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(Christian Science Monitor)   As the violence in their country escalates, ordinary Israelis ponder the question famously posed by Leo Tolstoy: "War. What is it good for?"   (csmonitor.com) divider line 215
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2012-11-19 02:02:55 PM

liam76: For the record I don't thinkt here is no bul;lying going on in the WB, nor do I support the settlments, but to say that justifeis rocket attacks is absurd.


I don't think anyone's saying it justifies rocket attacks. I don't think either side's been justified in the actions they've taken, and that's the root of the issue. I'm not siding with Palestine or Hamas, here. I'm saying everyone's being dicks about it and pursuing war rather than peace, so maybe the rest of the world should just cut off all support for everyone and let them sort it out for themselves on their own.

I do not accept that we should be picking a side in that fight.
 
2012-11-19 02:07:13 PM

Joe Blowme: That and our 2 peoples still loved life more that death, unlike the savages of Hamas Israel and their ilk


Just showing you exactly what you said there.

/Jesus H. F**k tap-dancing on a cracker, people, it is still not okay to call other people savages, animals, or otherwise indicate they are less than human. Did we learn nothing from the past fifty years?
 
2012-11-19 02:10:47 PM

liam76: Interesting. So anything "positive" Israel does it is only because of pressure and can't be traced to s desire for peace?


That would carry more weight if Israel wasn't currently bombing the Gaza Strip.

I don't believe Israel has a real desire for peace because they keep doing things, like that, which prevent it. Retaliation may be justified, but it's absolutely not the path to peace. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" and all that. Someone needs to be the first to stop the violence, and Israel is not trying to do that. If they were to make a serious effort, sure, but they've historically shown themselves to be unwilling to agree to the kinds of compromise necessary to secure any kind of lasting peace.

I'd be open to Israel seeking peace, but you can't seriously be arguing that that's what they're doing, when they're actively bombing as we speak. The only peace they're seeking is through victory, not compromise, right now. That doesn't mean they couldn't change tracks, I'm just describing their current stance. There's nothing inherent or unchangeable about this; it's just how their government is currently behaving.


liam76: You called both sides evil, great. Did you miss where I was calling someoen out on their BS for painting 1 side as "evil" because of the comment of one dude, and ignoring the galring difference in support on both sides for wiping otu the other.


You said that in response to one of my comments, not in response to that someone else. Don't blame me for your own misattribution.
 
2012-11-19 02:12:39 PM
Aaaand I got this photo thumbnail in the sidebar. My nightmares may now begin.

www.csmonitor.com
 
2012-11-19 02:13:51 PM

PsiChick: DROxINxTHExWIND: PsiChick: The only way this will end is if the civilians on both sides start telling their governments in no uncertain terms that it's ceasefire time. I really, really hope that happens soon.

Yeah, how did that work for us anti-war Americans? And WE live in a Democracy.

The Cold War did not turn into a Nuclear Winter Era.

/The reason we did not fire nukes, much like the reason Russia did not fire nukes, was because average people a) would have screamed bloody murder and b) occasionally actively got in the way, such as the occasional military person refusing to give the nessecary votes for firing.
//It's not perfect, and didn't fully work, but this isn't an actual declared war (yet), and enough public pressure can stop at least some of the violence.


It would have done us no good to scream bloody murder with nuclear missles on the way. The reason that the Cold War did not destroy us all was the threat of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The end of the Cold War had little to do with the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.
 
2012-11-19 02:17:44 PM

PsiChick: Joe Blowme: That and our 2 peoples still loved life more that death, unlike the savages of Hamas Israel and their ilk

Just showing you exactly what you said there.

/Jesus H. F**k tap-dancing on a cracker, people, it is still not okay to call other people savages, animals, or otherwise indicate they are less than human. Did we learn nothing from the past fifty years?


PEACE IN OUR TIME!!!
 
2012-11-19 02:34:22 PM

Thorak: liam76: For the record I don't thinkt here is no bul;lying going on in the WB, nor do I support the settlments, but to say that justifeis rocket attacks is absurd.

