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(Christian Science Monitor)   As the violence in their country escalates, ordinary Israelis ponder the question famously posed by Leo Tolstoy: "War. What is it good for?"   (csmonitor.com) divider line 215
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2012-11-19 09:53:04 AM  
FTFA: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people," he says, pulling at his new wedding ring as he stood outside the damaged apartment yesterday. "It's the right thing to do."

It's OK, folks. He's just citing the Talmud and what's taught regarding ALL non-Jews. But, it's forbidden for you to know that.
 
2012-11-19 10:10:26 AM  
Good god y'all.
 
2012-11-19 10:21:56 AM  
"If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar
 
2012-11-19 10:26:39 AM  
Social engineering at its very finest.
 
2012-11-19 10:52:50 AM  
It IS a great tool for ethnic cleansing.
 
2012-11-19 10:54:08 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar


Israel should change it's name to "Irony".
 
2012-11-19 10:54:27 AM  
In Gaza, I think they're favorite James Brown song is "The Big Payback".
 
2012-11-19 10:54:46 AM  
Absolutely Nothing, say it again!
 
2012-11-19 10:56:06 AM  

DROxINxTHExWIND: In Gaza, I think they're favorite James Brown song is "The Big Payback".


That or "Its a Man's World".

/Ok, I'm done now.
 
2012-11-19 10:56:50 AM  
Took notes, did ya?
 
2012-11-19 10:57:13 AM  
Rush Hour hits Israel.
 
2012-11-19 10:57:22 AM  

Cewley: Good god y'all.


It's Israel, you have to say "Good G-d, y'all"
 
2012-11-19 10:59:28 AM  
How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.
 
2012-11-19 10:59:37 AM  

acanuck: FTFA: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people," he says, pulling at his new wedding ring as he stood outside the damaged apartment yesterday. "It's the right thing to do."

It's OK, folks. He's just citing the Talmud and what's taught regarding ALL non-Jews. But, it's forbidden for you to know that.



He might just be quoting the, "YOU FIRED ON ME?  Fark you and all y'all" instead of something religious.
 
2012-11-19 11:00:34 AM  

acanuck: FTFA: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people," he says, pulling at his new wedding ring as he stood outside the damaged apartment yesterday. "It's the right thing to do."

It's OK, folks. He's just citing the Talmud and what's taught regarding ALL non-Jews. But, it's forbidden for you to know that.


Tribes acting tribal is not exactly news.

Contemplating further Lebensraum and "final solutions"? Comedy gold.
 
2012-11-19 11:00:44 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar


cant someone think of a solution to this never ending problem which would settle this question once and for all? some sort of "never again come up again" kind of solution, like, yknow, a last solution? that doesnt sound catchy tho. anyone help me out here?
 
2012-11-19 11:00:47 AM  
"If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people"

And that, in a nutshell, is why this issue is at best evil farks shooting at other marginally different evil farks. And the real problem is that plenty of innocents on either side are the ones doing the dying.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:06 AM  
If i lived in Israel, my question would more be along the lines of "why has this dumb shiat been going on so long, and why don't we either just roll over Hamas, or make a equitable peace plan where both sides are happy? Either way, this dumb shiat has gone on long enough.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:39 AM  

MaudlinMutantMollusk: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar


Yet what exactly have the Palestinians done to make him think anything else?

Sure, there are a lot of people in the Gaza region trying to get along with daily life, make homes, raise children, and would rather that people simply stop shooting at each other. But those people are never seen on TV unless one of them happens to live next to a Hamas target and took a chunk of flying concrete and now lays dying on the ground.

It's easy to blame the Israelis because they are supposed to be "better" than the militants and not resort to violence, but what does that say about the militants and those that support them? What about the majority of the population that elected the militants to speak for them? Are they lesser people? Barbarians?

If so, does it mean that like it or not, he's right?

I'll say it again: Gaza was better off under Israeli control.
 
2012-11-19 11:01:54 AM  
I heard he wanted to name his book that but his mistress didn't like it and insisted he change it to the title we know today.
 
2012-11-19 11:02:45 AM  

Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.


You send my civilians to the hospital, I send your civilians to the morgue. That's the Israel way.
 
2012-11-19 11:02:55 AM  

acanuck: FTFA: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people," he says, pulling at his new wedding ring as he stood outside the damaged apartment yesterday. "It's the right thing to do.".


Israel: Jewish Problems - German Solutions
 
2012-11-19 11:02:56 AM  
It's almost as if Gaza is a camp where they concentrated all the sub-humans.
 
