War was the collapse of the Soviet Union; what gave the Soviet Union enough time to safely collapse was the public pressure.

Cold war was on it's way out beforet he collapse. It was still there, but nobbody was really afraid of nukes.

I don't think that had too much to do with public pressure.


Ah. Sorry, I was probably unclear. The Cold War's end was due to the SU collapsing, but if there hadn't been public pressure (remember all that activism in the sixties? A huge part of it was anti-nuke, anti-war activism), as well as the occasional disobedient soldier\person involved in big stuff, there wouldn't have bee enough time for that to happen. From that, we can see that occasionally public pressure functions as a safety valve of sorts, and Israel\Hamas needs pretty much a safety valve right now, far as I can see. It won't solve the root problems, but the immediate conflict will settle down.

/And FFS would both of them stop firing farking rockets at each other once it settles down.
2012-11-19 02:59:57 PM  
1 vote:

Uncle Tractor: I_C_Weener: Since 2001, over 8000 rocket attacks.   About the same in mortar attacks.  Reacting to Israel?  Really?

8000 rocket attacks that have caused ...how many israeli deaths? 28?

Meanwhile, over a thousand palestinian children have been killed since then, thousands of palestinian homes demolished, olive trees destroyed, crops ruined and farmland stolen, the colonies keep expanding, WB colonists go on rampages whenever they want, and mossad and the IDF kill whomever they want wherever and however. So yes, they're reacting to Israel.

What's 28 deaths from oversized bottle rockets when compared to that? ...but I suppose it doesn't matter when the victims are arabs.
FWIW I think Hamas should cut it out. They only thing they achieve is to give Israel an excuse to kill more arabs (which somehow makes Hamas look better, so I suppose that's why they keep doing it).

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8000 cases of attempted murder is acceptable?
2012-11-19 02:55:57 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: PsiChick: DROxINxTHExWIND: It would have done us no good to scream bloody murder with nuclear missles on the way. The reason that the Cold War did not destroy us all was the threat of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The end of the Cold War had little to do with the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.

The first person on this list is a direct counter-example.

He didn't end the cold war. The threat of him didn't end the cold war.

Near mistakes like what were in that example helped end it.


No, he stopped the Cold War from turning into an all-out nuke-fest. What ended the Cold War was the collapse of the Soviet Union; what gave the Soviet Union enough time to safely collapse was the public pressure. That's why I think, for this specific scenario, public pressure would be helpful. It's not a formally-declared war; the region's been fighting for long enough for people to get sick of it; public pressure often causes international pressure; and both countries are republics, which means that at some stage there will at least be some type of election, and while faking election results is possible, it's a pain in the ass and has serious risks.

World events aren't mysterious or spring out of nowhere, and they are possible to counter creatively, or even counter-intuitively. You just have to understand the context and type of the situation.

/Admittedly, my understanding is at Internet Commentator level, but this is Fark, so aren't we all. :p
2012-11-19 02:34:35 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: It would have done us no good to scream bloody murder with nuclear missles on the way. The reason that the Cold War did not destroy us all was the threat of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The end of the Cold War had little to do with the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.


The first person on this list is a direct counter-example.

Joe Blowme: PEACE IN OUR TIME!!!


...Even if you think Hamas is the reincarnation of Nazi Germany, you still need to pay attention in kindergarten when they teach you not to call people names.
2012-11-19 02:34:22 PM  
1 vote:

Thorak: liam76: For the record I don't thinkt here is no bul;lying going on in the WB, nor do I support the settlments, but to say that justifeis rocket attacks is absurd.

I don't think anyone's saying it justifies rocket attacks.


Hang out in these threads a little longer, you will.


Thorak: I don't think either side's been justified in the actions they've taken, and that's the root of the issue.


Depends on what actions you are talking about. In my view Israel is 100% justified in striking back when rockets launched at them


Thorak: I'm not siding with Palestine or Hamas, here.


If you are saying Israel can't strick back when rockets are launched, you are.


Thorak:I'm saying everyone's being dicks about it and pursuing war rather than peace, so maybe the rest of the world should just cut off all support for everyone and let them sort it out for themselves on their own.

If hamas spoksmen are to believed Israel did try and ask for a ceasefire, instead of talking with them Mashaal goes public bragging that it was Israel that blinks first.