I don't think anyone's saying it justifies rocket attacks.


Hang out in these threads a little longer, you will.


Thorak: I don't think either side's been justified in the actions they've taken, and that's the root of the issue.


Depends on what actions you are talking about. In my view Israel is 100% justified in striking back when rockets launched at them


Thorak: I'm not siding with Palestine or Hamas, here.


If you are saying Israel can't strick back when rockets are launched, you are.


Thorak:I'm saying everyone's being dicks about it and pursuing war rather than peace, so maybe the rest of the world should just cut off all support for everyone and let them sort it out for themselves on their own.

If hamas spoksmen are to believed Israel did try and ask for a ceasefire, instead of talking with them Mashaal goes public bragging that it was Israel that blinks first.

When Israel pulled out of Gaza and they were treated with rockets, who was being a dick?

I can understand saying cut off support, but if you have studied it you can't hoesntly said both have made equal attempts at peace. Hamas still has removing all the jews from Israel in its charter, and have not even acknowledged its right to exist.


I do not accept that we should be picking a side in that fight.

Fine, don't pick, but don't pretend they are the same.



Thorak: That would carry more weight if Israel wasn't currently bombing the Gaza Strip.


Once again, if you don;t think Israel has the right to respond to Hamas attacks you are choosing a side.

I don't believe Israel has a real desire for peace because they keep doing things, like that, which prevent it. Retaliation may be justified, but it's absolutely not the path to peace. "An eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind" and all that. Someone needs to be the first to stop the violence, and Israel is not trying to do that. If they were to make a serious effort, sure, but they've historically shown themselves to be unwilling to agree to the kinds of compromise necessary to secure any kind of lasting peace.

Rolling over isn't a path to peace either. As I said above, what happned whent hey left Gaza? Whathapepend whent hey asked for a cease fire?

Thorak: You said that in response to one of my comments, not in response to that someone else. Don't blame me for your own misattribution


You know what, my mistake. It was you I first responded to.

You made a judgement on Israel based on one comment. You ignore that only 1 group has elected people that have a platform that calls for removingt he other group completely.
 
2012-11-19 02:34:35 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: It would have done us no good to scream bloody murder with nuclear missles on the way. The reason that the Cold War did not destroy us all was the threat of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The end of the Cold War had little to do with the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.


The first person on this list is a direct counter-example.

Joe Blowme: PEACE IN OUR TIME!!!


...Even if you think Hamas is the reincarnation of Nazi Germany, you still need to pay attention in kindergarten when they teach you not to call people names.
 
2012-11-19 02:43:16 PM

PsiChick: DROxINxTHExWIND: It would have done us no good to scream bloody murder with nuclear missles on the way. The reason that the Cold War did not destroy us all was the threat of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The end of the Cold War had little to do with the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.

The first person on this list is a direct counter-example.


He didn't end the cold war. The threat of him didn't end the cold war.

Near mistakes like what were in that example helped end it.
 
2012-11-19 02:48:37 PM

Head_Shot: Aaaand I got this photo thumbnail in the sidebar. My nightmares may now begin.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]


fear of grizzled old man face?
 
2012-11-19 02:55:57 PM

liam76: PsiChick: DROxINxTHExWIND: It would have done us no good to scream bloody murder with nuclear missles on the way. The reason that the Cold War did not destroy us all was the threat of M.A.D. (Mutually Assured Destruction). The end of the Cold War had little to do with the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.

The first person on this list is a direct counter-example.

He didn't end the cold war. The threat of him didn't end the cold war.

Near mistakes like what were in that example helped end it.


No, he stopped the Cold War from turning into an all-out nuke-fest. What ended the Cold War was the collapse of the Soviet Union; what gave the Soviet Union enough time to safely collapse was the public pressure. That's why I think, for this specific scenario, public pressure would be helpful. It's not a formally-declared war; the region's been fighting for long enough for people to get sick of it; public pressure often causes international pressure; and both countries are republics, which means that at some stage there will at least be some type of election, and while faking election results is possible, it's a pain in the ass and has serious risks.