2012-11-19 11:03:07 AM  
I'd like to paraphrase another song:

"there ain't no good guys."
 
2012-11-19 11:03:42 AM  

Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.


Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face. Congrats, you're both beating on crippled women. That totally solves the problem.
 
2012-11-19 11:03:59 AM  

TheOther: Israel: Jewish Problems - German Solutions


I am going to steal that. I'll try to give you credit, TheOther.
 
2012-11-19 11:04:04 AM  

Arkanaut: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

You send my civilians to the hospital, I send your civilians to the morgue. That's the Israel way.


Problem is only one side is targeting civilians.... but by alll means dont let that get in the way of your derp
 
2012-11-19 11:04:53 AM  
Friend only to the undertaker.

I didn't know Leo Tolstoy was Edwin Starr's pen name.
 
2012-11-19 11:05:10 AM  

Thorak: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face. Congrats, you're both beating on crippled women. That totally solves the problem.


Problem is only one side is targeting civilians.... but by alll means dont let that get in the way of your derp
 
2012-11-19 11:05:47 AM  
We gotta get outta this place
If its the last thing we ever do
We gotta get outta this place
Girl, there's a better life for me and you...
 
2012-11-19 11:05:50 AM  
what is it good for? For Israelis...


Keeps most exploding rockets out of your living room, with new surround sound.

And keeps suicide bombers at bay. Less exploding grocery stores.

And when you leave on vacation, you don't have too worry very much about a Milan or Kornet anti tank missile slamming into your car.
 
2012-11-19 11:06:15 AM  
Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.
 
2012-11-19 11:06:15 AM  

Father_Jack: MaudlinMutantMollusk: "If you ask me, I think we have to destroy Gaza. I think they are animals, not people,"

That sounds strangely familiar

cant someone think of a solution to this never ending problem which would settle this question once and for all? some sort of "never again come up again" kind of solution, like, yknow, a last solution? that doesnt sound catchy tho. anyone help me out here?


Make petrol obsolete.

Ok it won't stop the problem but there will a lot less reasons for anyone in the world to funnel in money and weapons to the middle east.
 
2012-11-19 11:06:31 AM  

Father_Jack: cant someone think of a solution to this never ending problem which would settle this question once and for all? some sort of "never again come up again" kind of solution, like, yknow, a last solution? that doesnt sound catchy tho. anyone help me out here?


Here's my "final solution:"

1: The palestinians accept that the two-state solution is dead. There is not going to be a Palestine. IOW; they are de facto israelis.
2: The israelis give the palestinians full rights as israeli citizens, including the right to vote and run for office.

Yes, this means giving up the "jewish state." Yes, the terrorism will continue.

/yes, i know i've posted this a few times already
 
2012-11-19 11:07:08 AM  

Cewley: Good god y'all.


Woah-oh-oh -oh -oh oh oh .
 
2012-11-19 11:07:10 AM  

PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.


No, the 130+ rockets shot at civilians started it... this time.
 
2012-11-19 11:09:00 AM  

Thorak: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face.

And then raping her for good measure and not even have the courtesy to call a cab....
 
2012-11-19 11:09:05 AM  

hdhale: It's easy to blame the Israelis because they are supposed to be "better" than the militants and not resort to violence, but what does that say about the militants and those that support them? What about the majority of the population that elected the militants to speak for them? Are they lesser people? Barbarians?


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/what about the majority of israelis that vote for the likes of netanyahu ...?
 
2012-11-19 11:10:02 AM  

Uncle Tractor: Father_Jack: cant someone think of a solution to this never ending problem which would settle this question once and for all? some sort of "never again come up again" kind of solution, like, yknow, a last solution? that doesnt sound catchy tho. anyone help me out here?

Here's my "final solution:"

1: The palestinians accept that the two-state solution is dead. There is not going to be a Palestine. IOW; they are de facto israelis.
2: The israelis give the palestinians full rights as israeli citizens, including the right to vote and run for office.

Yes, this means giving up the "jewish state." Yes, the terrorism will continue.

/yes, i know i've posted this a few times already


/yes, because if anything, Islamic fundies are known for their reason and capability to accept change and are totally open to the "give and take" style of agreements.
 
2012-11-19 11:10:09 AM  

Thorak: Joe Blowme: How about self defense? Random rocket attacks on your civilian populace tends to produce war.

Responding with random rocket attacks on THEIR civilian populace means you don't actually have an issue with their method, and have no claim whatsoever to any moral superiority.