When Israel pulled out of Gaza and they were treated with rockets, who was being a dick?

I can understand saying cut off support, but if you have studied it you can't hoesntly said both have made equal attempts at peace. Hamas still has removing all the jews from Israel in its charter, and have not even acknowledged its right to exist.


I do not accept that we should be picking a side in that fight.

Fine, don't pick, but don't pretend they are the same.

Thorak: That would carry more weight if Israel wasn't currently bombing the Gaza Strip.


Once again, if you don;t think Israel has the right to respond to Hamas attacks you are choosing a side.

I don't believe Israel has a real desire for peace because they keep doing things, like that, which prevent it. Retaliation may be justified, but it's absolutely not the path to peace. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" and all that. Someone needs to be the first to stop the violence, and Israel is not trying to do that. If they were to make a serious effort, sure, but they've historically shown themselves to be unwilling to agree to the kinds of compromise necessary to secure any kind of lasting peace.

Rolling over isn't a path to peace either. As I said above, what happned whent hey left Gaza? Whathapepend whent hey asked for a cease fire?

Thorak: You said that in response to one of my comments, not in response to that someone else. Don't blame me for your own misattribution


You know what, my mistake. It was you I first responded to.

You made a judgement on Israel based on one comment. You ignore that only 1 group has elected people that have a platform that calls for removingt he other group completely.
2012-11-19 02:07:13 PM  
1 vote:

Joe Blowme: That and our 2 peoples still loved life more that death, unlike the savages of Hamas Israel and their ilk


Just showing you exactly what you said there.

/Jesus H. F**k tap-dancing on a cracker, people, it is still not okay to call other people savages, animals, or otherwise indicate they are less than human. Did we learn nothing from the past fifty years?
2012-11-19 02:02:55 PM  
1 vote:

liam76: For the record I don't thinkt here is no bul;lying going on in the WB, nor do I support the settlments, but to say that justifeis rocket attacks is absurd.


I don't think anyone's saying it justifies rocket attacks. I don't think either side's been justified in the actions they've taken, and that's the root of the issue. I'm not siding with Palestine or Hamas, here. I'm saying everyone's being dicks about it and pursuing war rather than peace, so maybe the rest of the world should just cut off all support for everyone and let them sort it out for themselves on their own.

I do not accept that we should be picking a side in that fight.
2012-11-19 01:56:59 PM  
1 vote:

iserlohn: Joe Blowme: PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.

No, the 130+ rockets shot at civilians started it... this time.

Which was a reaction to the assassination no doubt...


When I read these IvP threads, and see comments this profoundly uninformed, I usually think, "Surely this is a troll, nobody is this clueless."

Then, I remember, this is Fark.

/and I'm in an IvP thread.
//it's thousands of missiles & mortars over the previous 7 years, over 800 this year prior to the assassination
///finally, Hamas got lucky with a few and actually killed some Israeli civilians, as opposed to simply blowing off a leg or scarring them for life, and also fired an anti-tank rocket at some IDF soldiers near the border
2012-11-19 01:55:16 PM  
1 vote:

DROxINxTHExWIND: PsiChick: The only way this will end is if the civilians on both sides start telling their governments in no uncertain terms that it's ceasefire time. I really, really hope that happens soon.

Yeah, how did that work for us anti-war Americans? And WE live in a Democracy.


The Cold War did not turn into a Nuclear Winter Era.

/The reason we did not fire nukes, much like the reason Russia did not fire nukes, was because average people a) would have screamed bloody murder and b) occasionally actively got in the way, such as the occasional military person refusing to give the nessecary votes for firing.
//It's not perfect, and didn't fully work, but this isn't an actual declared war (yet), and enough public pressure can stop at least some of the violence.
2012-11-19 01:27:34 PM  
1 vote:
any non-jew who criticizes Israel is an anti-semite. any non-jew who doesn't criticize Israel is a well-disciplined anti-semite.
2012-11-19 01:13:34 PM  
1 vote:
The only way this will end is if the civilians on both sides start telling their governments in no uncertain terms that it's ceasefire time. I really, really hope that happens soon.
2012-11-19 12:06:21 PM  
1 vote:
Here's what gets me about Israel: They are always inflicting disproportionate punishment on what amounts to an imprisoned population. Even before Hamas was elected to power, Israel controlled everything going in and out of Gaza, including power and water! When terrorists would snipe at IDF, the israelis would take bulldozers to the orchards and mow everything down, even though there was no proof the farmer had any knowledge of what the terrorists were doing in his goddamn orchard. So now you have these civilians whose houses and their means to make a living are destroyed...and you wonder why they back a group that claims it will fight for them.
As far as Palestinians are concerned, they are like the Irish who would like nothing better than to have the foreign occupiers out of their f*cking land.
2012-11-19 11:56:56 AM  
1 vote:

Dr Dreidel: Gaza is bigger than NYC. Gaza is also not as built up as NYC. Therefore, we assume there are many open spaces in Gaza, but we also have satellite that says so. Apparently, none of them is a "good spot" to fire rockets from.

They're not aiming at military targets. Whatever the facts of the conflict are, targeting civilians puts you in the wrong. Hamas (as an entity) has said over and again that their beef is with all Israelis everywhere, while Israel's (official, stated) beef is with militants.

The IDF takes over Hamas radio stations to warn people to clear the area they're about to bombard. They drop leaflets, informing people that the "area will be bombed because rocket fire came from that area - SO DON'T PAL AROUND WITH TERRORISTS, we will fire back." Hamas just kind of...fires (then aims).

That Iron Dome prevents civilian casualties (and that there are fewer on the Israeli side) means the Israelis are better at protecting their civilians. If Mexican paramilitary forces sent 130+ men on horseback to reconquer Texas, and they killed 3 people but lost 70, does America laugh it off? Repelling an attack doesn't negate the fact of it.

Palestinians have legitimate demands. Hamas does not. So long as Hamas speaks for Gaza, and that speech involves rocket fire, Israel has every right to force them to militarily STFU. When no one's firing on anyone else, THEN we can have some peace talks.


Nearly every single thing you have claimed in this post is factually incorrect. Just say "I really love blood. Blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood blood, or glorious blood, let me bathe in you and rub you on my nipples." At least be honest with yourself about what you really want. Stop lying to yourself, and stop lying to us.
2012-11-19 11:51:49 AM  
1 vote:
Places like this are the reason we need atheist missionaries. I doubt everything could be solved over time by convincing people that their imaginary friend in the sky likely doesn't exist, much less give two shiats about where you park your sedan, but it couldn't hurt.
2012-11-19 11:43:02 AM  
1 vote:
I find it surprising to see that so many people would be totally cool with someone coming into their home with a 2,000+ year old title deed issued by an unseen person in the sky and tossing them out.
2012-11-19 11:34:32 AM  
1 vote:

Bit'O'Gristle: /yes, because if anything, Islamic fundies are known for their reason and capability to accept change and are totally open to the "give and take" style of agreements.


You think it's only the islamists?
2012-11-19 11:23:46 AM  
1 vote:

Infernalist: Bit'O'Gristle: The facts are.

1. Hamas fires unguided rockets at Israel, not really caring if they blow up innocent civilians.
2. Israel uses high tech guided munitions to try to stop the rocket attacks, but due to civilian proximity, sadly there are civilian deaths.
3. Hamas parades around with killed children saying "LOOK what the Zionists did!!" while they wail and gnash their teeth, even though they invited the strikes due to fighting from civilian areas.
4. Hamas fights from civilian buildings, inviting fire that could injure or kill non combatants.
5. Hamas gets more rockets from Iran, and has a early fourth of july, screaming "god is great" while praying that the rockets land on some person's house, killing their family.
6. Israel does more guided strikes,
7. Ad nauseum.
It's never going to stop. Hamas and the Palestinians want Jerusalem, and the Israelis wont give it up. So they are going to continue to snipe at one another until Israel gets pissed off enough to roll in the tanks and start chumming up houses until gaza looks like a smoking crater.

I can't find any way to argue with this: This is going to stop until one side or the other is dead.

My money is on the Israelis coming out on top.

It's hard to have sympathy with people who deliberately do their best to cause civilian deaths on both sides of the border.