World events aren't mysterious or spring out of nowhere, and they are possible to counter creatively, or even counter-intuitively. You just have to understand the context and type of the situation.

/Admittedly, my understanding is at Internet Commentator level, but this is Fark, so aren't we all. :p
 
2012-11-19 02:59:57 PM

Uncle Tractor: I_C_Weener: Since 2001, over 8000 rocket attacks.   About the same in mortar attacks.  Reacting to Israel?  Really?

8000 rocket attacks that have caused ...how many israeli deaths? 28?

Meanwhile, over a thousand palestinian children have been killed since then, thousands of palestinian homes demolished, olive trees destroyed, crops ruined and farmland stolen, the colonies keep expanding, WB colonists go on rampages whenever they want, and mossad and the IDF kill whomever they want wherever and however. So yes, they're reacting to Israel.

What's 28 deaths from oversized bottle rockets when compared to that? ...but I suppose it doesn't matter when the victims are arabs.
FWIW I think Hamas should cut it out. They only thing they achieve is to give Israel an excuse to kill more arabs (which somehow makes Hamas look better, so I suppose that's why they keep doing it).

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8000 cases of attempted murder is acceptable?
 
2012-11-19 03:03:25 PM

DROxINxTHExWIND: DROxINxTHExWIND: In Gaza, I think they're favorite James Brown song is "The Big Payback".

That or "Its a Man's World".

/Ok, I'm done now.


Meanwhile in the USA, the Republicans are loving "Funky President (People it's Bad)" while the rest of us groove to the beat of the "Funky Drummer".
 
2012-11-19 03:03:42 PM

PsiChick: No, he stopped the Cold War from turning into an all-out nuke-fest.


True, and maybe I was mistaken, but from drox comment you were implying the cold war ended ebcause people from the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.

PsiChick: What ended the Cold War was the collapse of the Soviet Union; what gave the Soviet Union enough time to safely collapse was the public pressure.


Cold war was on it's way out beforet he collapse. It was still there, but nobbody was really afraid of nukes.

I don't think that had too much to do with public pressure.
 
2012-11-19 03:05:47 PM

wedun: Head_Shot: Aaaand I got this photo thumbnail in the sidebar. My nightmares may now begin.

[www.csmonitor.com image 600x400]

fear of grizzled old man face?


It just reminds me of Mola Ram....who scared the bejeesus out of me when I was a kid,

25.media.tumblr.com
 
2012-11-19 03:07:52 PM

liam76: PsiChick: No, he stopped the Cold War from turning into an all-out nuke-fest.

True, and maybe I was mistaken, but from drox comment you were implying the cold war ended ebcause people from the threat of possibly disobedient soldiers.

PsiChick: What ended the Cold War was the collapse of the Soviet Union; what gave the Soviet Union enough time to safely collapse was the public pressure.

Cold war was on it's way out beforet he collapse. It was still there, but nobbody was really afraid of nukes.

I don't think that had too much to do with public pressure.


Ah. Sorry, I was probably unclear. The Cold War's end was due to the SU collapsing, but if there hadn't been public pressure (remember all that activism in the sixties? A huge part of it was anti-nuke, anti-war activism), as well as the occasional disobedient soldier\person involved in big stuff, there wouldn't have bee enough time for that to happen. From that, we can see that occasionally public pressure functions as a safety valve of sorts, and Israel\Hamas needs pretty much a safety valve right now, far as I can see. It won't solve the root problems, but the immediate conflict will settle down.

/And FFS would both of them stop firing farking rockets at each other once it settles down.
 
2012-11-19 03:19:11 PM

liam76: So you have no defence for your glaring double standards, so you are going to pretend you are tired of hearing about them? Ok.


My "double standards" are the same old strawmen you keep trotting out over and over, each time conveniently "forgetting" that all the previous times I've explained to you that your portrayal old my words and opinions have very little in common with the reality.