It's the equivalent to seeing a guy punch your wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face, so you punch HIS wheelchair-bound girlfriend in the face. Congrats, you're both beating on crippled women. That totally solves the problem.


Except that it's more like the guy is hiding behind his wheelchair bound girlfriend taking pokes at your wheelchair bound girlfriend hoping you'll try to punch back, so he can point a finger and claim you are no better than he is, when clearly he isn't.

Worse, your wheelchair bound girlfriend looks at you and pleads for you to stop him and no one in the crowd watching offers to help.

Fark, the crowd is convinced you are no better than the other guy looks at you with a disapproving eye every time you try to punch him. Occasionally, one them makes noises like they are going to punch you.
 
2012-11-19 11:10:13 AM  

PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.



Um.  No.  8000 rockets fired into Isarael in 4 years.  One particularly bad hit last week killed 3 Israelies.  Israel got pissed.  Targeted HAMAS leadership.  And is not targeting HAMAS leadership's contacts and safe houses and rocket deployment stations (you know the ones in the playgrounds).
 
2012-11-19 11:13:35 AM  

Joe Blowme: PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.

No, the 130+ rockets shot at civilians started it... this time.


Which was a reaction to the assassination no doubt...
 
2012-11-19 11:14:32 AM  

Uncle Tractor: hdhale: It's easy to blame the Israelis because they are supposed to be "better" than the militants and not resort to violence, but what does that say about the militants and those that support them? What about the majority of the population that elected the militants to speak for them? Are they lesser people? Barbarians?

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/what about the majority of israelis that vote for the likes of netanyahu ...?


Take care around this Farker. Mad Cow disease has taken hold.
 
2012-11-19 11:15:50 AM  

DrBear: Friend only to the undertaker.

I didn't know Leo Tolstoy was Edwin Starr's pen name.


Don't feel bad, she didn't either:
bookriot.com
 
2012-11-19 11:16:57 AM  

I_C_Weener: Um.  No.  8000 rockets fired into Isarael in 4 years.  One particularly bad hit last week killed 3 Israelies.  Israel got pissed.  Targeted HAMAS leadership.  And is not targeting HAMAS leadership's contacts and safe houses and rocket deployment stations (you know the ones in the playgrounds).


Yet still cause 50+ civiliatn casualties and 100+ wounded. So let me ask again: How is the violence working out? Have they stopped lobbing rockets? Did it stop them from being militant and aggressive? Maybe if you bombed them a little more.

And isn't Israel almost impervious to rockets, with their Irondome systems? That apparently is the story I'm reading.
 
2012-11-19 11:18:50 AM  
There are wars where one feels no compassion for the other side.

And there are wars where the compassion for the ordinary people of boths side is so overwhelming. And you get to blame democracy because that's about all you can manage to blame.
 
2012-11-19 11:20:19 AM  
The facts are.

1. Hamas fires unguided rockets at Israel, not really caring if they blow up innocent civilians.
2. Israel uses high tech guided munitions to try to stop the rocket attacks, but due to civilian proximity, sadly there are civilian deaths.
3. Hamas parades around with killed children saying "LOOK what the Zionists did!!" while they wail and gnash their teeth, even though they invited the strikes due to fighting from civilian areas.
4. Hamas fights from civilian buildings, inviting fire that could injure or kill non combatants.
5. Hamas gets more rockets from Iran, and has a early fourth of july, screaming "god is great" while praying that the rockets land on some person's house, killing their family.
6. Israel does more guided strikes,
7. Ad nauseum.
It's never going to stop. Hamas and the Palestinians want Jerusalem, and the Israelis wont give it up. So they are going to continue to snipe at one another until Israel gets pissed off enough to roll in the tanks and start chumming up houses until gaza looks like a smoking crater.
 
2012-11-19 11:20:24 AM  

iserlohn: Joe Blowme: PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.

No, the 130+ rockets shot at civilians started it... this time.

Which was a reaction to the assassination no doubt...


Well, that seems like a really reasonable response, doesn't it?
 
2012-11-19 11:21:01 AM  
War.

War never changes.
 
2012-11-19 11:21:51 AM  

iserlohn: Joe Blowme: PandaPorn: Didn't this bullshiat start when Israel assassinated a Hamas leader? Did that work out? Did Hamas give up? Because that would totally make everything worth it.

No, the 130+ rockets shot at civilians started it... this time.

Which was a reaction to the assassination no doubt...


do they have unicorns in your imaginary world too?
 
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