"isn't going to stop" ftfm

pain killers, they're gggrreeeeaaat
2012-11-19 11:22:43 AM  
1 vote:

Bit'O'Gristle: The facts are.

1. Hamas fires unguided rockets at Israel, not really caring if they blow up innocent civilians.
2. Israel uses high tech guided munitions to try to stop the rocket attacks, but due to civilian proximity, sadly there are civilian deaths.
3. Hamas parades around with killed children saying "LOOK what the Zionists did!!" while they wail and gnash their teeth, even though they invited the strikes due to fighting from civilian areas.
4. Hamas fights from civilian buildings, inviting fire that could injure or kill non combatants.
5. Hamas gets more rockets from Iran, and has a early fourth of july, screaming "god is great" while praying that the rockets land on some person's house, killing their family.
6. Israel does more guided strikes,
7. Ad nauseum.
It's never going to stop. Hamas and the Palestinians want Jerusalem, and the Israelis wont give it up. So they are going to continue to snipe at one another until Israel gets pissed off enough to roll in the tanks and start chumming up houses until gaza looks like a smoking crater.


I can't find any way to argue with this: This is going to stop until one side or the other is dead.

My money is on the Israelis coming out on top.

It's hard to have sympathy with people who deliberately do their best to cause civilian deaths on both sides of the border.
2012-11-19 11:22:30 AM  
1 vote:

I_C_Weener: PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.


Um.  No.  8000 rockets fired into Isarael in 4 years.  One particularly bad hit last week killed 3 Israelies.  Israel got pissed.  Targeted HAMAS leadership.  And is not targeting HAMAS leadership's contacts and safe houses and rocket deployment stations (you know the ones in the playgrounds).


Says the guy sitting on his ass in America somewhere. You know, I'm willing to give people the benefit of doubt on here when they give unsupported information but I hate the sensational bullshiat.

http://www.wnd.com/2012/11/photo-hamas-missile-launch-pad-near-mosque - playground

I think what you meant to say is that Hamas set up launch pads "NEAR" playgrounds, as in a block away. Your attempt to justify the Israeli slaughter of children by claiming that its all good because the bad guys were hiding behind kids is disingenuous, at best. The Gaza strip isn't the size of Texas, so it seems to me that there will ALWAYS be civilians in close proximity to military personnel. This is in NO WAY an approval of the Palestinians tactic to fire rockets into civilian territories in Israel. But, lets keep it real.
2012-11-19 11:21:01 AM  
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War.

War never changes.
2012-11-19 11:15:50 AM  
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DrBear: Friend only to the undertaker.

I didn't know Leo Tolstoy was Edwin Starr's pen name.


Don't feel bad, she didn't either:
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2012-11-19 11:05:47 AM  
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We gotta get outta this place
If its the last thing we ever do
We gotta get outta this place
Girl, there's a better life for me and you...
2012-11-19 11:05:10 AM  
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Thorak: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face. Congrats, you're both beating on crippled women. That totally solves the problem.


Problem is only one side is targeting civilians.... but by alll means dont let that get in the way of your derp
2012-11-19 11:04:04 AM  
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Arkanaut: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

You send my civilians to the hospital, I send your civilians to the morgue. That's the Israel way.


Problem is only one side is targeting civilians.... but by alll means dont let that get in the way of your derp
2012-11-19 11:02:55 AM  
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acanuck: FTFA: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people," he says, pulling at his new wedding ring as he stood outside the damaged apartment yesterday. "It's the right thing to do.".


Israel: Jewish Problems - German Solutions
2012-11-19 11:01:06 AM  
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If i lived in Israel, my question would more be along the lines of "why has this dumb shiat been going on so long, and why don't we either just roll over Hamas, or make a equitable peace plan where both sides are happy? Either way, this dumb shiat has gone on long enough.
2012-11-19 10:52:50 AM  
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It IS a great tool for ethnic cleansing.
2012-11-19 10:10:26 AM  
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Good god y'all.
2012-11-19 09:53:04 AM  
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FTFA: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people," he says, pulling at his new wedding ring as he stood outside the damaged apartment yesterday. "It's the right thing to do."

It's OK, folks. He's just citing the Talmud and what's taught regarding ALL non-Jews. But, it's forbidden for you to know that.
 
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