It gets old.
 
2012-11-19 03:24:18 PM

Thorak: The facts are, as this article cited, many Israelis don't actually think of Palestinians as "people like us", so they're perfectly okay with "animals" getting killed.

In short; they're evil racist farks. Hamas are also evil racist farks. So in a fight between evil racist farks where it matters not one whit to me or my life which one wins, I have no reason whatsoever to support one or the other. I will simply condemn them both.


THIS
 
2012-11-19 03:31:09 PM

elchupacabra: 8000 cases of attempted murder is acceptable?


No it is not acceptable, but compared with over 1000 death children and all the other shiat that accompanies it, I'd say those 8000+ instances of attempted murder is an irrelevant detail.

Regardless of what you think of the rockets, if you think they're the start and cause of the problems (even though the hasbarahbots will happily make that claim), then you know little or nothing about this conflict. Those rockets aren't coming out of a vacuum.
 
2012-11-19 03:37:43 PM

sweetmelissa31: acanuck: It's OK, folks. He's just citing the Talmud and what's taught regarding ALL non-Jews. But, it's forbidden for you to know that.

Oh f you, he's just one douche bag. As you can see from the article, not everyone thinks that way although it's troubling that some in the Israeli government do. But you're just as bad because you lump all Jews together.


Take a lit/compreshension course, honey.

All inclusive "non" is not all inclusive "Jew". Labeling me, in an ad hominem attack, as bad when all I did was cite Jewish RULEZ as written - got nuthin' else but to misquote me through paraphrasing? Do they also teach you this in Synagogue?

Jews wrote the book, I didn't...I merely cited it, and I am prohibited from knowing its contents because it is PURE RACIST EVIL. The Talmud teaches all gentiles are like beasts, time and time again.

You should be most upset about their license to abuse gentile women, if you were truly not a racist and noble of cause, pure of heart
 
2012-11-19 03:47:44 PM

liam76: The grey are buildings. The brown is mostly open area. Have you never actually looked at a map of Gaza?


The brown open areas are fields and orchards, where adults work and children play.

There is widespread destruction in WB?

House demolition is a brutal tactic used by the Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) in Jerusalem, the West Bank, and the Gaza Strip against Palestinians and Israeli Arabs.

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From October 2001 to December 2005, Israel has demolished 668 homes as punishment, leaving 4,182 people homeless.[34]
Israel has demolished 1,746 homes for alleged military purposes since B'Teselem started keeping statistics in this category in 2004.[35]
According to the United Nations, about 1,500 homes were demolished by the IDF in the Rafah area in the period 2000-2004.[11]

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However, Israel, which is a party to the Fourth Geneva Convention, asserts that the terms of the Convention are not applicable to the Palestinian territories on the grounds that the territories do not constitute a state which is a party to the Fourth Geneva

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According to a report by Amnesty International in 1999, house demolitions are usually done without prior warning and the home's inhabitants are given little time to evacuate.[23]

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The Palestinian village Aqabah, located in the northeastern West Bank, is currently being threatened by demolition orders issued by the Israeli Civil Administration against the entire village.[40]


they go on trial andif found guilty they are punished. Which goes agaisnt your BS claim of at will rampages.

Yeah, they are punished. With a slap on the wrist.

The IDF and police are neither prepared nor willing to provide the necessary protection to Palestinians attacked by violent settlers. Law enforcement agencies display repeated failure to conduct proper investigations of these incidents. When convictions are made, Israeli citizens involved in such violent acts are handed light sentences.
 
2012-11-19 03:51:34 PM

The Larch: More to the point, they keep doing it because it makes Israel look bad.


You mean they're trolling Israel? Yeah, I can see that.

The folks who are funding and supplying the rockets don't seem to care much about the Palestinians; they have their own goals and motivations related to their power struggles in their own countries, and the economic blockades and military retribution by Israel against Gaza helps the actors supplying those rockets to achieve those goals.

