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(Christian Science Monitor)   As the violence in their country escalates, ordinary Israelis ponder the question famously posed by Leo Tolstoy: "War. What is it good for?"   (csmonitor.com) divider line 215
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2012-11-20 07:36:23 AM  

Frederf: Far as I can figure out Israel was awarded some land. Palestine was the indigenous people on that land. It's the classic US vs. the natives. Sorry, but the natives lost and so will Palestine. When NATO recognizes your competitor, you're done. End of story. All the cries of it's not fair don't matter. You were conquered.


No. They bought land.
 
2012-11-20 07:38:58 AM  

liam76: Where is the strawman?


If you honestly don't know what I'm talking about, then there's nothing I can do to help you. I'm tired of giving you the same explanations over and over in thread after thread. Whether you don't *want* explanations that don't fit your preconceptions (and ignore them) or your brain simply can't grasp words and meanings that don't fit your preconceptions, I don't care.

Either way, you have issues with reality.
 
2012-11-20 07:55:57 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Either way, you have issues with reality


When that comes from the guy who thinks Israel is bad because they don't punish those who target civilians enough but doesn't make a peep about palestenaians who celebrate people who target civilians, who pretends there is no place in Gaza that isn't in the middle of a neighborhood, who lies about settlers being able to kill at will, I take that as a compliment.
 
2012-11-20 12:21:44 PM  

Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Funny, how the acquisition of that territory always seemed to coincide with the joint effort to obliterate Israel.

/History--learn some and appear less stupid on Fark.


Ah, yes. The Israelis were totally justified in taking more and more land from the Palestinians.

Step 1) Piss off Palestinians in a multitide of ways
Step 2) Take more of their land when they retaliate, because you get 2 billion dollars a year from the US to spend on defense, and they can't compete with that.
Step 3) Keep repeating steps 1 and 2 until Palestine no longer exists

It's a fine line the Israelis have to walk. Keep snatching land, but don't do it too fast, or you'll get too much heat on yourselves from outsiders. They're really good at it now, playing the victim and the oppressor at the same time.

The only question that remains is if Israel is going to be satisfied with just wiping out Palestine for their own, or if they'll continue expanding their borders. I don't think we'll have an answer to that question anytime soon. Maybe 50 years from now Israel will get it in their heads that God wants them to have sections of Egypt, and then the new land grab will be on.
 
2012-11-20 01:01:43 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Funny, how the acquisition of that territory always seemed to coincide with the joint effort to obliterate Israel.

/History--learn some and appear less stupid on Fark.

Ah, yes. The Israelis were totally justified in taking more and more land from the Palestinians.

Step 1) Piss off Palestinians in a multitide of ways
Step 2) Take more of their land when they retaliate, because you get 2 billion dollars a year from the US to spend on defense, and they can't compete with that.
Step 3) Keep repeating steps 1 and 2 until Palestine no longer exists

It's a fine line the Israelis have to walk. Keep snatching land, but don't do it too fast, or you'll get too much heat on yourselves from outsiders. They're really good at it now, playing the victim and the oppressor at the same time.

The only question that remains is if Israel is going to be satisfied with just wiping out Palestine for their own, or if they'll continue expanding their borders. I don't think we'll have an answer to that question anytime soon. Maybe 50 years from now Israel will get it in their heads that God wants them to have sections of Egypt, and then the new land grab will be on.



www.globalsecurity.org

What SOME Zionists envision as Israel's "manifest destiny". 

Who can argue with G-d?
 
2012-11-20 04:59:09 PM  

Lando Lincoln: The only question that remains is if Israel is going to be satisfied with just wiping out Palestine for their own, or if they'll continue expanding their borders. I don't think we'll have an answer to that question anytime soon. Maybe 50 years from now Israel will get it in their heads that God wants them to have sections of Egypt, and then the new land grab will be on.


Wonder no more:

"It's part of the promised land," Goldmintz said. "I remind Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu that the Likud's platform included both sides of the Jordan."

The only actual debate about Israel's borders should be whether or not to return the current territory referred to as Jordan to Israel in order to correct the injustice done my the British government in violation of the Paris Peace Treaty and League of Nations Authority...
 
2012-11-20 05:26:44 PM  

Lando Lincoln: Watching_Epoxy_Cure: Funny, how the acquisition of that territory always seemed to coincide with the joint effort to obliterate Israel.

/History--learn some and appear less stupid on Fark.

Ah, yes. The Israelis were totally justified in taking more and more land from the Palestinians.

Step 1) Piss off Palestinians in a multitide of ways
Step 2) Take more of their land when they retaliate, because you get 2 billion dollars a year from the US to spend on defense, and they can't compete with that.
Step 3) Keep repeating steps 1 and 2 until Palestine no longer exists

It's a fine line the Israelis have to walk. Keep snatching land, but don't do it too fast, or you'll get too much heat on yourselves from outsiders. They're really good at it now, playing the victim and the oppressor at the same time.

The only question that remains is if Israel is going to be satisfied with just wiping out Palestine for their own, or if they'll continue expanding their borders. I don't think we'll have an answer to that question anytime soon. Maybe 50 years from now Israel will get it in their heads that God wants them to have sections of Egypt, and then the new land grab will be on.


More accusations of wiping out palestine. Sure doing a shiatty job as sixty plus years on they have a population growing faster than theirs and the standard of living beats some of their Arab neighbors.
 