I think few of the leaders on either side of that conflict care about the civilians.
 
2012-11-19 04:00:27 PM

Father_Jack: cant someone think of a solution to this never ending problem which would settle this question once and for all? some sort of "never again come up again" kind of solution, like, yknow, a last solution? that doesnt sound catchy tho. anyone help me out here?


March all the Jews into the sea?
 
2012-11-19 04:01:51 PM

Uncle Tractor: 8000 rocket attacks that have caused ...how many israeli deaths? 28?



I didn't say the Palestinians were smart.  I' ve never said that.
 
jvl
2012-11-19 04:12:10 PM
I like how the press quotes casualties only from the start of the current intensification.

Apparently the more-evenly divided casualties preceding the can of whoop-ass Israel opened don't count.
 
jvl
2012-11-19 04:13:37 PM

Lando Lincoln: It's good for taking more land from your enemies. Just ask the Israelis.


So you're basically saying the Palestinians are idiots who still haven't learned that attacking Israel never ends well for the attacker. I agree with that.
 
2012-11-19 04:39:01 PM

Uncle Tractor: The Larch: More to the point, they keep doing it because it makes Israel look bad.

You mean they're trolling Israel? Yeah, I can see that.

The folks who are funding and supplying the rockets don't seem to care much about the Palestinians; they have their own goals and motivations related to their power struggles in their own countries, and the economic blockades and military retribution by Israel against Gaza helps the actors supplying those rockets to achieve those goals.

I think few of the leaders on either side of that conflict care about the civilians.


One of the most important things to remember is that there are more than two sides to the conflict. It's not just Israelis vs Palestinians; nothing in life is ever as simple as that.

I don't have a magic mirror that lets me peer into the minds of men, but my cynical nature leads me to believe that more than a few of the Israeli hawks do not care one damned bit about the rockets, and look at war as a way to achieve personal goals that have nothing at all to do with the security of the Israeli people.

And, I can't peer into the minds of the folks in Iran who are arming and funding the Hamas militants, but my guess is that their reasons for supplying the rockets and training the militants that are goading Israel into armed retaliation are not based on altruistic concern for the Palestinian people.
 
2012-11-19 04:46:02 PM

Uncle Tractor: liam76: So you have no defence for your glaring double standards, so you are going to pretend you are tired of hearing about them? Ok.

My "double standards" are the same old strawmen you keep trotting out over and over, each time conveniently "forgetting" that all the previous times I've explained to you that your portrayal old my words and opinions have very little in common with the reality.

It gets old.


You just judged Israel a filled with enough hate to commit Genocide based on the words of one guy, but Gaza elects a group that has removing all the jews from Israel in its charter, and you are pretending they are the good guys.

Uncle Tractor: liam76: Uncle Tractor: Where in Gaza is not in the middle of a neighborhood filled with children and civilians? the civilians are kinda concentrated there, you know?

The grey are buildings. The brown is mostly open area. Have you never actually looked at a map of Gaza?

The brown open areas are fields and orchards, where adults work and children play.


Adults sometimes work. Children sometimes play. Aren't in the middle of neighborhoods where there are always children and civilians present.

Hamas doesn't attack from there because they value the life of their fighters more than the lives of their own civilians/children.

Uncle Tractor: Liam76: they go on trial and if found guilty they are punished. Which goes against your BS claim of at will rampages.

Yeah, they are punished.


So you admit it was BS that they can rampage at will, great.

Uncle Tractor: With a slap on the wrist.


Israel, doesn't punish people who target civilians enough - bad guys.

Palestine, celebrates people who target civilians - good guys.

And yet you claim to have no double standard.
 
2012-11-19 05:45:58 PM
ISRAEL IS A BUNCH OF NAZI POOPY HEAD RACISTS!!

FREE PALESTINE, BEST COUNTRY IN WORLD!!!
 
2012-11-19 05:58:10 PM

The First Four Katy Perry Albums: ISRAEL IS A BUNCH OF NAZI POOPY HEAD RACISTS!!