2012-11-20 06:25:44 PM  

Amos Quito: [www.globalsecurity.org image 400x341]

What SOME Zionists envision as Israel's "manifest destiny". 



Lol. A picture from a nutjob conspiracy theory site (Lol, "Planet X" and "Solar System shift" craziness). The page hosting the image copy that you hotlinked cites the claim as being from Osama Bin Laden and various conspiracy theory sites.

Lol, this is the stuff you take seriously. Watch out for that Planet X hurtling towards us, AQ, before it's too late! Bahahaha
 
2012-11-20 08:00:10 PM  
It thins the population of young males, leaving more wimmins for the old dudes?

Efficiently allocates resources?

Promotes the development of technology?

This Tolstoy guy is a hack.
 
2012-11-20 10:15:06 PM  

Isildur: Amos Quito: [www.globalsecurity.org image 400x341]

What SOME Zionists envision as Israel's "manifest destiny". 


Lol. A picture from a nutjob conspiracy theory site (Lol, "Planet X" and "Solar System shift" craziness). The page hosting the image copy that you hotlinked cites the claim as being from Osama Bin Laden and various conspiracy theory sites.

Lol, this is the stuff you take seriously. Watch out for that Planet X hurtling towards us, AQ, before it's too late! Bahahaha



Oh sure, attack the host of some image I pulled from a Google Image search, denying that many Zionist nutjobs envision this as the Israel "G-d intended".

Now do Wiki.

The history of expansionist Zionist occupation for the sake of "security" (lebensraum) belies your argument, Isildur.
 
2012-11-20 11:06:20 PM  

liam76: More accusations of wiping out palestine. Sure doing a shiatty job as sixty plus years on they have a population growing faster than theirs and the standard of living beats some of their Arab neighbors.


You do understand that there's a difference between the Palestinians and the land that they're occupying, right? The Israelis aren't primarily concerned about wiping Palestinians off the Earth. They mostly just want their land.
 
2012-11-20 11:32:12 PM  

Amos Quito: Now do Wiki.



Lol -- a Wikipedia article that mixes together various biblical descriptions of ancient Israel (a country that never extended to anything remotely like your "Planet X" site's map), description of land bequeathed to Abraham according to the Bible, and modern politics. That's your evidence?

For the extent you described, it cites the bible's Genesis Genesis 15:18-21, which says "In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates". Which... actually doesn't seem too inaccurate, considering who else is considered by religious folks to have descended from Abraham. Hint.

And for further maps, the Wikipedia article links... *drum roll*... the same globalsecurity page I linked, which was providing labeled examples of nutcase sites' claims.

All in all, this is too funny. Do you actually believe all the crazy stuff you throw around? You think there's some cabal of ZOMGzIonists plotting to take over almost the entire Middle East?

(Or do you think the specific content doesn't matter, and whatever crap you can try to throw at the wall and get to stick in public view for a while is to the greater good -- annoying facts be damned -- because you think your overall message is right?)
 
2012-11-20 11:48:58 PM  

Lando Lincoln: liam76: More accusations of wiping out palestine. Sure doing a shiatty job as sixty plus years on they have a population growing faster than theirs and the standard of living beats some of their Arab neighbors.

You do understand that there's a difference between the Palestinians and the land that they're occupying, right? The Israelis aren't primarily concerned about wiping Palestinians off the Earth. They mostly just want their land.



So, most of a century since state of Israel's founding, why aren't they done with that, either?
Most Israelis just want the places where they already live to be safe. Their see-sawing back and forth between right and left wing is largely based on which party or party coalition is perceived as having a realistic plan for keeping the nation safe (with more force tending to be favored by the right wing parties, more negotiation favored by the left).
 
2012-11-21 08:18:45 AM  

Lando Lincoln: liam76: More accusations of wiping out palestine. Sure doing a shiatty job as sixty plus years on they have a population growing faster than theirs and the standard of living beats some of their Arab neighbors.

You do understand that there's a difference between the Palestinians and the land that they're occupying, right? The Israelis aren't primarily concerned about wiping Palestinians off the Earth. They mostly just want their land.


If getting land is their primary concern why did they kick their people out of Gaza?

Why were they willing to give back Sinai peninsula?
 
2012-11-21 08:26:16 AM  

Isildur: Amos Quito: Now do Wiki.


Lol -- a Wikipedia article that mixes together various biblical descriptions of ancient Israel (a country that never extended to anything remotely like your "Planet X" site's map), description of land bequeathed to Abraham according to the Bible, and modern politics. That's your evidence?

For the extent you described, it cites the bible's Genesis Genesis 15:18-21, which says "In the same day the Lord made a covenant with Abram, saying, Unto thy seed have I given this land, from the river of Egypt unto the great river, the river Euphrates". Which... actually doesn't seem too inaccurate, considering who else is considered by religious folks to have descended from Abraham. Hint.

And for further maps, the Wikipedia article links... *drum roll*... the same globalsecurity page I linked, which was providing labeled examples of nutcase sites' claims.

All in all, this is too funny. Do you actually believe all the crazy stuff you throw around? You think there's some cabal of ZOMGzIonists plotting to take over almost the entire Middle East?

(Or do you think the specific content doesn't matter, and whatever crap you can try to throw at the wall and get to stick in public view for a while is to the greater good -- annoying facts be damned -- because you think your overall message is right?)


This Amos you are talking about.

In dozens of these threads touching on all sorts of outrageous theories on Jews I have never once see him say he doesn't believe them. A lot of 'I never said that's but no 'I don't believe that'.
 
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