FREE PALESTINE, BEST COUNTRY IN WORLD!!!


Israelis are not Nazis. The're just your standard run-of-the-mill right-wing ultra-nationalists who are stuck in an outmoded 19th century view of the world, practicing apartheid and priming themselves for the final genocide of their enemies.

Not that this makes Palestinians good. They're bastards too.
 
2012-11-19 06:22:14 PM

liam76: You just judged Israel a filled with enough hate to commit Genocide based on the words of one guy, but Gaza elects a group that has removing all the jews from Israel in its charter, and you are pretending they are the good guys.


For someone who's so concerned about other people's double standards, your own are pretty glaring. You're condemning others for painting Israelis with too broad a brush, and then claiming all Palestinians hold the views and beliefs of Hamas at their core, every one, because Hamas was elected to their leadership for the first time a whole 5 years ago.

That's the double standard. Those of us who see condemnable acts on both sides are the ones being balanced, dude. You're projecting your own pro-Israeli, anti-Palestinian bias.
 
2012-11-19 06:22:39 PM

The Larch: The First Four Katy Perry Albums: ISRAEL IS A BUNCH OF NAZI POOPY HEAD RACISTS!!

FREE PALESTINE, BEST COUNTRY IN WORLD!!!

Israelis are not Nazis. The're just your standard run-of-the-mill right-wing ultra-nationalists who are stuck in an outmoded 19th century view of the world, practicing apartheid and priming themselves for the final genocide of their enemies.

Not that this makes Palestinians good. They're bastards too.



So vote Likud?
 
2012-11-19 06:31:21 PM

Magorn: Don't feel bad, she didn't either:
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That took far longer than it should've.
 
2012-11-19 07:00:29 PM

The Larch: Israelis are not Nazis. The're just your standard run-of-the-mill right-wing ultra-nationalists who are stuck in an outmoded 19th century view of the world, practicing apartheid and priming themselves for the final genocide of their enemies.


1.bp.blogspot.com

They're not nazis, but the wear similar uniforms.
 
2012-11-19 07:02:37 PM

EyeballKid: Places like this are the reason we need atheist missionaries. I doubt everything could be solved over time by convincing people that their imaginary friend in the sky likely doesn't exist, much less give two shiats about where you park your sedan, but it couldn't hurt.


Well, it will make the Jews and Arabs stop shooting at each other for a while, because they'll be too busy shooting at the atheists.

It's a win-win situation, really.
 
2012-11-19 07:52:53 PM

Amos Quito: So vote Likud?


I have no idea why I have you noted as an antisemitic troll. I bet you're not trolling at all. I bet you actually believe the racist shiat you say.
 
2012-11-19 08:06:03 PM

wedun: The Larch: Israelis are not Nazis. The're just your standard run-of-the-mill right-wing ultra-nationalists who are stuck in an outmoded 19th century view of the world, practicing apartheid and priming themselves for the final genocide of their enemies.

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They're not nazis, but the wear similar uniforms.


Hugo Boss would cockpunch you for saying that.
 
2012-11-19 08:12:01 PM

The Larch: Amos Quito: So vote Likud?

I have no idea why I have you noted as an antisemitic troll. I bet you're not trolling at all. I bet you actually believe the racist shiat you say.



Saying "so vote Likud" is racist???

You sound like a professional victim.

How's business?
 
2012-11-19 08:18:42 PM

wedun: They're not nazis, but the wear similar uniforms.


I honestly don't even understand what that means.

Look, Israel is in a really tough place. The Palestinians who are lobbing rockets are bastards who deserve to be in jail. The external actors who are supplying the militants with rockets are much worse bastards who deserve worse than jail.

And there's a crazy double standard for Israelis vs Palestinians. As a westerner, it's easy for me to complain about Israel being an apartheid state dominated by right-wing ultra-nationalists. But we have to admit Israel is not even on the same plane of existence as the terrible places that surround it. Obviously, any state that mixes its religion in with its politics is practicing a terrible alchemy, but there's absolutely no comparison between Israel's theocratic politicians with (say) Iran's theocratic politicians. Israel's theocrats are a bunch of vile farkwits from the 19th century, just a little more disgusting than the American crop of theocrats, who deserve to be voted out of power. Iran's theocrats are a bunch of first-class evil bastards right out of the middle ages, who deserve a lot worse than a thrashing with a ballot box.

And don't get me started on human rights. Israel is not a bastion of human rights by any means, but even the most downtrodden Palestinian has to recognize that life in Gaza is still preferable to life in a place like Syria. At least some effort is made to afford the rule of law, instead of just wantonly murdering political opponents.
 
2012-11-19 08:26:25 PM
I yet to hear any words of sympathy from the palestinians for the Israeli civilians who have been injured or killed.
 
2012-11-19 09:24:21 PM

phunkey_monkey: I yet to hear any words of sympathy from the palestinians for the Israeli civilians who have been injured or killed.


Which Palestinians have you talked to? Be specific. Name them.
 
2012-11-19 09:25:12 PM

Lando Lincoln: It's good for taking more land from your enemies. Just ask the Israelis.

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About 30 more years and Palestine will be but a memory.


Funny, how the acquisition of that territory always seemed to coincide with the joint effort to obliterate Israel.

/History--learn some and appear less stupid on Fark.
 
2012-11-19 09:28:33 PM

Amos Quito: The Larch: Amos Quito: So vote Likud?

I have no idea why I have you noted as an antisemitic troll. I bet you're not trolling at all. I bet you actually believe the racist shiat you say.


Saying "so vote Likud" is racist???

You sound like a professional victim.

How's business?


I have no idea what you're even talking about. You imagine that I derive my livihood from... being a victim? How would that even work? What kind of messed up imaginary world do you even live in where you think "professional victim" is a thing? Who do you imagine I sell my victim services to? What value do you imagine my customers might find in it?
 
2012-11-19 10:19:49 PM
When two tribes go to war, a point is all that you can score.
 
2012-11-19 10:53:43 PM

acanuck: Jews wrote the book, I didn't...I merely cited it, and I am prohibited from knowing its contents because it is PURE RACIST EVIL. The Talmud teaches all gentiles are like beasts, time and time again.


Well, it's nice that you mixed one truthful statement into what was otherwise a stream of lies.
 
2012-11-20 01:11:12 AM
The Talmud translated into English, for reference.

And debunking sites for whatever bigoted lies acanuck is peddling (picked up from wikipedia) 1, 2, 3
 
2012-11-20 04:20:39 AM
Remember Constantinople.
 
2012-11-20 05:17:15 AM

liam76: And yet you claim to have no double standard.


Have fun playing with your strawman.
 
2012-11-20 07:19:06 AM
Far as I can figure out Israel was awarded some land. Palestine was the indigenous people on that land. It's the classic US vs. the natives. Sorry, but the natives lost and so will Palestine. When NATO recognizes your competitor, you're done. End of story. All the cries of it's not fair don't matter. You were conquered.

It's like some polite white guy moving in next to some uppity negro that thinks he owns the block 'cus he had a big ego and doesn't recognize change or power. The irrational and lower life form tribesman will fight you perpetually. You have to slit his throat, his wife's and his kid's. Without civilization enough to divorce yourself from untenable pride (ethnicity, religion, land, etc.) in the face of your superior, you have left your superior no option.

Now if you're Israel you recognize that a good fraction of the population will want to be civil about it. Incorporate everyone who recognizes your status genuinely; feed them; protect them; make them your own. Make the distinction clear that you join reality or you will be removed from it.
 
2012-11-20 07:33:57 AM

Uncle Tractor: liam76: Uncle Tractor: With a slap on the wrist.

Israel, doesn't punish people who target civilians enough - bad guys.

Palestine, celebrates people who target civilians - good guys.

And yet you claim to have no double standard

Have fun playing with your strawman.


Where is the strawman?
 
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